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2014-01-10 08:38:55 AM  
can someone please read the article and tell me what the chemical is?
 
2014-01-10 08:40:00 AM  
It would be ironic if coal mining finally did end up rendering the entire state uninhabitable; just not in a way that anyone had really anticipated.. Contamminated ground water might stay that way for centuries or longer, once you wreck it it is wrecked.
 
2014-01-10 08:41:46 AM  

utah dude: can someone please read the article and tell me what the chemical is?


"The leaked product is 4-Methylcyclohexane Methanol, which is used in the froth flotation process of coal washing and preparation."
 
2014-01-10 08:43:07 AM  
I work for the WV state legislature, and we just started our annual session on Wednesday.  There have been times, through the years, that I've made the 20-mile drive to work on roads covered with ice and snow, and my dominant thought was, seriously, "I hope I make it at least X more miles before I have to call the tow truck," and not ONCE did I even consider seeing if work would be cancelled, or if I could call off.

Last night, around 7pm, I got a call from my supervisor.  The Senate President told her to tell her staff to take the day off.  That's when I knew this was a big freaking deal.
 
2014-01-10 08:43:43 AM  

utah dude: can someone please read the article and tell me what the chemical is?


oh wait, it's  4-METHYL-1-CYCLOHEXANEMETHANOL, not4-Methylcyclohexane methanol . chesses, people, would you phuqeing please pay attention in the nomenclature section of O-chem?

or better yet use some sorta IUPAC naming.
 
2014-01-10 08:45:51 AM  
FTFA:  WVAW has also been working with a chemist from DuPont and Laura Jordan says he's found that the chemical is leaking at ground level.

Jordan says there is a possibility this leak has been going on for sometime before it was discovered Thursday.


Well isn't that farkin' awesome!

/cannot wait until FREEDOM makes an official statement at 10:30am today
//does "Seppuku" have one 'p' or two?
 
2014-01-10 08:47:53 AM  

Nightenstaff: FTFA:  WVAW has also been working with a chemist from DuPont and Laura Jordan says he's found that the chemical is leaking at ground level.

Jordan says there is a possibility this leak has been going on for sometime before it was discovered Thursday.

Well isn't that farkin' awesome!

/cannot wait until FREEDOM makes an official statement at 10:30am today
//does "Seppuku" have one 'p' or two?


That's what you get for naming your business after one of your worship words.
 
2014-01-10 08:49:04 AM  

utah dude: utah dude: can someone please read the article and tell me what the chemical is?

oh wait, it's  4-METHYL-1-CYCLOHEXANEMETHANOL, not4-Methylcyclohexane methanol . chesses, people, would you phuqeing please pay attention in the nomenclature section of O-chem?

or better yet use some sorta IUPAC naming.


1-(hydroxymethyl)-4-methylcyclohexane even better.
 
2014-01-10 08:53:40 AM  

obamadidcoke: I'm sure that Freedom Industries will cover all of the costs of the clean up.



Yeah, just like B.P.
 
2014-01-10 08:58:54 AM  
I live in one of the affected counties and they're bringing in water from other areas/sources. Last night there were runs on grocery/convenience stores and police were called in at some locations to keep the peace.
/love living here BTW!
//took a shower this AM and no ill effects
 
2014-01-10 08:59:12 AM  

Triumph: Jesus. Who needs Al Qaeda?


don't worry. I'm sure DuPont will be slapped with hundreds of dollars in fines. that'll learn em.
 
2014-01-10 08:59:57 AM  
You know who else was dumped things  in the Elk River?


ts1.mm.bing.net
 
2014-01-10 09:09:24 AM  

squealie: I live in one of the affected counties
//took a shower this AM and no ill effects


Yet.
 
2014-01-10 09:13:55 AM  

squealie: I live in one of the affected counties and they're bringing in water from other areas/sources. Last night there were runs on grocery/convenience stores and police were called in at some locations to keep the peace.
/love living here BTW!
//took a shower this AM and no ill effects


Cancer doesn't tend to develop immediately.
 
2014-01-10 09:14:35 AM  
Imagine the response and the news coverage this would get if it was actually a terror attack, dumping this exact same chemical into the water supply. We would have invaded 8 countries by now.
 
2014-01-10 09:20:04 AM  

utah dude: utah dude: utah dude: can someone please read the article and tell me what the chemical is?

oh wait, it's  4-METHYL-1-CYCLOHEXANEMETHANOL, not4-Methylcyclohexane methanol . chesses, people, would you phuqeing please pay attention in the nomenclature section of O-chem?
or better yet use some sorta IUPAC naming.
1-(hydroxymethyl)-4-methylcyclohexane even better.



I prefer a nice trivial name, like Miracle West Virginia Froth Magic™

With all the adverse clinical effects, it must cure something.

I'm off to West Virginia with a big supply of bottles and labels, staying one step ahead of the patent trolls who want royalties on this toxic shiat and get the ad agency on the phone to buy time on the national news shows where all good pharmaceuticals are flogged.
 
2014-01-10 09:20:33 AM  
I get that while Rome is burning may not be the best time to discuss Nero's laws and policies, the fact is that coal companies and companies that produce chemicals and tools for coal companies in the state of West Virginia are basically worshipped as demi-gods. We named our intrastate football rivalry after their lobbying group "Friends of Coal." Every single politician in the state has to basically give lip service to the coal industry every 13.7 minutes, or they will have no chance of being reelected. The EPA is basically seen as a spawn of Satan that serves no purpose in the state. Seriously, listen to ANY WVU or Marshall sports broadcasts, and you will hear a "Friends of Coal" ad for every single commerical break.

And the problem with groups like "Friends of Coal" is that the real purpose is to lower regulation on coal, not to "make West Virginia strong." I know that seems obvious, but people in West Virginia seem completely oblivious to this. I get that coal is a large part of our nation's power, and I get that many people in West Virginia are employed if not directly, then indirectly by coal. But this sort of event is the cost of zero regulation. Friends of Coal has lobbied strongly against chemical regulations, water dumping regulations, and pollutant controls for years now. They've prevented inspections, or decreased their frequency, which prevents the public, who has a vested interest in things like "not dying when you drink tap water," from knowing what risks are present. This is the same group that lobbied against state laws to require building safe rooms with oxygen tanks in mines after, well, I'd name a mining disaster, but they've really become numerous because they've successfully fought against methane monitors being required in highly explosive areas. They are disgusting profiteering using the power of group think and repetition to brainwash the people of West Virginia into truly believing that what is good for coal is always 110% good for the state. This is despite the fact that if coal was going to make the state of West Virginia wealthy, don't you think over 100 years of heavy coal mining later, West Virginia would start to see some returns?

Friends of Coal isn't your friend, and they aren't making West Virginia better or more prosperous. Coal companies aren't inherently noble entities concerned with the working man of West Virginia. Stop sucking their dicks.
 
2014-01-10 09:21:49 AM  
Huck And Molly Ziegler:

"Freedom Industries"?? Seriously?

You don't know much about the laughable PR processes that the absentee coal companies and their ilk are prone to using I take it?

Don't forget "Patriot Coal" which, despite record profits and being the second largest coal mining operation east of the Mississippi is going through bankruptcy and will be reducing or eliminating health care and retirement benefits for all of its workers while executives and middle management all received pay raises and bonuses just prior to that announcement.

Appalachia in general is a beautiful and wonderful place. But places like southern WV, eastern KY, and western VA are still very steeped in rural tradition. I was brought up understanding that if you promised someone something, you kept that promise, and that a handshake might as well be a legally binding contract. These companies use that kind of naming to play to the immense pride that people from the region have for themselves and their country. Then they turn around and do things on the cheap and carry all the profits back across state lines while leaving a wasteland behind them.

That's not to say that coal mining doesn't have an important place in the economies of those states, but there need to be tougher, tighter regulations on a STATE level to keep the money where it comes from and prevent the decimation of these states' other resources.
 
2014-01-10 09:24:44 AM  
 
2014-01-10 09:25:26 AM  

Headso: Imagine the response and the news coverage this would get if it was actually a terror attack, dumping this exact same chemical into the water supply. We would have invaded 8 countries by now.


ISLAM DID IT.
 
2014-01-10 09:25:37 AM  
Now what really gets me about all the facebook traffic I'm seeing from friends back home in Charlie West is that NOBODY seems to remember that you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a stream in the 9 affected counties, and that all you need is a couple of jerry cans and some of this:
img.fark.net
 
2014-01-10 09:29:08 AM  

Alphax: Huck And Molly Ziegler: "Freedom Industries"?? Seriously?

It's got to be Orwellian.


Why do you hate Freedom?!


/'murica
 
2014-01-10 09:30:42 AM  

tallen702: Now what really gets me about all the facebook traffic I'm seeing from friends back home in Charlie West is that NOBODY seems to remember that you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a stream in the 9 affected counties, and that all you need is a couple of jerry cans and some of this:
[img.fark.net image 300x300]


That kills bacteria so that they won't kill you, but won't clean chemical contamination from water.
 
2014-01-10 09:30:53 AM  

tallen702: Now what really gets me about all the facebook traffic I'm seeing from friends back home in Charlie West is that NOBODY seems to remember that you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a stream in the 9 affected counties, and that all you need is a couple of jerry cans and some of this:
[img.fark.net image 300x300]


I hope you're trying to be funny.

Just in case anyone doesn't get it, those tablets are used specifically for killing common types of microbiology in the water. Non-life chemicals would be unaffected.
 
2014-01-10 09:35:47 AM  

tallen702: STATE level


tallen702: and that all you need is a couple of jerry cans and some of this:


forget it brehs, it's libertariantown...
 
2014-01-10 09:37:51 AM  
" 4-Methylcyclohexane Methanol, is not toxic but is harmful if swallowed."

 That's a definition of non-toxic that I was previously unaware of
 
2014-01-10 09:41:46 AM  

DBSmiley: tallen702: Now what really gets me about all the facebook traffic I'm seeing from friends back home in Charlie West is that NOBODY seems to remember that you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a stream in the 9 affected counties, and that all you need is a couple of jerry cans and some of this:
[img.fark.net image 300x300]

I hope you're trying to be funny.

Just in case anyone doesn't get it, those tablets are used specifically for killing common types of microbiology in the water. Non-life chemicals would be unaffected.


He's saying if you're on a tributary to the elk, you have drinking water.

Water doesn't flow uphill (for the most part, ymmv, capillary action, etc.)
 
2014-01-10 09:44:23 AM  
Thingster:

He's saying if you're on a tributary to the elk, you have drinking water.

Water doesn't flow uphill (for the most part, ymmv, capillary action, etc.)


Ah...then I simply misunderstood his implication.
 
2014-01-10 09:44:28 AM  

KarmicDisaster: tallen702: Now what really gets me about all the facebook traffic I'm seeing from friends back home in Charlie West is that NOBODY seems to remember that you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a stream in the 9 affected counties, and that all you need is a couple of jerry cans and some of this:
[img.fark.net image 300x300]

That kills bacteria so that they won't kill you, but won't clean chemical contamination from water.



He's not advocating taking water from the Elk or Kanawha (where the contamination is)...but one of the other MILLIONS of feeder streams around.  Ya know, headwaters state n' all...
 
2014-01-10 09:46:04 AM  

KarmicDisaster: Water? You mean, like, from the toilet?


Oh FFS. I even had the image ready to hotlink anaw. Well played,  KarmicDisaster.

Look, see?
johnmilleker.com
 
2014-01-10 09:51:47 AM  

CalvinMorallis: I work for the WV state legislature, and we just started our annual session on Wednesday.  There have been times, through the years, that I've made the 20-mile drive to work on roads covered with ice and snow, and my dominant thought was, seriously, "I hope I make it at least X more miles before I have to call the tow truck," and not ONCE did I even consider seeing if work would be cancelled, or if I could call off.

Last night, around 7pm, I got a call from my supervisor.  The Senate President told her to tell her staff to take the day off.  That's when I knew this was a big freaking deal.



Yeah my GF and father work there too...we were shocked as well (I might know you?)

I work 1 mile from the spill and live 3 miles from it....had no clue until 8pm last night and a buddy called to say stop drinking the water (all i drink is  water...and beer).  I had been drinking for awhile, never heard or saw any emergency broadcasts.   WV American water didn't even call me until 6:30 this morning to tell me to not use water!!

When I got the mail last night I could smell licorice...didn't give it much thought as weird smells in the Chemical Valley aren't exactly something new...My toilet water was starting to smell the same this morning.

(why yes, I was sniffing the toilet)
 
2014-01-10 09:57:00 AM  

DBSmiley: Thingster:

He's saying if you're on a tributary to the elk, you have drinking water.

Water doesn't flow uphill (for the most part, ymmv, capillary action, etc.)

Ah...then I simply misunderstood his implication.


It took me a second, too. My first thought was the same as yours before it clicked.
 
2014-01-10 09:57:37 AM  

2KanZam: CalvinMorallis: I work for the WV state legislature, and we just started our annual session on Wednesday.  There have been times, through the years, that I've made the 20-mile drive to work on roads covered with ice and snow, and my dominant thought was, seriously, "I hope I make it at least X more miles before I have to call the tow truck," and not ONCE did I even consider seeing if work would be cancelled, or if I could call off.

Last night, around 7pm, I got a call from my supervisor.  The Senate President told her to tell her staff to take the day off.  That's when I knew this was a big freaking deal.


Yeah my GF and father work there too...we were shocked as well (I might know you?)

I work 1 mile from the spill and live 3 miles from it....had no clue until 8pm last night and a buddy called to say stop drinking the water (all i drink is  water...and beer).  I had been drinking for awhile, never heard or saw any emergency broadcasts.   WV American water didn't even call me until 6:30 this morning to tell me to not use water!!

When I got the mail last night I could smell licorice...didn't give it much thought as weird smells in the Chemical Valley aren't exactly something new...My toilet water was starting to smell the same this morning.

(why yes, I was sniffing the toilet)


You must not watch TV. I live in NE Ky and there were crawls running across various broadcasts from the time I got home at 5:15, plus that was almost the only thing WSAZ talked about on the newscasts.
 
2014-01-10 09:59:01 AM  

utah dude: utah dude: utah dude: can someone please read the article and tell me what the chemical is?

oh wait, it's  4-METHYL-1-CYCLOHEXANEMETHANOL, not4-Methylcyclohexane methanol . chesses, people, would you phuqeing please pay attention in the nomenclature section of O-chem?

or better yet use some sorta IUPAC naming.

1-(hydroxymethyl)-4-methylcyclohexane even better.


I've been going with (4-methylcyclohexyl)methanol, but yours is perfectly cromulent as well.
 
2014-01-10 10:00:28 AM  
Great post on friends of coal. Every time I see those stickers on cars it makes my blood boil. Same with the "leave our planet-destroying industry alone!" billboards
 
2014-01-10 10:01:55 AM  

Thingster: DBSmiley: tallen702: Now what really gets me about all the facebook traffic I'm seeing from friends back home in Charlie West is that NOBODY seems to remember that you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a stream in the 9 affected counties, and that all you need is a couple of jerry cans and some of this:
[img.fark.net image 300x300]

I hope you're trying to be funny.

Just in case anyone doesn't get it, those tablets are used specifically for killing common types of microbiology in the water. Non-life chemicals would be unaffected.

He's saying if you're on a tributary to the elk, you have drinking water.

Water doesn't flow uphill (for the most part, ymmv, capillary action, etc.)


Yep. You got it.
 
2014-01-10 10:03:03 AM  

KarmicDisaster: tallen702: Now what really gets me about all the facebook traffic I'm seeing from friends back home in Charlie West is that NOBODY seems to remember that you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a stream in the 9 affected counties, and that all you need is a couple of jerry cans and some of this:
[img.fark.net image 300x300]

That kills bacteria so that they won't kill you, but won't clean chemical contamination from water.


DBSmiley: tallen702: Now what really gets me about all the facebook traffic I'm seeing from friends back home in Charlie West is that NOBODY seems to remember that you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a stream in the 9 affected counties, and that all you need is a couple of jerry cans and some of this:
[img.fark.net image 300x300]

I hope you're trying to be funny.

Just in case anyone doesn't get it, those tablets are used specifically for killing common types of microbiology in the water. Non-life chemicals would be unaffected.


I think you guys missed a very important part of what I said.

One river, the Elk, is contaminated (well, I guess the Kanawha is too since the Elk flows into it, but I don't think anyone would try to drink Kanawha river water anyway). If Minnesota is the land of a thousand lakes, WV is the land of a million streams and springs. If I lived up in Roane County, I'd hit up spring creek down near Speed (near its headwaters) around Bent Hill. Fill up some jerry cans, pop in the tabs, and you're good to go for some time.

People in the vicinity of South Hills in Charleston can hit up some of the tributaries of Davis Creek in the KSF area. Especially up the hollow past the swimming pool as that water is what  feeds the pool and is perfectly safe with a little iodine to kill any wayward bacteria.

You've also got Rush Creek, Cabin Creek, Alum Creek, etc etc. etc. that run through the major metro area of Charleston.

Now, I'd keep my eyes out for any creek that has a sewer line running parallel (eg. the small creeks that come down into South Park and South Ruffner) and stay away from those, but yeah, a couple tablets and a source other than the Elk and you'll be good.
 
2014-01-10 10:05:09 AM  
tallen702: Right. We just misunderstood what you were saying.

I'm from South Hills (though living in Indiana at present), so I know the area.
 
2014-01-10 10:08:11 AM  

QueenMamaBee: 2KanZam: CalvinMorallis: I work for the WV state legislature, and we just started our annual session on Wednesday.  There have been times, through the years, that I've made the 20-mile drive to work on roads covered with ice and snow, and my dominant thought was, seriously, "I hope I make it at least X more miles before I have to call the tow truck," and not ONCE did I even consider seeing if work would be cancelled, or if I could call off.

Last night, around 7pm, I got a call from my supervisor.  The Senate President told her to tell her staff to take the day off.  That's when I knew this was a big freaking deal.


Yeah my GF and father work there too...we were shocked as well (I might know you?)

I work 1 mile from the spill and live 3 miles from it....had no clue until 8pm last night and a buddy called to say stop drinking the water (all i drink is  water...and beer).  I had been drinking for awhile, never heard or saw any emergency broadcasts.   WV American water didn't even call me until 6:30 this morning to tell me to not use water!!

When I got the mail last night I could smell licorice...didn't give it much thought as weird smells in the Chemical Valley aren't exactly something new...My toilet water was starting to smell the same this morning.

(why yes, I was sniffing the toilet)

You must not watch TV. I live in NE Ky and there were crawls running across various broadcasts from the time I got home at 5:15, plus that was almost the only thing WSAZ talked about on the newscasts.



I actually don't watch a ton, but it was on all eve (not on a local station tho)...I did not see ONE ticker all night.  You would think the Emerg Broadcast system would have done an alarm.  A lot of people I work with didn't even know until they came to work this morn.  There is definitely something broken in the system.

Again, WVAW didn't even call until nearly 24 hours after the incident!!
 
2014-01-10 10:12:39 AM  
Government needs to stay out of this and let the free market decide what to do.
 
2014-01-10 10:16:11 AM  

2KanZam: QueenMamaBee: 2KanZam: CalvinMorallis: I work for the WV state legislature, and we just started our annual session on Wednesday.  There have been times, through the years, that I've made the 20-mile drive to work on roads covered with ice and snow, and my dominant thought was, seriously, "I hope I make it at least X more miles before I have to call the tow truck," and not ONCE did I even consider seeing if work would be cancelled, or if I could call off.

Last night, around 7pm, I got a call from my supervisor.  The Senate President told her to tell her staff to take the day off.  That's when I knew this was a big freaking deal.


Yeah my GF and father work there too...we were shocked as well (I might know you?)

I work 1 mile from the spill and live 3 miles from it....had no clue until 8pm last night and a buddy called to say stop drinking the water (all i drink is  water...and beer).  I had been drinking for awhile, never heard or saw any emergency broadcasts.   WV American water didn't even call me until 6:30 this morning to tell me to not use water!!

When I got the mail last night I could smell licorice...didn't give it much thought as weird smells in the Chemical Valley aren't exactly something new...My toilet water was starting to smell the same this morning.

(why yes, I was sniffing the toilet)

You must not watch TV. I live in NE Ky and there were crawls running across various broadcasts from the time I got home at 5:15, plus that was almost the only thing WSAZ talked about on the newscasts.


I actually don't watch a ton, but it was on all eve (not on a local station tho)...I did not see ONE ticker all night.  You would think the Emerg Broadcast system would have done an alarm.  A lot of people I work with didn't even know until they came to work this morn.  There is definitely something broken in the system.

Again, WVAW didn't even call until nearly 24 hours after the incident!!


That is crap, although I'm not entirely surprised. If we have any water incidents (although *knock on wood* they've not been anywhere near this serious), I read it in the paper "Oh you should have been boiling your water for the past two days.. oops!"

My TV was on WSAZ for most of the evening, because for some ungodly reason Lil Bee has a fascination with NBC Nightly News, Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy, and it seems like there was always a crawl at the bottom. I don't think we had it on any other channel though, so I don't know how well other channels covered it.
 
2014-01-10 10:26:58 AM  
Came to this thread figuring it would be full of anti coal, anti natural gas derp.

/leaving satisfied
 
2014-01-10 10:44:52 AM  

Peki: //showed up to work once to federal officers holding loaded M4s. That was an interesting day.


Why?  What had you done that warranted that kind of response?
 
2014-01-10 10:45:03 AM  

WTFDYW: Came to this thread figuring it would be full of anti coal, anti natural gas derp.

/leaving satisfied, having contributed nothing to the conversation


FTFY
 
2014-01-10 11:05:39 AM  

QueenMamaBee: WTFDYW: Came to this thread figuring it would be full of anti coal, anti natural gas derp.

/leaving satisfied, having contributed nothing to the conversation

FTFY


DAW. You poor thing.
 
2014-01-10 11:07:54 AM  
 Dupont has turned WV into a chemical shiathole. This is just another example of the "benefits" of having their industry in your state.
 
2014-01-10 11:10:00 AM  
On a side note, there are a lot more local WV Farkers than I thought.

/Lives in Tornado
//Did I slashie right?
 
2014-01-10 11:10:11 AM  
Just came from one of the water stations in Lincoln County and the county emergency folks say they have no idea when the emergency order will be lifted.
 /also the truck driver bringing in the water is from PA and after he unloads this shipment of water he's back to PA to load up again and bring another load back to WV
//also all restaurants, schools, day cares, courthouses, libraries, etc, etc are closed
 
2014-01-10 11:15:28 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

You mean I was lied to?
 
2014-01-10 11:17:10 AM  
 The worst part is that you know it has to be pretty bad if they're issuing a ban on using the water. If it were just enough that some percentage may get cancer it's doubtful the company or the state would say anything. With them issuing a warning that most likely means that people would be coming up sick or dead in large numbers.
 
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