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(ESPN)   Carroll fully expects Percy Harvin to play, get injured again, Saturday   (espn.go.com) divider line 59
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2014-01-09 07:40:04 PM
He'll be a decoy that will allow Seattle to run against more nickel coverage, but that's the only benefit they'll get out of him.  Missing nearly two full years tends to leave guys a little rusty.


I can't believe some team out there was dumb enough to give this guy $45 million guaranteed.
 
2014-01-09 07:41:49 PM
They should just keep him out for the inevitable San Francisco game. Being safe is definitely the path they should follow.

/go Breesus
//one more for the Stick
 
2014-01-09 07:45:16 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: I can't believe some team out there was dumb enough to give this guy $45 million guaranteed.


Who was that?
 
2014-01-09 07:51:36 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: I can't believe some team out there was dumb enough to give this guy $45 million guaranteed.


I agree.  Mike Wallace sucks.
 
2014-01-09 07:53:36 PM
It doesn't matter if he remembers how to play or not.  With him on the field, they'll be too scared to stuff the box.
 
2014-01-09 07:56:33 PM

Hollie Maea: It doesn't matter if he remembers how to play or not.  With him on the field, they'll be too scared to stuff the box.


He will be on the field and Roman Harper will be on the field. SOMEONE'S going to make plays.
 
2014-01-09 07:57:43 PM

Why Would I Read the Article: He'll be a decoy that will allow Seattle to run against more nickel coverage, but that's the only benefit they'll get out of him.  Missing nearly two full years tends to leave guys a little rusty.


I can't believe some team out there was dumb enough to give this guy $45 million guaranteed.


Did you miss the MIN game? Huge finger-tip 3rd down catch in MIN territory and a 58-yd kick return.
 
2014-01-09 08:03:06 PM
If Seattle stays healthy, no other team will stand a chance against them. The only close game will be against SF next weekend.
 
2014-01-09 08:06:16 PM

Shame Us: Did you miss the MIN game? Huge finger-tip 3rd down catch in MIN territory and a 58-yd kick return.


And, y'know, he only has $25 million guaranteed. Front-loaded to get the money in before Sherman, Thomas, and Wilson all get PAAIIIIIIIID.
 
2014-01-09 08:07:23 PM

wiseolddude: If Seattle stays healthy, no other team will stand a chance against them. The only close game will be against SF next weekend.


But given how the first round of the playoffs went, no one can be too confident about that.
 
2014-01-09 08:20:01 PM

IAmRight: wiseolddude: If Seattle stays healthy, no other team will stand a chance against them. The only close game will be against SF next weekend.

But given how the first round of the playoffs went, no one can be too confident about that.


No kidding.  What was it?  3 concussions for the Chiefs, plus a few other injuries.  They were dropping like flies. As for Harvin...

Why Would I Read the Article: He'll be a decoy that will allow Seattle to run against more nickel coverage, but that's the only benefit they'll get out of him.  Missing nearly two full years tends to leave guys a little rusty.


Just having Harvin on the field will free up someone else as they think about double coverage on Harvin because of what he did in the MIN game.  I figure either Baldwin, Miller or Willson will be open by it.
 
2014-01-09 08:22:48 PM
Wouldn't mind another fumble in a big spot out of the guy against the Saints, no sir.
 
2014-01-09 08:28:33 PM

robsul82: Wouldn't mind another fumble in a big spot out of the guy against the Saints, no sir.


You'll take fumbles from any of them as you can get them.  Although that will most likely happen from Wilson, Lynch and Kearse.
 
2014-01-09 08:30:24 PM

harleyquinnical: robsul82: Wouldn't mind another fumble in a big spot out of the guy against the Saints, no sir.

You'll take fumbles from any of them as you can get them.  Although that will most likely happen from Wilson, Lynch and Kearse.


Sure.  I just remember this guy blowing a huge chance in that game right before halftime, hehe.
 
2014-01-09 08:34:02 PM

robsul82: harleyquinnical: robsul82: Wouldn't mind another fumble in a big spot out of the guy against the Saints, no sir.

You'll take fumbles from any of them as you can get them.  Although that will most likely happen from Wilson, Lynch and Kearse.

Sure.  I just remember this guy blowing a huge chance in that game right before halftime, hehe.


Wait, that was the gunslinger.  Harvin was at the start of the 4th, my bad.  ANYWAY, lol, seen him before.  Not in this offense, but.
 
2014-01-09 08:35:09 PM
Harvin plans to return kickoffs

I'm not sure that's a great idea. I'm guessing this is a smoke screen statement.

harleyquinnical: Just having Harvin on the field will free up someone else as they think about double coverage on Harvin because of what he did in the MIN game.  I figure either Baldwin, Miller or Willson will be open by it.


Exactly. He'll have to be covered. "Bait Receiver" should be his role on Saturday.
 
2014-01-09 08:42:28 PM

Primitive Screwhead: Harvin plans to return kickoffs

I'm not sure that's a great idea. I'm guessing this is a smoke screen statement.


I'm not sure if that's a smoke screen or not.  I know that was his secondary role with the team.  Would you prefer Tate, Kearse, or Turbin to do that job?  Out of those 3, Tate has been the most reliable with the ball.  Maybe give Michael a chance too.
 
2014-01-09 08:50:30 PM

wiseolddude: If Seattle stays healthy, no other team will stand a chance against them. The only close game will be against SF next weekend.


On a neutral field, the Pats and the Broncos can and would beat them.
 
2014-01-09 09:07:18 PM
Saturday is set to have cold rainy windy weather, so great football weather.

Oh look both remain dome teams are playing road games on Saturday.
 
2014-01-09 09:09:48 PM

harleyquinnical: Primitive Screwhead: Harvin plans to return kickoffs

I'm not sure that's a great idea. I'm guessing this is a smoke screen statement.

I'm not sure if that's a smoke screen or not.  I know that was his secondary role with the team.  Would you prefer Tate, Kearse, or Turbin to do that job?  Out of those 3, Tate has been the most reliable with the ball.  Maybe give Michael a chance too.


I think Tate has done a great job in that spot.
How often does Turbin return kicks?
 
2014-01-09 09:39:05 PM

harleyquinnical: Primitive Screwhead: Harvin plans to return kickoffs

I'm not sure that's a great idea. I'm guessing this is a smoke screen statement.

I'm not sure if that's a smoke screen or not.  I know that was his secondary role with the team.  Would you prefer Tate, Kearse, or Turbin to do that job?  Out of those 3, Tate has been the most reliable with the ball.  Maybe give Michael a chance too.


Tate doesn't return kickoffs *checks* Okay, he's returned three this year and four in his career. Kearse fumbled in the TB game and they didn't feel great about having him back there due to ball security...so they put Turbin back there...who fumbled and had horrible security even on the one that wasn't a fumble. Hopefully he'll never do it again.

Hell yeah I want Percy back there.
 
2014-01-09 09:39:59 PM
Primitive Screwhead:I think Tate has done a great job in that spot.
How often does Turbin return kicks?


He's been returning them in the second half.  I thought it was his fumble that gave the Cards the possession they needed to take the lead.  His ball handling is kind of careless sometimes.  He's so focused on making the play.
 
2014-01-09 09:40:14 PM

jackiepaper: On a neutral field, the Pats and the Broncos can and would beat them.


We'll see, hopefully. I don't think so, however, and there's no reason to believe with any level of confidence that those teams would.
 
2014-01-09 09:41:09 PM

jackiepaper: wiseolddude: If Seattle stays healthy, no other team will stand a chance against them. The only close game will be against SF next weekend.

On a neutral field, the Pats and the Broncos can and would beat them.


Show your work!
 
2014-01-09 09:45:48 PM

harleyquinnical: I thought it was his fumble that gave the Cards the possession they needed to take the lead.  His ball handling is kind of careless sometimes.  He's so focused on making the play.


Nope, Sherman picked Palmer off in the end zone on that possession. Cards scored the game-winner after the Seahawks took a 10-9 lead on a TD on the previous drive.

/then after they scored, Wilson threw a pass that bounced off the ground and got intercepted
 
2014-01-09 09:46:09 PM

jackiepaper: wiseolddude: If Seattle stays healthy, no other team will stand a chance against them. The only close game will be against SF next weekend.

On a neutral field, the Pats and the Broncos can and would beat them.


Broncos defense is weak as hell and I'm not sure exactly who Brady has left to throw to.  I'd give the Seahawks at least a field goal edge in both matchups.
 
2014-01-09 10:47:04 PM
Harvin acts as though everyone doubts him and hates him for missing most of the season.

As asinine as that is, considering Seattle fans have been salivating to see hom play week after week, his attitude will having him playing as though he has something to prove.

Which he does, really. They paid a ton for a guy with a history of injury issues.

But man, he is suddenly the big X factor. N.O. has practically nothing to work with preparing for him. Good luck Hair Ryan.
 
2014-01-09 11:10:30 PM

IAmRight: Nope, Sherman picked Palmer off in the end zone on that possession. Cards scored the game-winner after the Seahawks took a 10-9 lead on a TD on the previous drive.

/then after they scored, Wilson threw a pass that bounced off the ground and got intercepted


Okay, fine.  Maybe it was against the Niners.  All I can remember is Turbin took it out of the endzone and promptly fumbled for the other team to recover in the red zone.
 
2014-01-09 11:12:50 PM
So I guess that is it then? No reason to even play the game it is so lopsided in the Seahawk's favor?
 
2014-01-09 11:28:51 PM

harleyquinnical: Okay, fine.  Maybe it was against the Niners.  All I can remember is Turbin took it out of the endzone and promptly fumbled for the other team to recover in the red zone.


No no, he did fumble it in the Cards game. It's just that Palmer threw a pick so it didn't immediately end up in points.

But yeah, he nearly fumbled it on a return before (luckily they reviewed it after trying to give that one to the Cardinals too and that one was so obvious even the idiot who thinks that Doug Baldwin's arm changes colors completely when footballs get near it had to rule it down by contact). Then he fumbled that one.

Harvin, meanwhile, has been back there for one KR all year and returned it 58 yards. That's after averaging 32 and 35 yards/return in 2011 and 2012, compared to Kearse/Turbin getting about 21-22 YPR. Yeah, I want him in there to return kicks.
 
2014-01-09 11:29:54 PM

mikaloyd: So I guess that is it then? No reason to even play the game it is so lopsided in the Seahawk's favor?


No one's dumb enough to say that. Though if the Saints WANT to forfeit, we'd appreciate it. Much better than risking a fluke loss.
 
2014-01-09 11:38:33 PM

IAmRight: mikaloyd: So I guess that is it then? No reason to even play the game it is so lopsided in the Seahawk's favor?

No one's dumb enough to say that.


Except Warren Sapp.  But he's pretty Goddamned dumb.
 
2014-01-09 11:49:12 PM
Warren Sapp and this guy

wiseolddude: If Seattle stays healthy, no other team will stand a chance against them. The only close game will be against SF next weekend.

 
2014-01-09 11:51:41 PM

mikaloyd: Warren Sapp and this guy

wiseolddude: If Seattle stays healthy, no other team will stand a chance against them. The only close game will be against SF next weekend.


Eh, the Seahawks are the best team in the league.

But being the best team for a season doesn't mean a damn thing now that it's the postseason.
 
2014-01-09 11:58:07 PM

IAmRight: mikaloyd: Warren Sapp and this guy

wiseolddude: If Seattle stays healthy, no other team will stand a chance against them. The only close game will be against SF next weekend.

Eh, the Seahawks are the best team in the league.

But being the best team for a season doesn't mean a damn thing now that it's the postseason.


Only 3 games left for any team now. Only one will win all three. All remaining teams are pretty good now.
 
2014-01-10 12:16:11 AM

IAmRight: mikaloyd: Warren Sapp and this guy

wiseolddude: If Seattle stays healthy, no other team will stand a chance against them. The only close game will be against SF next weekend.

Eh, the Seahawks are the best team in the league.

But being the best team for a season doesn't mean a damn thing now that it's the postseason.


If Harvin's healthy, they're way ahead of pretty much everyone.  I think the Panthers have a better shot than people realize.  That is, if they get there.
 
2014-01-10 12:22:39 AM

Dafatone: I think the Panthers have a better shot than people realize.  That is, if they get there.


I'm just hoping they get by San Francisco and the Seahawks at least win this week so I can at least get a week of making fun of my 49ers fan friends and their awful, awful trash talk on FB. The_Sponge posts on a lot of their meme pages so I see a lot of it...man, none of them are even funny. It's kinda sad.

But yeah, there are no easy games.
 
2014-01-10 12:23:05 AM
As a Hawks fan, I laughed at the headline.

I'm also happy Luke (use the force) Wilson is back.  Defenses have been ignoring him and he has made some key catches as our backup TE.
 
2014-01-10 12:32:04 AM
Dafatone:  I think the Panthers have a better shot than people realize.  That is, if they get there.

I know the Panthers have a really good shot at the Superb Owl.  I think they can beat the Niners.  If they have to play the Hawks, it is going to be a hell of a game.  It is going to be exciting this weekend, either way.  I don't see the AFC making it nearly as exciting.
 
2014-01-10 12:37:40 AM

harleyquinnical: Dafatone:  I think the Panthers have a better shot than people realize.  That is, if they get there.

I know the Panthers have a really good shot at the Superb Owl.  I think they can beat the Niners.  If they have to play the Hawks, it is going to be a hell of a game.  It is going to be exciting this weekend, either way.  I don't see the AFC making it nearly as exciting.


Seahawks go 13-3 against a schedule including the AFC South
They then play the winner of a WC matchup between the NFC East winner and a WC from the NFC South after a bye.
It'd be cool if the Panthers came to town to continue the "just like 2005" streak.

/while the Super Bowl is in a sh*tty location again, hopefully this time the result of that game will change.
 
2014-01-10 12:37:42 AM

IAmRight: Dafatone: I think the Panthers have a better shot than people realize.  That is, if they get there.

I'm just hoping they get by San Francisco and the Seahawks at least win this week so I can at least get a week of making fun of my 49ers fan friends and their awful, awful trash talk on FB. The_Sponge posts on a lot of their meme pages so I see a lot of it...man, none of them are even funny. It's kinda sad.

But yeah, there are no easy games.


Heh.

Seriously....they have so many lame meme attempts. If they did something slightly amusing...like Browner trying to intercept a bong instead of a ball, I would chuckle.
 
2014-01-10 12:52:34 AM
I'm one of the idiots that held on to Percy Harvin all season on my fantasy team, got him as my last round pick, considering he was a top 10 fantasy WR last season when healthy in a lousy Minnesota passing offense. Thought I could ride out the injury then add a potential top 15 talent at WR on the cheap. Kept drinking the Kool Aid of those reports that kept saying he was close to a return, and ever week his return kept getting pushed back and pushed back.

Didn't get to play him once. Waste of a bench spot all season.
 
2014-01-10 04:54:36 AM

Why Would I Read the Article: He'll be a decoy that will allow Seattle to run against more nickel coverage, but that's the only benefit they'll get out of him.  Missing nearly two full years tends to leave guys a little rusty.


I can't believe some team out there was dumb enough to give this guy $45 million guaranteed.


Yeah...no.  This was the guy who was leading the league in receptions and yards and was a legitimate MVP candidate when he went down halfway through the season last year...with Christian Ponder throwing to him.  When he played in one game this season, he ran back a kickoff some ~50 yards and made a brilliant fingertip catch while playing about 20 downs.  It was a little too much for him at the time, but he's been practicing full speed all week and he's good to go.

And if he helps Seattle win their first Super Bowl this year, and does absolutely nothing else for them ever again, it will have all been worth it.
 
2014-01-10 08:51:23 AM

IAmRight: Hell yeah I want Percy back there.


Maybe the stats are against me but having him return kicks makes me nervous. I'd hate to see him get injured on a return.
Given his history, he's already a high risk gamble. So I'd rather have him out there strictly as an WR.

/31.5ish hours to go
 
2014-01-10 10:56:36 AM
Here's my solution to the kickoff return problem: only let the Saints kick off once during the game, either at the start of the game or at the start of the second half.
 
2014-01-10 11:40:17 AM
He came back for 1 "I gotta stick it to this team" game, and obviously set his recovery back by doing so.

Now if he is good to go for the playoffs and stays relatively healthy an contributes to a SB win, "WHO CARES! WE GOT A SB!"

If he DOESN'T, then he screwed over the Seahwaks for millions of dollars all for his own ego.

He's awesome when heatlhy. He is also frail. The Vikings didn't offer him this money for that reason. He's a gamble with sky high upside and millions of wasted $ and cap space on the other.

Good luck.
 
2014-01-10 12:28:02 PM

IAmRight: Dafatone: I think the Panthers have a better shot than people realize.  That is, if they get there.

I'm just hoping they get by San Francisco and the Seahawks at least win this week so I can at least get a week of making fun of my 49ers fan friends and their awful, awful trash talk on FB. The_Sponge posts on a lot of their meme pages so I see a lot of it...man, none of them are even funny. It's kinda sad.

But yeah, there are no easy games.


C'mon.  Root for Seahawks Niners.  Let's settle this head to head.

/okay, I'm rooting for Saints Niners, but can you blame me for wanting to play vs NO instead of @ Sea?
 
2014-01-10 12:38:55 PM

Dafatone: IAmRight: Dafatone: I think the Panthers have a better shot than people realize.  That is, if they get there.

I'm just hoping they get by San Francisco and the Seahawks at least win this week so I can at least get a week of making fun of my 49ers fan friends and their awful, awful trash talk on FB. The_Sponge posts on a lot of their meme pages so I see a lot of it...man, none of them are even funny. It's kinda sad.

But yeah, there are no easy games.

C'mon.  Root for Seahawks Niners.  Let's settle this head to head.

/okay, I'm rooting for Saints Niners, but can you blame me for wanting to play vs NO instead of @ Sea?


I'm not sure I can handle the derp of a 3rd SEA/SF matchup this season. I'd have to go full amish to avoid it.
 
2014-01-10 01:01:12 PM
My only concern with Harvin's return is that, with the media making so much of it, there will be an absolute blast of coverage if Harvin fumbles or gets injured or something like that.  Even so, just having him on the field opened up Doug Baldwin on a regular basis in the MN game, so the Saints will have to come up with a better plan than the one they had before.  Stacking the box ain't gonna do much.
 
2014-01-10 01:12:25 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: My only concern with Harvin's return is that, with the media making so much of it, there will be an absolute blast of coverage if Harvin fumbles or gets injured or something like that.  Even so, just having him on the field opened up Doug Baldwin on a regular basis in the MN game, so the Saints will have to come up with a better plan than the one they had before.  Stacking the box ain't gonna do much.


An extra down-field threat against a Rob Ryan D never hurts either. Though I suspect the zero-blitzes will be more limited this time.
 
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