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2014-01-09 04:33:54 PM
Whatever, just terraform it into plains in 20 years or so
 
2014-01-09 04:35:36 PM
Hey my Metro got 50mpg on the highway.  Sure it had no A/C, no radio initially, no power, and a 1L 3 cylinder engine, but it probably helped the environment more than a Prius does today.
 
2014-01-09 04:36:40 PM
FTFA: Reversing climate change via huge artificial volcanic eruptions... The controversial idea of geoengineering - deliberately changing the Earth's climate - is being seriously discussed as a last-ditch way of avoiding dangerous global warming if efforts to slash greenhouse gas emissions fail.


It is?  First I've heard of this stupid idea.
 
2014-01-09 04:39:29 PM

BAMFinator: Hey my Metro got 50mpg on the highway.  Sure it had no A/C, no radio initially, no power, and a 1L 3 cylinder engine, but it probably helped the environment more than a Prius does today.


Yeah but it dont meet modern crash safety standards
 
2014-01-09 04:41:00 PM

BAMFinator: Hey my Metro got 50mpg on the highway.  Sure it had no A/C, no radio initially, no power, and a 1L 3 cylinder engine, but it probably helped the environment more than a Prius does today.


Hell, I got mine loaded to the gills (ac, and radio) and it probably STILL did more for the environment than the prius.


/over 30 mpg
 
2014-01-09 04:48:35 PM
I admit, at the time I thought those little pop up headlights on the Storm were cool
ts1.mm.bing.net
 
2014-01-09 04:48:42 PM

BAMFinator: Hey my Metro got 50mpg on the highway.  Sure it had no A/C, no radio initially, no power, and a 1L 3 cylinder engine, but it probably helped the environment more than a Prius does today.


My Ford Escort got 40 mpg highway with no A/C, a stick shift, and a 4 banger.  My don't some of these self righteous coonts learn to drive a stick and get over themselves.
 
2014-01-09 04:56:45 PM
lovingenergies.spruz.com
 
2014-01-09 05:03:34 PM

btraz70: I admit, at the time I thought those little pop up headlights on the Storm were cool
[ts1.mm.bing.net image 300x185]


I had one in high school just like it..Best POS car I ever had
 
2014-01-09 05:13:27 PM
I suppose Halliburton will get this contract too, fark it up, and cover most of Indonesia and the Philippines in red hot magma.
 
2014-01-09 05:18:28 PM

hasty ambush: [lovingenergies.spruz.com image 817x581]


And? That's actually not too far from what's going on right now.

Failure is yours.
 
2014-01-09 05:31:57 PM
My Metro lasted me a good 7 years with great gas mileage. Probably would've lasted longer if I'd maintained it better. And I know it had a radio and A/C. Don't think it had power anything. If it did it was power brakes.
 
2014-01-09 05:51:56 PM

here to help: hasty ambush: [lovingenergies.spruz.com image 817x581]

And? That's actually not too far from what's going on right now.

Failure is yours.


We've come close to iceless arctics?
 
2014-01-09 05:53:49 PM

hasty ambush: [lovingenergies.spruz.com image 817x581]


The big cargo companies are already planning out Northwest Passage routes for Northern Hemisphere summertime.  Why pay the tolls in the Panama Canal?
 
2014-01-09 05:57:11 PM

hasty ambush: [lovingenergies.spruz.com image 817x581]


Yeah, sure, we should always believe what our benevolent corporate masters tell us. They are always looking out for us.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-09 06:00:41 PM

DubtodaIll: We've come close to iceless arctics?


If you look closely it says arctic SUMMERS and yes, the ice has been receding back to alarming distances in recent years.

I guess us moonies won't have a point until it's totally gone. Then we can just ride the train to armageddon until Jebus comes and plucks you true mavericks up into heaven leaving the rest of us down here to think about how foolish we all were for actually giving a damn. Right?
 
2014-01-09 06:03:28 PM
You'll also notice how that image has been conveniently cropped to omit what the article was actually saying.

It's almost like a thread ambush. A hasty one at that.
 
2014-01-09 06:04:20 PM

DubtodaIll: here to help: hasty ambush: [lovingenergies.spruz.com image 817x581]

And? That's actually not too far from what's going on right now.

Failure is yours.

We've come close to iceless arctics?


The Northwest Passage was open in September of 2012 at the end of the summer.

www.arcus.org

The pink line is apparently the avg ice edge from 1979 to 2000, and white is where the ice was in 2012.  So still sealed up in the winter, and the ice at the tippy top isn't gone yet in the summer, but yeah, there's a LOT less sea ice up there during the summertimes recently.  I'd have to hunt a bit more for the picture for 2013 summertime.
 
2014-01-09 06:07:15 PM

here to help: DubtodaIll: We've come close to iceless arctics?

If you look closely it says arctic SUMMERS and yes, the ice has been receding back to alarming distances in recent years.

I guess us moonies won't have a point until it's totally gone. Then we can just ride the train to armageddon until Jebus comes and plucks you true mavericks up into heaven leaving the rest of us down here to think about how foolish we all were for actually giving a damn. Right?


Ummm oook. I'm not out to get you man. But it is a valid point that none of the loudest predictions more than five years old have come true. The reason climate alarmists aren't taken seriously is that they oversell the situation and never seem to actually be right or have any viable solutions to adjust to climate change.
 
2014-01-09 06:07:57 PM
And here's the end of summer 2013:

static.guim.co.uk

Looks like Canada bogarted the passage again.
 
2014-01-09 06:07:57 PM

Bonzo_1116: DubtodaIll: here to help: hasty ambush: [lovingenergies.spruz.com image 817x581]

And? That's actually not too far from what's going on right now.

Failure is yours.

We've come close to iceless arctics?

The Northwest Passage was open in September of 2012 at the end of the summer.

[www.arcus.org image 450x268]

The pink line is apparently the avg ice edge from 1979 to 2000, and white is where the ice was in 2012.  So still sealed up in the winter, and the ice at the tippy top isn't gone yet in the summer, but yeah, there's a LOT less sea ice up there during the summertimes recently.  I'd have to hunt a bit more for the picture for 2013 summertime.


These guys will still be denying when there isn't enough ice left up there for a cocktail. It's a mental illness... like literally. I think it even got classified as such recently.
 
2014-01-09 06:09:32 PM

here to help: DubtodaIll: We've come close to iceless arctics?

If you look closely it says arctic SUMMERS and yes, the ice has been receding back to alarming distances in recent years.

I guess us moonies won't have a point until it's totally gone. Then we can just ride the train to armageddon until Jebus comes and plucks you true mavericks up into heaven leaving the rest of us down here to think about how foolish we all were for actually giving a damn. Right?


media2.s-nbcnews.com

You should tell these guys about your findings.

/would also like to subscribe to your newsletter.
 
2014-01-09 06:09:51 PM

DubtodaIll: Ummm oook. I'm not out to get you man. But it is a valid point that none of the loudest predictions more than five years old have come true. The reason climate alarmists aren't taken seriously is that they oversell the situation and never seem to actually be right or have any viable solutions to adjust to climate change.


Yes. That's all totally true. Therefore let's do nothing.
 
2014-01-09 06:13:27 PM

here to help: DubtodaIll: Ummm oook. I'm not out to get you man. But it is a valid point that none of the loudest predictions more than five years old have come true. The reason climate alarmists aren't taken seriously is that they oversell the situation and never seem to actually be right or have any viable solutions to adjust to climate change.

Yes. That's all totally true. Therefore let's do nothing.


Do you find people disagreeing with you pretty much all the time? I'm sure it's just a coincidence but you really shouldn't make such a strong effort to make enemies out of neutral participants. I didn't say nothing needs to be done.
 
2014-01-09 06:13:39 PM

politech: here to help: DubtodaIll: We've come close to iceless arctics?

If you look closely it says arctic SUMMERS and yes, the ice has been receding back to alarming distances in recent years.

I guess us moonies won't have a point until it's totally gone. Then we can just ride the train to armageddon until Jebus comes and plucks you true mavericks up into heaven leaving the rest of us down here to think about how foolish we all were for actually giving a damn. Right?

[media2.s-nbcnews.com image 600x382]

You should tell these guys about your findings.

/would also like to subscribe to your newsletter.


It's almost like it was winter when that happened.

But yes. Let's all let a fellow on the internet who goes by the handle Hasty Ambush lead us to salvation. He seems legit.
 
2014-01-09 06:15:25 PM

DubtodaIll: neutral


lulz
 
2014-01-09 06:19:00 PM
We need chemtrails now more than ever
 
2014-01-09 06:20:36 PM
North West Passage blocked with ice - yachts caught

The Northwest Passage after decades of so-called global warming has a dramatic 60% more Arctic ice this year than at the same time last year. The future dreams of dozens of adventurous sailors are now threatened. A scattering of yachts attempting the legendary Passage are caught by the ice, which has now become blocked at both ends and the transit season may be ending early. Douglas Pohl tells the story:

The Passage has become blocked with 5/10 concentrated drifting sea ice at both the eastern and at the western ends of Canada's Arctic Archipelago. At least 22 yachts and other vessels are in the Arctic at the moment. Some who were less advanced have retreated and others have abandoned their vessels along the way. Still others are caught in the ice in an unfolding, unresolved drama.

The real question is if and when the Canadian Coast Guard(CCG) decides to take early action to help the yachts exit the Arctic before freeze-up... or will they wait until it becomes an emergency rescue operation?

The first blockage area is at Prince Regent Inlet in position 73.7880535N, -89.2529297W which became blocked on 27th August with 5/10 ice concentration with 7/10 ice pushing.

This effectively closes the 2013 Northwest Passage without Canadian Coast Guard icebreaker escorts for transit. The alternative is a very technical and risky southern navigation through Fury & Hecla Strait mostly blocked with sea ice.
 
2014-01-09 06:23:02 PM

Hack Patooey: FTFA: Reversing climate change via huge artificial volcanic eruptions... The controversial idea of geoengineering - deliberately changing the Earth's climate - is being seriously discussed as a last-ditch way of avoiding dangerous global warming if efforts to slash greenhouse gas emissions fail.


It is?  First I've heard of this stupid idea.


Yeah, my first thought was, "Wow! Really? We're really thinking about doing this?!" I thought this was purely super-villain territory,
 
2014-01-09 06:26:58 PM

Oldiron_79: BAMFinator: Hey my Metro got 50mpg on the highway.  Sure it had no A/C, no radio initially, no power, and a 1L 3 cylinder engine, but it probably helped the environment more than a Prius does today.

Yeah but it dont meet modern crash safety standards


how did we all survive?
 
2014-01-09 06:29:01 PM
Just start adding / leaving sulfur in the worlds diesel supplies,  all fixed.

/kidding
//kind of
 
2014-01-09 06:34:10 PM
German scientists are predicting that the Earth will cool over the next century.


2013 North American cold wave -recird setting cold temperatures in Canda and all 50 states

Early 2012 European cold wave - As of February 11, 2012 at least 590 people died during a cold snap with temperatures falling below −35 °C (−31 °F) in some regions.[5] Ukraine is the worst hit, with over 100 deaths related to the cold

Winter of 2010-2011 in Great Britain and Ireland - It was referred to as The Big Freeze by national media in both United Kingdom and Ireland and it was the coldest winter in Britain for 31 years with an average temperature of 1.51 °C

2009-2010 European Cold Wave - At least 90 are confirmed dead after record low temperatures and heavy snowfall across Europe causes travel disruption to much of the continent including the British Isles, France, the Low Countries, Germany, Austria, Italy, Poland, the Baltic States, the Balkans, Ukraine and Russia. Coldest winter for 30 years in the UK with the longest sustained cold spell since 1981

Early 2009 European Cold Wave - Early January gave most of Europe, especially in central and south very cold temperatures. Some places like Germany, France, Italy, Romania and Spain had record cold temperatures well below 0 °C (32 °F). Most of the places were covered in snow and ice which caused school closings and airport delays.

2008 Alaska Cold Wave- In early February, Alaska experienced some of the coldest temperatures for 8 years, with Fairbanks nearing −50 °F (−45.6 °C) and Chicken, Alaska bottoming out at −72 °F (−57.8 °C), a mere eight °F (4.4 °C) away from the record of −80 °F (−62.2 °C). The first half of January also brought unusual cold weather and heavy snow to widespread regions of China and the Middle East.

2007 Argentine cold wave - An interaction with an area of low pressure systems across Argentina during the July 6, July 7 and 8 of 2007, and the entry of a massive polar cold snap resulted in severe snowfalls and blizzards, and recorded temperatures below −32 °C (−26 °F). The cold snap advanced from the south towards the central zone of the country, continuing its displacement towards the north during Saturday, July 7. On Monday July 9, the simultaneous presence of very cold air, gave place to the occurrence of snowfalls. This phenomenon left at least 23 people dead

2007 Northern Hemisphere cold wave - All of Canada and most of the United States underwent a freeze after a two-week warming that took place in late March and early April. Crops froze, wind picked up, and snow drizzled much of the United States. Some parts of Europe also experienced unusual cold winter-like temperatures, during that time.

2005-2006 European cold wave - Eastern Europe and Russia saw a very cold winter. Some of them saw their coldest on record or since the 1970s. Snow was an abundance in unusual places, such as in southern Spain and Northern Africa. All the winter months that season saw temperatures well below average across the continent.

2004-2005 Southern Europe cold wave - All areas of Southern Europe saw an unusually hard winter. This area saw an ice storm which have a 1 in 1000 chance of happening.[citation needed] This cold front caused snow in Algeria, which is extremely unusual. The south of Spain and Morocco also recorded freezing temperatures, and record freezing temperatures were observed on the north of Portugal and Spain.

2004 January cold outbreak, Northeast United States - New England was near a record month when frequent Arctic fronts caused unusually cold weather. Boston was one of their coldest in 114 years. Virginia Beach had an unusually long period of below freezing weather. One area of New York saw 150 inches (381 cm) of snow in a month. Many parts of the western and midwestern area of the country seen the effect as well.
 
2014-01-09 06:48:00 PM

Hack Patooey: FTFA: Reversing climate change via huge artificial volcanic eruptions... The controversial idea of geoengineering - deliberately changing the Earth's climate - is being seriously discussed as a last-ditch way of avoiding dangerous global warming if efforts to slash greenhouse gas emissions fail.


It is?  First I've heard of this stupid idea.


You're not alone in that, and I've heard some purt stoopid idears.
 
2014-01-09 06:58:28 PM

btraz70: I admit, at the time I thought those little pop up headlights on the Storm were cool
[ts1.mm.bing.net image 300x185]


Some stoner kid I knew had one of those.  At the time I thought it was a pretty cool car.
 
2014-01-09 07:12:06 PM

Bonzo_1116: And here's the end of summer 2013:

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x431]

Looks like Canada bogarted the passage again.


As everyone knows, complex systems never oscillate during transients.  I'll bet you think the Earth model is a first order differential equation.
 
2014-01-09 07:18:53 PM
Just hit us with a meteorite and get all this global warming/cooling bullshiat over with.
 
2014-01-09 07:21:32 PM

Hollie Maea: Bonzo_1116: And here's the end of summer 2013:

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x431]

Looks like Canada bogarted the passage again.

As everyone knows, complex systems never oscillate during transients.  I'll bet you think the Earth model is a first order differential equation.


Not at all, I think we're seeing the leading edge of the shift.  Even at the 2013 level, that's a lot less ice than we've seen previously--and like I said, shipping companies are already laying their bets on the Passage being open more often in doing some of their long range planning.

What was more interesting to me was the wintertime Arctic ice lately versus the average from the last few decades; it looks like some areas are getting more acreage (like in the south side of the Bering Sea), while some places there's less (northeast of Scandanavia).  It makes me wonder if what we can look forward to is bigger temp swings/different precipitation patterns up in the high Arctic, leading to wider but thinner ice in the winter followed by really rapid melting in the summer.  It'll probably play merry hell with fishing patterns up there.
 
2014-01-09 07:23:05 PM
more ocean more fish win win
 
2014-01-09 07:23:25 PM
nevermind the fact that every "geo" was just a re-badged car made by another company for another market.
the tracker was a suzuki sidekick
the storm was an isuzu impulse
the prizm was a toyota corolla
the metro was a suzuki swift
and the spectrum was an isuzu gemini

basically, GM licensed a ton of efficient cars since they couldn't build one then slapped a "geo" badge on it so as to not tarnish the image of any of their other brands.
 
2014-01-09 07:24:13 PM

DubtodaIll: none of the loudest predictions more than five years old have come true.


"Loudest"?

What does this even mean? The mainstream scientific position on climate is represented by the IPCC. And the IPCC reports have demonstrated clearly that Arctic sea ice is melting far more rapidly than predicted.

i.imgur.com

And this out of context:

hasty ambush: [lovingenergies.spruz.com image 817x581]


Is a total misrepresentation.of the science, taking an outlier, which other scientists in the same article disagree with as being too pessimistic, as though it was a mainstream claim.
 
2014-01-09 07:26:30 PM

hasty ambush: German scientists* are predicting that the Earth will cool over the next century.


*Two, from a right wing think thank, the German equivalent of the Heartland Institute, "publishing" in their own think tank's newsletter.
 
2014-01-09 07:30:41 PM
Why are you people talking about polar ice again? FFS, somebody is suggesting that somebody is suggesting we set off artificial volcanoes. Artificial volcanoes on a large scale.

Even if idiot deniers were satisfied that it's real (they aren't, but it is) and they wanted to talk about how to fix it (they don't, but they should), this is a stupid idea. The linked study assessing the feasibility is equivalent to a study assessing if hitting Gillian on the head with a coconut will reverse the memory loss effects of him getting hit on the head by Skipper with a seashell hammer. That's a terrible idea with zero chance of a positive outcome, too.

This has got to be a false flag thing by the Deniers so they can point and laugh at how crazy people who believe that global warming is a problem are.
 
2014-01-09 07:45:25 PM
what we need is sharks with frikkin
lazers
 
2014-01-09 07:46:27 PM

Hack Patooey: It is?  First I've heard of this stupid idea.


Ecobuckeye: Yeah, my first thought was, "Wow! Really? We're really thinking about doing this?!" I thought this was purely super-villain territory,


doglover: You're not alone in that, and I've heard some purt stoopid idears.


MrBallou: That's a terrible idea with zero chance of a positive outcome, too.

This has got to be a false flag thing by the Deniers so they can point and laugh at how crazy people who believe that global warming is a problem are.


It's far from an ideal solution, but it's been discussed extensively for well over a decade (e.g. Govindasamy and Caldiera, 2000). It would be cheaper and more politically feasible to simply set a pigovian price on carbon emissions, but if we fail to do that, it may be the only form of triage we have.
 
2014-01-09 07:51:18 PM

Jon Snow: It's far from an ideal solution, but it's been discussed extensively for well over a decade (e.g. Govindasamy and Caldiera, 2000). It would be cheaper and more politically feasible to simply set a pigovian price on carbon emissions, but if we fail to do that, it may be the only form of triage we have.


It just goes to show how profoundly penny wise pound foolish it is to ignore climate change.  It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic.
 
2014-01-09 09:47:41 PM
here to help:

It's almost like it was winter when that happened.

But yes. Let's all let a fellow on the internet who goes by the handle Hasty Ambush lead us to salvation. He seems legit.


Isn't it summer in the southern hemisphere when it's winter in the northern hemisphere?

Why yes, yes it is.

/don't let that stop you though, you are winning the fark!
 
2014-01-09 10:24:11 PM
Can mankind cause anything *but* a drought? Can't we cause flooding once in awhile, or better yet, a desert to bloom somewhere?

"Science discovers that throwing huge amounts of moisture into the atmosphere causes drought"

/Man does X: Drought. Well, okay, what about Y? Drought. Z? Oh, you'd better believe that's a drought.
 
2014-01-09 10:26:07 PM

hasty ambush: North West Passage blocked with ice - yachts caught

The Northwest Passage after decades of so-called global warming has a dramatic 60% more Arctic ice this year than at the same time last year.


You can't cherry-pick and not know it.
 
2014-01-09 10:28:35 PM

Snarfangel: Can mankind cause anything *but* a drought? Can't we cause flooding once in awhile, or better yet, a desert to bloom somewhere?


Funny you should ask. Pakistan suffered such extreme flooding 2 years in a row that they lost almost all their agriculture. There was extreme flooding in Australia last year.

(You were asking in order to find out, yes?)
 
2014-01-09 10:35:57 PM

yakmans_dad: Snarfangel: Can mankind cause anything *but* a drought? Can't we cause flooding once in awhile, or better yet, a desert to bloom somewhere?

Funny you should ask. Pakistan suffered such extreme flooding 2 years in a row that they lost almost all their agriculture. There was extreme flooding in Australia last year.

(You were asking in order to find out, yes?)



More like, every time I hear about a climate catastrophe, it's always a drought. Perhaps because people associate heat with drought, but it seems kind of silly that the end result of everything we do is the same thing.

Hadn't heard the Pakistan floods blamed on climate change, though I did hear about the bumper crop of spiders they had.
www.hoax-slayer.com
 
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