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(CNN)   Afghani woman gets death threats for teaching literacy. And when I say "Afghanistan," I mean "University of North Carolina"   (cnn.com) divider line 157
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2014-01-09 07:25:17 PM  
Everything the administration says now will just up the payout she'll eventually get when she sues for wrongful termination,
 
2014-01-09 07:39:00 PM  
I'm surprised the number is that low.

Not surprised that University officials say they "haven't seen the data," and then when shown the emails that say they have, they say "Oh THAT data!"
 
2014-01-09 07:58:30 PM  
Link farked?
 
2014-01-09 08:13:21 PM  
You didn't say Afghanistan.
 
2014-01-09 08:13:37 PM  
This is to be completely expected..........it's wrong of course but expected.  The win win win at any cost so we can make money mentality is all that drives schools now.
 
2014-01-09 08:16:22 PM  

Abox: You didn't say Afghanistan.


This
 
2014-01-09 08:16:40 PM  
I can think of at least two things wrong with that headline
 
2014-01-09 08:16:59 PM  
Is it really possible that college sports players could really have trouble reading at 3rd grade? Or is that hyperbole?
 
2014-01-09 08:17:36 PM  

GDubDub: Is it really possible that college sports players could really have trouble reading at 3rd grade? Or is that hyperbole?


Wrong thread.
 
2014-01-09 08:18:00 PM  
They almost had me lol! Everyone knows women can't read.
 
2014-01-09 08:18:11 PM  

GDubDub: GDubDub: Is it really possible that college sports players could really have trouble reading at 3rd grade? Or is that hyperbole?

Wrong thread.


Or not.
 
2014-01-09 08:18:11 PM  

oldwolf49: This is to be completely expected..........it's wrong of course but expected.  The win win win at any cost so we can make money mentality is all that drives schools now.


For-profit schools? Sure. Public schools? Not so much.

This is pride, plain and simple.
 
2014-01-09 08:18:24 PM  
Official school-sanctioned sports is a cancer on institutions of higher learning.
 
2014-01-09 08:18:46 PM  

Peki: Link farked?


Ah, it's up now.

*sigh* It's always about the money. The students are a source of income, and the university wants to protect that.
 
2014-01-09 08:19:01 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: I'm surprised the number is that low.

Not surprised that University officials say they "haven't seen the data," and then when shown the emails that say they have, they say "Oh THAT data!"


When it really should be THOSE data. I'd expect university officials to at least get the grammar right.
 
2014-01-09 08:19:15 PM  

GDubDub: GDubDub: Is it really possible that college sports players could really have trouble reading at 3rd grade? Or is that hyperbole?

Wrong thread.


It's UNC. Maybe not.
 
2014-01-09 08:20:51 PM  
The article does not appear to say what Willingham's title is, whether she's employed by the university, or who commissioned the research.

I don't doubt her findings; it's just a badly written article.
 
2014-01-09 08:20:55 PM  

Fireproof: oldwolf49: This is to be completely expected..........it's wrong of course but expected.  The win win win at any cost so we can make money mentality is all that drives schools now.

For-profit schools? Sure. Public schools? Not so much.

This is pride, plain and simple.


Two words: Alumni donations. School pride is easy to sell.
 
2014-01-09 08:24:15 PM  
I'm going to go out a limb and guess that the people who are angry are not angry about the fact that college athletes can't read, they're angry that it's being revealed. And those people need to ask themselves why that makes them so angry, angry enough to issue a death threat to a stranger. I understand being a fan, I understand crazy fandom like body painting and watching a game in sub-zero temps.  I don't understand fandom that invokes that level of fury at someone who hasn't done anything but reveal some facts, because those facts make your team look bad. I wonder how many of these furious fans actually attended UNC? I find fanatical fandom of a school you have no connection to kind of odd.
 
2014-01-09 08:25:22 PM  

GDubDub: Is it really possible that college sports players could really have trouble reading at 3rd grade? Or is that hyperbole?


Seeing as I work with non athlete recent college grads that literally cannot do basic geometry, I have absolutely no problem believing that a fair amount of athletes producing millions of dollars in income for their institutions cannot read.
 
2014-01-09 08:25:49 PM  
You didn't say Afghanistan.  Also, people from Afghanistan are Afghans, not Afghanis.
 
2014-01-09 08:25:49 PM  
The fact that schools even HAVE sports teams is, frankly, stupid. That these teams are almost always considered more important to the school than the actual CLASSES is nothing short of appalling.
 
2014-01-09 08:26:02 PM  
Very backwards state.statement
 
2014-01-09 08:26:06 PM  

GDubDub: Is it really possible that college sports players could really have trouble reading at 3rd grade? Or is that hyperbole?


It's honestly not surprising.

It's not uncommon for high school grads who went to the crappier schools in states with poor educational performance to be functionally illiterate. These kids probably haven't had to try in their classwork at college either, as their professors would be under pressure to pass star athletes.
 
2014-01-09 08:27:59 PM  
Hey, maybe the dumbasses need to learn to read in Elementary school.
 
2014-01-09 08:28:21 PM  
Shocking that acting as a barbarian fosters such a mind.
 
DB
2014-01-09 08:28:59 PM  

Fireproof: oldwolf49: This is to be completely expected..........it's wrong of course but expected.  The win win win at any cost so we can make money mentality is all that drives schools now.

For-profit schools? Sure. Public schools? Not so much.

This is pride, plain and simple.


Someone is unaware of how much money these teams bring in for the university.
 
2014-01-09 08:30:22 PM  

Phins: I'm going to go out a limb and guess that the people who are angry are not angry about the fact that college athletes can't read, they're angry that it's being revealed. And those people need to ask themselves why that makes them so angry, angry enough to issue a death threat to a stranger. I understand being a fan, I understand crazy fandom like body painting and watching a game in sub-zero temps.  I don't understand fandom that invokes that level of fury at someone who hasn't done anything but reveal some facts, because those facts make your team look bad. I wonder how many of these furious fans actually attended UNC? I find fanatical fandom of a school you have no connection to kind of odd.


You should try living here. We don't have light blue. It's Carolina blue. Maddening.
 
2014-01-09 08:31:13 PM  
This is the same institution of higher education which produced such exemplars of law abiding conduct as Lawrence Taylor.  But, man oh man, could he play football.
 
2014-01-09 08:35:53 PM  

LordJiro: The fact that schools even HAVE sports teams is, frankly, stupid. That these teams are almost always considered more important to the school than the actual CLASSES is nothing short of appalling.



You sound uncoordinated.


And 10% or less are reading at a third grade level?  I'd call that a success.


/there not there to read
 
2014-01-09 08:36:46 PM  
Meh. Im not sure I care anymore.
 
2014-01-09 08:36:56 PM  

Phins: I'm going to go out a limb and guess that the people who are angry are not angry about the fact that college athletes can't read, they're angry that it's being revealed. And those people need to ask themselves why that makes them so angry, angry enough to issue a death threat to a stranger. I understand being a fan, I understand crazy fandom like body painting and watching a game in sub-zero temps.  I don't understand fandom that invokes that level of fury at someone who hasn't done anything but reveal some facts, because those facts make your team look bad. I wonder how many of these furious fans actually attended UNC? I find fanatical fandom of a school you have no connection to kind of odd.


Hmmm. Kinda reminds you of politics and religion don't ya think?
 
2014-01-09 08:37:30 PM  

GDubDub: GDubDub: GDubDub: Is it really possible that college sports players could really have trouble reading at 3rd grade? Or is that hyperbole?

Wrong thread.

Or not.


Your silliness aside, it's not hyperbole at all.  I had a friend from college who spent a year after he graduated working with a major college basketball team in a tutor/traveling teacher role, where his job was to basically go on road trips with the players and help them understand material they were missing in class.  He came back and told me that all of them were outrageously bad at school work (we're talking middle school level, at best), and that one or two were functionally illiterate.
 
2014-01-09 08:38:13 PM  
Death threats are not justifiable, but the fact remains that the claims made by her are absurd. The idea that a college -- whose primary focus and interest is in education -- would attempt to cover up academic failures of school athletes defies any sense of reason. I suspect next that I will be expected to believe that a college administration would attempt to cover up something as horrific as sexual abuse of children by an athletic coach.
 
2014-01-09 08:39:05 PM  

Phins: I'm going to go out a limb and guess that the people who are angry are not angry about the fact that college athletes can't read, they're angry that it's being revealed.


Kinda like those people who weren't angry that boys were being raped in the showers, they were angry that it was being revealed.
 
2014-01-09 08:41:10 PM  

theorellior: Phins: I'm going to go out a limb and guess that the people who are angry are not angry about the fact that college athletes can't read, they're angry that it's being revealed.

Kinda like those people who weren't angry that boys were being raped in the showers, they were angry that it was being revealed.


Wait, are you referring to Penn State or the Catholic Church?

/kidding
 
2014-01-09 08:41:34 PM  

Dimensio: Death threats are not justifiable, but the fact remains that the claims made by her are absurd. The idea that a college -- whose primary focus and interest is in education -- would attempt to cover up academic failures of school athletes defies any sense of reason. I suspect next that I will be expected to believe that a college administration would attempt to cover up something as horrific as sexual abuse of children by an athletic coach.


Oh, come on! That's crazy talk!
 
2014-01-09 08:41:53 PM  

DB: Fireproof: oldwolf49: This is to be completely expected..........it's wrong of course but expected.  The win win win at any cost so we can make money mentality is all that drives schools now.

For-profit schools? Sure. Public schools? Not so much.

This is pride, plain and simple.

Someone is unaware of how much money these teams bring in for the university.


And prestige.

Good schools are good because they attract good students and good professors.  The stuff that they're doing *helps*, but it's basically students and professors.

Sports teams provide publicity, which makes better students and professors than you have now aware of you, which makes some of them apply, which makes your school better.
 
2014-01-09 08:41:58 PM  
This happens at EVERY. SINGLE. UNIVERSITY. IN. THE. HISTORY. OF. EVER!

/ If you're feel really daring; look into the statistics concerning the number of rapes, committed by athletes, that NCAA schools just sweeeeep under the first rug they find.
 
2014-01-09 08:44:38 PM  

Abox: You didn't say Afghanistan.


Congrats. You apparently have better reading comprehension than the average student athlete.
 
2014-01-09 08:48:46 PM  
So it's a group of say 20 or 30 students on a team? (First stringers, second stringers and then bench warmers/ Junior Varsity)  So you are looking at 2 or 3 guys who may be third grade level?
 
2014-01-09 08:48:47 PM  

meyerkev: DB: Fireproof: oldwolf49: This is to be completely expected..........it's wrong of course but expected.  The win win win at any cost so we can make money mentality is all that drives schools now.

For-profit schools? Sure. Public schools? Not so much.

This is pride, plain and simple.

Someone is unaware of how much money these teams bring in for the university.

And prestige.

Good schools are good because they attract good students and good professors.  The stuff that they're doing *helps*, but it's basically students and professors.

Sports teams provide publicity, which makes better students and professors than you have now aware of you, which makes some of them apply, which makes your school better.


You're barking if you think there's any intention of improving the professors. They cost money, not make it.

It's the same reason tenure is disappearing and cheap adjuncts are teaching more courses than ever.
 
2014-01-09 08:49:17 PM  
Was the article writer a UNC grad? Honestly, what's with all these horribly constructed word stews being passed off as journalism lately? Is the Bilderberg Group using the major media outlets as a way to send out sloppily coded information to their reptilian overlords?
 
2014-01-09 08:49:25 PM  

iheartscotch: This happens at EVERY. SINGLE. UNIVERSITY. IN. THE. HISTORY. OF. EVER!


Well, major D-1s where revenue is a significant factor, sure.  The Ivy League upholds legit academic standards (and of course their sports teams totally suck as a result), as do D-2 and D-3 schools.  That's not really a matter of morality, it's just a reflection of the fact that there's no incentive to bring on dumb student-athletes if you're not capable of making money off of your athletic programs, regardless of how successful they are.
 
2014-01-09 08:50:29 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: So it's a group of say 20 or 30 students on a team? (First stringers, second stringers and then bench warmers/ Junior Varsity)  So you are looking at 2 or 3 guys who may be third grade level?


Think very hard about what you just said.
 
2014-01-09 08:50:49 PM  
You do not screw with sports!
 
2014-01-09 08:53:37 PM  
So, Jane sees spot is hard? Let alone the Pythagorean theorem?
 
2014-01-09 08:56:32 PM  
USA SMRT!
USA SAMRT!
USA SAMRT!
 
2014-01-09 08:56:39 PM  
I don't mind if a university recruits illiterates because they can play football. I mind that a university gets them in school, and then STILL doesn't educate them at the same time they play football.
 
2014-01-09 08:57:42 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: iheartscotch: This happens at EVERY. SINGLE. UNIVERSITY. IN. THE. HISTORY. OF. EVER!

Well, major D-1s where revenue is a significant factor, sure.  The Ivy League upholds legit academic standards (and of course their sports teams totally suck as a result), as do D-2 and D-3 schools.  That's not really a matter of morality, it's just a reflection of the fact that there's no incentive to bring on dumb student-athletes if you're not capable of making money off of your athletic programs, regardless of how successful they are.


Ok, not EVERY school is bad and should feel bad; but, it even happens at the community college / junior college level. I should know; I went to one for 2 years, right after high school. The only big 12 school football program, that I know of, that's really serious about players going to class and succeeding is Kansas State. And that's only because Bill Snyder doesn't allow it to happen. Hell, my youngest brother got help in Thermodynamics from Collin Klien.
 
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