I drunk what: whenever you're ready lad, please proceed...
RobSeace: It's sad really
I drunk what: or if you prefer we can wait to see if grump is capable of progress...?
grumpfuff: You bore me. You're boring. I'm bored.
I drunk what: I drunk what: or if you prefer we can wait to see if grump is capable of progress...?grumpfuff: You bore me. You're boring. I'm bored.perhaps another year, then eh? I believe we have our answer, thanks
RobSeace: I don't even know what there is to argue about with this story
RobSeace: The groups that refused to take the money were pretty stupid, IMHO
RobSeace: What is there to argue about?
I drunk what: RobSeace: It's sad reallysad because it's True...?
I drunk what: did you read the thread? i'm sure there is something in there you might take exception with...?
RobSeace: I'm certainly not gnostic in any way, at least regarding the question of a deity
RobSeace: It's sad, because you've been reduced to just posting nonsense as a parody of what you imagine atheists to be rather than just posting as yourself... I used to enjoy arguments with the real you... This fake atheist persona you've created is just an unfunny moron...
RobSeace: I think everyone is agnostic
RobSeace: because the only way you can really know for 100% sure is to be dead
RobSeace: the final two posts in the thread are mine.
I drunk what: ftfy, however those that dare to claim over 51% are gnostics in my book, and my book is the only one that matters, let it go lad
HindiDiscoMonster: Christians have attributes that must be met in order to be Christian, just as Scientists have certain attributes in order to be true Scientists, same with Attorneys, Judges, Journalists, etc... just because someone calls themselves a one eyed one horned flying purple people eater does not make that statement true.
HindiDiscoMonster: I am very sorry about your brain Aneurysm or whatever happened to you... but if this is all you have left, I am afraid I will have to say adios.
HindiDiscoMonster: You used to be a good debater
HindiDiscoMonster: I couldn't care less if you are or are not.
HindiDiscoMonster: see how simple that is?
I drunk what: what physical properties does Science have? does it exist?
I drunk what: hough you no longer have any detectable ways of knowing if Julius Casear existed either, so then would it be safe to assume that you don't believe he ever existed either, just because you cannot detect him now?
I drunk what: the fact that a blind person can describe the color yellow to me does seem to indicate they have had some sort of encounter (directly or indirectly) with colors at some point....
I drunk what: they have sufficient evidence to convince me that physical beings exist somewhere in the universe, and we can at least start from there...
RobSeace: His prior ravings were just him playing anti-IDW, the pretend atheist...
Lee451: Words have meanings and it is good to know what those meanings are.
I drunk what: even if he constantly forgets all the stuff we already covered
RobSeace: The general concept or idea of science only exists in our minds, like all such concepts and ideas
RobSeace: But, how do you setup a test for whether or not a deity exists?
RobSeace: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"
RobSeace: because nothing about his supposed existence seems incredible or particularly fantastical
RobSeace: Some recorded details of his life might have been invented
HindiDiscoMonster: I mean after God showed them sign after sign after sign, they loose faith along the way? I mean WTF... seriously.
HindiDiscoMonster: or cognitive dissonance... or something, not even sure what to call it
bunner: Is this the thread where either everybody is an enlightened, non-believing, non-straight, non-white, non-male or DESTROYING THE PLANET!? Because so far, a bunch of smirky twats getting "enlightened" on daddy's dime playing "Gotcha!" hasn't saved it. : ) themoreyouknow.jpg
I drunk what: so then concepts, ideas, etc.. (or "information" if you will) do not exist because they have no physical properties, it is only our "minds" that give them the illusion of existing?
I drunk what: so then, what sort of extra ordinary evidence do you suppose would be required to prove that a deity exists...?I'll give you a hint:
I drunk what: so then... the ONLY way you would believe that Jesus is The Son of God is IF his existence had nothing incredible or fantastical?? is this one of them catch 22 things?
I drunk what: you are ok with the possibility that there might have been some dude named Jesus that lived in the middle east somewhere, who might have done some carpentry or something...
I drunk what: i have faith that physical beings are incapable of imagining non-physical things
I drunk what: i have faith that men are completely incapable of maintaining a hoax over 1000s of years through 40+ authors (including untold amounts of witnesses)
I drunk what: Do things happen from nothing?
I drunk what: sure you do, for you see the first step to convince IDW is being able to convince yourself... :)
I drunk what: and if you have in fact stumbled upon the Truth, I'm quite certain that you wouldn't withhold such info from you pal IDW, after all we've been through...?
I drunk what: Nature-Physical is more indifferent than random, it only appears random to those who don't understand its ... (puts on sunglasses) ... Nature.
I drunk what: scientism
I drunk what: brain =/= heart
I drunk what: 3. it could have, do you have any evidence to support your theory? i have a sworn testimony from my subject.
HindiDiscoMonster: you may be right about that
RobSeace: They don't really exist externally to our minds, no
RobSeace: I mean, we could write them down in books
RobSeace: In a way, you could say they exist physically within our minds
RobSeace: since all memories and knowledge are just neurons in our brains wired in certain ways and firing in certain patterns
RobSeace: Sure, anyone witnessing his supposed miracles likely would believe..
HindiDiscoMonster: I mean after God showed them sign after sign after sign, they loose faith along the way? I mean WTF... seriously... that is a serious lack of faith problem or cognative disonance... or something, not even sure what to call it.
RobSeace: Even I might, though I'd probably be pretty skeptical
RobSeace: But, I've never witnessed any such thing... And, as I said, second-hand recounting of things others supposedly witnessed are not very compelling to those who weren't there to witness it themselves... People are known to lie, exagerate, misremember, and just generally be unreliable witnesses... Now, add in a time gap of a couple millennia, and make all those second-hand tales third, fourth, and more times removed tales, when we all know that stories change with every retelling... What you end up with is a collection of stories one can't trust to be accurate...
RobSeace: To get me to accept that fire-breathing dragons exist, I'm afraid you're going to need to show me one..
RobSeace: That, I think, is what is really important about Jesus: his teachings... Not whether or not he walked on water or turned water into wine or healed cripples with his touch... It's his ideas that matter
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