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(Miami Herald)   Now that smoking has been banned in public places, restaurants, and bars, the time has come to ban smoking in apartment buildings   (miamiherald.com) divider line 119
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2014-01-09 08:32:00 PM
Yep, sticking it to the poor again. 'Affordable housing' bans smoking inside one's own apartment. Gestapo I tell you.
 
2014-01-09 08:46:50 PM

feckingmorons: Yep, sticking it to the poor again. 'Affordable housing' bans smoking inside one's own apartment. Gestapo I tell you.


It's a trend that seems to have been picking up in non-subsidized housing as well, unfortunately.  On one hand the landlords should have certain rights over their properties, but on the other the tenants should have rights of their own.

In general I'm against the banning of practices that would otherwise be legal.  They could always just charge an extra deposit for smokers like they do for pet owners.
 
2014-01-09 09:09:28 PM
This anti-smoking crusade is getting a little too much mileage out of flawed second-hand smoke studies.  An individual smoker with limited means is such an easy target.  There are other, more poisonous causes and environments to which we are regularly exposed, but those battles are harder even though there's more credible studies to prove the dangers.

/not a smoker, never was, most of family smoked
//lived right off freeways, worked in large buildings with bad filters, allergic to cats
///no cancer yet
////knock on wood
//extreme slashies
 
2014-01-09 11:28:07 PM
Say's Law!
 
2014-01-10 12:05:04 AM
But how will I make my delicious beef jerky now?
 
2014-01-10 12:05:28 AM
Its been true for most apartments for years around here.
 
2014-01-10 12:17:22 AM
Translation: we still want the tax money, so we don't dare ban tobacco completely

/which is really the goal of all these laws
//but... the money...
 
2014-01-10 12:31:48 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Translation: we still want the tax money, so we don't dare ban tobacco completely

/which is really the goal of all these laws
//but... the money...


The complex in the article banned it inside the apartments AND on the grounds. So these people who probably can't afford to tell the to piss off and just move somewhere else can't even enjoy a cigarette without going outside and walking to the end of the block and standing on a public sidewalk.

These people who certainly can't afford to jet off on a vacation on the islands get little pleasure out of life and if they want to have a smoke why should we stop them. It is perfectly legal and I'm sure they know it may not be the healthiest thing, but they should be allowed to live their own lives.

But, they're poor so screw them. The rich smart people know what is best for them.

/I don't smoke, never have
 
2014-01-10 12:37:13 AM

feckingmorons: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Translation: we still want the tax money, so we don't dare ban tobacco completely

/which is really the goal of all these laws
//but... the money...

The complex in the article banned it inside the apartments AND on the grounds. So these people who probably can't afford to tell the to piss off and just move somewhere else can't even enjoy a cigarette without going outside and walking to the end of the block and standing on a public sidewalk.

These people who certainly can't afford to jet off on a vacation on the islands get little pleasure out of life and if they want to have a smoke why should we stop them. It is perfectly legal and I'm sure they know it may not be the healthiest thing, but they should be allowed to live their own lives.

But, they're poor so screw them. The rich smart people know what is best for them.

/I don't smoke, never have


I'm with you on this one; it's getting ridiculous

/What I personally find a bit ironic is that I quit smoking because I couldn't afford cigarettes
//preferred food
 
2014-01-10 01:20:43 AM
ugh i disagree with such bans despite them being legal.

I do wonder at times if there would be any legal recourse to fight such a ban.  I know it would be an uphill battle no matter what.
 
2014-01-10 01:25:08 AM
Why can't they just chew a stick of gum?
 
2014-01-10 01:26:06 AM
Okay.
 
2014-01-10 01:26:17 AM

grimlock1972: ugh i disagree with such bans despite them being legal.

I do wonder at times if there would be any legal recourse to fight such a ban.  I know it would be an uphill battle no matter what.


Wait until pot is legal and blaze 24/7 for medicinal purposes.
 
2014-01-10 01:27:01 AM
Private property owners should be able to decide whether or not their business or residential properties are smoking or non.   If the owners of a property ban smoking, tough crap.  Its unfortunate that the government has taken away commercial property owners' rights to decide for themselves.

I havent smoked in 7 months, but i never fought a landlord on the smoking issue. Its his or her property.
 
2014-01-10 01:28:24 AM
Depends on the ventilation systems. The dorms I used to supervise, smells traveled easily up the columns of rooms because that's how the vent patterns ran and they used the cheapest systems possible so there was no odor (or sound) baffling. So I can understand banning smoking. One resident's dirty habit shouldn't stink up another's nose, furniture, and clothes.

Dealing with curry or fish cooking was always a fun issue too.
 
2014-01-10 01:30:04 AM
The last three leases I signed were in very nice communities, one apartment and two townhouses, in the nicest parts of town. No subsidized housing by a long shot. All of them had clauses in the lease contracts which forbade smoking anywhere on the property. One just left it at 'no smoking on the property', while two of them contained a blurb about by virtue of the smoking prohibition, insurance rates are lower for the property owner and therefore there are representative savings in the cost of rent.
 
2014-01-10 01:30:06 AM

TuteTibiImperes: feckingmorons: Yep, sticking it to the poor again. 'Affordable housing' bans smoking inside one's own apartment. Gestapo I tell you.

It's a trend that seems to have been picking up in non-subsidized housing as well, unfortunately.  On one hand the landlords should have certain rights over their properties, but on the other the tenants should have rights of their own.


Bingo!  When you sign a lease, you are renting someone else's property. It is not yours to do with as you wish, and they do legally have a right to tell you what you can and cannot do to some degree.

While the notion of demanding a "smoking deposit" seems reasonable, it might have to be quite large to cover the damage; I've been in places were people apparently smoked for years and the only way you're going to get the smell out is to strip it to the bare studs and tear up the carpet.  That's expensive.

/former smoker
//always left a window cracked, so my place never smelled like the inside of an ashtray.
 
2014-01-10 01:31:48 AM
I once rented a flat that had been divided into two apartments.  The guy next door smoked, and our apartments shared some vents so it got pretty smoky in my place.  I'm allergic, history of bronchitis, etc. I knocked on his door and asked nicely if he wouldn't mind opening a window or smoking further away from the vent.  No problem.

It's amazing how people can get along when they're not dicks.
 
2014-01-10 01:33:18 AM
This is a reasonable measure to control the cost of health care.
 
2014-01-10 01:39:33 AM
I still wonder why the *fark*, in this day and age, do people *start* smoking? It reeks, it does disgusting things your lungs, teeth, mouth and so on, and it hasn't looked 'Cool' for at least twenty years..
 
2014-01-10 01:43:40 AM
The complex I live in has a designated building that allows smoking inside the units, which I think makes sense, but is still not quite perfect; state law here bans smoking within a certain distance of entrances to public places and places of employment, but apparently entrances to residential buildings are not covered.  Some smokers live right next to the entrance to my building (not the designated smoking building) and have their little smoking area set up on the patio just a few feet away.  If they could move it ten feet to their other patio, then people wouldn't have to walk through their smoke and it wouldn't get into the building, but no.
 
2014-01-10 01:48:52 AM

LordJiro: I still wonder why the *fark*, in this day and age, do people *start* smoking? It reeks, it does disgusting things your lungs, teeth, mouth and so on, and it hasn't looked 'Cool' for at least twenty years..


Incidentally, I'm not saying it should be banned. If you want to kill yourself with cancer-sticks, fine. But sweet Jesus, I wish you would stay out of the way so we non-smokers don't have to smell it, second-hand smoke issues or no.
 
2014-01-10 01:51:38 AM
The day they invent a Vaporizer that doesn't look like one of your kids' toys is the day most adult smokers quit.

LordJiro: I still wonder why the *fark*, in this day and age, do people *start* smoking? It reeks, it does disgusting things your lungs, teeth, mouth and so on, and it hasn't looked 'Cool' for at least twenty years..


It's something to do when you can't hold a drink in your hand. Fills in those little lulls in conversation, something to do with your hand, someone usually has one if you forget, and so on. And cool is all in the group, the art and music scenes certainly never stopped smoking. If anything, they've doubled down the past ten years.
 
2014-01-10 01:53:35 AM
Having seen the damage heavy smokers can do on even a six-month lease, I am surprised more rental properties don't already ban it.

Worst I ever encountered was on a year lease by a couple who smoked: Imagine white walls turned a snot brown and yellow, and ductwork so gummed up with smoke residue that they had to be torn out and replaced because running the heat or air just made the apartment smell like cigarette smoke.

The smoke residue was so bad and pervasive that washing walls, priming them in several coats of odor block paint, and replacing nearly everything else like carpet, pad, outlets, and microwave still didn't get rid of the smell entirely. After the next tenants complained despite the effort put into cleaning it I finally convinced the owners that a complete tear-out was the only fix. Even the friggen insulation in the walls reeked of the cigarette smoke 4 months after those people moved out. Had to document every step for the charges we billed to the smoking tenants, as they were the first to occupy what was a brand new unit when they moved in.
 
2014-01-10 01:53:39 AM
I wish my apartments were non-smoking. My next-door neighbor smokes so heavily that I can smell it in my own farking apartment. It constantly reeks in the common area. The common area smelling of cigarettes I can handle - dude needs to open his door once in a while. But, smelling it in my own farking home? Fark you, dude.

/recovering smoker
//seriously, fark that guy.
///I hate him
////and he's really nice
 
2014-01-10 01:55:01 AM
I similarly was shocked to find that I couldn't spray the inside of my apartment with coyote urine.

Genuinely I think it shouldn't be a legal ban, simply a restriction available to property owners. "Within x feet of the front door to someone else's house" yeah, that's properly in the vein of "don't throw crap at other people."
 
2014-01-10 01:59:49 AM

GoldSpider: This is a reasonable measure to control the cost of health care.


And there's the rub; once the government completely takes over health care, they will take away our right to do anything that has even a remote chance of being bad for our health (except dying in foreign countries for oil company profits, of course). In the land of the free.
 
2014-01-10 02:02:57 AM
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Had to "tolerate" a neighbor's heavy second-hand smoke years ago. (Glad i don't live near any smokers these days...)
 
2014-01-10 02:08:39 AM
I wonder how ole Mitzy would feel about a ban on sandwiches.

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2014-01-10 02:09:08 AM
it's always better to own than rent.
 
2014-01-10 02:10:11 AM

brimed03: Depends on the ventilation systems. The dorms I used to supervise, smells traveled easily up the columns of rooms because that's how the vent patterns ran and they used the cheapest systems possible so there was no odor (or sound) baffling. So I can understand banning smoking. One resident's dirty habit shouldn't stink up another's nose, furniture, and clothes.  Dealing with curry or fish cooking was always a fun issue too.


You don't even need to have a shared ventilation system.  Most of the apartments I've ever lived in had had crappy air seals between units.  I could always tell when a neighbor was cooking something exotic or when they were hitting the bong.

This would be less of an issue if apartments were required to have real walls between units.  I should be able to have a senior next door who turns the TV to 11 while watching Jeopardy and I shouldn't be able to hear.
 
2014-01-10 02:16:14 AM
Smoking Bandit to the rescue! Sh-sh-ah!
 
2014-01-10 02:37:41 AM
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2014-01-10 02:38:49 AM
www.rawstory.com
 
2014-01-10 02:47:13 AM
Foeget about health concerns. The stench is all the reason you need to support such a ban.
 
2014-01-10 02:55:03 AM
Don't you people realize that smokers by definition want to smoke, and therefore that is the only reason that should ever be necessary to allow anyone to constantly incinerate this unbelievable potpourri of harmful and repulsive chemicals in everyone else's personal living space?
 
2014-01-10 02:58:48 AM
Pot smokers will just switch to edibles or using filters.

//suck it, nicotine suckers
 
2014-01-10 02:58:51 AM

Dwight_Yeast: TuteTibiImperes: feckingmorons: Yep, sticking it to the poor again. 'Affordable housing' bans smoking inside one's own apartment. Gestapo I tell you.

It's a trend that seems to have been picking up in non-subsidized housing as well, unfortunately.  On one hand the landlords should have certain rights over their properties, but on the other the tenants should have rights of their own.

Bingo!  When you sign a lease, you are renting someone else's property. It is not yours to do with as you wish, and they do legally have a right to tell you what you can and cannot do to some degree.

While the notion of demanding a "smoking deposit" seems reasonable, it might have to be quite large to cover the damage; I've been in places were people apparently smoked for years and the only way you're going to get the smell out is to strip it to the bare studs and tear up the carpet.  That's expensive.

/former smoker
//always left a window cracked, so my place never smelled like the inside of an ashtray.


Yeah! You guys are right!

A PRIVATE property owner should also get to refuse children, pregnant women, and any race they want. After all: it's PRIVATE.

I'll bet $5 neither of you have studied law... or much else.
 
2014-01-10 03:00:18 AM

Dwight_Yeast: so my place never smelled like the inside of an ashtray.


Not to you, at least.
 
2014-01-10 03:13:22 AM

LordJiro: I still wonder why the *fark*, in this day and age, do people *start* smoking? It reeks, it does disgusting things your lungs, teeth, mouth and so on, and it hasn't looked 'Cool' for at least twenty years..


A lot of them start young,  in their teens (when you're most likely to do dumb shiate),  then you're hooked.

DrPainMD: GoldSpider: This is a reasonable measure to control the cost of health care.

And there's the rub; once the government completely takes over health care, they will take away our right to do anything that has even a remote chance of being bad for our health (except dying in foreign countries for oil company profits, of course). In the land of the free.


I see this arguement in every smoking thread and it's just not true.  Show me a place that has government provided health care that has banned smoking because of their health care costs.  It's certainly not banned in Canada,  or the UK as far as I know.
 
2014-01-10 03:15:10 AM
Next on the agenda: firearms
 
2014-01-10 03:17:05 AM

Ready-set: Dwight_Yeast: TuteTibiImperes: feckingmorons: Yep, sticking it to the poor again. 'Affordable housing' bans smoking inside one's own apartment. Gestapo I tell you.

It's a trend that seems to have been picking up in non-subsidized housing as well, unfortunately.  On one hand the landlords should have certain rights over their properties, but on the other the tenants should have rights of their own.

Bingo!  When you sign a lease, you are renting someone else's property. It is not yours to do with as you wish, and they do legally have a right to tell you what you can and cannot do to some degree.

While the notion of demanding a "smoking deposit" seems reasonable, it might have to be quite large to cover the damage; I've been in places were people apparently smoked for years and the only way you're going to get the smell out is to strip it to the bare studs and tear up the carpet.  That's expensive.

/former smoker
//always left a window cracked, so my place never smelled like the inside of an ashtray.

Yeah! You guys are right!

A PRIVATE property owner should also get to refuse children, pregnant women, and any race they want. After all: it's PRIVATE.

I'll bet $5 neither of you have studied law... or much else.


Yes, because who lives on a property is equivalent to what tenants do on a property.  Protip:  being a smoker isn't the same as being black.  I'll bet $5 you have no farking clue what you're talking about.
 
2014-01-10 03:38:59 AM

Dwight_Yeast: TuteTibiImperes: feckingmorons: Yep, sticking it to the poor again. 'Affordable housing' bans smoking inside one's own apartment. Gestapo I tell you.

It's a trend that seems to have been picking up in non-subsidized housing as well, unfortunately.  On one hand the landlords should have certain rights over their properties, but on the other the tenants should have rights of their own.

Bingo!  When you sign a lease, you are renting someone else's property. It is not yours to do with as you wish, and they do legally have a right to tell you what you can and cannot do to some degree.

While the notion of demanding a "smoking deposit" seems reasonable, it might have to be quite large to cover the damage; I've been in places were people apparently smoked for years and the only way you're going to get the smell out is to strip it to the bare studs and tear up the carpet.  That's expensive.

/former smoker
//always left a window cracked, so my place never smelled like the inside of an ashtray.


Hahaha another smoker who thinks his shut don't stink. You probably think being outdoors makes it all magically go away too while you lnow smoke in my face while I'm trying to eat on a patio don't you?
 
2014-01-10 03:40:18 AM

Ready-set: A PRIVATE property owner should also get to refuse children, pregnant women, and any race they want. After all: it's PRIVATE.

I'll bet $5 neither of you have studied law... or much else.


You may want to do a little research yourself on what a protected class is. Smokers aren't a protected class, so they are fair game if someone doesn't want them living in their rental property, same as pet owners.
 
2014-01-10 03:41:58 AM
Every lease I've ever had on a rental place has prohibited smoking indoors.. 7 places over 15+ years. Not sure why this is shocking or outrageous.
 
2014-01-10 03:59:52 AM

Ready-set: Dwight_Yeast: TuteTibiImperes: feckingmorons: Yep, sticking it to the poor again. 'Affordable housing' bans smoking inside one's own apartment. Gestapo I tell you.

It's a trend that seems to have been picking up in non-subsidized housing as well, unfortunately.  On one hand the landlords should have certain rights over their properties, but on the other the tenants should have rights of their own.

Bingo!  When you sign a lease, you are renting someone else's property. It is not yours to do with as you wish, and they do legally have a right to tell you what you can and cannot do to some degree.

While the notion of demanding a "smoking deposit" seems reasonable, it might have to be quite large to cover the damage; I've been in places were people apparently smoked for years and the only way you're going to get the smell out is to strip it to the bare studs and tear up the carpet.  That's expensive.

/former smoker
//always left a window cracked, so my place never smelled like the inside of an ashtray.

Yeah! You guys are right!

A PRIVATE property owner should also get to refuse children, pregnant women, and any race they want. After all: it's PRIVATE.

I'll bet $5 neither of you have studied law... or much else.


and where is you FARK law degree?

Seriously, stuff it before you make yourself seem even dumber
 
2014-01-10 04:07:58 AM

msupf: A PRIVATE property owner should also get to refuse children, pregnant women, and any race they want. After all: it's PRIVATE.

I'll bet $5 neither of you have studied law... or much else.

and where is you FARK law degree?

Seriously, stuff it before you make yourself seem even dumber



Apparently they are handing our GEDs in Law in Cracker Jack boxes now.
 
2014-01-10 04:35:42 AM
What if when they make pot legal in Florida.. a person "takes" their "medication" in the apartment?  Smoking is smoking.
 
2014-01-10 05:27:45 AM
You know who ELSE hated smoking?
 
2014-01-10 05:41:14 AM
Property owners should be able to decide that.

Smokers aren't a protected class.

It smells horrible and it causes me headaches and full blown migraines sometimes.

I have a friend who says "it should be my FREEDOM to smoke!" and after a while of listening to him biatching I told him: "Yes, and it is. No one is telling you that you can't. People that own buildings are telling you that you can't on their property, and the majority of the population are telling you that you can't in any place deemed to be open to the public via voting. Tell me where your right to smoke and fill the air with that stank and make my clothes smell my shiat supersedes my right to breathe clean air."

He shut up.

I couldn't care less if he smokes, or anyone smokes. Just keep the smoke out of my airspace, and I'll kindly not fill yours with my biatchy noise pollution. If I own a property: tough shiat. I own it, and you're not allowed to inherently cause damage to it from your habit. Go outside. Also, stop throwing your damn cigarette butts on the ground. It's straight up littering, you assholes. I can't tell you how much it pissed me off when another one of my friends told me that I need to have a coffee can with sand or something outside for the smokers to put their cigarettes out in so they don't have to throw it in my yard. Are you farking kidding me? Put the damn thing out on your shoe and walk 10 steps to the trashcan. THERE'S your ashtray.

Dicks.
 
2014-01-10 05:56:58 AM
Good and I'll be especially glad when the government starts looking at other air polluting crap like frying meat or using spray based personal scents.  You don't realize how bad either of them are until you get away from them for a while, absolutely vile.  As the owner of a few buildings I am preparing to ban those activities myself, its high time we get that ball rolling.  Don't get me started on pets either, I hear one noise complaint about a dog barking at any hour or a cat doing its feral dance and its eviction time.
 
2014-01-10 06:00:32 AM
fark cigarette smokers.

biggest a holes on the planet.

oh yea, not you mr/mrs perfectly considerate smoker who doesnt exist.

it stinks inside, it stinks outside, its annoying, and fark you.

i should never have to tolerate someone elses cigarette smoke.  period.

ban it everywhere and shoot on site.
 
2014-01-10 06:14:12 AM

Hyggelig: I wonder how ole Mitzy would feel about a ban on sandwiches.

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You can't do that. Lard-asses are a protected class.
 
2014-01-10 06:51:32 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: Pot smokers will just switch to edibles or using filters.

//suck it, nicotine suckers


You mean like e-cigs ? Dumbass. Ya the same assholes who don't want people smoking because it smells and don't want smoke etc are banning them to. So it has nothing to do with smell or health anymore it's all about imposing their will.

E-cig don't smell like smoke and don't dissipate burnt paper / tobacco but the anti-smoking nazis still are going after them.

So what you have here are smokers saying OK 2nd hand smoke and smell etc We agree will do this instead and a bunch of prohibitionists yell NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!
 
2014-01-10 06:59:53 AM
I'd live where there was a smoking ban were it available in my renting future.

Nothing like having windows open on a nice day in any season, and then being assaulted at any given time by the reek of smoke that seeps into MY APARTMENT and MY BELONGINGS. Or trying to enjoy a nice afternoon on the communal front porch with good company or a good book, and ending up with clothes and hair that need washed upon returning inside.

With that said, it's my neighbor's own damn punishments to themselves that they have to stand outside in cold (especially with the serious below-zeros we just had), wet, or snowy weather. If they want to make themselves miserable just to enjoy a "freedom," they can go right ahead. I'm most likely in my nice warm dry apartment NOT going through the torture of nicotine addiction and needing a fix. It's vastly preferable to what they're doing, but that's just me.

Flawed studies or not, smoke--second-hand, mainstream, whatever, it's no difference to me--is gross, regardless of it it's bad fo me or not. I do not want to smell it, I don't want to wear it, and I don't want to live in it. And I work with poop, diarrhea, abscesses, and anal gland secretions on a very regular basis, so believe me, I know gross smells. Thankfully, these are all occupational hazards easily washed off with soap and water and we're none the worse for wear.

/nicotine addiction, oral fixation, "need something to do with my hands," etc etc whatever
//it's as easy as DON'T START
 
2014-01-10 07:21:36 AM

OniNeko: I wish my apartments were non-smoking. My next-door neighbor smokes so heavily that I can smell it in my own farking apartment. It constantly reeks in the common area. The common area smelling of cigarettes I can handle - dude needs to open his door once in a while. But, smelling it in my own farking home? Fark you, dude.

/recovering smoker
//seriously, fark that guy.
///I hate him
////and he's really nice


My friend and I had that same problem when we lived in our apartment. Our neighbor, 'Taxi George', was a pretty cool guy (old, grizzled, heavy, with just enough perversion to make you chuckle, always carrying in a case of Pepsi and a case of beer, every two-three days), but man, could he smoke. His master bedroom and ours (my friend's room) were opposite each other and we shared the same ventilation. Not only could you smell it in my friend's bedroom (that was only the real bad spot in our place), but when Taxi George went in and out, the hallways would reek.

I didn't complain, because he was okay, other than that. And I would get discount cab rides to and from the station every now and then.

When we bought our place (The Great Condo Conversion of '08), of course he was...'forced out'.

All in all, I am okay with this. Or you make certain buildings smoking and non-smoking. Just like if you do pets or no pets. Or in the case of our apt. manager, kids and no kids. ;) If you own a house that you rent out, that is your right to exclude smoking or smokers. I'm fine with that also.

TL;DR i'mokaywiththis.jpg
 
2014-01-10 07:28:14 AM
If I owned a building it would be smoke free as well. I don't want to have to strip the walls in floors of the unit every time a smelly drug addict leaves.
 
2014-01-10 07:42:56 AM
Smoking should be banned in any housing that shares common walls. There's no way to confine smoke or the smell of smoke to one unit. The smoke travels through the ventilation systems and the walls and outside through the balconies. You have to smell it and it causes any number of health problems. I used to live in an apartment building where no one smoked in my apartment and people still thought I smoked.

It always baffles me when some smokers say "I can't smell anything" when referring to cigarette smoke. They seem to forget the whole "I can't smell anything" part. It's a dinosaurs habit anyways and the teenagers have greatly reduced their smoking rates. Give it another decade and those that insist on smoking inside places like apartments will be looked at like bucktooth hillbillies at best.

http://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/about-smoking/facts-figures/children - teens-and-tobacco.html
 
2014-01-10 07:48:08 AM

TwiztidDream: I'd live where there was a smoking ban were it available in my renting future.

Nothing like having windows open on a nice day in any season, and then being assaulted at any given time by the reek of smoke that seeps into MY APARTMENT and MY BELONGINGS. Or trying to enjoy a nice afternoon on the communal front porch with good company or a good book, and ending up with clothes and hair that need washed upon returning inside.


Tell me about it. I bike everywhere (yes, even now (IL)), and there is nothing more disgusting than riding by a car and smelling the smoke come out of it. Even worse is now when the windows are rolled UP, save for that little gap so they can ash, breathe, exhale, or whatever. And it reeks! It's a pungent punch in the face! I always imagine it as a smoky fist, right square in my nose.

/when i rode home the other day, it was 13°
 
2014-01-10 08:01:13 AM
In the Keys, tourists have discovered that finding a hotel, guesthouse or vacation rental that allows smoking inside is almost impossible these days.

Smokers:

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Old enough to remember when it was consider the height or rudeness not to provide an ashtray for guests who are smokers even if you were a non-smoker, smoking allowed on Greyhounds,  in college, in the workplace.

How things have changed..now, if only they would ban my Eastern European neighbor from boiling cabbage all the time - that shiat smells like a goddamn paper mill.

Why not coleslaw?
 
2014-01-10 08:27:36 AM

God Is My Co-Pirate: I once rented a flat that had been divided into two apartments.  The guy next door smoked, and our apartments shared some vents so it got pretty smoky in my place.  I'm allergic, history of bronchitis, etc. I knocked on his door and asked nicely if he wouldn't mind opening a window or smoking further away from the vent.  No problem.

It's amazing how people can get along when they're not dicks.


But how much would it suck if he blew smoke in your face and told you to go get farked?


Works out great if they're cool about it. If they're assholes, then you just have to suffer.
 
2014-01-10 08:47:14 AM
"We always have to replace the carpet and repaint after a place has been left by a smoker," Cordova said. "Sometimes the smell is so bad we have to tear out the drywall. We can sometimes turn over a nonsmoker's apartment in eight hours, but it takes a week or two for a smoker's."


I call bullshiat. Several years ago I worked a second job doing maintenance at an apartment complex. When someone would move out I was responsible for any cleaning and repairs to the unit before a new tenant would move in. It made not one bit of difference whether the previous tenant was a smoker or not. All units were repainted. Carpets were replaced on an as needed basis and the frequency of replacement had nothing to do with whether the previous tenant was a smoker. Never once did we have to tear out drywall to remove the smoke smell. The turnaround time to make an apartment ready for a new tenant was the same whether the previous person was a smoker or not.


If a building owner wishes to make his property non-smoking, that's his business. I just dislike hearing bullshiat reasons for it.
 
2014-01-10 08:47:35 AM

lockers: Its been true for most apartments for years around here.


every apartment i've ever lived in had "no smoking inside apartment" in the contract*
every apartment i've ever lived in had people smoking in it at some point

*except the apartment i lived in while stationed in germany. i don't think smoking is banned anywhere in that country, although most restaurants had a small dedicated non-smoking section that wasn't physically cut-off in any way from the rest of the restaurant
 
2014-01-10 08:52:55 AM

Day_Old_Dutchie: In the Keys, tourists have discovered that finding a hotel, guesthouse or vacation rental that allows smoking inside is almost impossible these days.

Smokers:

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Old enough to remember when it was consider the height or rudeness not to provide an ashtray for guests who are smokers even if you were a non-smoker, smoking allowed on Greyhounds,  in college, in the workplace.

How things have changed..now, if only they would ban my Eastern European neighbor from boiling cabbage all the time - that shiat smells like a goddamn paper mill.

Why not coleslaw?


Funny, I have cooked a recipe which included boiled cabbage which was made in my pressure cooker with pancetta and there was no bad smells at all
 
2014-01-10 08:55:45 AM

onyxruby: It always baffles me when some smokers say "I can't smell anything" when referring to cigarette smoke. They seem to forget the whole "I can't smell anything" part.


Failing to notice stimuli which are constantly in your environment is a common human trait.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habituation
 
2014-01-10 08:58:55 AM
Do you know who ELSE banned smoking?

The Taliban.

That's right, smoking bans are near and dear to the hearts of those who would execute women for being raped.
 
2014-01-10 08:59:24 AM

Do you know the way to Mordor: Day_Old_Dutchie: In the Keys, tourists have discovered that finding a hotel, guesthouse or vacation rental that allows smoking inside is almost impossible these days.

Smokers:

[s10.postimg.org image 340x214]

Old enough to remember when it was consider the height or rudeness not to provide an ashtray for guests who are smokers even if you were a non-smoker, smoking allowed on Greyhounds,  in college, in the workplace.

How things have changed..now, if only they would ban my Eastern European neighbor from boiling cabbage all the time - that shiat smells like a goddamn paper mill.

Why not coleslaw?

Funny, I have cooked a recipe which included boiled cabbage which was made in my pressure cooker with pancetta and there was no bad smells at all


when my wife (girlfriend at the time) and i moved down here to dfw, our downstairs neighbor was bosnian. i LOVE eastern european foods, and the smells almost daily drove me friggin crazy! i assume if i asked they would've shared, but i'm not that bold.
 
2014-01-10 09:09:07 AM
My lease says I can't smoke in my apartment. I am anti-smoking ban when imposed by the government, but if the owner of an establishment/apartment/etc says no smoking, then no smoking.
 
2014-01-10 09:21:49 AM
Rights. Schmights. Smoking is an addiction. Period. About the only difference between crack and tobacco is that one, through an accident of history, is *legal*, and the other one is not. Besides all that, cigarette smoke stinks. And not only does it stink, but it stinks up absolutely everything it lands on. Hair, skin, clothing, furniture, the insides of your car. The a/c in your car and your home, stink. In fact, if smokers realized just how badly cigarette smoke makes them and everything they own, stink, I'd bet a good percentage of them would drop the stinking habit in a heartbeat.
 
2014-01-10 09:36:32 AM

feckingmorons: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Translation: we still want the tax money, so we don't dare ban tobacco completely

/which is really the goal of all these laws
//but... the money...

The complex in the article banned it inside the apartments AND on the grounds. So these people who probably can't afford to tell the to piss off and just move somewhere else can't even enjoy a cigarette without going outside and walking to the end of the block and standing on a public sidewalk.

These people who certainly can't afford to jet off on a vacation on the islands get little pleasure out of life and if they want to have a smoke why should we stop them. It is perfectly legal and I'm sure they know it may not be the healthiest thing, but they should be allowed to live their own lives.

But, they're poor so screw them. The rich smart people know what is best for them.

/I don't smoke, never have


They can't even do that... loitering laws.
 
2014-01-10 09:40:34 AM

TuteTibiImperes: They could always just charge an extra deposit for smokers like they do for pet owners.


Section 8 here has a maximum of one month's rent allowed as a security deposit, and there's a good chance they'd include that in the limit.  Not only would the costs related to a long term smoking resident probably be too high to ask for up front in Section 8 housing, but it may end up on shaky legal ground if the government considered that to be a security deposit, which isn't a far stretch.  Both deposits would be covering the tenant's possible damages to the apartment.

In addition, there are a lot of different state laws regarding deposits for housing.  Sometimes it can be hard to charge a non-refundable one.  Sometimes charging a specific deposit can also limit what the landlord can collect - in several states (not all) if they collect pet deposits, they cannot collect for pet damage beyond that.  If they limited their ability to collect for smoking damage, then the landlord could be out a lot of money in some cases, and they can probably already attempt to collect it as normal damage without a special deposit (though of course they aren't 100% successful at collecting beyond deposit amounts).  If they didn't charge enough to cover the very worst smoker though, they're in the same boat they already were in, and attempting to collect - if legally allowed to - on damages beyond the deposit.  Hotels charge a fortune if you smoke in a non-smoking room for the cleanup; they do not change the rules with each customer.  I am not sure why people would expect changing over a long term residence to be any easier or cheaper.

The apartments I've been in always had to repaint and recarpet at least.  They often needed additional air duct cleaning, and sometimes drywall replacement.  Pets usually at least keep their damage mostly to floor level, even if they are particularly house-unfriendly pets.  None of the pet deposits I've paid have even been a full month's rent - they're usually $50-$200 extra.  Mostly that is just going to pay for a rug shampoo.  It wouldn't cover a repaint.  To convert a smoker's rental afterwards would probably just require too high a deposit to stay profitable and attract tenants.  Smokers would look for a place that didn't add that charge yet, and nonsmokers may be more attracted to places that did not allow the smoking, since it does tend to get into the neighbor's apartments as well, so it'd end up less desirable to both groups.  A lot of people pay extra to live in smoke free complexes, plus those cost less during turnovers, so a smoker deposit would both discourage smokers and lessen the possible rent from non-smokers.  On the flip side, if certain places do not have a deposit and tend to repeatedly attract smokers, they may also be able to use less drastic overhauls for each turnover and face less complaints about shared areas and ventilation systems.  Both sides would probably have lower costs and happier tenants with a clear policy, rather than trying to play the middle and just collect additional money on the front end.  At the very least, a policy per building would probably be beneficial.
 
2014-01-10 09:41:57 AM

biglot: Rights. Schmights. Smoking Drinking is an addiction. Period. About the only difference between crack and tobacco alcohol is that one, through an accident of history, is *legal*, and the other one is not. Besides all that, cigarette smoke drunks stinks. And not only does it they stink, but it they stinks up absolutely everything it they lands on. Hair, skin, clothing, furniture, the insides of your car. The a/c in your car and your home, stink. In fact, if smokers drunks realized just how badly cigarette smoke alcohol makes them and everything they own, stink, I'd bet a good percentage of them would drop the stinking habit in a heartbeat.


/Translation: No rights for you (besides the ones I am personally ok with).
//PROTIP: Rights must be fought for esp. when you don't agree with the person trying to exercise them, or the next time it may be a right you DO care about... but nobody will be there to help you.
 
2014-01-10 10:12:54 AM

Hyggelig: I wonder how ole Mitzy would feel about a ban on sandwiches.

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HAHAHA - because she's FAT, right?!?!!  HAHAHA!!!

Fat people...amirite?

/fat people TROLOLOL!!!!!
//whatever it take to feel good about yourself, kiddo
 
2014-01-10 10:21:58 AM
On one hand, I don't like smokers.  I grew up with severe asthma and bad allergies, and anything that makes it harder to breathe automatically earns my ire.  I simply don't like smokers smoking.

However, I think that this should be - as it appears to be in this case -  up to local politics and capitalism, and let self-selection do the rest.  Some people will pay more for the ability to smoke - or the ability to be in a guaranteed smoke-free environment.  In apartments, smoking may affect not only those folks around you, but anyone who rents any of the rooms around the smoker for years to come.  Ever been in the apartment of a long-term smoker and note how the ceiling and walls are tinted?  The odor is as bad as mold - you can't get it out without ripping out the carpeting and drywall and starting over.  But this reduction in value/increase in maintenance cost  should just be factored into the rent, just like it is with many company health plans now; you smoke, you pay more, simple enough.
 
2014-01-10 10:24:22 AM

UtopianDevil: "We always have to replace the carpet and repaint after a place has been left by a smoker," Cordova said. "Sometimes the smell is so bad we have to tear out the drywall. We can sometimes turn over a nonsmoker's apartment in eight hours, but it takes a week or two for a smoker's."


I call bullshiat. Several years ago I worked a second job doing maintenance at an apartment complex. When someone would move out I was responsible for any cleaning and repairs to the unit before a new tenant would move in. It made not one bit of difference whether the previous tenant was a smoker or not. All units were repainted. Carpets were replaced on an as needed basis and the frequency of replacement had nothing to do with whether the previous tenant was a smoker. Never once did we have to tear out drywall to remove the smoke smell. The turnaround time to make an apartment ready for a new tenant was the same whether the previous person was a smoker or not.


If a building owner wishes to make his property non-smoking, that's his business. I just dislike hearing bullshiat reasons for it.


Either you have olfactory disfunction, you are full of it, or you're simply saying "we didn't do it in our shiathole so no one needs to do it". When people smoke cigarettes on a consistent basis inside a closed area any and all even somewhat soft or porous materials are infused with the yellow taint/smell of nastiness and it is nigh on impossible to eradicate.

///Occassional outdoor smoker. Afterwards the whole laundry hamper reeks.
 
2014-01-10 10:29:44 AM

feelslikerain: fark cigarette smokers.

biggest a holes on the planet.

oh yea, not you mr/mrs perfectly considerate smoker who doesnt exist.

it stinks inside, it stinks outside, its annoying, and fark you.

i should never have to tolerate someone elses cigarette smoke.  period.

ban it everywhere and shoot on site.


You DON'T tolerate it. I doubt you tolerate ANYTHING.

You sound like the A-holes you describe. You just wait till they come after your sammiches. You'll feel the vulnerability smokers do.

And I'll care as little as you do now.
 
2014-01-10 10:31:59 AM

kindms: The My Little Pony Killer: Pot smokers will just switch to edibles or using filters.

//suck it, nicotine suckers

You mean like e-cigs ? Dumbass. Ya the same assholes who don't want people smoking because it smells and don't want smoke etc are banning them to. So it has nothing to do with smell or health anymore it's all about imposing their will.

E-cig don't smell like smoke and don't dissipate burnt paper / tobacco but the anti-smoking nazis still are going after them.

So what you have here are smokers saying OK 2nd hand smoke and smell etc We agree will do this instead and a bunch of prohibitionists yell NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!


It's cute that you think your e-cig doesn't smell AT ALL. They have a smell, you just choose to believe that it doesn't because it dissipates a little bit faster than regular cigarette smoke.

You'd know that if your sense of smell wasn't all jacked up from your addiction, dumbass.
 
2014-01-10 10:35:10 AM

Colin O'Scopy: feelslikerain: fark cigarette smokers.

biggest a holes on the planet.

oh yea, not you mr/mrs perfectly considerate smoker who doesnt exist.

it stinks inside, it stinks outside, its annoying, and fark you.

i should never have to tolerate someone elses cigarette smoke.  period.

ban it everywhere and shoot on site.

You DON'T tolerate it. I doubt you tolerate ANYTHING.

You sound like the A-holes you describe. You just wait till they come after your sammiches. You'll feel the vulnerability smokers do.

And I'll care as little as you do now.


Sandwiches aren't a stinky, disgusting habit that has adverse effects on people nearby. Equivalence fail.
 
2014-01-10 10:45:21 AM
I lived in a non smoking unit for 8 years.  Unfortunately my neighbor downstairs smoked.  Most of the year I could keep windows open and cross ventilate nicely, no big deal.  It reeked in the winter however.  I took a vacation, and upon unpacking my bags I noticed that all my clothes, that had been hanging in my closet, were permeated with tobacco stench.  Yes, I regularly washed my clothes. I'd just gotten used to the smell apparently.  It's a filthy habit.
 
2014-01-10 10:52:22 AM
UMaine recently became a "tobacco free campus." No one enforces it, the students don't give a rats ass and smoke anyway, and the staff literally hide in the bushes to smoke.

/life sucks
//let them have their dirty habit
 
2014-01-10 10:58:31 AM
I actually agree with this.  I and my fiance are non smokers, The 17 chinese people living below us (who run a japanese restaurant across the street) in one apartment smoke.  Daily, it is such a strong odor coming up from them, that it has become a nuisance. Everyone in the building agrees that the smoking needs to stop in the building.  If my apartment smells like this when I choose to move out, I will end up paying the fees for cleanup and fumigation.

It's bullshiat unless steps are taken to prevent the spread into other apartments.  Then, and only then, would I be ok with smoking in buildings.
 
2014-01-10 11:05:10 AM

notatrollorami: Either you have olfactory disfunction, you are full of it, or you're simply saying "we didn't do it in our shiathole so no one needs to do it". When people smoke cigarettes on a consistent basis inside a closed area any and all even somewhat soft or porous materials are infused with the yellow taint/smell of nastiness and it is nigh on impossible to eradicate.

///Occassional outdoor smoker. Afterwards the whole laundry hamper reeks.



My nose works fine, they weren't shiathole apartments and I'm certainly not making it up. We never received a single complaint from new tenants about a smoke smell in an apartment. Oddly enough, if you use primer and paint properly, you don't have to replace drywall.

If your whole laundry hamper reeks after an occasional outdoor cigarette perhaps you should try exhaling into the air instead of up your own ass. Having your head already firmly wedged in there might make it difficult though.

Isn't unsolicited rudeness and general assholishness fun? It's not normally my thing, but I thought I would follow your lead.
 
2014-01-10 11:12:27 AM
wake me up when we start banning children from the second floor apartments.

farkers stomping around are annoying the shiat out of me
 
2014-01-10 11:23:52 AM

feckingmorons: But, they're poor so screw them. The rich smart people know what is best for them.


Rich people also don't rent.

...or get tax-payer provided healthcare while living in tax-payer subsidized apartments.
 
2014-01-10 11:37:51 AM

kindms: The My Little Pony Killer: Pot smokers will just switch to edibles or using filters.

//suck it, nicotine suckers

You mean like e-cigs ? Dumbass. Ya the same assholes who don't want people smoking because it smells and don't want smoke etc are banning them to. So it has nothing to do with smell or health anymore it's all about imposing their will.

E-cig don't smell like smoke and don't dissipate burnt paper / tobacco but the anti-smoking nazis still are going after them.

So what you have here are smokers saying OK 2nd hand smoke and smell etc We agree will do this instead and a bunch of prohibitionists yell NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!!


This is about banning cigarettes in apartments, which you don't appear to have an issue with. You're complaining about something that no apartment complex has done yet.

We could also complain about landlords that want to ban residents from being naked in their apartments. That's illegal to do in public too.
 
2014-01-10 11:46:30 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: Sandwiches aren't a stinky, disgusting habit that has adverse effects on people nearby. Equivalence fail.


How about pizza?

teamshocker.com
 
2014-01-10 11:54:51 AM
"Do you mind if I smoke?"

"Hell, I don't care if you burn ."
 
2014-01-10 11:57:12 AM
Mark my words:
This is the innocuous first step toward letting them invade our homes and control us within our own personal space.
Now that the inside of our homes aren't sacred, the bedrooms certainly won't be for long.  This is the preliminary set up for a ban on Gays. just watch.  This passes, and soon people don't want their neighbors doing gay things inside their homes that happen to be nearby.  Secondhand Gay is the leading cause of gay babies, and soon it will be banned too.
 
2014-01-10 12:03:28 PM
Now that smoking has been banned in public places, restaurants, and bars, the time has come to ban smoking in apartment buildings altogether.

Smokers are pigs.
 
2014-01-10 12:09:50 PM

Disgruntled Goat: Now that smoking has been banned in public places, restaurants, and bars, the time has come to ban smoking in apartment buildings altogether.

Smokers are pigs.


What would you suggest to replace the lost tax revenues?  Tax alcohol more?
 
2014-01-10 12:35:07 PM

Disgruntled Goat: Now that smoking has been banned in public places, restaurants, and bars, the time has come to ban smoking in apartment buildings altogether.

Smokers are pigs.


oh I don't think that's true... not all smokers are cops.
 
2014-01-10 12:37:22 PM

GanjSmokr: What would you suggest to replace the lost tax revenues?


Are tax revenues more important than people's health?
 
2014-01-10 12:42:56 PM

Pangea: The My Little Pony Killer: Sandwiches aren't a stinky, disgusting habit that has adverse effects on people nearby. Equivalence fail.

How about pizza?

[teamshocker.com image 800x479]


Holy shiat, that pizza is bigger than the table. OK, I admit that I like pizza and soda as much as the next person, but there comes a point when you have to admit that you have a problem. Typically, I would assume that it would be before you reach the "personal 2 liter bottle of coke and a pizza that can't fit through the door horizontally dinner for two" phase. Then again, I try to err on the side of not being a farking hog.
 
2014-01-10 12:49:05 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: [encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 208x138]

Had to "tolerate" a neighbor's heavy second-hand smoke years ago. (Glad i don't live near any smokers these days...)


Yup. I had to move TWICE because a neighbor's smoke was coming into our apartment. The second time, we explored legal options and a nice attorney told us he'd only take it with a large retainer because it would take years and that we would receive almost nothing in return. The payoff, he said, would be that if we won, we'd be the "test case" for our Federal District.

We moved.

Now I INSIST upon at least some air between me and any neighbors.
 
2014-01-10 12:51:09 PM
I support this whole heartedly, Most apartments share bathroom ventilation, and via that shared ventilation, smoke goes from one apartment to the one below it as long as the lower level person isn't running their blower fan.  As a person with asthma who lives below a couple that smokes, they can DIAF and EABOD... I hope they pass the clean air bill in nebraska that prevents smoking inside of apartments....
 
2014-01-10 12:53:43 PM

feelslikerain: fark cigarette smokers.

biggest a holes on the planet.

oh yea, not you mr/mrs perfectly considerate smoker who doesnt exist.

it stinks inside, it stinks outside, its annoying, and fark you.

i should never have to tolerate someone elses cigarette smoke.  period.

ban it everywhere and shoot on site.


Your butt stinks. Your car stinks. Please kill yourself.
 
2014-01-10 12:59:01 PM

whatshisname: GanjSmokr: What would you suggest to replace the lost tax revenues?

Are tax revenues more important than people's health?


That would depend on who you ask.  I'll guess many politicians would feel that tax revenue is more important.

Do you think that everyone who smokes right now would just quit cold turkey if we banned cigs or do you think a black market might open up and minimize the effects of such a ban?
 
2014-01-10 01:03:33 PM

UtopianDevil: notatrollorami: Either you have olfactory disfunction, you are full of it, or you're simply saying "we didn't do it in our shiathole so no one needs to do it". When people smoke cigarettes on a consistent basis inside a closed area any and all even somewhat soft or porous materials are infused with the yellow taint/smell of nastiness and it is nigh on impossible to eradicate.

///Occassional outdoor smoker. Afterwards the whole laundry hamper reeks.


My nose works fine, they weren't shiathole apartments and I'm certainly not making it up. We never received a single complaint from new tenants about a smoke smell in an apartment. Oddly enough, if you use primer and paint properly, you don't have to replace drywall.

If your whole laundry hamper reeks after an occasional outdoor cigarette perhaps you should try exhaling into the air instead of up your own ass. Having your head already firmly wedged in there might make it difficult though.

Isn't unsolicited rudeness and general assholishness fun? It's not normally my thing, but I thought I would follow your lead.


Hehe. Yeah upon rereading I was snarkier than intended. My apologies. But cigarette stink is the equivalent of cat urine for investment property owners. It can be eradicated but only at significant additional expense.
 
2014-01-10 01:17:38 PM

Witty Comment: ... headaches and full blown migraines sometimes.


No it doesn't.
 
2014-01-10 01:24:12 PM
It will never cease to amaze me how proud and eager people are to be smug and condescend on others, no matter what the topic.  You're not inconvenienced in any real way from smoking with current laws.  No more than any other "STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE" thing you deal with every day.

/nonsmoker
 
2014-01-10 01:31:15 PM
GanjSmokr: Do you think that everyone who smokes right now would just quit cold turkey if we banned cigs or do you think a black market might open up and minimize the effects of such a ban?

Many people would probably prefer to go with a legal alternative than to interact with the black market. We've already proven that prohibition doesn't work though.

The best alternative is to continue to make smokers feel more and more self-loathing, as we socially relegate them to being the literal butt of jokes, and offer them as cautionary tales to young people thinking about taking up smoking.

The social experiment seems to be working as designed, even though there have been some occasional bumps along the way.

/ hopefully your meters are calibrated
 
2014-01-10 02:03:59 PM

UtopianDevil: "We always have to replace the carpet and repaint after a place has been left by a smoker," Cordova said. "Sometimes the smell is so bad we have to tear out the drywall. We can sometimes turn over a nonsmoker's apartment in eight hours, but it takes a week or two for a smoker's."


I call bullshiat. Several years ago I worked a second job doing maintenance at an apartment complex. When someone would move out I was responsible for any cleaning and repairs to the unit before a new tenant would move in. It made not one bit of difference whether the previous tenant was a smoker or not. All units were repainted. Carpets were replaced on an as needed basis and the frequency of replacement had nothing to do with whether the previous tenant was a smoker. Never once did we have to tear out drywall to remove the smoke smell. The turnaround time to make an apartment ready for a new tenant was the same whether the previous person was a smoker or not.


If a building owner wishes to make his property non-smoking, that's his business. I just dislike hearing bullshiat reasons for it.


I'm going to call bullshiat on your bullshiat. There are different types of smokers. For instance, you have the smoker who goes through half of a pack in a week, and on the other end you have one that goes through half of a carton in a week. Some smokers ruin things, some don't.

/just saying
 
2014-01-10 02:18:18 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-10 02:45:44 PM

LordJiro: I still wonder why the *fark*, in this day and age, do people *start* smoking? It reeks, it does disgusting things your lungs, teeth, mouth and so on, and it hasn't looked 'Cool' for at least twenty years..


me too... I started as a kid..like 10 yrs old...now 44...

Went to family Christmas dinner.. Asked my cousin if she minded if I go out back door to smoke - she said 'son's name' has an ashtray out there..he's 19..I said WHAT?! he smokes?? She said yes and asked me to talk to him.. I did but I don't know if it helped..
 
2014-01-10 03:13:04 PM

Mad_Radhu: Ready-set: A PRIVATE property owner should also get to refuse children, pregnant women, and any race they want. After all: it's PRIVATE.

I'll bet $5 neither of you have studied law... or much else.

You may want to do a little research yourself on what a protected class is. Smokers aren't a protected class, so they are fair game if someone doesn't want them living in their rental property, same as pet owners.


I think you missed the hyperbole.
 
2014-01-10 03:19:47 PM

UtopianDevil: If your whole laundry hamper reeks after an occasional outdoor cigarette perhaps you should try exhaling into the air instead of up your own ass.


That is brilliant.
 
2014-01-10 04:28:46 PM
One of our places is a condo in a city.  It is a smoke-free property, and I am waaaaay ok with (a) not dealing with the smoke blowing in my window, and (b) a lower risk of fire from drunken idiot smokers.
 
2014-01-10 05:01:00 PM
When my roomae first lived with me in a apartment she smoked all the time inside. The worst it ever got was one night her and her BF had a carton of smokes and were just chain smoking until the whole livingroom seemed like it was fogged in. I was gagging and my eyes watered up I made them stop for five minutes so I could open a window and turn on a fan.....in winter. She moved out first and when I did I cleaned the whole place, even my mom & dad helped me. It took me hours to clean the blinds they were yellow bleh. When she moved into the place I bought about a year later I damn near killed her when I caught  her smoking inside. I told her I dont care if she freezes to death no smoking in my home. Caught her a few times it's 10 dollars a pop or GTFO.
 
2014-01-10 05:17:51 PM

bronyaur1: One of our places is a condo in a city.  It is a smoke-free property, and I am waaaaay ok with (a) not dealing with the smoke blowing in my window, and (b) a lower risk of fire from drunken idiot smokers.


"One of our places" see you're the rich who know better than the poor and deny them the simple pleasure of a Newport on the couch after Springer.
 
2014-01-10 05:33:38 PM
I live in an apartment for the first time since college.  There's alot I had forgotten.
Currently, there's a strong smoke odor coming up from the vent, which we hadn't noticed in along time.
I have kids now, it's the main thing that's making me think of moving.
I have thought of mentioning it to the front desk, I figure there's nothing they can do to the vent.
I guess I could investigate whether my downstairs neighbo has moved his smoking location.

There's a playground in our complex.  This lady who lives right outside was smoking next to the playground, on her front stoop.  My kids held their noses.  The lady agressively chastised me for my kids rude behavior.
I tried to be neighborly and she just got more vicious.  I wish I could go back in time and tell her off for smoking next to a playground and yelling at the kids for not liking it, but alas.
 
2014-01-10 06:50:15 PM

IRQ12: Witty Comment: ... headaches and full blown migraines sometimes.

No it doesn't.


Uh, yes it does. If I'm in an enclosed area, i.e. someone's car and they don't have the window down or in a space without a window open and I'm subjected to a bunch of cigarette smoke it more certainly DOES cause me headaches and sometimes trigger full blown migraines. I'm surprised you could be so stupid as I would need to clarify that, but then again this is the internet. I couldn't care less if you pull up some link that says it doesn't because guess what: it does. I wish it didn't, because then I wouldn't be AS bothered by it due to the lack of a physically painful symptom. Do you need me to record myself when I'm inside a building working and my co-worker smoke 4 cigarettes in the span of 45 minutes and the resulting headache I get? It's horrible, it sucks, and I hate it. Why the hell would I make something like that up? There are plenty of reasons for me to hate being around it, and I had stated those reasons as well, but to lie about it would be asinine.
 
2014-01-10 06:55:12 PM

IRQ12: It will never cease to amaze me how proud and eager people are to be smug and condescend on others, no matter what the topic.  You're not inconvenienced in any real way from smoking with current laws.  No more than any other "STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE" thing you deal with every day.

/nonsmoker


And the funny thing is, if I'm woirking or something, I'm not smug or condescending about it. I just deal with the headache and accept it because I'd rather this idiot smokes nonstop than cause me to pick up his slack. He knows it, and in fact tries to be courteous about not blowing it in my face (I get a few apologies a day for that actually) when we're talking. Right now it's winter and I'm not going to be a cock and make him go outside. If I own a property though, you're god damn right I don't want that stinky shiat around me. It's not "stop liking what I don't like", it's "stop subjecting me to your litter, your odor, and your smoke in my clean air", you farking nitwit. It's an inconvenience to me to have to pick up tufts of fiberglass after I mow my yard, or nasty smelly cigarette butts by the dozens after all the snow melts. Those things are practically textbook cases of real, tangible inconvenience.
 
2014-01-10 07:57:45 PM

Witty Comment: IRQ12: Witty Comment: ... headaches and full blown migraines sometimes.

No it doesn't.

Uh, yes it does. If I'm in an enclosed area, i.e. someone's car and they don't have the window down or in a space without a window open and I'm subjected to a bunch of cigarette smoke it more certainly DOES cause me headaches and sometimes trigger full blown migraines. I'm surprised you could be so stupid as I would need to clarify that, but then again this is the internet. I couldn't care less if you pull up some link that says it doesn't because guess what: it does. I wish it didn't, because then I wouldn't be AS bothered by it due to the lack of a physically painful symptom. Do you need me to record myself when I'm inside a building working and my co-worker smoke 4 cigarettes in the span of 45 minutes and the resulting headache I get? It's horrible, it sucks, and I hate it. Why the hell would I make something like that up? There are plenty of reasons for me to hate being around it, and I had stated those reasons as well, but to lie about it would be asinine.


Seriously, I wish it didn't cause me headaches.  I live in california, so luckily I rarely have to put up with cigarette smoke in any enclosed areas  Every time I go to vegas, though, I wind getting physically ill after wandering around a casino for more than a couple hours.  This isn't a case of me getting a "headache" so I can talk people into putting out their cigarette.  Some of us just don't handle the fumes very well.
 
2014-01-10 07:59:01 PM

Rezurok: Seriously, I wish it didn't cause me headaches.  I live in california, so luckily I rarely have to put up with cigarette smoke in any enclosed areas  Every time I go to vegas, though, I wind getting physically ill after wandering around a casino for more than a couple hours.  This isn't a case of me getting a "headache" so I can talk people into putting out their cigarette.  Some of us just don't handle the fumes very well.


Oh add one of these: .
 
2014-01-10 08:54:07 PM

Witty Comment: IRQ12: It will never cease to amaze me how proud and eager people are to be smug and condescend on others, no matter what the topic.  You're not inconvenienced in any real way from smoking with current laws.  No more than any other "STOP LIKING WHAT I DON'T LIKE" thing you deal with every day.

/nonsmoker

And the funny thing is, if I'm woirking or something, I'm not smug or condescending about it. I just deal with the headache and accept it because I'd rather this idiot smokes nonstop than cause me to pick up his slack. He knows it, and in fact tries to be courteous about not blowing it in my face (I get a few apologies a day for that actually) when we're talking. Right now it's winter and I'm not going to be a cock and make him go outside. If I own a property though, you're god damn right I don't want that stinky shiat around me. It's not "stop liking what I don't like", it's "stop subjecting me to your litter, your odor, and your smoke in my clean air", you farking nitwit. It's an inconvenience to me to have to pick up tufts of fiberglass after I mow my yard, or nasty smelly cigarette butts by the dozens after all the snow melts. Those things are practically textbook cases of real, tangible inconvenience.


Apologies. I didn't realize you lived somewhere that smoking indoors on the job is legal. I thought you were one of the ones who simply smells smoke and throws a fit.

I was speaking about this scenario where they are banning smoking outside which is ridiculous. I'm all for banning smoking indoors on property you own or public indoor places.

And smoking in a car with nonsmokers is a complete douche move.
 
2014-01-10 10:52:10 PM

GanjSmokr: whatshisname: GanjSmokr: What would you suggest to replace the lost tax revenues?

Are tax revenues more important than people's health?

That would depend on who you ask.  I'll guess many politicians would feel that tax revenue is more important.

Do you think that everyone who smokes right now would just quit cold turkey if we banned cigs or do you think a black market might open up and minimize the effects of such a ban?


When the only way to smoke is to sneak away where and when it's undetectable by anyone, it's gonna force smokers to make some HARD choices. No more smoke breaks at work, no more smoking in public. A small black market would open up, but the near-total lack of OPPORTUNITY to smoke would go a long way toward defeating the disgusting habit.

And I defy any politician to publicly put tax revenue above childrens' health. Let's see how that works out for them.

There is NO reason for smoking to be legal. None. Other than maybe killing stupid people faster.
 
2014-01-11 12:40:15 AM

Oldiron_79: You know who ELSE hated smoking?


Yes... Just like all the national socialist democrats... Nazis are left wing.

fark You thats Why...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAl3iQupaFU

100 Miles and running
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdv3HLBNc9Q

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
 
2014-01-11 08:55:02 AM

Disgruntled Goat: GanjSmokr: whatshisname: GanjSmokr: What would you suggest to replace the lost tax revenues?

Are tax revenues more important than people's health?

That would depend on who you ask.  I'll guess many politicians would feel that tax revenue is more important.

Do you think that everyone who smokes right now would just quit cold turkey if we banned cigs or do you think a black market might open up and minimize the effects of such a ban?

When the only way to smoke is to sneak away where and when it's undetectable by anyone, it's gonna force smokers to make some HARD choices. No more smoke breaks at work, no more smoking in public. A small black market would open up, but the near-total lack of OPPORTUNITY to smoke would go a long way toward defeating the disgusting habit.

And I defy any politician to publicly put tax revenue above childrens' health. Let's see how that works out for them.

There is NO reason for smoking to be legal. None. Other than maybe killing stupid people faster.


I see what you're saying.  When we make something illegal people stop doing it.  Just like everyone stopped drinking in the prohibition days and just like nobody ever smoked weed recreationally before CO and WA legalized it.  Once you put it that way, it makes perfect sense.

/There's NO reason for drinking to be legal, either, but I'll take a wild guess that you wouldn't be as gung ho about banning that.
 
2014-01-11 12:05:06 PM

feckingmorons: UtopianDevil: If your whole laundry hamper reeks after an occasional outdoor cigarette perhaps you should try exhaling into the air instead of up your own ass.

That is brilliant.


Thank you. And thank you for the month of TF.
 
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