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2014-01-09 08:32:00 PM
Yep, sticking it to the poor again. 'Affordable housing' bans smoking inside one's own apartment. Gestapo I tell you.
 
2014-01-09 08:46:50 PM

feckingmorons: Yep, sticking it to the poor again. 'Affordable housing' bans smoking inside one's own apartment. Gestapo I tell you.


It's a trend that seems to have been picking up in non-subsidized housing as well, unfortunately.  On one hand the landlords should have certain rights over their properties, but on the other the tenants should have rights of their own.

In general I'm against the banning of practices that would otherwise be legal.  They could always just charge an extra deposit for smokers like they do for pet owners.
 
2014-01-09 09:09:28 PM
This anti-smoking crusade is getting a little too much mileage out of flawed second-hand smoke studies.  An individual smoker with limited means is such an easy target.  There are other, more poisonous causes and environments to which we are regularly exposed, but those battles are harder even though there's more credible studies to prove the dangers.

/not a smoker, never was, most of family smoked
//lived right off freeways, worked in large buildings with bad filters, allergic to cats
///no cancer yet
////knock on wood
//extreme slashies
 
2014-01-09 11:28:07 PM
Say's Law!
 
2014-01-10 12:05:04 AM
But how will I make my delicious beef jerky now?
 
2014-01-10 12:05:28 AM
Its been true for most apartments for years around here.
 
2014-01-10 12:17:22 AM
Translation: we still want the tax money, so we don't dare ban tobacco completely

/which is really the goal of all these laws
//but... the money...
 
2014-01-10 12:31:48 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Translation: we still want the tax money, so we don't dare ban tobacco completely

/which is really the goal of all these laws
//but... the money...


The complex in the article banned it inside the apartments AND on the grounds. So these people who probably can't afford to tell the to piss off and just move somewhere else can't even enjoy a cigarette without going outside and walking to the end of the block and standing on a public sidewalk.

These people who certainly can't afford to jet off on a vacation on the islands get little pleasure out of life and if they want to have a smoke why should we stop them. It is perfectly legal and I'm sure they know it may not be the healthiest thing, but they should be allowed to live their own lives.

But, they're poor so screw them. The rich smart people know what is best for them.

/I don't smoke, never have
 
2014-01-10 12:37:13 AM

feckingmorons: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Translation: we still want the tax money, so we don't dare ban tobacco completely

/which is really the goal of all these laws
//but... the money...

The complex in the article banned it inside the apartments AND on the grounds. So these people who probably can't afford to tell the to piss off and just move somewhere else can't even enjoy a cigarette without going outside and walking to the end of the block and standing on a public sidewalk.

These people who certainly can't afford to jet off on a vacation on the islands get little pleasure out of life and if they want to have a smoke why should we stop them. It is perfectly legal and I'm sure they know it may not be the healthiest thing, but they should be allowed to live their own lives.

But, they're poor so screw them. The rich smart people know what is best for them.

/I don't smoke, never have


I'm with you on this one; it's getting ridiculous

/What I personally find a bit ironic is that I quit smoking because I couldn't afford cigarettes
//preferred food
 
2014-01-10 01:20:43 AM
ugh i disagree with such bans despite them being legal.

I do wonder at times if there would be any legal recourse to fight such a ban.  I know it would be an uphill battle no matter what.
 
2014-01-10 01:25:08 AM
Why can't they just chew a stick of gum?
 
2014-01-10 01:26:06 AM
Okay.
 
2014-01-10 01:26:17 AM

grimlock1972: ugh i disagree with such bans despite them being legal.

I do wonder at times if there would be any legal recourse to fight such a ban.  I know it would be an uphill battle no matter what.


Wait until pot is legal and blaze 24/7 for medicinal purposes.
 
2014-01-10 01:27:01 AM
Private property owners should be able to decide whether or not their business or residential properties are smoking or non.   If the owners of a property ban smoking, tough crap.  Its unfortunate that the government has taken away commercial property owners' rights to decide for themselves.

I havent smoked in 7 months, but i never fought a landlord on the smoking issue. Its his or her property.
 
2014-01-10 01:28:24 AM
Depends on the ventilation systems. The dorms I used to supervise, smells traveled easily up the columns of rooms because that's how the vent patterns ran and they used the cheapest systems possible so there was no odor (or sound) baffling. So I can understand banning smoking. One resident's dirty habit shouldn't stink up another's nose, furniture, and clothes.

Dealing with curry or fish cooking was always a fun issue too.
 
2014-01-10 01:30:04 AM
The last three leases I signed were in very nice communities, one apartment and two townhouses, in the nicest parts of town. No subsidized housing by a long shot. All of them had clauses in the lease contracts which forbade smoking anywhere on the property. One just left it at 'no smoking on the property', while two of them contained a blurb about by virtue of the smoking prohibition, insurance rates are lower for the property owner and therefore there are representative savings in the cost of rent.
 
2014-01-10 01:30:06 AM

TuteTibiImperes: feckingmorons: Yep, sticking it to the poor again. 'Affordable housing' bans smoking inside one's own apartment. Gestapo I tell you.

It's a trend that seems to have been picking up in non-subsidized housing as well, unfortunately.  On one hand the landlords should have certain rights over their properties, but on the other the tenants should have rights of their own.


Bingo!  When you sign a lease, you are renting someone else's property. It is not yours to do with as you wish, and they do legally have a right to tell you what you can and cannot do to some degree.

While the notion of demanding a "smoking deposit" seems reasonable, it might have to be quite large to cover the damage; I've been in places were people apparently smoked for years and the only way you're going to get the smell out is to strip it to the bare studs and tear up the carpet.  That's expensive.

/former smoker
//always left a window cracked, so my place never smelled like the inside of an ashtray.
 
2014-01-10 01:31:48 AM
I once rented a flat that had been divided into two apartments.  The guy next door smoked, and our apartments shared some vents so it got pretty smoky in my place.  I'm allergic, history of bronchitis, etc. I knocked on his door and asked nicely if he wouldn't mind opening a window or smoking further away from the vent.  No problem.

It's amazing how people can get along when they're not dicks.
 
2014-01-10 01:33:18 AM
This is a reasonable measure to control the cost of health care.
 
2014-01-10 01:39:33 AM
I still wonder why the *fark*, in this day and age, do people *start* smoking? It reeks, it does disgusting things your lungs, teeth, mouth and so on, and it hasn't looked 'Cool' for at least twenty years..
 
2014-01-10 01:43:40 AM
The complex I live in has a designated building that allows smoking inside the units, which I think makes sense, but is still not quite perfect; state law here bans smoking within a certain distance of entrances to public places and places of employment, but apparently entrances to residential buildings are not covered.  Some smokers live right next to the entrance to my building (not the designated smoking building) and have their little smoking area set up on the patio just a few feet away.  If they could move it ten feet to their other patio, then people wouldn't have to walk through their smoke and it wouldn't get into the building, but no.
 
2014-01-10 01:48:52 AM

LordJiro: I still wonder why the *fark*, in this day and age, do people *start* smoking? It reeks, it does disgusting things your lungs, teeth, mouth and so on, and it hasn't looked 'Cool' for at least twenty years..


Incidentally, I'm not saying it should be banned. If you want to kill yourself with cancer-sticks, fine. But sweet Jesus, I wish you would stay out of the way so we non-smokers don't have to smell it, second-hand smoke issues or no.
 
2014-01-10 01:51:38 AM
The day they invent a Vaporizer that doesn't look like one of your kids' toys is the day most adult smokers quit.

LordJiro: I still wonder why the *fark*, in this day and age, do people *start* smoking? It reeks, it does disgusting things your lungs, teeth, mouth and so on, and it hasn't looked 'Cool' for at least twenty years..


It's something to do when you can't hold a drink in your hand. Fills in those little lulls in conversation, something to do with your hand, someone usually has one if you forget, and so on. And cool is all in the group, the art and music scenes certainly never stopped smoking. If anything, they've doubled down the past ten years.
 
2014-01-10 01:53:35 AM
Having seen the damage heavy smokers can do on even a six-month lease, I am surprised more rental properties don't already ban it.

Worst I ever encountered was on a year lease by a couple who smoked: Imagine white walls turned a snot brown and yellow, and ductwork so gummed up with smoke residue that they had to be torn out and replaced because running the heat or air just made the apartment smell like cigarette smoke.

The smoke residue was so bad and pervasive that washing walls, priming them in several coats of odor block paint, and replacing nearly everything else like carpet, pad, outlets, and microwave still didn't get rid of the smell entirely. After the next tenants complained despite the effort put into cleaning it I finally convinced the owners that a complete tear-out was the only fix. Even the friggen insulation in the walls reeked of the cigarette smoke 4 months after those people moved out. Had to document every step for the charges we billed to the smoking tenants, as they were the first to occupy what was a brand new unit when they moved in.
 
2014-01-10 01:53:39 AM
I wish my apartments were non-smoking. My next-door neighbor smokes so heavily that I can smell it in my own farking apartment. It constantly reeks in the common area. The common area smelling of cigarettes I can handle - dude needs to open his door once in a while. But, smelling it in my own farking home? Fark you, dude.

/recovering smoker
//seriously, fark that guy.
///I hate him
////and he's really nice
 
2014-01-10 01:55:01 AM
I similarly was shocked to find that I couldn't spray the inside of my apartment with coyote urine.

Genuinely I think it shouldn't be a legal ban, simply a restriction available to property owners. "Within x feet of the front door to someone else's house" yeah, that's properly in the vein of "don't throw crap at other people."
 
2014-01-10 01:59:49 AM

GoldSpider: This is a reasonable measure to control the cost of health care.


And there's the rub; once the government completely takes over health care, they will take away our right to do anything that has even a remote chance of being bad for our health (except dying in foreign countries for oil company profits, of course). In the land of the free.
 
2014-01-10 02:02:57 AM
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Had to "tolerate" a neighbor's heavy second-hand smoke years ago. (Glad i don't live near any smokers these days...)
 
2014-01-10 02:08:39 AM
I wonder how ole Mitzy would feel about a ban on sandwiches.

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2014-01-10 02:09:08 AM
it's always better to own than rent.
 
2014-01-10 02:10:11 AM

brimed03: Depends on the ventilation systems. The dorms I used to supervise, smells traveled easily up the columns of rooms because that's how the vent patterns ran and they used the cheapest systems possible so there was no odor (or sound) baffling. So I can understand banning smoking. One resident's dirty habit shouldn't stink up another's nose, furniture, and clothes.  Dealing with curry or fish cooking was always a fun issue too.


You don't even need to have a shared ventilation system.  Most of the apartments I've ever lived in had had crappy air seals between units.  I could always tell when a neighbor was cooking something exotic or when they were hitting the bong.

This would be less of an issue if apartments were required to have real walls between units.  I should be able to have a senior next door who turns the TV to 11 while watching Jeopardy and I shouldn't be able to hear.
 
2014-01-10 02:16:14 AM
Smoking Bandit to the rescue! Sh-sh-ah!
 
2014-01-10 02:37:41 AM
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2014-01-10 02:38:49 AM
www.rawstory.com
 
2014-01-10 02:47:13 AM
Foeget about health concerns. The stench is all the reason you need to support such a ban.
 
2014-01-10 02:55:03 AM
Don't you people realize that smokers by definition want to smoke, and therefore that is the only reason that should ever be necessary to allow anyone to constantly incinerate this unbelievable potpourri of harmful and repulsive chemicals in everyone else's personal living space?
 
2014-01-10 02:58:48 AM
Pot smokers will just switch to edibles or using filters.

//suck it, nicotine suckers
 
2014-01-10 02:58:51 AM

Dwight_Yeast: TuteTibiImperes: feckingmorons: Yep, sticking it to the poor again. 'Affordable housing' bans smoking inside one's own apartment. Gestapo I tell you.

It's a trend that seems to have been picking up in non-subsidized housing as well, unfortunately.  On one hand the landlords should have certain rights over their properties, but on the other the tenants should have rights of their own.

Bingo!  When you sign a lease, you are renting someone else's property. It is not yours to do with as you wish, and they do legally have a right to tell you what you can and cannot do to some degree.

While the notion of demanding a "smoking deposit" seems reasonable, it might have to be quite large to cover the damage; I've been in places were people apparently smoked for years and the only way you're going to get the smell out is to strip it to the bare studs and tear up the carpet.  That's expensive.

/former smoker
//always left a window cracked, so my place never smelled like the inside of an ashtray.


Yeah! You guys are right!

A PRIVATE property owner should also get to refuse children, pregnant women, and any race they want. After all: it's PRIVATE.

I'll bet $5 neither of you have studied law... or much else.
 
2014-01-10 03:00:18 AM

Dwight_Yeast: so my place never smelled like the inside of an ashtray.


Not to you, at least.
 
2014-01-10 03:13:22 AM

LordJiro: I still wonder why the *fark*, in this day and age, do people *start* smoking? It reeks, it does disgusting things your lungs, teeth, mouth and so on, and it hasn't looked 'Cool' for at least twenty years..


A lot of them start young,  in their teens (when you're most likely to do dumb shiate),  then you're hooked.

DrPainMD: GoldSpider: This is a reasonable measure to control the cost of health care.

And there's the rub; once the government completely takes over health care, they will take away our right to do anything that has even a remote chance of being bad for our health (except dying in foreign countries for oil company profits, of course). In the land of the free.


I see this arguement in every smoking thread and it's just not true.  Show me a place that has government provided health care that has banned smoking because of their health care costs.  It's certainly not banned in Canada,  or the UK as far as I know.
 
2014-01-10 03:15:10 AM
Next on the agenda: firearms
 
2014-01-10 03:17:05 AM

Ready-set: Dwight_Yeast: TuteTibiImperes: feckingmorons: Yep, sticking it to the poor again. 'Affordable housing' bans smoking inside one's own apartment. Gestapo I tell you.

It's a trend that seems to have been picking up in non-subsidized housing as well, unfortunately.  On one hand the landlords should have certain rights over their properties, but on the other the tenants should have rights of their own.

Bingo!  When you sign a lease, you are renting someone else's property. It is not yours to do with as you wish, and they do legally have a right to tell you what you can and cannot do to some degree.

While the notion of demanding a "smoking deposit" seems reasonable, it might have to be quite large to cover the damage; I've been in places were people apparently smoked for years and the only way you're going to get the smell out is to strip it to the bare studs and tear up the carpet.  That's expensive.

/former smoker
//always left a window cracked, so my place never smelled like the inside of an ashtray.

Yeah! You guys are right!

A PRIVATE property owner should also get to refuse children, pregnant women, and any race they want. After all: it's PRIVATE.

I'll bet $5 neither of you have studied law... or much else.


Yes, because who lives on a property is equivalent to what tenants do on a property.  Protip:  being a smoker isn't the same as being black.  I'll bet $5 you have no farking clue what you're talking about.
 
2014-01-10 03:38:59 AM

Dwight_Yeast: TuteTibiImperes: feckingmorons: Yep, sticking it to the poor again. 'Affordable housing' bans smoking inside one's own apartment. Gestapo I tell you.

It's a trend that seems to have been picking up in non-subsidized housing as well, unfortunately.  On one hand the landlords should have certain rights over their properties, but on the other the tenants should have rights of their own.

Bingo!  When you sign a lease, you are renting someone else's property. It is not yours to do with as you wish, and they do legally have a right to tell you what you can and cannot do to some degree.

While the notion of demanding a "smoking deposit" seems reasonable, it might have to be quite large to cover the damage; I've been in places were people apparently smoked for years and the only way you're going to get the smell out is to strip it to the bare studs and tear up the carpet.  That's expensive.

/former smoker
//always left a window cracked, so my place never smelled like the inside of an ashtray.


Hahaha another smoker who thinks his shut don't stink. You probably think being outdoors makes it all magically go away too while you lnow smoke in my face while I'm trying to eat on a patio don't you?
 
2014-01-10 03:40:18 AM

Ready-set: A PRIVATE property owner should also get to refuse children, pregnant women, and any race they want. After all: it's PRIVATE.

I'll bet $5 neither of you have studied law... or much else.


You may want to do a little research yourself on what a protected class is. Smokers aren't a protected class, so they are fair game if someone doesn't want them living in their rental property, same as pet owners.
 
2014-01-10 03:41:58 AM
Every lease I've ever had on a rental place has prohibited smoking indoors.. 7 places over 15+ years. Not sure why this is shocking or outrageous.
 
2014-01-10 03:59:52 AM

Ready-set: Dwight_Yeast: TuteTibiImperes: feckingmorons: Yep, sticking it to the poor again. 'Affordable housing' bans smoking inside one's own apartment. Gestapo I tell you.

It's a trend that seems to have been picking up in non-subsidized housing as well, unfortunately.  On one hand the landlords should have certain rights over their properties, but on the other the tenants should have rights of their own.

Bingo!  When you sign a lease, you are renting someone else's property. It is not yours to do with as you wish, and they do legally have a right to tell you what you can and cannot do to some degree.

While the notion of demanding a "smoking deposit" seems reasonable, it might have to be quite large to cover the damage; I've been in places were people apparently smoked for years and the only way you're going to get the smell out is to strip it to the bare studs and tear up the carpet.  That's expensive.

/former smoker
//always left a window cracked, so my place never smelled like the inside of an ashtray.

Yeah! You guys are right!

A PRIVATE property owner should also get to refuse children, pregnant women, and any race they want. After all: it's PRIVATE.

I'll bet $5 neither of you have studied law... or much else.


and where is you FARK law degree?

Seriously, stuff it before you make yourself seem even dumber
 
2014-01-10 04:07:58 AM

msupf: A PRIVATE property owner should also get to refuse children, pregnant women, and any race they want. After all: it's PRIVATE.

I'll bet $5 neither of you have studied law... or much else.

and where is you FARK law degree?

Seriously, stuff it before you make yourself seem even dumber



Apparently they are handing our GEDs in Law in Cracker Jack boxes now.
 
2014-01-10 04:35:42 AM
What if when they make pot legal in Florida.. a person "takes" their "medication" in the apartment?  Smoking is smoking.
 
2014-01-10 05:27:45 AM
You know who ELSE hated smoking?
 
2014-01-10 05:41:14 AM
Property owners should be able to decide that.

Smokers aren't a protected class.

It smells horrible and it causes me headaches and full blown migraines sometimes.

I have a friend who says "it should be my FREEDOM to smoke!" and after a while of listening to him biatching I told him: "Yes, and it is. No one is telling you that you can't. People that own buildings are telling you that you can't on their property, and the majority of the population are telling you that you can't in any place deemed to be open to the public via voting. Tell me where your right to smoke and fill the air with that stank and make my clothes smell my shiat supersedes my right to breathe clean air."

He shut up.

I couldn't care less if he smokes, or anyone smokes. Just keep the smoke out of my airspace, and I'll kindly not fill yours with my biatchy noise pollution. If I own a property: tough shiat. I own it, and you're not allowed to inherently cause damage to it from your habit. Go outside. Also, stop throwing your damn cigarette butts on the ground. It's straight up littering, you assholes. I can't tell you how much it pissed me off when another one of my friends told me that I need to have a coffee can with sand or something outside for the smokers to put their cigarettes out in so they don't have to throw it in my yard. Are you farking kidding me? Put the damn thing out on your shoe and walk 10 steps to the trashcan. THERE'S your ashtray.

Dicks.
 
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