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2014-01-09 10:57:07 PM  
Oh boy work will be fun tomorrow. I work for American Water, and my office handles Kanawha Valley
 
2014-01-09 11:00:53 PM  
Jesus. Who needs Al Qaeda?
 
2014-01-10 12:10:00 AM  

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Oh boy work will be fun tomorrow. I work for American Water, and my office handles Kanawha Valley


Good luck!

/at least you got warning
//showed up to work once to federal officers holding loaded M4s. That was an interesting day.
 
2014-01-10 12:12:47 AM  
Has Rep. Joe Barton apologized to the company for over regulation yet?
 
2014-01-10 12:29:51 AM  
Sure as hell ain't for bathin'
 
2014-01-10 12:40:43 AM  
used in the froth flotation process of coal washing and preparation

Fracking material was my first guess, but I was pretty sure it was going to be something coal/oil related.
 
2014-01-10 03:47:21 AM  

fusillade762: used in the froth flotation process of coal washing and preparation

Fracking material was my first guess, but I was pretty sure it was going to be something coal/oil related.


Wow, given that it's in West by god Virginia, you've got a TV-psychic-like ability going there. Can you tell us who will win the 2016 Presidential election and be shot by a crazed gunman next week? ;)
 
2014-01-10 03:51:59 AM  
Water? You mean, like, from the toilet?
 
2014-01-10 03:53:07 AM  
"...after a leak at Freedom Industries"

Of farking course.
 
2014-01-10 03:54:23 AM  

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Oh boy work will be fun tomorrow. I work for American Water, and my office handles Kanawha Valley


It's up to nine counties as of a few hours ago... http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/09/22245996-west-virginia-che m ical-spill-cuts-water-to-up-to-300000-homes-state-of-emergency-declare d?lite

"The advisory was expanded at night to nine counties and includes West Virginia American Water customers in Boone, Cabell, Clay, Jackson, Kanawha, Lincoln, Logan, Putnam, and Roane counties. "

Sounds like a good time to vacation pretty much anywhere else... assuming one can afford it.
 
2014-01-10 03:57:55 AM  

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Oh boy work will be fun tomorrow. I work for American Water, and my office handles Kanawha Valley


You sound awful.  You really shouldn't go to work when you've got a cold.  Take a sick day.
 
2014-01-10 03:59:45 AM  
Nothing like licorice scented tetramethyldeath in your morning coffee. Makes me wonder what else lurks in the groundwater there.
 
2014-01-10 04:00:02 AM  
It would just be terrible if the EPA levied a fine against "Freedom Industries," because it might hurt their feelings and then they'd take their Job Creator-ing elsewhere.

"Freedom Industries"?? Seriously?
 
2014-01-10 04:00:52 AM  
Have many family members in Kanawha County. They're not having a good time with this.  Thanks coal industry.
 
2014-01-10 04:10:35 AM  
Methylcyclohexanol

Clinical Effects:
0.2.1 SUMMARY OF EXPOSURE
0.2.1.1 ACUTE EXPOSURE
A) Exposure may occur by inhalation, ingestion, or
percutaneous routes. Data on toxic effects in humans
are limited. Cyclohexanol is an eye, nose, throat, and
skin irritant. Central nervous system depression may
occur.
B) Signs and symptoms of exposure may include seizures,
ataxia, lacrimation, corneal necrosis, salivation,
nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. Kidney, liver, and
vascular injury and myocardial necrosis have been
reported in experimental animals.
0.2.3 VITAL SIGNS
0.2.4 HEENT
0.2.4.1 ACUTE EXPOSURE
A) Conjunctivitis, lacrimation, and irritation of mucous
membranes may occur.
0.2.5 CARDIOVASCULAR
0.2.5.1 ACUTE EXPOSURE
A) Myocardial necrosis was observed in animals.
0.2.7 NEUROLOGIC
0.2.7.1 ACUTE EXPOSURE
A) Headache, tremor, and CNS depression may occur.
0.2.8 GASTROINTESTINAL
0.2.8.1 ACUTE EXPOSURE
A) Nausea and vomiting have been reported.
0.2.9 HEPATIC
0.2.9.1 ACUTE EXPOSURE
A) Liver damage was observed in animals.
0.2.10 GENITOURINARY
0.2.10.1 ACUTE EXPOSURE
A) Kidney damage was observed in animals.
0.2.14 DERMATOLOGIC
0.2.14.1 ACUTE EXPOSURE
A) Irritation and defatting of the skin may occur.
0.2.20 REPRODUCTIVE HAZARDS
A) Fertility was reduced in male rats and gerbils following
daily ingestions of cyclohexanol.
0.2.21 CARCINOGENICITY
0.2.21.1 IARC CATEGORY
A) IARC Carcinogenicity Ratings for CAS108-93-0 (IARC
Working Group on the Evaluation of Carcinogenic Risks
to Humans, 2006; IARC Working Group on the Evaluation
of Carcinogenic Risks to Humans, 2007; IARC Working
Group on the Evaluation of Carcinogenic Risks to
Humans, 2010; IARC Working Group on the Evaluation of
Carcinogenic Risks to Humans, 2010a; IARC Working Group
on the Evaluation of Carcinogenic Risks to Humans,
2008; IARC, 2004):
1) Not Listed
0.2.22 GENOTOXICITY
A) When tested in several strains of Salmonella
typhimurium, cyclohexanol was NOT mutagenic in
concentrations of 500 mcg/plate, either in the presence
or absence of a rat liver homogenate activation system
(HSDB , 2002).
B) A cytogenetic effect was reported in human leukocyte
cells with a cyclohexanol dose of 100 mcmol/L (RTECS,
2002).

Process for coal flotation using 4-methyl cyclohexane methanol frothers
 
2014-01-10 04:12:27 AM  
Are they absolutely sure you can use it to put out fires?  Because if they are close enough to fracking country, then it may not work for that, either.
 
2014-01-10 04:12:51 AM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: "Freedom Industries"?? Seriously?


It's got to be Orwellian.
 
2014-01-10 04:25:03 AM  

jmr61: Have many family members in Kanawha County. They're not having a good time with this.  Thanks coal industry.


This post is not a repeat from the last 150 years.
 
2014-01-10 04:39:30 AM  
I bet the business responsible gets fined an whole month's worth of net profit. That will teach 'em!
 
2014-01-10 04:42:28 AM  

KarmicDisaster: Water? You mean, like, from the toilet?


I'm not sure.
 
2014-01-10 04:50:54 AM  

generallyso: I bet the business responsible gets fined an whole month's worth of net profit. That will teach 'em!


Rrr...respobble...resonsible?
 
2014-01-10 04:53:12 AM  
Coal, you mean like powers electric cars?
 
GBB
2014-01-10 06:08:00 AM  

Peki: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Oh boy work will be fun tomorrow. I work for American Water, and my office handles Kanawha Valley

Good luck!

/at least you got warning
//showed up to work once to federal officers holding loaded M4s. That was an interesting day.


Because normally they are unloaded??
 
2014-01-10 06:16:41 AM  
I hope they have it fixed by Saturday - that's bath night in WV.

I grew up in that area, this is just one of many such incidents. The area is called the Chemical Valley for a reason - Dow,  Monsanto, Dupont, FMC, Union Carbide, Bayer, and many others had chemical plants there at one time or still do.
 
2014-01-10 06:19:41 AM  

Xian97: I hope they have it fixed by Saturday - that's bath night in WV.

I grew up in that area, this is just one of many such incidents. The area is called the Chemical Valley for a reason - Dow,  Monsanto, Dupont, FMC, Union Carbide, Bayer, and many others had chemical plants there at one time or still do.


Yep.  And we learned shelter-in-place drills at an early age.
 
2014-01-10 06:28:16 AM  

GBB: Peki: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Oh boy work will be fun tomorrow. I work for American Water, and my office handles Kanawha Valley

Good luck!

/at least you got warning
//showed up to work once to federal officers holding loaded M4s. That was an interesting day.

Because normally they are unloaded??


Heh, yeah, okay that was unnecessary (and not like I could tell anyway, really). I couldn't remember if they were holding them up and aiming, or pointed down at the floor in a ready, but don't want to shoot anyone accidentally pose, so I may have just been going for "ready and alert". Dunno the adjectives for the positions.
 
2014-01-10 06:29:53 AM  
FTFA: "So far there has been no any conclusive results."

Well that's not good.
 
2014-01-10 06:53:52 AM  
Freedom Industries sounds like a company who makes water boarding equipment. Just saying.
 
2014-01-10 06:58:02 AM  
Funny how they didn't get around to mentioning exactly what chemical was leaked until the second article.
 
2014-01-10 06:58:17 AM  

AgentPothead: Freedom Industries sounds like a company who makes water boarding equipment. Just saying.


Must be the deluxe water boarding that leads to skin blistering and non-stop vomiting, and these people get it for free.  Lucky.
 
2014-01-10 07:00:11 AM  

Peki: //showed up to work once to federal officers holding loaded M4s. That was an interesting day.

Because normally they are unloaded??

Heh, yeah, okay that was unnecessary (and not like I could tell anyway, really). I couldn't remember if they were holding them up and aiming, or pointed down at the floor in a ready, but don't want to shoot anyone accidentally pose, so I may have just been going for "ready and alert". Dunno the adjectives for the positions.


Let it henceforth be known as 'The Freedom Position'!
 
2014-01-10 07:02:50 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: jmr61: Have many family members in Kanawha County. They're not having a good time with this.  Thanks coal industry.

This post is not a repeat from the last 150 years.


This.
 
2014-01-10 07:04:29 AM  

Bonzo_1116: Nothing like licorice scented tetramethyldeath in your morning coffee. Makes me wonder what else lurks in the groundwater there.


yea, no shiat. How many times has something like this happened and not been reported. I will bet more than anyone would like to know.
 
2014-01-10 07:04:48 AM  

Triumph: Jesus. Who needs Al Qaeda?


Freaking blue states! Thanks, Obama!
 
2014-01-10 07:11:21 AM  
This is exactly why I only do business with Amalgamated Liberty, Inc..  Freedom Industries just does not have a reliable enough supply.
 
2014-01-10 07:12:14 AM  
FEMA is going there to help with the clean up.  That doesn't sound very bootstrappy.
 
2014-01-10 07:12:57 AM  
That's a pretty big fricken deal.
 
2014-01-10 07:25:41 AM  
I'd be able to use my water (gotta well) if my FARKING PIPES WERE NOT STILL FROZEN! Now I can't even shower at the neighbors.

/polar vortex victim
 
2014-01-10 07:28:44 AM  
Freedom Industries logo is just what I expected.
 
2014-01-10 07:32:27 AM  
For everything else, there's Brawndo.
 
2014-01-10 07:45:46 AM  

Oldiron_79: Coal, you mean like powers electric cars?


Nice deflection.

Although, it would have been wiser to try and stop the puck, rebound shots can be nasty.
 
2014-01-10 07:46:27 AM  
Man, and here at DoomCorp we're busy trying to do this kind of thing on purpose, and a bunch of Freedom-loving scrubs do it on accident!

Do you know how hard it is to set up purposeful chemical spills that LOOK like an accident?
 
2014-01-10 07:47:47 AM  

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Oh boy work will be fun tomorrow. I work for American Water, and my office handles Kanawha Valley


Drink!
 
2014-01-10 07:53:04 AM  
True story. I know a guy who just this week had his couch set on fire by a crazy ex on a meth bender.
 
2014-01-10 07:56:23 AM  

GDubDub: Funny how they didn't get around to mentioning exactly what chemical was leaked until the second article.

Down here in South county when ever this happens the mystery name is called Cicel is in Cicel fuel. Don't scare the folks.
 
2014-01-10 08:04:20 AM  
According to a news release, the leak happened at Freedom Industries in Charleston. The leaked product is 4-Methylcyclohexane Methanol, which is used in the froth flotation process of coal washing and preparation.

I always buy my coal extra frothy so I'm somewhat enraged that this chemical is still to create coal for the non-frothy bunch. In my opinion, frothy coal burns better and is obviously better for the environment.

I know. I'm a hipster coal burner but I was extra frothy way before the other extra frothy coal burning hipsters got in to this.
 
2014-01-10 08:04:27 AM  
We tried to tell you.  We tried to warn you.  But you wouldn't listen, and now look at what has happened.
 
2014-01-10 08:10:30 AM  
Clean Coal! *squawk* Clean Coal! *squawk* Clean Coal! *squawk* Clean Coal!
 
2014-01-10 08:21:15 AM  
Joy. Cabell County is about 20 miles from here.
 
2014-01-10 08:31:29 AM  
Highlights to this ongoing debacle:

How much chemical leaked?  No one knows!  Although, we've been assured it's no more than 5,000lbs.

How dangerous is it?  No one knows!   Apparently, no one ever took the time to see how much one would have to ingest before dying.

What method is used for detection?  No one knows!   Sometimes it shows positive, sometimes negative. Same test, same water.

Now that it's in the water system, will there be lingering effects?  No one knows!   Can't find it now, what makes you think they will know if/when it's flushed out of the system.

On top of the 100,000+ customers directly affected, there's huge ripple effect. Pretty much any business that directly uses water (cook, clean, or wash) is closed and any business that indirectly uses it (bathroom faucets -- public or otherwise) is under strict limited employee attendance policies. One companies colossal fark up is screwing up a quarter of the states population.

/always wondered what to dump in the water supply that would cause mass chaos
//with vacation, weather, and now this, local schools have only had one day of class since December 21st
 
2014-01-10 08:38:55 AM  
can someone please read the article and tell me what the chemical is?
 
2014-01-10 08:40:00 AM  
It would be ironic if coal mining finally did end up rendering the entire state uninhabitable; just not in a way that anyone had really anticipated.. Contamminated ground water might stay that way for centuries or longer, once you wreck it it is wrecked.
 
2014-01-10 08:41:46 AM  

utah dude: can someone please read the article and tell me what the chemical is?


"The leaked product is 4-Methylcyclohexane Methanol, which is used in the froth flotation process of coal washing and preparation."
 
2014-01-10 08:43:07 AM  
I work for the WV state legislature, and we just started our annual session on Wednesday.  There have been times, through the years, that I've made the 20-mile drive to work on roads covered with ice and snow, and my dominant thought was, seriously, "I hope I make it at least X more miles before I have to call the tow truck," and not ONCE did I even consider seeing if work would be cancelled, or if I could call off.

Last night, around 7pm, I got a call from my supervisor.  The Senate President told her to tell her staff to take the day off.  That's when I knew this was a big freaking deal.
 
2014-01-10 08:43:43 AM  

utah dude: can someone please read the article and tell me what the chemical is?


oh wait, it's  4-METHYL-1-CYCLOHEXANEMETHANOL, not4-Methylcyclohexane methanol . chesses, people, would you phuqeing please pay attention in the nomenclature section of O-chem?

or better yet use some sorta IUPAC naming.
 
2014-01-10 08:45:51 AM  
FTFA:  WVAW has also been working with a chemist from DuPont and Laura Jordan says he's found that the chemical is leaking at ground level.

Jordan says there is a possibility this leak has been going on for sometime before it was discovered Thursday.


Well isn't that farkin' awesome!

/cannot wait until FREEDOM makes an official statement at 10:30am today
//does "Seppuku" have one 'p' or two?
 
2014-01-10 08:47:53 AM  

Nightenstaff: FTFA:  WVAW has also been working with a chemist from DuPont and Laura Jordan says he's found that the chemical is leaking at ground level.

Jordan says there is a possibility this leak has been going on for sometime before it was discovered Thursday.

Well isn't that farkin' awesome!

/cannot wait until FREEDOM makes an official statement at 10:30am today
//does "Seppuku" have one 'p' or two?


That's what you get for naming your business after one of your worship words.
 
2014-01-10 08:49:04 AM  

utah dude: utah dude: can someone please read the article and tell me what the chemical is?

oh wait, it's  4-METHYL-1-CYCLOHEXANEMETHANOL, not4-Methylcyclohexane methanol . chesses, people, would you phuqeing please pay attention in the nomenclature section of O-chem?

or better yet use some sorta IUPAC naming.


1-(hydroxymethyl)-4-methylcyclohexane even better.
 
2014-01-10 08:53:40 AM  

obamadidcoke: I'm sure that Freedom Industries will cover all of the costs of the clean up.



Yeah, just like B.P.
 
2014-01-10 08:58:54 AM  
I live in one of the affected counties and they're bringing in water from other areas/sources. Last night there were runs on grocery/convenience stores and police were called in at some locations to keep the peace.
/love living here BTW!
//took a shower this AM and no ill effects
 
2014-01-10 08:59:12 AM  

Triumph: Jesus. Who needs Al Qaeda?


don't worry. I'm sure DuPont will be slapped with hundreds of dollars in fines. that'll learn em.
 
2014-01-10 08:59:57 AM  
You know who else was dumped things  in the Elk River?


ts1.mm.bing.net
 
2014-01-10 09:09:24 AM  

squealie: I live in one of the affected counties
//took a shower this AM and no ill effects


Yet.
 
2014-01-10 09:13:55 AM  

squealie: I live in one of the affected counties and they're bringing in water from other areas/sources. Last night there were runs on grocery/convenience stores and police were called in at some locations to keep the peace.
/love living here BTW!
//took a shower this AM and no ill effects


Cancer doesn't tend to develop immediately.
 
2014-01-10 09:14:35 AM  
Imagine the response and the news coverage this would get if it was actually a terror attack, dumping this exact same chemical into the water supply. We would have invaded 8 countries by now.
 
2014-01-10 09:20:04 AM  

utah dude: utah dude: utah dude: can someone please read the article and tell me what the chemical is?

oh wait, it's  4-METHYL-1-CYCLOHEXANEMETHANOL, not4-Methylcyclohexane methanol . chesses, people, would you phuqeing please pay attention in the nomenclature section of O-chem?
or better yet use some sorta IUPAC naming.
1-(hydroxymethyl)-4-methylcyclohexane even better.



I prefer a nice trivial name, like Miracle West Virginia Froth Magic™

With all the adverse clinical effects, it must cure something.

I'm off to West Virginia with a big supply of bottles and labels, staying one step ahead of the patent trolls who want royalties on this toxic shiat and get the ad agency on the phone to buy time on the national news shows where all good pharmaceuticals are flogged.
 
2014-01-10 09:20:33 AM  
I get that while Rome is burning may not be the best time to discuss Nero's laws and policies, the fact is that coal companies and companies that produce chemicals and tools for coal companies in the state of West Virginia are basically worshipped as demi-gods. We named our intrastate football rivalry after their lobbying group "Friends of Coal." Every single politician in the state has to basically give lip service to the coal industry every 13.7 minutes, or they will have no chance of being reelected. The EPA is basically seen as a spawn of Satan that serves no purpose in the state. Seriously, listen to ANY WVU or Marshall sports broadcasts, and you will hear a "Friends of Coal" ad for every single commerical break.

And the problem with groups like "Friends of Coal" is that the real purpose is to lower regulation on coal, not to "make West Virginia strong." I know that seems obvious, but people in West Virginia seem completely oblivious to this. I get that coal is a large part of our nation's power, and I get that many people in West Virginia are employed if not directly, then indirectly by coal. But this sort of event is the cost of zero regulation. Friends of Coal has lobbied strongly against chemical regulations, water dumping regulations, and pollutant controls for years now. They've prevented inspections, or decreased their frequency, which prevents the public, who has a vested interest in things like "not dying when you drink tap water," from knowing what risks are present. This is the same group that lobbied against state laws to require building safe rooms with oxygen tanks in mines after, well, I'd name a mining disaster, but they've really become numerous because they've successfully fought against methane monitors being required in highly explosive areas. They are disgusting profiteering using the power of group think and repetition to brainwash the people of West Virginia into truly believing that what is good for coal is always 110% good for the state. This is despite the fact that if coal was going to make the state of West Virginia wealthy, don't you think over 100 years of heavy coal mining later, West Virginia would start to see some returns?

Friends of Coal isn't your friend, and they aren't making West Virginia better or more prosperous. Coal companies aren't inherently noble entities concerned with the working man of West Virginia. Stop sucking their dicks.
 
2014-01-10 09:21:49 AM  
Huck And Molly Ziegler:

"Freedom Industries"?? Seriously?

You don't know much about the laughable PR processes that the absentee coal companies and their ilk are prone to using I take it?

Don't forget "Patriot Coal" which, despite record profits and being the second largest coal mining operation east of the Mississippi is going through bankruptcy and will be reducing or eliminating health care and retirement benefits for all of its workers while executives and middle management all received pay raises and bonuses just prior to that announcement.

Appalachia in general is a beautiful and wonderful place. But places like southern WV, eastern KY, and western VA are still very steeped in rural tradition. I was brought up understanding that if you promised someone something, you kept that promise, and that a handshake might as well be a legally binding contract. These companies use that kind of naming to play to the immense pride that people from the region have for themselves and their country. Then they turn around and do things on the cheap and carry all the profits back across state lines while leaving a wasteland behind them.

That's not to say that coal mining doesn't have an important place in the economies of those states, but there need to be tougher, tighter regulations on a STATE level to keep the money where it comes from and prevent the decimation of these states' other resources.
 
2014-01-10 09:24:44 AM  
 
2014-01-10 09:25:26 AM  

Headso: Imagine the response and the news coverage this would get if it was actually a terror attack, dumping this exact same chemical into the water supply. We would have invaded 8 countries by now.


ISLAM DID IT.
 
2014-01-10 09:25:37 AM  
Now what really gets me about all the facebook traffic I'm seeing from friends back home in Charlie West is that NOBODY seems to remember that you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a stream in the 9 affected counties, and that all you need is a couple of jerry cans and some of this:
img.fark.net
 
2014-01-10 09:29:08 AM  

Alphax: Huck And Molly Ziegler: "Freedom Industries"?? Seriously?

It's got to be Orwellian.


Why do you hate Freedom?!


/'murica
 
2014-01-10 09:30:42 AM  

tallen702: Now what really gets me about all the facebook traffic I'm seeing from friends back home in Charlie West is that NOBODY seems to remember that you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a stream in the 9 affected counties, and that all you need is a couple of jerry cans and some of this:
[img.fark.net image 300x300]


That kills bacteria so that they won't kill you, but won't clean chemical contamination from water.
 
2014-01-10 09:30:53 AM  

tallen702: Now what really gets me about all the facebook traffic I'm seeing from friends back home in Charlie West is that NOBODY seems to remember that you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a stream in the 9 affected counties, and that all you need is a couple of jerry cans and some of this:
[img.fark.net image 300x300]


I hope you're trying to be funny.

Just in case anyone doesn't get it, those tablets are used specifically for killing common types of microbiology in the water. Non-life chemicals would be unaffected.
 
2014-01-10 09:35:47 AM  

tallen702: STATE level


tallen702: and that all you need is a couple of jerry cans and some of this:


forget it brehs, it's libertariantown...
 
2014-01-10 09:37:51 AM  
" 4-Methylcyclohexane Methanol, is not toxic but is harmful if swallowed."

 That's a definition of non-toxic that I was previously unaware of
 
2014-01-10 09:41:46 AM  

DBSmiley: tallen702: Now what really gets me about all the facebook traffic I'm seeing from friends back home in Charlie West is that NOBODY seems to remember that you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a stream in the 9 affected counties, and that all you need is a couple of jerry cans and some of this:
[img.fark.net image 300x300]

I hope you're trying to be funny.

Just in case anyone doesn't get it, those tablets are used specifically for killing common types of microbiology in the water. Non-life chemicals would be unaffected.


He's saying if you're on a tributary to the elk, you have drinking water.

Water doesn't flow uphill (for the most part, ymmv, capillary action, etc.)
 
2014-01-10 09:44:23 AM  
Thingster:

He's saying if you're on a tributary to the elk, you have drinking water.

Water doesn't flow uphill (for the most part, ymmv, capillary action, etc.)


Ah...then I simply misunderstood his implication.
 
2014-01-10 09:44:28 AM  

KarmicDisaster: tallen702: Now what really gets me about all the facebook traffic I'm seeing from friends back home in Charlie West is that NOBODY seems to remember that you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a stream in the 9 affected counties, and that all you need is a couple of jerry cans and some of this:
[img.fark.net image 300x300]

That kills bacteria so that they won't kill you, but won't clean chemical contamination from water.



He's not advocating taking water from the Elk or Kanawha (where the contamination is)...but one of the other MILLIONS of feeder streams around.  Ya know, headwaters state n' all...
 
2014-01-10 09:46:04 AM  

KarmicDisaster: Water? You mean, like, from the toilet?


Oh FFS. I even had the image ready to hotlink anaw. Well played,  KarmicDisaster.

Look, see?
johnmilleker.com
 
2014-01-10 09:51:47 AM  

CalvinMorallis: I work for the WV state legislature, and we just started our annual session on Wednesday.  There have been times, through the years, that I've made the 20-mile drive to work on roads covered with ice and snow, and my dominant thought was, seriously, "I hope I make it at least X more miles before I have to call the tow truck," and not ONCE did I even consider seeing if work would be cancelled, or if I could call off.

Last night, around 7pm, I got a call from my supervisor.  The Senate President told her to tell her staff to take the day off.  That's when I knew this was a big freaking deal.



Yeah my GF and father work there too...we were shocked as well (I might know you?)

I work 1 mile from the spill and live 3 miles from it....had no clue until 8pm last night and a buddy called to say stop drinking the water (all i drink is  water...and beer).  I had been drinking for awhile, never heard or saw any emergency broadcasts.   WV American water didn't even call me until 6:30 this morning to tell me to not use water!!

When I got the mail last night I could smell licorice...didn't give it much thought as weird smells in the Chemical Valley aren't exactly something new...My toilet water was starting to smell the same this morning.

(why yes, I was sniffing the toilet)
 
2014-01-10 09:57:00 AM  

DBSmiley: Thingster:

He's saying if you're on a tributary to the elk, you have drinking water.

Water doesn't flow uphill (for the most part, ymmv, capillary action, etc.)

Ah...then I simply misunderstood his implication.


It took me a second, too. My first thought was the same as yours before it clicked.
 
2014-01-10 09:57:37 AM  

2KanZam: CalvinMorallis: I work for the WV state legislature, and we just started our annual session on Wednesday.  There have been times, through the years, that I've made the 20-mile drive to work on roads covered with ice and snow, and my dominant thought was, seriously, "I hope I make it at least X more miles before I have to call the tow truck," and not ONCE did I even consider seeing if work would be cancelled, or if I could call off.

Last night, around 7pm, I got a call from my supervisor.  The Senate President told her to tell her staff to take the day off.  That's when I knew this was a big freaking deal.


Yeah my GF and father work there too...we were shocked as well (I might know you?)

I work 1 mile from the spill and live 3 miles from it....had no clue until 8pm last night and a buddy called to say stop drinking the water (all i drink is  water...and beer).  I had been drinking for awhile, never heard or saw any emergency broadcasts.   WV American water didn't even call me until 6:30 this morning to tell me to not use water!!

When I got the mail last night I could smell licorice...didn't give it much thought as weird smells in the Chemical Valley aren't exactly something new...My toilet water was starting to smell the same this morning.

(why yes, I was sniffing the toilet)


You must not watch TV. I live in NE Ky and there were crawls running across various broadcasts from the time I got home at 5:15, plus that was almost the only thing WSAZ talked about on the newscasts.
 
2014-01-10 09:59:01 AM  

utah dude: utah dude: utah dude: can someone please read the article and tell me what the chemical is?

oh wait, it's  4-METHYL-1-CYCLOHEXANEMETHANOL, not4-Methylcyclohexane methanol . chesses, people, would you phuqeing please pay attention in the nomenclature section of O-chem?

or better yet use some sorta IUPAC naming.

1-(hydroxymethyl)-4-methylcyclohexane even better.


I've been going with (4-methylcyclohexyl)methanol, but yours is perfectly cromulent as well.
 
2014-01-10 10:00:28 AM  
Great post on friends of coal. Every time I see those stickers on cars it makes my blood boil. Same with the "leave our planet-destroying industry alone!" billboards
 
2014-01-10 10:01:55 AM  

Thingster: DBSmiley: tallen702: Now what really gets me about all the facebook traffic I'm seeing from friends back home in Charlie West is that NOBODY seems to remember that you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a stream in the 9 affected counties, and that all you need is a couple of jerry cans and some of this:
[img.fark.net image 300x300]

I hope you're trying to be funny.

Just in case anyone doesn't get it, those tablets are used specifically for killing common types of microbiology in the water. Non-life chemicals would be unaffected.

He's saying if you're on a tributary to the elk, you have drinking water.

Water doesn't flow uphill (for the most part, ymmv, capillary action, etc.)


Yep. You got it.
 
2014-01-10 10:03:03 AM  

KarmicDisaster: tallen702: Now what really gets me about all the facebook traffic I'm seeing from friends back home in Charlie West is that NOBODY seems to remember that you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a stream in the 9 affected counties, and that all you need is a couple of jerry cans and some of this:
[img.fark.net image 300x300]

That kills bacteria so that they won't kill you, but won't clean chemical contamination from water.


DBSmiley: tallen702: Now what really gets me about all the facebook traffic I'm seeing from friends back home in Charlie West is that NOBODY seems to remember that you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a stream in the 9 affected counties, and that all you need is a couple of jerry cans and some of this:
[img.fark.net image 300x300]

I hope you're trying to be funny.

Just in case anyone doesn't get it, those tablets are used specifically for killing common types of microbiology in the water. Non-life chemicals would be unaffected.


I think you guys missed a very important part of what I said.

One river, the Elk, is contaminated (well, I guess the Kanawha is too since the Elk flows into it, but I don't think anyone would try to drink Kanawha river water anyway). If Minnesota is the land of a thousand lakes, WV is the land of a million streams and springs. If I lived up in Roane County, I'd hit up spring creek down near Speed (near its headwaters) around Bent Hill. Fill up some jerry cans, pop in the tabs, and you're good to go for some time.

People in the vicinity of South Hills in Charleston can hit up some of the tributaries of Davis Creek in the KSF area. Especially up the hollow past the swimming pool as that water is what  feeds the pool and is perfectly safe with a little iodine to kill any wayward bacteria.

You've also got Rush Creek, Cabin Creek, Alum Creek, etc etc. etc. that run through the major metro area of Charleston.

Now, I'd keep my eyes out for any creek that has a sewer line running parallel (eg. the small creeks that come down into South Park and South Ruffner) and stay away from those, but yeah, a couple tablets and a source other than the Elk and you'll be good.
 
2014-01-10 10:05:09 AM  
tallen702: Right. We just misunderstood what you were saying.

I'm from South Hills (though living in Indiana at present), so I know the area.
 
2014-01-10 10:08:11 AM  

QueenMamaBee: 2KanZam: CalvinMorallis: I work for the WV state legislature, and we just started our annual session on Wednesday.  There have been times, through the years, that I've made the 20-mile drive to work on roads covered with ice and snow, and my dominant thought was, seriously, "I hope I make it at least X more miles before I have to call the tow truck," and not ONCE did I even consider seeing if work would be cancelled, or if I could call off.

Last night, around 7pm, I got a call from my supervisor.  The Senate President told her to tell her staff to take the day off.  That's when I knew this was a big freaking deal.


Yeah my GF and father work there too...we were shocked as well (I might know you?)

I work 1 mile from the spill and live 3 miles from it....had no clue until 8pm last night and a buddy called to say stop drinking the water (all i drink is  water...and beer).  I had been drinking for awhile, never heard or saw any emergency broadcasts.   WV American water didn't even call me until 6:30 this morning to tell me to not use water!!

When I got the mail last night I could smell licorice...didn't give it much thought as weird smells in the Chemical Valley aren't exactly something new...My toilet water was starting to smell the same this morning.

(why yes, I was sniffing the toilet)

You must not watch TV. I live in NE Ky and there were crawls running across various broadcasts from the time I got home at 5:15, plus that was almost the only thing WSAZ talked about on the newscasts.



I actually don't watch a ton, but it was on all eve (not on a local station tho)...I did not see ONE ticker all night.  You would think the Emerg Broadcast system would have done an alarm.  A lot of people I work with didn't even know until they came to work this morn.  There is definitely something broken in the system.

Again, WVAW didn't even call until nearly 24 hours after the incident!!
 
2014-01-10 10:12:39 AM  
Government needs to stay out of this and let the free market decide what to do.
 
2014-01-10 10:16:11 AM  

2KanZam: QueenMamaBee: 2KanZam: CalvinMorallis: I work for the WV state legislature, and we just started our annual session on Wednesday.  There have been times, through the years, that I've made the 20-mile drive to work on roads covered with ice and snow, and my dominant thought was, seriously, "I hope I make it at least X more miles before I have to call the tow truck," and not ONCE did I even consider seeing if work would be cancelled, or if I could call off.

Last night, around 7pm, I got a call from my supervisor.  The Senate President told her to tell her staff to take the day off.  That's when I knew this was a big freaking deal.


Yeah my GF and father work there too...we were shocked as well (I might know you?)

I work 1 mile from the spill and live 3 miles from it....had no clue until 8pm last night and a buddy called to say stop drinking the water (all i drink is  water...and beer).  I had been drinking for awhile, never heard or saw any emergency broadcasts.   WV American water didn't even call me until 6:30 this morning to tell me to not use water!!

When I got the mail last night I could smell licorice...didn't give it much thought as weird smells in the Chemical Valley aren't exactly something new...My toilet water was starting to smell the same this morning.

(why yes, I was sniffing the toilet)

You must not watch TV. I live in NE Ky and there were crawls running across various broadcasts from the time I got home at 5:15, plus that was almost the only thing WSAZ talked about on the newscasts.


I actually don't watch a ton, but it was on all eve (not on a local station tho)...I did not see ONE ticker all night.  You would think the Emerg Broadcast system would have done an alarm.  A lot of people I work with didn't even know until they came to work this morn.  There is definitely something broken in the system.

Again, WVAW didn't even call until nearly 24 hours after the incident!!


That is crap, although I'm not entirely surprised. If we have any water incidents (although *knock on wood* they've not been anywhere near this serious), I read it in the paper "Oh you should have been boiling your water for the past two days.. oops!"

My TV was on WSAZ for most of the evening, because for some ungodly reason Lil Bee has a fascination with NBC Nightly News, Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy, and it seems like there was always a crawl at the bottom. I don't think we had it on any other channel though, so I don't know how well other channels covered it.
 
2014-01-10 10:26:58 AM  
Came to this thread figuring it would be full of anti coal, anti natural gas derp.

/leaving satisfied
 
2014-01-10 10:44:52 AM  

Peki: //showed up to work once to federal officers holding loaded M4s. That was an interesting day.


Why?  What had you done that warranted that kind of response?
 
2014-01-10 10:45:03 AM  

WTFDYW: Came to this thread figuring it would be full of anti coal, anti natural gas derp.

/leaving satisfied, having contributed nothing to the conversation


FTFY
 
2014-01-10 11:05:39 AM  

QueenMamaBee: WTFDYW: Came to this thread figuring it would be full of anti coal, anti natural gas derp.

/leaving satisfied, having contributed nothing to the conversation

FTFY


DAW. You poor thing.
 
2014-01-10 11:07:54 AM  
 Dupont has turned WV into a chemical shiathole. This is just another example of the "benefits" of having their industry in your state.
 
2014-01-10 11:10:00 AM  
On a side note, there are a lot more local WV Farkers than I thought.

/Lives in Tornado
//Did I slashie right?
 
2014-01-10 11:10:11 AM  
Just came from one of the water stations in Lincoln County and the county emergency folks say they have no idea when the emergency order will be lifted.
 /also the truck driver bringing in the water is from PA and after he unloads this shipment of water he's back to PA to load up again and bring another load back to WV
//also all restaurants, schools, day cares, courthouses, libraries, etc, etc are closed
 
2014-01-10 11:15:28 AM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

You mean I was lied to?
 
2014-01-10 11:17:10 AM  
 The worst part is that you know it has to be pretty bad if they're issuing a ban on using the water. If it were just enough that some percentage may get cancer it's doubtful the company or the state would say anything. With them issuing a warning that most likely means that people would be coming up sick or dead in large numbers.
 
2014-01-10 11:28:29 AM  

WTFDYW: Came to this thread figuring it would be full of anti coal, anti natural gas derp.

/leaving satisfied



Mr. Massey, glad to see you joined us.
 
2014-01-10 11:31:44 AM  

guttermedic: On a side note, there are a lot more local WV Farkers than I thought.

/Lives in Tornado
//Did I slashie right?


Right?

/Pocatalico
//I call it Methville
///obligatory third slashie
 
2014-01-10 11:39:37 AM  
I live near the top of the Westmoreland exit in Charleston, which is literally a couple-thousand feet from where the spill happened.  I wish I'd found out sooner yesterday so that I hadn't showered, brushed my teeth, filled my water bottle from the fridge, etc.

I'm nearly seven months pregnant so I'm a bit more on high alert than usual, especially if this has been an ongoing problem nobody noticed.  If the ban lasts too long I'll probably ditch hubby and go stay with my parents for a while.  At least we managed to get some water lastnight without seeing any fights, which is more than I can say for a lot of people.
 
2014-01-10 11:53:48 AM  
Is that Freedom Industries?
Yeah man!
Well turn it up man!
 
2014-01-10 12:13:06 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Methylcyclohexanol
...
...
...



Dusk-You-n-Me: Process for coal flotation using 4-methyl cyclohexane methanol frothers


Except 4-methylcyclohexane and 4-methylcyclohexane methanol aren't the same compound.
 
2014-01-10 12:39:40 PM  

guttermedic: On a side note, there are a lot more local WV Farkers than I thought.

/Lives in Tornado
//Did I slashie right?


Is that near Hurricane?
 
2014-01-10 01:00:43 PM  
Official statement from Freedom Industries:


"Since the discovery of the leak, safety for residents in Kanawha and surrounding counties has been Freedom Industries' first priority. We have been working with local and federal regulatory, safety and environmental entities, including the DEP, Coast Guard, Army Corp of Engineers and Homeland Security, and are following all necessary steps to fix the issue. Our team has been working around the clock since the discovery to contain the leak to prevent further contamination. At this point, Freedom Industries is still working to determine the amount of 4-methylcyclohexanemethanol, or Crude MCHM, a chemical used in processing coal, that has been released, as the first priority was safety, containment and cleanup.

Freedom Industries is in the process of setting up an Incident Command Center on site. As more factual information is made available, we will keep you updated."


That's about as generic as it gets.
 
2014-01-10 01:15:02 PM  

DBSmiley: tallen702: Right. We just misunderstood what you were saying.

I'm from South Hills (though living in Indiana at present), so I know the area.


Cool, same here, except living in MD. GW alum I assume?
 
2014-01-10 01:36:49 PM  
It's as clean as the gubmint cheese and state welfare checks. Drink up.
 
2014-01-10 02:25:15 PM  

tallen702: DBSmiley: tallen702: Right. We just misunderstood what you were saying.

I'm from South Hills (though living in Indiana at present), so I know the area.

Cool, same here, except living in MD. GW alum I assume?



Wow, I think there's mor GW alum here than came to my 10 year reunion
 
2014-01-10 02:36:08 PM  

jshine: Peki: //showed up to work once to federal officers holding loaded M4s. That was an interesting day.

Why?  What had you done that warranted that kind of response?


Not for me. I worked for a company that had military contracts. When the government thinks the company is defrauding them, they tend to bring out the heavies pretty quick. It was kinda like that raid they did on Gibson awhile back.  I wouldn't say we were committing fraud, and certainly not intentionally; we just had sloppy paperwork. Unfortunately, paperwork is what you need to prove quality to the government, so. . .   IIRC, nothing serious came of the investigation and the lead agent had a personal problem with the president of the company; there weren't any further issues once the lead agent was reassigned elsewhere.
 
2014-01-10 02:38:57 PM  
Transferred to Capital since they had better computer science course catalog my freshman year. Siblings went to GW. Lovely rivalry it has become.
 
2014-01-10 02:39:44 PM  
People in WV totally offended people think this is the about the coal industry.

WV journalist at a presser about the spill

img.fark.net
 
2014-01-10 02:45:24 PM  

2KanZam:
Wow, I think there's mor GW alum here than came to my 10 year reunion

Really? My 10-year had a really good turnout. It was a all-you-can-eat/drink ball game at the new park and then they had the VIP room reserved for us at a club which has since closed its doors. It was amazingly helpful in the process of realizing that people who are dicks in high school don't necessarily stay dicks for the rest of their lives.

DBSmiley: Transferred to Capital since they had better computer science course catalog my freshman year. Siblings went to GW. Lovely rivalry it has become.


I graduated GW in '98. Was this before then or after? When I was there, GW had a pretty decent comp-sci program. Bunch of my friends who were involved in it work for places like MIT, Sourcefire, etc. these days.
 
2014-01-10 03:08:58 PM  

TDWCom29: People in WV totally offended people think this is the about the coal industry.

WV journalist at a presser about the spill

[img.fark.net image 531x181]


I really hate Hoppy Kercheval. I do have to give him credit though. He has a fantastic radio voice for having Don Blankenship's little Donny in his mouth all day.
 
2014-01-10 03:13:40 PM  
Wow! Other farkers who know the valley?!

/grew-up in the Marmet/Chesapeake/Winifrede area
 
2014-01-10 03:15:58 PM  

tallen702: I graduated GW in '98. Was this before then or after? When I was there, GW had a pretty decent comp-sci program. Bunch of my friends who were involved in it work for places like MIT, Sourcefire, etc. these days.



'99 here...prolly know you huh?

We had a few come, probably more to the afterparty...i don't um...remember it that well.  Yours sounds like it was orchestrated much better.

The invites were literally ONLY through facebook and since I am not on FB they assumed I was dead.  Which may have been a fair assumption considering...
 
2014-01-10 03:20:22 PM  

2KanZam: tallen702: DBSmiley: tallen702: Right. We just misunderstood what you were saying.

I'm from South Hills (though living in Indiana at present), so I know the area.

Cool, same here, except living in MD. GW alum I assume?


Wow, I think there's mor GW alum here than came to my 10 year reunion


Add one more :)
 
2014-01-10 03:22:01 PM  

QueenMamaBee: guttermedic: On a side note, there are a lot more local WV Farkers than I thought.

/Lives in Tornado
//Did I slashie right?

Is that near Hurricane?



You may catch the lols, but yeah...about 14 miles. :)
 
2014-01-10 03:57:50 PM  

guttermedic: QueenMamaBee: guttermedic: On a side note, there are a lot more local WV Farkers than I thought.

/Lives in Tornado
//Did I slashie right?

Is that near Hurricane?


You may catch the lols, but yeah...about 14 miles. :)


I figured the weather-term towns would be together :)
 
2014-01-10 04:24:54 PM  
There's also Mount Storm in WV, in the Northeastern part.
/also we have Big Ugly in my area
 
2014-01-10 05:36:59 PM  

Nightenstaff: Official statement from Freedom Industries:


"Since the discovery of the leak, safety for residents in Kanawha and surrounding counties has been Freedom Industries' first priority. We have been working with local and federal regulatory, safety and environmental entities, including the DEP, Coast Guard, Army Corp of Engineers and Homeland Security, and are following all necessary steps to fix the issue. Our team has been working around the clock since the discovery to contain the leak to prevent further contamination. At this point, Freedom Industries is still working to determine the amount of 4-methylcyclohexanemethanol, or Crude MCHM, a chemical used in processing coal, that has been released, as the first priority was safety, containment and cleanup.

Freedom Industries is in the process of setting up an Incident Command Center on site. As more factual information is made available, we will keep you updated."

That's about as generic as it gets.


They should end it...
"Yours in Freedom! FREEEEEDOOOMMMMMMM!"
 
2014-01-10 08:00:41 PM  

TeaCozy: Wow! Other farkers who know the valley?!

/grew-up in the Marmet/Chesapeake/Winifrede area


Yeah, I started out on 55th street in Kanawha City. Right across from the old ChiChi's (which has since been demolished). If you're heading towards Marmet from Charleston and look to your right, it's the first house you see. Great grandfather built it, the one next to it, Chamberlain Elementary, and Westminster Presbyterian among other buildings in town. Family moved to South Hills when I was 6.

Things being what they are back home, I moved to find a job that would pay me what I needed to cover education costs and still be able to build a life for myself and my family. It's unfortunate as I absolutely love WV with all my heart. MD sucks balls in general. My little part is nice. Farm country but still close enough to DC for me to make decent money, but it's not home like WV is.
 
2014-01-10 10:15:30 PM  

guttermedic: On a side note, there are a lot more local WV Farkers than I thought.

/Lives in Tornado
//Did I slashie right?


It's good to know there are so many hillbillies and ridgerunners on Fark.

Ya'll are my peeps (one generation removed).
 
2014-01-11 01:13:30 AM  

squealie: There's also Mount Storm in WV, in the Northeastern part.
/also we have Big Ugly in my area


One of my best friends is from Big Ugly. Well, North Fork.
 
2014-01-11 01:18:20 AM  

TDWCom29: People in WV totally offended people think this is the about the coal industry.

WV journalist at a presser about the spill

[img.fark.net image 531x181]


Hoppy is one of those folks who presents himself as a journalist, but is damn near a shill for the industries in the area. He was much better when he stuck to sports.
 
2014-01-11 08:57:14 AM  

Bondith: Dusk-You-n-Me: Methylcyclohexanol
...
...
...


Dusk-You-n-Me: Process for coal flotation using 4-methyl cyclohexane methanol frothers

Except 4-methylcyclohexane and 4-methylcyclohexane methanol aren't the same compound.


my point exactly.
 
2014-01-11 12:44:40 PM  

Hillwilliam: Xian97: I hope they have it fixed by Saturday - that's bath night in WV.

I grew up in that area, this is just one of many such incidents. The area is called the Chemical Valley for a reason - Dow,  Monsanto, Dupont, FMC, Union Carbide, Bayer, and many others had chemical plants there at one time or still do.

Yep.  And we learned shelter-in-place drills at an early age.


Oh yes.
 
2014-01-11 02:11:48 PM  
At this point all I want is to take a shower.....

I'm loving the back lash about the Freedoms Ind CEO drinking bottled water at the presser last night.


/Elkview
//Hoover 99'
 
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