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2014-01-09 04:57:42 PM  
It would probably be beneficial to them anyways, considering their new home in the AL West.  It may help them add a few fans that could conceivably see their games
 
2014-01-09 04:57:54 PM  
So, they want to build a stadium literally a few miles from where the Marlins and Cardinals facility is?

The only tract of land that I could think of available that isn't protected would be at the end of Donald Ross Rd.

I guess all it means for us is two times more baseball sluts in town during spring.
 
2014-01-09 05:04:39 PM  
They have plenty of double-A teams in Florida, anyway.
 
2014-01-09 05:06:17 PM  
They should partner with a Cactus League team in getting a joint facility made out here, like the Snakes and Rockies did. Talking Stick is an amazing facility with cheap motherfarking beer.
 
2014-01-09 05:09:07 PM  
Dear Astros:

Shut the hell up and quit fielding teams that lose 110 games a year.

Sincerely,
SOWB
 
2014-01-09 05:12:38 PM  

Straight Outta Wells Branch: Dear Astros:

Shut the hell up and quit fielding teams that lose 110 games a year.

Sincerely,
SOWB


A whole lot of THIS!  It would also be nice to be able to watch the games on tv again...
 
2014-01-09 05:12:45 PM  
The Cardinals and Marlins are already a couple miles up the road in Jupiter.  Who cares about the Astros?
 
2014-01-09 05:28:33 PM  

fatalvenom: So, they want to build a stadium literally a few miles from where the Marlins and Cardinals facility is?

The only tract of land that I could think of available that isn't protected would be at the end of Donald Ross Rd.

I guess all it means for us is two times more baseball sluts in town during spring.


Its pretty common to build spring training stadiums very close to each other.  Less travel.  Heck, the White Sox *shared* their stadium with the Rockies (?) for awhile.
 
2014-01-09 05:35:12 PM  

neuroflare: They should partner with a Cactus League team in getting a joint facility made out here, like the Snakes and Rockies did. Talking Stick is an amazing facility with cheap motherfarking beer.


This. I just don't know if the money exists to build a new facility. The Cubs get a new place in Mesa this Spring and then Oakland will move into the Cubs' old home (Hohokam Park) next year while ASU takes over Phoenix Muni (the reasoning for which is a crime on to itself). Unless they're willing to play in Tucson, which proved to be a negative for teams when they trained down there.
 
2014-01-09 05:36:13 PM  

downstairs: fatalvenom: So, they want to build a stadium literally a few miles from where the Marlins and Cardinals facility is?

The only tract of land that I could think of available that isn't protected would be at the end of Donald Ross Rd.

I guess all it means for us is two times more baseball sluts in town during spring.

Its pretty common to build spring training stadiums very close to each other.  Less travel.  Heck, the White Sox *shared* their stadium with the Rockies (?) for awhile.


The White Sox share Camelback Ranch with the Dodgers currently
 
2014-01-09 05:52:22 PM  
If you're in a warm weather climate why not just spring train at home?  Seems to me there wouldn't be much weather difference between Arizona, Palm Beach and Houston at that time of the year.
 
2014-01-09 06:16:58 PM  

fatalvenom: So, they want to build a stadium literally a few miles from where the Marlins and Cardinals facility is?

The only tract of land that I could think of available that isn't protected would be at the end of Donald Ross Rd.

I guess all it means for us is two times more baseball sluts in town during spring.


I think that is protected, actually.  (Grew up right next to it in Palm Beach Country Estates.)  If memory serves, it's a (possibly private?) wildlife sanctuary.
 
2014-01-09 06:25:23 PM  

RickyWilliams'sBong: fatalvenom: So, they want to build a stadium literally a few miles from where the Marlins and Cardinals facility is?

The only tract of land that I could think of available that isn't protected would be at the end of Donald Ross Rd.

I guess all it means for us is two times more baseball sluts in town during spring.

I think that is protected, actually.  (Grew up right next to it in Palm Beach Country Estates.)  If memory serves, it's a (possibly private?) wildlife sanctuary.


My GF who grew up in PBCE as well just informed me that it is protected. So there goes that.

Plus I would have a hard time believing the rich farks in Old Marsh would allow something that noisy near their gorgeous golf course.

*fist bump to a fellow NPBCer*
 
2014-01-09 06:27:59 PM  

fatalvenom: The only tract of land that I could think of available that isn't protected would be at the end of Donald Ross Rd


I went to the Astros complex years ago and it seemed worn.  The thought of them moving to Donald Ross Rd just scares me. I don't need a family name associated with that kind of baseball.

CSB time:  The road is not named for the golf course designer as many people think.  It was named for my great uncle; he died in WWII and was from Lake Park.
 
2014-01-09 06:31:30 PM  
Really???
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2014-01-09 06:31:54 PM  

fatalvenom: My GF who grew up in PBCE as well just informed me that it is protected. So there goes that.

Plus I would have a hard time believing the rich farks in Old Marsh would allow something that noisy near their gorgeous golf course.

*fist bump to a fellow NPBCer*


*fist bump*

Christ, farking Old Marsh.
 
2014-01-09 06:33:57 PM  

peachy92: fatalvenom: The only tract of land that I could think of available that isn't protected would be at the end of Donald Ross Rd

I went to the Astros complex years ago and it seemed worn.  The thought of them moving to Donald Ross Rd just scares me. I don't need a family name associated with that kind of baseball.

CSB time:  The road is not named for the golf course designer as many people think.  It was named for my great uncle; he died in WWII and was from Lake Park.


Wow. I did not know that.

I know Toney Pena Dr. In Jupiter is named for Toney Pena the golfer, my dad was friends with him when it was dedicated in his honor.

I'll have to look up the naming history of Donald Ross Rd., I know he designed and built Frenchman's Creek G&CC that is situated on DR Rd.

That road was strawberry fields until they built that place.
 
2014-01-09 06:36:41 PM  

RickyWilliams'sBong: fatalvenom: My GF who grew up in PBCE as well just informed me that it is protected. So there goes that.

Plus I would have a hard time believing the rich farks in Old Marsh would allow something that noisy near their gorgeous golf course.

*fist bump to a fellow NPBCer*

*fist bump*

Christ, farking Old Marsh.


I've played that track quite a few times, it is awesome.

Although the snob contingent member base is incredible. I wore a pink shirt to play one time and they said the only accept salmon colored shirts.

Assholes.
 
2014-01-09 06:45:12 PM  

fatalvenom: I've played that track quite a few times, it is awesome.

Although the snob contingent member base is incredible. I wore a pink shirt to play one time and they said the only accept salmon colored shirts.

Assholes.


Northern PBC has always been kind of a hilarious place.  You get it all there -- from the wannabe-aristocrats at some of the country clubs to the bubbas mudding in their 4x4s when they get off work from the sheriff's office down on Gun Club, all united by the religion that is Publix.
 
2014-01-09 06:49:29 PM  

BizarreMan: If you're in a warm weather climate why not just spring train at home?  Seems to me there wouldn't be much weather difference between Arizona, Palm Beach and Houston at that time of the year.


Because...

1- You want to practice with other teams nearby, without having to get on a plane all the time.

2- Those spring training complexes get used all season long by the teams. Rehab work, extended spring training, instructional leagues, rookie ball, etc. They don't exist just for February and March.
 
2014-01-09 06:52:05 PM  

RickyWilliams'sBong: fatalvenom: I've played that track quite a few times, it is awesome.

Although the snob contingent member base is incredible. I wore a pink shirt to play one time and they said the only accept salmon colored shirts.

Assholes.

Northern PBC has always been kind of a hilarious place.  You get it all there -- from the wannabe-aristocrats at some of the country clubs to the bubbas mudding in their 4x4s when they get off work from the sheriff's office down on Gun Club, all united by the religion that is Publix.


Ah Publix.

The mecca of supermarket Subs.
 
2014-01-09 06:52:21 PM  
You know this a thing that has bugged me  about warm climate teams such as Astros, Dodgers,Padres.

The spring weather where they play is generally good enough they could just practice on their home field and save money having a second facility to maintain and run.

I can understand teams in more northerly climates have need for such facilities though, as spring comes late to places like New York and Boston, and still later to places like Milwaukee and Minnesota.
 
2014-01-09 06:52:39 PM  
Development-mad Winter Haven, which is in the middle of nowhere, couldn't wait to get rid of spring training baseball.  I'm surprised that Ann Coulter didn't try to have Palm Beach ban baseball because of the hoi polloi.
 
2014-01-09 06:55:33 PM  

fatalvenom: Ah Publix.

The mecca of supermarket Subs.


Don't forget that cake frosting they make.  I think Publix is half the reason my wife agreed to come back to Florida from DC.
 
2014-01-09 06:57:28 PM  

RickyWilliams'sBong: fatalvenom: Ah Publix.

The mecca of supermarket Subs.

Don't forget that cake frosting they make.  I think Publix is half the reason my wife agreed to come back to Florida from DC.


Shiat, my new favorite this their chicken noodle soup, fresh in the deli along with all the other soups.

Their mojo rotiss chicken is pretty badass as well.

/we sidetracked the shiat out of this thread
 
2014-01-09 06:59:25 PM  

Omnivorous: Development-mad Winter Haven, which is in the middle of nowhere, couldn't wait to get rid of spring training baseball.  I'm surprised that Ann Coulter didn't try to have Palm Beach ban baseball because of the hoi polloi.


Ann Coulter probably couldn't spell baseball.

Plus she wouldn't watch it. Too many minorities that are making more money than the service worker pittance she would pay the maids.
 
2014-01-09 07:03:24 PM  

fatalvenom: /we sidetracked the shiat out of this thread


Heh.

I think we're in the clear.  It is the Astros, after all.
 
2014-01-09 07:05:21 PM  

RickyWilliams'sBong: fatalvenom: /we sidetracked the shiat out of this thread

Heh.

I think we're in the clear.  It is the Astros, after all.


Ha.

True.

If you don't mind my asking, where in FL did u relocate to?
 
2014-01-09 07:05:59 PM  
"Absolutely, yeah," team lawyer Giles Kibbe said. "I'm probably going over there (to Arizona) in two weeks. I'm going over there to do a few things, but that will be one of them.

"I've been over there several times. Before we started serious discussions with Palm Beach Gardens, I had been looking at sites in Arizona, and talking to a lot of different people there. It's time to renew those discussions."

"And I told me wife that if I see her sneaking around with that Jerry Flynn again I'm totally going to leave her.  This time for sure.  I know you work at Century 21, Jerry.  Don't make me call your supervisor and let him know what you're up to on company time."
 
2014-01-09 07:19:02 PM  

fatalvenom: Ha.

True.

If you don't mind my asking, where in FL did u relocate to?


Not at all.  Tallahassee.
 
2014-01-09 07:23:04 PM  

RickyWilliams'sBong: fatalvenom: Ha.

True.

If you don't mind my asking, where in FL did u relocate to?

Not at all.  Tallahassee.


Yikes.

God bless.
 
2014-01-09 08:11:39 PM  

fatalvenom: Ah Publix.

The mecca of supermarket Subs.


This.  My best friend used to live within a five minute walk of a Publix in Sunny Isles Beach and no matter what, we don't leave Florida on our trips back without stopping at one to get Cubans for the flight back.  Those things are better than any substance ever depicted being "imported" by Cubans.
 
2014-01-09 08:13:26 PM  
Cactus League > Grapefruit League. It wasn't always this way, but when one can hit all ballparks from one hotel, Cactus for the win.
 
2014-01-09 08:32:51 PM  

desertgeek: neuroflare: They should partner with a Cactus League team in getting a joint facility made out here, like the Snakes and Rockies did. Talking Stick is an amazing facility with cheap motherfarking beer.

This. I just don't know if the money exists to build a new facility. The Cubs get a new place in Mesa this Spring and then Oakland will move into the Cubs' old home (Hohokam Park) next year while ASU takes over Phoenix Muni (the reasoning for which is a crime on to itself). Unless they're willing to play in Tucson, which proved to be a negative for teams when they trained down there.


What happened to Packard?
 
2014-01-09 08:47:24 PM  

johnny queso: desertgeek: neuroflare: They should partner with a Cactus League team in getting a joint facility made out here, like the Snakes and Rockies did. Talking Stick is an amazing facility with cheap motherfarking beer.

This. I just don't know if the money exists to build a new facility. The Cubs get a new place in Mesa this Spring and then Oakland will move into the Cubs' old home (Hohokam Park) next year while ASU takes over Phoenix Muni (the reasoning for which is a crime on to itself). Unless they're willing to play in Tucson, which proved to be a negative for teams when they trained down there.

What happened to Packard?


I thought it was because they couldn't sell beer on campus and needed some more room football... stuff.
 
2014-01-09 08:53:52 PM  
"On Dec. 19, city officials in Palm Beach asked their county officials to evaluate other sites within the county for a stadium. From the Astros' end, there has not been any movement since that decision, Kibbe said. "

I find it hard to believe they didn't drop everything throughout the holidays just to work on keeping this loser team.
 
2014-01-09 09:25:18 PM  

neuroflare: johnny queso: desertgeek: neuroflare: They should partner with a Cactus League team in getting a joint facility made out here, like the Snakes and Rockies did. Talking Stick is an amazing facility with cheap motherfarking beer.

This. I just don't know if the money exists to build a new facility. The Cubs get a new place in Mesa this Spring and then Oakland will move into the Cubs' old home (Hohokam Park) next year while ASU takes over Phoenix Muni (the reasoning for which is a crime on to itself). Unless they're willing to play in Tucson, which proved to be a negative for teams when they trained down there.

What happened to Packard?

I thought it was because they couldn't sell beer on campus and needed some more room football... stuff.


i loved going to games at Packard when i was living there.  mike kelly hit a shot that cleared the big wall in center by what seemed like 20'.  looked like it was still rising as it went out.  some serious brawls and unlv's coach going absolutely batshiat insane after the sun devils hidden-ball tricked them for the second time in one game.

threadjack, sorry.
 
2014-01-09 09:27:21 PM  

edmo: "On Dec. 19, city officials in Palm Beach asked their county officials to evaluate other sites within the county for a stadium. From the Astros' end, there has not been any movement since that decision, Kibbe said. "

I find it hard to believe they didn't drop everything throughout the holidays just to work on keeping this loser team.


Well they will probably won't get around the vote tonight, considering there has been 7-9" of rain dropped in this area since 6:00pm.
 
2014-01-09 09:40:26 PM  
I was pissed when Dodgertown closed. I had been going there since I was a kid in the early 80s. I keep hearing that the florida teams will disappear every now and then.

/now lives within 5 miles of the Mets spring training
//its a good facility but doesnt compare to the interaction you could get at Dodgertown.
 
2014-01-09 09:45:09 PM  
Wasn't there talk a few months ago of the Jays leaving Florida as well and teaming up with the Astros on a new stadium?
 
2014-01-09 09:51:22 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: I was pissed when Dodgertown closed. I had been going there since I was a kid in the early 80s. I keep hearing that the florida teams will disappear every now and then.

/now lives within 5 miles of the Mets spring training
//its a good facility but doesnt compare to the interaction you could get at Dodgertown.


You live in Port Saint Lousy?

I now have you faved as..."lives in the 6th borough"
 
2014-01-09 10:13:50 PM  
The proposed site is on Central between Hood Road and PGA Blvd, Old Palm is across the road. Site is small for a two team facility and the neighbors are up in arms.....
 
2014-01-09 10:25:11 PM  

johnny queso: i loved going to games at Packard when i was living there. mike kelly hit a shot that cleared the big wall in center by what seemed like 20'. looked like it was still rising as it went out. some serious brawls and unlv's coach going absolutely batshiat insane after the sun devils hidden-ball tricked them for the second time in one game.

threadjack, sorry.


Best thing I remember was attending summer baseball camp with ASU players, coaches, and a bunch of us little leaguers. That was awesome.
 
2014-01-09 11:53:45 PM  
Isn't one of the bigger problems in Florida that the sites are pretty far apart?  At least that's what I've heard former players say.  The places in AZ are all really close to each other (aside from when Tuscon was still being using) and they are new.
 
2014-01-10 12:20:33 AM  
Don't be surprised if everyone ends us in Arizona. The travel in Florida is ridiculous for Spring Training.
 
2014-01-10 03:09:48 AM  

JSam21: Don't be surprised if everyone ends us in Arizona. The travel in Florida is ridiculous for Spring Training.


also the weather
 
2014-01-10 03:14:37 AM  

neuroflare: JSam21: Don't be surprised if everyone ends us in Arizona. The travel in Florida is ridiculous for Spring Training.

also the weather


True. Rain almost every day and 8 hour round trip bus rides will be the death of the grapefruit league
 
2014-01-10 03:20:25 AM  

BizarreMan: If you're in a warm weather climate why not just spring train at home?  Seems to me there wouldn't be much weather difference between Arizona, Palm Beach and Houston at that time of the year.


Because they use the spring facility for low A and short season ball for the rest of the year. You also need multiple full fields, a few infield only fields, larger indoor batting tunnels, larger club houses, larger/more office space and larger bullpen areas to accommodate the sheer number of players and coaches in a spring training camp.
 
2014-01-10 05:40:12 AM  

JSam21: neuroflare: JSam21: Don't be surprised if everyone ends us in Arizona. The travel in Florida is ridiculous for Spring Training.

also the weather

True. Rain almost every day and 8 hour round trip bus rides will be the death of the grapefruit league


Not soon enough. It's farking ridiculous the amount of money the teams extort from the local governments. On the West coast this is especially bad since most of the counties underfund schools and infrastructure to a criminal extent due to it being populated with mostly old farkheads from up north who couldn't care less about such things.
 
2014-01-10 09:17:52 AM  
I have been to several spring training games in AZ, and found it an excellent experience. Not sure why you would want to be in FL when it could rain much more often than in AZ. Maybe they could build a shared stadium with the Brewers? Preferably away from Maryvale. Great facility in the middle of a not so nice area.
 
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