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2014-01-09 04:20:12 PM  
Welcome, Apple Haters.

Begin showing us your complexes, hate, and regaling us with tales of how your e-junk is bigger than everyone else's.
 
2014-01-09 04:44:39 PM  
* crickets *
 
2014-01-09 04:44:57 PM  
I farking HATE iphones. I had to trade my daughter because she couldn't get it to do some things she needed so I gave her my wonderful Droid Galaxy.
Now my farking computer freezes on iTunes, I have to download something to put it on something else, I can't just plug it into a computer like a thumb drive to transfer files. I have to convert movies into another format.  Fark Apple and anything starting with a small i.
"Oh, we have to be different. We need you to buy all sorts of crap that only works with our stuff."

/man, I miss my Droid. So simple. I just wanted something simple.
 
2014-01-09 04:45:10 PM  

spidermann: Welcome, Apple Haters.

Begin showing us your complexes, hate, and regaling us with tales of how your e-junk is bigger than everyone else's.


I got nothin' bad to say about Apple.  It's the best chinese company we do business with.
 
2014-01-09 04:45:40 PM  

spidermann: Welcome, Apple Haters.

Begin showing us your complexes, hate, and regaling us with tales of how your e-junk is bigger than everyone else's.


I'll get this party started.

"turning the smartphone industry on its head even as Apple continue to scramble to finish work on the iPhone"

How can they turn an industry they invented on it's head?

/runs away
 
2014-01-09 04:47:34 PM  
How, exactly, has the world changed due to the Iphone?
 
2014-01-09 04:49:34 PM  
Got mine about three weeks after it went on sale.  When the app store opened, there were less than 500 apps available, and they were mostly flashlights and calculators.  On my fourth iPhone now, loved them all.  If it had a death ray, it would be perfect.
 
2014-01-09 04:50:38 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: How, exactly, has the world changed due to the Iphone?


It spins around iPhone users now.
 
2014-01-09 04:52:03 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: How, exactly, has the world changed due to the Iphone?


People no longer look at each other when in restaurants? No one knows any phone numbers anymore?
 
2014-01-09 04:54:36 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: How, exactly, has the world changed due to the Iphone?


Mobile phone prices have tripled?
 
cot
2014-01-09 04:57:09 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: How, exactly, has the world changed due to the Iphone?


They basically created the smartphone-for-the-average-consumer market.  Attempts at selling blackberries to soccer moms were not terribly successful.

Has having everyone carry around a powerful multi-function computer with real time access to all of humanity's knowledge changed anything about modern life?

Maybe a little.
 
2014-01-09 04:57:18 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: How, exactly, has the world changed due to the Iphone?


Easier to spot douchebags?
 
2014-01-09 05:00:09 PM  

spidermann: Begin showing us your complexes, hate, and regaling us with tales of how your e-junk is bigger than everyone else's.


Here you go:

thebubablog.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-09 05:00:45 PM  
COMING IN 2017

blog.myownapp.com
 
2014-01-09 05:05:44 PM  
Meh, they were already heading that way. All Apple added was the multi touch screen, and that was someone else's invention. They licensed it for Android phones not much later... It was neat, but I have FAR more functionality and freedom with my Android phones.
 
2014-01-09 05:06:18 PM  

Zombie DJ: I farking HATE iphones. I had to trade my daughter because she couldn't get it to do some things she needed so I gave her my wonderful Droid Galaxy.
Now my farking computer freezes on iTunes, I have to download something to put it on something else, I can't just plug it into a computer like a thumb drive to transfer files. I have to convert movies into another format.  Fark Apple and anything starting with a small i.
"Oh, we have to be different. We need you to buy all sorts of crap that only works with our stuff."

/man, I miss my Droid. So simple. I just wanted something simple.


Want to to know how I know you are not using the Mac version of iTunes?  It is your own fault you know.  iOS stuff works with a stable OS, not that inbred clusterfark known as Windows.

(Yes, there is a small possibility that you use Linux but you mentioned you had a daughter which means you got laid at least once in your life.  Unless you adopted. . . )
 
2014-01-09 05:06:31 PM  

spidermann: Welcome, Apple Haters.

Begin showing us your complexes, hate, and regaling us with tales of how your e-junk is bigger than everyone else's.


None whatsoever.  Very happy with my Android phone.

I will say however, that those iPhone screens look so small compared to the Android I have.
 
2014-01-09 05:08:18 PM  

Zombie DJ: I farking HATE iphones. I had to trade my daughter because she couldn't get it to do some things she needed so I gave her my wonderful Droid Galaxy.
Now my farking computer freezes on iTunes, I have to download something to put it on something else, I can't just plug it into a computer like a thumb drive to transfer files. I have to convert movies into another format.  Fark Apple and anything starting with a small i.
"Oh, we have to be different. We need you to buy all sorts of crap that only works with our stuff."

/man, I miss my Droid. So simple. I just wanted something simple.


Binge and BS are going to tear you to shreds.
 
2014-01-09 05:09:41 PM  

K3rmy: Zombie DJ: I farking HATE iphones. I had to trade my daughter because she couldn't get it to do some things she needed so I gave her my wonderful Droid Galaxy.
Now my farking computer freezes on iTunes, I have to download something to put it on something else, I can't just plug it into a computer like a thumb drive to transfer files. I have to convert movies into another format.  Fark Apple and anything starting with a small i.
"Oh, we have to be different. We need you to buy all sorts of crap that only works with our stuff."

/man, I miss my Droid. So simple. I just wanted something simple.

Want to to know how I know you are not using the Mac version of iTunes?  It is your own fault you know.  iOS stuff works with a stable OS, not that inbred clusterfark known as Windows.


Windows 7 would like a word about that.  Works just fine with iTunes, if slow.

Thankfully I have BeyondPod, JetAudio along with Walkman and Google Play so fark iTunes.
 
2014-01-09 05:09:46 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Satanic_Hamster: How, exactly, has the world changed due to the Iphone?

People no longer look at each other when in restaurants? No one knows any phone numbers anymore?


I forgot phone numbers long before the iPhone. Everyone was Speed Dial 2, or Speed Dial 3, etc...
 
2014-01-09 05:10:32 PM  

Rwa2play: spidermann: Welcome, Apple Haters.

Begin showing us your complexes, hate, and regaling us with tales of how your e-junk is bigger than everyone else's.

None whatsoever.  Very happy with my Android phone.

I will say however, that those iPhone screens look so small compared to the Android I have.


I don't get the argument for larger screens. Do you need a purse to carry that thing around?
 
2014-01-09 05:10:50 PM  

spidermann: Welcome, Apple HatersUsers.

Begin showing us your complexes, hate, and regaling us with tales of how your e-junk is bigger than everyone else's.

 
2014-01-09 05:13:00 PM  
And then he shriveled up into a poorly upholstered skeleton and died one of the worst deaths imaginable.
 
2014-01-09 05:16:55 PM  

aintnuttintofarkwith: Rwa2play: spidermann: Welcome, Apple Haters.

Begin showing us your complexes, hate, and regaling us with tales of how your e-junk is bigger than everyone else's.

None whatsoever.  Very happy with my Android phone.

I will say however, that those iPhone screens look so small compared to the Android I have.

I don't get the argument for larger screens. Do you need a purse to carry that thing around?


Not at all, can put it in my pocket but still watch shows in 1080p.  :)

/Sony Xperia Z FTW
 
2014-01-09 05:21:21 PM  
I don't think Apple's best achievement was the iPhone itself.  It was an incremental evolution in the smart phone arena with an amazing marketing machine behind it.

I always thought Apple's greatest accomplishment was making an entire telecom industry bend to it's will to pave the way for the smart phone ecosystem we enjoy today.  I love my Nexus 5 dearly, but I believe that without Apple, the typical consumers would still be stuck with carrier-specific OS's that force you to pay for looking at any application other than an alarm clock or simple calculator.
 
2014-01-09 05:21:46 PM  

cot: Satanic_Hamster: How, exactly, has the world changed due to the Iphone?

They basically created the smartphone-for-the-average-consumer market.  Attempts at selling blackberries to soccer moms were not terribly successful.

Has having everyone carry around a powerful multi-function computer with real time access to all of humanity's knowledge changed anything about modern life?

Maybe a little.


Might've been a bad thing to sell smartphones to soccer moms. I've been using smartphones since the Palm Treo line was popular and while it sucked to not be able to order pizza from an app and make fart noises with another what was worse was the incredibly speedy EDGE connection combined with a web browser that couldn't properly render any webpages by the time Android started gaining traction. Of course it doesn't help that Palm had stopped issuing updates a lot time before that happened.

OTOH I only used a Blackberry when my first IT gig issued them to employees and it wasn't even a new Blackberry when I was using it (no touchscreen, had some sort of wheel on the side to select icons). Since it was a work device I never looked into hacking it or seeing what new apps were available for it (especially since my daily driver was the Palm Treo 680).

So I suppose being able to scan QR codes with my phone to pay bills, have coupons get scanned directly from my phone's screen, and order food remotely for pickup/deliver have made my life "better" I'm sure I would've gotten along just fine without any of it. Probably wouldn't have network speeds up to what they are now without mass market penetration though.
 
2014-01-09 05:22:56 PM  
From the comment section:

"Still brings me the same excitement to watch it as it did seven years ago."

\shudder
\\owns iPhone
 
2014-01-09 05:29:55 PM  

Mikey1969: JohnBigBootay: Satanic_Hamster: How, exactly, has the world changed due to the Iphone?

People no longer look at each other when in restaurants? No one knows any phone numbers anymore?

I forgot phone numbers long before the iPhone. Everyone was Speed Dial 2, or Speed Dial 3, etc...


I had a Nokia 5100 about 10 years ago that kept phone numbers. I've had some people in there, with the same number, since then. And still have no idea what that number is.
 
2014-01-09 05:30:31 PM  
Why do these articles keep coming up?  Why is there some specific definition of PC that has to die? Seriously. WhoTF cares if it is a "laptop" or a "PC" or a computer attached to your tv.  They are all computers.

My work laptop serves as a PC (docked) about 99% of the time and a laptop for 1% of the time. So what?
 
2014-01-09 05:31:09 PM  

Zombie DJ: I farking HATE iphones. I had to trade my daughter



How much did you get for her? Did you get full value on an newer model?
 
2014-01-09 05:39:41 PM  
I have an iPhone.  I have an iPad.  I don't use either of them.    It's not that I dislike them, it's just my rather boring retired life does not require them at all.   Yet I continue to pay for that damned data plan.   I really need to fix that.
 
2014-01-09 05:40:45 PM  
Every time an iPhone rings, the Cult of Apple sacrifices a puppy to Satan.
 
2014-01-09 05:41:17 PM  

plcow: Why do these articles keep coming up?  Why is there some specific definition of PC that has to die? Seriously. WhoTF cares if it is a "laptop" or a "PC" or a computer attached to your tv.  They are all computers.

My work laptop serves as a PC (docked) about 99% of the time and a laptop for 1% of the time. So what?


Mac learned a long time ago that it's all about selling a status symbol.
 
2014-01-09 05:42:21 PM  

aintnuttintofarkwith: Rwa2play: spidermann: Welcome, Apple Haters.

Begin showing us your complexes, hate, and regaling us with tales of how your e-junk is bigger than everyone else's.

None whatsoever.  Very happy with my Android phone.

I will say however, that those iPhone screens look so small compared to the Android I have.

I don't get the argument for larger screens. Do you need a purse to carry that thing around?


A 5" screen Galaxy S4 isn't that much bigger than an iPhone 5, so if you don't need a purse for your iPhone, you won't for most devices with a larger screen.
s3.amazonaws.com
I played with a Note 3 for a bit and it's also completely pocketable.
 
2014-01-09 05:46:21 PM  

aintnuttintofarkwith: Rwa2play: spidermann: Welcome, Apple Haters.

Begin showing us your complexes, hate, and regaling us with tales of how your e-junk is bigger than everyone else's.

None whatsoever.  Very happy with my Android phone.

I will say however, that those iPhone screens look so small compared to the Android I have.

I don't get the argument for larger screens. Do you need a purse to carry that thing around?


S3 fits just fine in my pocket, thank you very much. It doesn't tend to get lost in amongst the change like those teeny iPhones do.
 
2014-01-09 05:52:45 PM  

aintnuttintofarkwith: I don't get the argument for larger screens. Do you need a purse to carry that thing around?


Ah, iFans. If the screen on an Android phone is smaller than an iPhone, it's ridiculed. If it's larger than an iPhone, it's ridiculed.
 
2014-01-09 05:54:37 PM  
It is like no one remembers the Blackberry, Palm or windows CE phones of the early 2000's .... oh that's right those where for people with jobs
 
2014-01-09 05:55:13 PM  

aintnuttintofarkwith: I don't get the argument for larger screens.


Neither did Steve Jobs and it probably cost his heirs a few hundred million bucks. The marketplace has made it abundantly clear plenty of people be digging larger screens.
 
2014-01-09 06:04:54 PM  
And apple fanboys haven't come up for air since.
 
2014-01-09 06:07:36 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: And apple fanboys haven't come up for air since.


Pro tip: If you're old enough to vote, you're too old to use words like "fanboy. " Unless you enjoy looking like a teenage douche.
 
2014-01-09 06:13:55 PM  
The Windows Mobile 6 phone I had in 2006 is more functional than any iOS device that has ever been released. It can actually download files from the web and save E-mail attachments.
 
2014-01-09 06:17:17 PM  

bingethinker: Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: And apple fanboys haven't come up for air since.

Pro tip: If you're old enough to vote, you're too old to use words like "fanboy. " Unless you enjoy looking like a teenage douche.


What kind of douche I look like is none of your concern, and "fanboy" is a much more convenient shorthand than "army of sycophants, poseurs, and whores".
 
2014-01-09 06:20:23 PM  
Ooh, I better go get me some popcorn.
 
2014-01-09 06:22:34 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: bingethinker: Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: And apple fanboys haven't come up for air since.

Pro tip: If you're old enough to vote, you're too old to use words like "fanboy. " Unless you enjoy looking like a teenage douche.

What kind of douche I look like is none of your concern, and "fanboy" is a much more convenient shorthand than "army of sycophants, poseurs, and whores".


Great.  A fanboy of the word 'fanboy'.

What a douche.
 
2014-01-09 06:22:51 PM  

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: bingethinker: Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: And apple fanboys haven't come up for air since.

Pro tip: If you're old enough to vote, you're too old to use words like "fanboy. " Unless you enjoy looking like a teenage douche.

What kind of douche I look like is none of your concern, and "fanboy" is a much more convenient shorthand than "army of sycophants, poseurs, and whores".


It may be none of my concern, but I am embarrassed for you, parroting lame anti-Apple propaganda that was stale when you were in diapers.
 
2014-01-09 06:23:20 PM  

likefunbutnot: The Windows Mobile 6 phone I had in 2006 is more functional than any iOS device that has ever been released. It can actually download files from the web and save E-mail attachments.


You can $ave attachments (in addition to pictures) by purcha$ing Document$-to-Go ($10).  To download file$ from the web, you need Google Chrome plu$ an exten$ion ($2.00)
 
2014-01-09 06:23:56 PM  

bingethinker: It may be none of my concern, but I am embarrassed for you, parroting lame anti-Apple propaganda that was stale when you were in diapers.


Seriously, are you ever NOT an asshole?
 
2014-01-09 06:25:55 PM  

StRalphTheLiar: Satanic_Hamster: How, exactly, has the world changed due to the Iphone?

Easier to spot douchebags?


We have a winner!!
 
2014-01-09 06:38:01 PM  
Apple is not a technology company. They don't invent shiat. They repackage other people's inventions and hard work. Apple is a marketing company. They acquire other's people's tech and ideas and convince the dimwitted that they need it. Apple doesn't sell tech toys. They sell fashion. It doesn't matter that Apple products are 1-2 years behind everyone else because the product itself is meaningless. It's the image that people pay for.
 
2014-01-09 06:48:29 PM  
I have used both Android and iPhone and I like both. Android screens are too big for my tastes these days.
 
2014-01-09 06:50:02 PM  

Dragonflew: You can $ave attachments (in addition to pictures) by purcha$ing Document$-to-Go ($10). To download file$ from the web, you need Google Chrome plu$ an exten$ion ($2.00


I'm sure that's lovely for X number of document formats supported by Documents to Go, but it doesn't fix problem for arbitrary content or content that's in one of iOS's protected classes (e.g. music, which as far as I can tell can ONLY come from itunes-the-program or itunes-the-store or streamed without ever actually being stored on the device). The whole iOS ecosystem revolves around either living entirely in Apple's semi-functional world or having to hack after hack after hack after hack to work around its bullshiat.
 
2014-01-09 06:55:16 PM  

Driedsponge: I don't think Apple's best achievement was the iPhone itself.  It was an incremental evolution in the smart phone arena with an amazing marketing machine behind it.

I always thought Apple's greatest accomplishment was making an entire telecom industry bend to it's will to pave the way for the smart phone ecosystem we enjoy today.  I love my Nexus 5 dearly, but I believe that without Apple, the typical consumers would still be stuck with carrier-specific OS's that force you to pay for looking at any application other than an alarm clock or simple calculator.


I agree. Apple revolutionized changed both cellphones and before that the mp3 player market. Neither was really impressive as much as Apple's products were. Before the iPhone was released I owned both Nokia's E79 and the supposedly multimedia phone N97. Both were horrible phones and if you think your smartphone's battery life is horrible, the N97 could drain your battery in a little over an hour of use and for a multimedia capable phone it sucked.

Having said that, I really have used just one Apple product, the iPod Classic. The iTunes requirement and the inability to treat the iPhone as an external drive kills it for me. Plus it's nice being able to easily throw Cyanogenmod on an Android phone. Apple has too many proprietary stuff on their products. People at work who have Apple phones need to find a specific charger with the connector for their iPhone version, while most Android phones I've seen just use micro usb.
 
2014-01-09 07:15:26 PM  

Driedsponge: I don't think Apple's best achievement was the iPhone itself.  It was an incremental evolution in the smart phone arena with an amazing marketing machine behind it.

I always thought Apple's greatest accomplishment was making an entire telecom industry bend to it's will to pave the way for the smart phone ecosystem we enjoy today.  I love my Nexus 5 dearly, but I believe that without Apple, the typical consumers would still be stuck with carrier-specific OS's that force you to pay for looking at any application other than an alarm clock or simple calculator.


Except they never were.  Windows Mobile, Blackberry, and Nokias all had their own OSs where you could purchase apps and load themselves.  And you did not have to do it threw a walled garden.

Do you live in Bizarro world where there only existed the Iphone first?
 
2014-01-09 07:17:49 PM  
Seriously.
www.funtroll.com
 
2014-01-09 07:18:54 PM  

aintnuttintofarkwith: Rwa2play: spidermann: Welcome, Apple Haters.

Begin showing us your complexes, hate, and regaling us with tales of how your e-junk is bigger than everyone else's.

None whatsoever.  Very happy with my Android phone.

I will say however, that those iPhone screens look so small compared to the Android I have.

I don't get the argument for larger screens. Do you need a purse to carry that thing around?


It's not a phone, it's a phablet, which admittedly sounds like a gay tablet.

/What was the question?
 
2014-01-09 07:20:21 PM  
ikefunbutnot
 "The Windows Mobile 6 phone I had in 2006 is more functional than any iOS device that has ever been released. It can actually download files from the web and save E-mail attachments."


 Yup, came in to say this.  When the iPhone came out I said, "yeah, so?" It was the functionality of a WinCE/Mobile Edition phone with the icons from Palm plastered in.  Oh yeah, and you could poke at it without a stylus.  There were iPhonish skins for other platforms pretty quickly.

If Microsoft were more competent it wouldn't have been an issue -- WinCE was a great OS but a little too crashy.  And it had a mediocre app selection.   What Apple brought was momentum and marketing.

Oh, and Blackberries ALWAYS sucked meat.
 
2014-01-09 07:23:36 PM  

cot: Satanic_Hamster: How, exactly, has the world changed due to the Iphone?

They basically created the smartphone-for-the-average-consumer market.  Attempts at selling blackberries to soccer moms were not terribly successful.

Has having everyone carry around a powerful multi-function computer with real time access to all of humanity's knowledge changed anything about modern life?

Maybe a little.


It makes it more surprising that young people with that degree of access to information are more ignorant than ever.
 
2014-01-09 07:23:56 PM  

jjorsett: It's not a phone, it's a phablet, which admittedly sounds like a gay tablet.


What it is is a tiny computer that is occasionally used for voice calls. Me, if I could see a tiny screen phone, I'd buy a tiny screen phone. But I can't.
 
2014-01-09 07:25:43 PM  

Rwa2play: aintnuttintofarkwith: Rwa2play: spidermann: Welcome, Apple Haters.

Begin showing us your complexes, hate, and regaling us with tales of how your e-junk is bigger than everyone else's.

None whatsoever.  Very happy with my Android phone.

I will say however, that those iPhone screens look so small compared to the Android I have.

I don't get the argument for larger screens. Do you need a purse to carry that thing around?

Not at all, can put it in my pocket but still watch shows in 1080p.  :)

/Sony Xperia Z FTW


Oh dear. You really sit and watch television on your phone? Those are some of the saddest people I know. All own Android phones, coincidentally.
 
2014-01-09 07:26:28 PM  
Video on a larger screen phone is SO SO much better.

And frankly resolution hardly matters.  "Retina" display dick measuring is just stupid.

/OnlySortOfOld
 
2014-01-09 07:40:57 PM  
Palm Treos for me in 2003:

web browsing, texting,  terminal emulation, playing games (non-walled garden), videos, and mp3s.  Added bonus, real keyboard.
 
2014-01-09 07:41:21 PM  

Far Cough: And it had a mediocre app selection.


App selection is only a huge deal in Apple's model: Most of what iFruit people call "apps" are really just specialized viewers or data collectors for some single web site or other.

Windows Mobile had several different options for varying levels of functional web browsing, including browsers with Flash support. It had a decent media player options; reliable, functional messaging and native support for important file formats and common internet services.
 
2014-01-09 07:43:35 PM  

likefunbutnot: The Windows Mobile 6 phone I had in 2006 is more functional than any iOS device that has ever been released. It can actually download files from the web and save E-mail attachments.


I remember my wife and I standing in line at Cedar Point in 2006 killing time on my T-Mobile SDA. People looked at me like I was from Mars.

www1.pcmag.com
 
2014-01-09 07:59:12 PM  

likefunbutnot: Dragonflew: You can $ave attachments (in addition to pictures) by purcha$ing Document$-to-Go ($10). To download file$ from the web, you need Google Chrome plu$ an exten$ion ($2.00

I'm sure that's lovely for X number of document formats supported by Documents to Go, but it doesn't fix problem for arbitrary content or content that's in one of iOS's protected classes (e.g. music, which as far as I can tell can ONLY come from itunes-the-program or itunes-the-store or streamed without ever actually being stored on the device). The whole iOS ecosystem revolves around either living entirely in Apple's semi-functional world or having to hack after hack after hack after hack to work around its bullshiat.


Oh, I know. I was not defending Apple in the least. Note the dollar signs.
 
2014-01-09 08:24:56 PM  
The one thing I'm thankful for is that Apple was able to get the industry to adopt capacitive touch screens as the standard. The old resistive touch screens were the reason I hated windows/palm phones.
 
2014-01-09 09:05:09 PM  

Dragonflew: aintnuttintofarkwith: I don't get the argument for larger screens. Do you need a purse to carry that thing around?

Ah, iFans. If the screen on an Android phone is smaller than an iPhone, it's ridiculed. If it's larger than an iPhone, it's ridiculed.


This.
 
2014-01-09 09:07:38 PM  

aintnuttintofarkwith: Rwa2play: aintnuttintofarkwith: Rwa2play: spidermann: Welcome, Apple Haters.

Begin showing us your complexes, hate, and regaling us with tales of how your e-junk is bigger than everyone else's.

None whatsoever.  Very happy with my Android phone.

I will say however, that those iPhone screens look so small compared to the Android I have.

I don't get the argument for larger screens. Do you need a purse to carry that thing around?

Not at all, can put it in my pocket but still watch shows in 1080p.  :)

/Sony Xperia Z FTW

Oh dear. You really sit and watch television on your phone? Those are some of the saddest people I know. All own Android phones, coincidentally.


Wow, what planet did you come from?  Y-you do realize there's lots of deadtime during a non-auto commute don't you?

/looks up your profile.

Ah...I see.  To you mass transportation is probably a Greyhound out of Austin.
 
2014-01-09 09:32:18 PM  
The first iPhone:

infoagetimeline.umwblogs.org
 
2014-01-09 09:43:17 PM  

JohnBigBootay: aintnuttintofarkwith: I don't get the argument for larger screens.

Neither did Steve Jobs and it probably cost his heirs a few hundred million bucks. The marketplace has made it abundantly clear plenty of people be digging larger screens.


If you watch Jobs' 2007 keynote, the first glimpse of the iPhone is when he quickly takes it out of the front left pocket of his jeans and puts it back before anyone can get a good look.  His concept of an iPhone case (and cleaning cloth) was his jeans.
 
2014-01-09 09:43:25 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: How, exactly, has the world changed due to the Iphone?


About the same amount of change as when Darrin Wade killed Statesman
 
2014-01-09 09:50:12 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: How, exactly, has the world changed due to the Iphone?


People used to have to suppress their narcissism.
 
2014-01-09 09:56:43 PM  

likefunbutnot: Dragonflew: You can $ave attachments (in addition to pictures) by purcha$ing Document$-to-Go ($10). To download file$ from the web, you need Google Chrome plu$ an exten$ion ($2.00

I'm sure that's lovely for X number of document formats supported by Documents to Go, but it doesn't fix problem for arbitrary content or content that's in one of iOS's protected classes (e.g. music, which as far as I can tell can ONLY come from itunes-the-program or itunes-the-store or streamed without ever actually being stored on the device). The whole iOS ecosystem revolves around either living entirely in Apple's semi-functional world or having to hack after hack after hack after hack to work around its bullshiat.


Amazon music loads just fine through iTunes, Amazon even gives you a little app to do it for you if you are to simple to figure out drag and drop. Can also rip CDs.
 
2014-01-09 10:10:36 PM  

Rwa2play: Wow, what planet did you come from?  Y-you do realize there's lots of deadtime during a non-auto commute don't you?

/looks up your profile.

Ah...I see.  To you mass transportation is probably a Greyhound out of Austin.


"Greyhound out of Austin" is probably the saddest four-word combination I've ever laid eyes on
 
2014-01-09 10:17:57 PM  

Dragonflew: Zombie DJ: I farking HATE iphones. I had to trade my daughter because she couldn't get it to do some things she needed so I gave her my wonderful Droid Galaxy.
Now my farking computer freezes on iTunes, I have to download something to put it on something else, I can't just plug it into a computer like a thumb drive to transfer files. I have to convert movies into another format.  Fark Apple and anything starting with a small i.
"Oh, we have to be different. We need you to buy all sorts of crap that only works with our stuff."

/man, I miss my Droid. So simple. I just wanted something simple.

Binge and BS are going to tear you to shreds.


I....I don't even know what that means but if it means 2 people will have a different opinion on a piece of shait phone, then I......I gotta say....I still don't care.
 
2014-01-09 10:40:19 PM  

Far Cough: WinCE was a great OS but a little too crashy


Interesting way to define great... Were you a fan of the Ford Pinto too?
 
2014-01-09 10:44:11 PM  
As a guy who just spent an hour at the Genius Bar having a dead iPhone 4s swapped out for another one, I concur with much of the Apple hate in here. Five month old phone that simply crapped out while sitting on my desk at work. Nice

And when I was standing around in iPurgatory waiting for my turn with the iGenius, I saw a screen scroll bragging about how Apple now gives the user the ability to create personal text macros for frequently typed phrases in text or email. And I kept thinking, "Yeah, like my Blackberry let me do back in 2004."
 
2014-01-09 10:44:31 PM  

Zombie DJ: I farking HATE iphones. I had to trade my daughter because she couldn't get it to do some things she needed so I gave her my wonderful Droid Galaxy.
Now my farking computer freezes on iTunes, I have to download something to put it on something else, I can't just plug it into a computer like a thumb drive to transfer files. I have to convert movies into another format.  Fark Apple and anything starting with a small i.
"Oh, we have to be different. We need you to buy all sorts of crap that only works with our stuff."

/man, I miss my Droid. So simple. I just wanted something simple.


So go get a new Android. Problem solved.
 
2014-01-09 10:45:42 PM  

saturn badger: So go get a new Android. Problem solved


He traded her...
 
2014-01-09 10:47:17 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: Yeah, like my Blackberry let me do back in 2004


They're still around, what's holding you back?
 
2014-01-09 10:49:06 PM  
I like my phone. It sits in the corner behaving like a wifi hot spot. If I need more from it, I SSH into it and tell it to do something. I take it out for walks occasionally too.
 
2014-01-09 10:55:47 PM  

spqr_ca: Barricaded Gunman: Yeah, like my Blackberry let me do back in 2004

They're still around, what's holding you back?


Switched jobs. Old phone required Blackberry, the new company requires Android or Apple. I traded in my LG Android for my first iPhone about 5 months ago, and have been kicking myself ever since.
 
2014-01-09 11:03:41 PM  

Ronin Around: Satanic_Hamster: How, exactly, has the world changed due to the Iphone?

About the same amount of change as when Darrin Wade killed Statesman


So none then...  They should have done that the minute Jack quit the company.  Had him die straining on a bowel movement.
 
2014-01-09 11:08:24 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: spqr_ca: Barricaded Gunman: Yeah, like my Blackberry let me do back in 2004

They're still around, what's holding you back?

Switched jobs. Old phone required Blackberry, the new company requires Android or Apple. I traded in my LG Android for my first iPhone about 5 months ago, and have been kicking myself ever since.


Why'd you get a 4S? The main model was discontinued almost 2 years ago, so the 4S is only in 8GB version, you picked very low end by this time given that the 5 has been out since 2012. At any rate, every experience is different, but any manufactured device can fail. None of Apple, Google, Samsung, Blackberry, Microsoft, Nokia, etc... can have claimed to have made a device model that sold retail and never failed. Doesn't happen, the manufacturing process has both human and machine error conditions.

All I know is, for me, I use my iPhone for more than just as a phone, which is not true of other options I've had over the years including Android and others. I'm not alone in this, the iPhone has a global share of about 25% and yet hits greater than 50% of mobile internet traffic. Says something about the likelihood of users actually using their device features on various platorms.
 
2014-01-09 11:45:12 PM  

spqr_ca: Barricaded Gunman: spqr_ca: Barricaded Gunman: Yeah, like my Blackberry let me do back in 2004

They're still around, what's holding you back?

Switched jobs. Old phone required Blackberry, the new company requires Android or Apple. I traded in my LG Android for my first iPhone about 5 months ago, and have been kicking myself ever since.

Why'd you get a 4S? The main model was discontinued almost 2 years ago, so the 4S is only in 8GB version, you picked very low end by this time given that the 5 has been out since 2012. At any rate, every experience is different, but any manufactured device can fail. None of Apple, Google, Samsung, Blackberry, Microsoft, Nokia, etc... can have claimed to have made a device model that sold retail and never failed. Doesn't happen, the manufacturing process has both human and machine error conditions.

All I know is, for me, I use my iPhone for more than just as a phone, which is not true of other options I've had over the years including Android and others. I'm not alone in this, the iPhone has a global share of about 25% and yet hits greater than 50% of mobile internet traffic. Says something about the likelihood of users actually using their device features on various platorms.


Sorry, I work for AT&T and the 4s has not been discontinued and it is still sold as a new phone.

Iphone users are our biggest cost variable,because they cannot even understand "push the one button"
 
2014-01-09 11:46:28 PM  

spqr_ca: Barricaded Gunman: spqr_ca: Barricaded Gunman: Yeah, like my Blackberry let me do back in 2004

They're still around, what's holding you back?

Switched jobs. Old phone required Blackberry, the new company requires Android or Apple. I traded in my LG Android for my first iPhone about 5 months ago, and have been kicking myself ever since.

Why'd you get a 4S? The main model was discontinued almost 2 years ago, so the 4S is only in 8GB version, you picked very low end by this time given that the 5 has been out since 2012. At any rate, every experience is different, but any manufactured device can fail. None of Apple, Google, Samsung, Blackberry, Microsoft, Nokia, etc... can have claimed to have made a device model that sold retail and never failed. Doesn't happen, the manufacturing process has both human and machine error conditions.

All I know is, for me, I use my iPhone for more than just as a phone, which is not true of other options I've had over the years including Android and others. I'm not alone in this, the iPhone has a global share of about 25% and yet hits greater than 50% of mobile internet traffic. Says something about the likelihood of users actually using their device features on various platorms.


And his post never said he got a 4s...
 
2014-01-09 11:53:22 PM  
I had a couple Androids. I liked em. And now I have an iPhone. I like it. Not much difference to me, for what I use it for (texting, email, music streaming, podcasts, Facebook, photos/videos, and web browsing.)

I do like the Droids ability to upgrade storage. Otherwise I can't tell the difference between em.
 
2014-01-10 12:27:17 AM  

spqr_ca: I use my iPhone for more than just as a phone, which is not true of other options I've had over the years including Android and others. I'm not alone in this, the iPhone has a global share of about 25% and yet hits greater than 50% of mobile internet traffic. Says something about the likelihood of users actually using their device features on various platorms.


If you had an android phone and couldn't use it for stuff other than "phone" stuff, then you're a farking idiot.  I had a G1, loved it, but it died.  Replaced it with a 4s.  Liked it, but it was a pain to move files to and from it. Have a SIV now.  Miss some of the polish of the 4s, but it is more stable and much more functional for me.
 
2014-01-10 01:17:12 AM  

Kanemano: Zombie DJ: I farking HATE iphones. I had to trade my daughter


How much did you get for her? Did you get full value on an newer model?


i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-01-10 01:31:32 AM  

Ronin Around: Satanic_Hamster: How, exactly, has the world changed due to the Iphone?

About the same amount of change as when Darrin Wade killed Statesman


RULAWADE!
 
2014-01-10 02:38:39 AM  
iPhones changed the world?  So let me get this straight.  Smartphones exist, but Apple comes out with a better smartphone - which I would point out did not introduce one new technology - they just managed to polish the whole thing better than what had been done before.  Suddenly this is revolutionary.

Then Android comes along and does many of the same things - and soon they are clearly doing the smartphone thing better than Apple.  Much like Blackberry etc before them, Apple is still scrambling (futilely) to keep up - and yet we are told by the Cult of Cupertino that Android is merely a rip-off "poor-man's" iPhone?

How is it exactly that the iPhone has "changed the world" yet the superior (especially when one considers high end models) and more successful Android phones have not?

Just so none think I am biased having only experienced Android, I will tell you that I do in fact own an iPhone 4s as well.  I bought it used because I have a tower speaker with an iPhone dock.  The speaker + iPhone = effective backup alarm clock.  Yes I have played around with it (I do have wifi so can do anything except call people on it) but my official verdict on it is that the iPhone is a toy.  I would love to be shown what the iPhone can do that an Android cannot do... BETTER.  Show me.  I'll hold my breath.

K3rmy: Zombie DJ: I farking HATE iphones. I had to trade my daughter because she couldn't get it to do some things she needed so I gave her my wonderful Droid Galaxy.
Now my farking computer freezes on iTunes, I have to download something to put it on something else, I can't just plug it into a computer like a thumb drive to transfer files. I have to convert movies into another format.  Fark Apple and anything starting with a small i.
"Oh, we have to be different. We need you to buy all sorts of crap that only works with our stuff."

/man, I miss my Droid. So simple. I just wanted something simple.

Want to to know how I know you are not using the Mac version of iTunes?  It is your own fault you know.  iOS stuff works with a stable OS, not that inbred clusterfark known as Windows.

(Yes, there is a small possibility that you use Linux but you mentioned you had a daughter which means you got laid at least once in your life.  Unless you adopted. . . )


Want to know how I know that you are a fAnboy with very little actual computer knowledge?

Seriously most Windows applications actually work correctly just fine and dandy.  Windows 7 is also quite solid.  I go months between reboots sometimes - generally only because of software updates that require restart or power outages.  Writing Windows applications is not a new form of voodoo.  Apple just happens to SUCK at writing Windows software.

The tasks iTunes has to perform aren't even that damn complex.  Allow purchases, downloads, and transfer/sync files to their devices(which needlessly require a proprietary transfer).  Yet Apple STILL fails with their bloatware.  There is no LOGICAL reason to blame Microsoft for Apple's failures.

The reason you actually fault Windows for the failure of Apple's Windows software - Steve Jobs was to you was what Kim Jong Il was to the North Koreans.  It is amazing the way you people automatically twist reality into whatever shape you require.
 
2014-01-10 02:41:13 AM  

Herr Flick's Revenge: Amazon music loads just fine through iTunes, Amazon even gives you a little app to do it for you if you are to simple to figure out drag and drop. Can also rip CDs.


Here's a simple test: Navigate to youtube-mp3.org using a not-jailbroken iOS device. Click the Convert Video button on the page. Can you store the file generated on your device from the web so that it can be played back with the normal iOS music player app without involving a non-iOS device?
 
2014-01-10 03:11:19 AM  

likefunbutnot: Herr Flick's Revenge: Amazon music loads just fine through iTunes, Amazon even gives you a little app to do it for you if you are to simple to figure out drag and drop. Can also rip CDs.

Here's a simple test: Navigate to youtube-mp3.org using a not-jailbroken iOS device. Click the Convert Video button on the page. Can you store the file generated on your device from the web so that it can be played back with the normal iOS music player app without involving a non-iOS device?


We are wasting our time arguing with them.  Anything their Apple devices cannot do is OBVIOUSLY something no one should want to do - automatically by virtue of Apple didn't decide they could do it.  How many of them went on about how "useless Bluetooth is" back in the day before their devices finally got Bluetooth?  These are the people who - when iPods got shipped to stores with viruses on them FROM Apple's factory - blamed Microsoft.  Programmed thinking doesn't begin to cover it.
 
2014-01-10 05:37:32 AM  

Mael99: Every time an iPhone rings, the Cult of Apple sacrifices a puppy to Satan.


Now that you mention it, my iPhone does need a new ringtone...
 
2014-01-10 06:28:03 AM  

theflatline: And his post never said he got a 4s


Go back and read it.

"As a guy who just spent an hour at the Genius Bar having a dead iPhone 4s swapped out for another one... "

I suppose you could pretend that didn't say "iPhone 4s" there, but that's not how I read it... And yes, they still sell them, but only in the 8GB model, which was my point.
 
2014-01-10 06:33:11 AM  

mjbok: If you had an android phone and couldn't use it for stuff other than "phone" stuff, then you're a farking idiot.


Not good with the reading comprehension are you, do you play sports at UNC? I didn't say it couldn't be used for it. I said that the evidence, based on Internet traffic, indicates that people tend not to do so in comparison with iPhone users and my own experience bears that out.
 
2014-01-10 08:27:06 AM  

spqr_ca: mjbok: If you had an android phone and couldn't use it for stuff other than "phone" stuff, then you're a farking idiot.

Not good with the reading comprehension are you, do you play sports at UNC? I didn't say it couldn't be used for it. I said that the evidence, based on Internet traffic, indicates that people tend not to do so in comparison with iPhone users and my own experience bears that out.


No, what you said is "I use my iPhone for more than just as a phone, which is not true of other options I've had over the years including Android and others."  You go on to say that internet traffic shows you are not the only one, but you said that you didn't use it for other stuff.  That is a deficiency on you, not the product.  As someone asked up thread, name one thing an iPhone can do that an Android phone can't do just as well?  I can think of one thing:  use iTunes, which is a terrible experience anyone.  There are many things multiple Android phones can do that an iPhone can't.
 
2014-01-10 09:38:00 AM  

mjbok: No, what you said is "I use my iPhone for more than just as a phone, which is not true of other options I've had over the years including Android and others."  You go on to say that internet traffic shows you are not the only one, but you said that you didn't use it for other stuff.  That is a deficiency on you, not the product.  As someone asked up thread, name one thing an iPhone can do that an Android phone can't do just as well?  I can think of one thing:  use iTunes, which is a terrible experience anyone.  There are many things multiple Android phones can do that an iPhone can't.


You're still having comprehension issues... At no point did I state that Android devices couldn't do it. Let me try it in simpler language for you: in my experience, I'm more likely to use those features with the iPhone than I have with others and some statistics indicate that this is true in general.

What is it with Android users? You 're getting as nutty defensive about your choices as some Apple users. It's just a device, not a life commitment, it's possible for people to like one or the other without lessening the value of the alternative. Sheesh.
 
2014-01-10 10:31:08 AM  
I occasionally support iOS devices (and own one) and was still surprised and appalled upon realizing you can't even download an MP3 from the web with it!

That's just freaking ridiculous by any measure.  I kinda/sorta get that they decided to mask any concept of the local file system, but there's no reason standard file types shouldn't be downloadable in the native browsers.

Far Cough: WinCE was a great OS but a little too crashy

Interesting way to define great... Were you a fan of the Ford Pinto too?


Honestly it really wasn't very crashy for me; not significantly more frequent that the hangs and force stops I still get in both Android and iOS.  But WinCE, despite it bad reputation, did everything it was supposed to do, and rather elegantly in my opinion.  Capacitive touch display and big fat Palm/iOS/Android press-here-dummy icons could have saved it.

What really bothers me lately is how dead-set Google is on making Android as crippled as iOS, or more so.  I only recently started using Jellybean devices, and the default interface has become so limiting.  No home screen or app drawer rotation, stripping away easy access to widgets, dumbing down other aspects of the home screen, etc.  Other launchers help a lot (I'm using the last open source version of ADW) but it shouldn't be necessary.  ("But hey, with Android at least you still have that choice"; yeah I know.)  And I still can't make the soft-buttons auto-hide unless I root the damn thing.

From what I've seen KitKat locks and dumbs things down even MORE.
 
2014-01-10 10:33:48 AM  
Oh yeah, and their vendetta against both SD cards and mass-storage mode.  What's up with THAT?

I wanted to try a lower level undelete on someone's Jellybean phone and found out that mass-storage mode is gone!  There's a dinky kludgy limited "media transfer" mode in its place.  That you can no longer mount Android devices as a drive is a minor travesty.
 
2014-01-10 10:58:36 AM  

Dragonflew: likefunbutnot: The Windows Mobile 6 phone I had in 2006 is more functional than any iOS device that has ever been released. It can actually download files from the web and save E-mail attachments.

You can $ave attachments (in addition to pictures) by purcha$ing Document$-to-Go ($10).  To download file$ from the web, you need Google Chrome plu$ an exten$ion ($2.00)


Dropbox is free. Works for all of the above.
 
2014-01-10 11:57:49 AM  

mark_bert: Dragonflew: likefunbutnot: The Windows Mobile 6 phone I had in 2006 is more functional than any iOS device that has ever been released. It can actually download files from the web and save E-mail attachments.

You can $ave attachments (in addition to pictures) by purcha$ing Document$-to-Go ($10).  To download file$ from the web, you need Google Chrome plu$ an exten$ion ($2.00)

Dropbox is free. Works for all of the above.


Actually, it doesn't. You can't copy a .mp3 to the device from it, nor can you Share it to any other application from Dropbox. Dropbox will let you stream it, but it can't be made available to the standard ios music player.

And Dropbox is a huge farking crutch to make ios minimally functional. Pretty much every iPad how to starts with "first, get a Dropbox account..."
 
2014-01-10 01:04:17 PM  

Far Cough: Oh yeah, and their vendetta against both SD cards and mass-storage mode.  What's up with THAT?

I wanted to try a lower level undelete on someone's Jellybean phone and found out that mass-storage mode is gone!  There's a dinky kludgy limited "media transfer" mode in its place.  That you can no longer mount Android devices as a drive is a minor travesty.


Just hooked up my JB android phone to check this.  What functionality do I no longer have that I had before?  As best I can tell I have complete file access to both the phone and the microsd card.
 
2014-01-10 01:12:31 PM  

You're not able to access the actual file system any more -- anything you're doing is merely a file transfer.  I'm also not sure whether or not you're seeing as much as you could have in mass storage mode.  I certainly could see far less than I expected, even though the phone wasn't rooted.


Further, it requires separate software to attach to some versions of OSX, and I don't know if it has any official Linux support at all.


The whole point of USB mass storage mode was that you really were mounting the device as a drive, and it worked on many different platforms, whatever could use a USB drive.  For example, while I haven't tried, I doubt the newer Jellybean/KitKat phones could be attaached as USB drive to something like home NAS or router...


I hope I'm wrong about all this.

 
2014-01-10 01:35:36 PM  

Oh, and say goodbye to your accidentally deleted photos and other files forever thanks to Google's "you will use our cloud and like it"  Applish edict and removal of USB mass storage mode.


Can't use something like http://www.datarescue.com/photorescue/v3/android-data-recovery.html  (or its more trustworthy open source counterpart at http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/PhotoRec  ) any more for a quick recovery from a mistake.


Didn't leave time for the "synch" to get your stuff back to the cloud?  Too bad.  It's gone forever.  It's still there on your phone, of course, waiting to be recovered, but you won't be able to get to it... because we thought making the device available as a USB drive was just too useful a feature to keep it available to you.


(They apparently have their purported "reasons" because mass storage mode could lead to file locking and removal issues, but that's BS for anyone who's ever figured out how to use a USB RAM stick.)

 
2014-01-10 02:39:02 PM  

Far Cough: You're not able to access the actual file system any more -- anything you're doing is merely a file transfer.  I'm also not sure whether or not you're seeing as much as you could have in mass storage mode.  I certainly could see far less than I expected, even though the phone wasn't rooted.
Further, it requires separate software to attach to some versions of OSX, and I don't know if it has any official Linux support at all.
The whole point of USB mass storage mode was that you really were mounting the device as a drive, and it worked on many different platforms, whatever could use a USB drive.  For example, while I haven't tried, I doubt the newer Jellybean/KitKat phones could be attaached as USB drive to something like home NAS or router...
I hope I'm wrong about all this.


That's actually device dependent. The device can optionally communicate via USB Mass Storage protocols (like a flash drive) or by one of two different media transfer protocols a la some Mp3 players. Which one or ones your device supports depends on how the manufacturer chose to implement the connection and what OS options they expose to you.

On the plus side, there's nothing stopping you from using SMB or NFS or FTP to talk to a file server and ignoring the USB file transfer cable entirely.
 
2014-01-10 03:09:12 PM  
Sure, but that doesn't help me get at the file system on the device, in order to do something like attempt to undelete a file, as explained above.  This was all news to me recently; I had been under the impression that all Android devices still supported plain old mass storage mode (my last Blackberry still did).  The Samsungs I've seen recently do not.

Thanks for drawing the distinction between OS and hardware restrictions.
 
2014-01-10 03:35:19 PM  

Far Cough: Sure, but that doesn't help me get at the file system on the device, in order to do something like attempt to undelete a file, as explained above.  This was all news to me recently; I had been under the impression that all Android devices still supported plain old mass storage mode (my last Blackberry still did).  The Samsungs I've seen recently do not.

Thanks for drawing the distinction between OS and hardware restrictions.


I do believe you can directly access the file system on the device itself with an app.
 
2014-01-10 03:51:06 PM  

mjbok: Far Cough: Sure, but that doesn't help me get at the file system on the device, in order to do something like attempt to undelete a file, as explained above.  This was all news to me recently; I had been under the impression that all Android devices still supported plain old mass storage mode (my last Blackberry still did).  The Samsungs I've seen recently do not.

Thanks for drawing the distinction between OS and hardware restrictions.

I do believe you can directly access the file system on the device itself with an app.


Most every Android device comes with a file manager. Samsung's is actually pretty similar to Windows Explorer.
I think the reason mass storage support is being deprecated is not a matter of end user control but to avoid having to license patents on FAT32 from Microsoft.
 
2014-01-10 04:24:49 PM  
That's nice and all, but the whole point of USB mass storage mode is that one no longer has to rely only on software available for the device.  Mounting it as a straight old USB drive has all kinds of advantages you can't get by accessing the file locally on the device itself.  The two I've mentioned are the ability to use 3rd party undelete tools and the ability to mount the store on devices and operating systems that aren't prepared to use the new "MTP" mode the new phones require.

If the point of the new mode were solely to get around FAT32 licensing, that would assume the device or SD card isn't already formatted in FAT32, so I'm not clear on how mass storage mode would expose them to further litigation.  (The translation software, at worst case, could present multiple FAT, not FAT32 systems, which as far as I know are not patent encumbered.)

Thanks for the responses....
 
2014-01-10 05:08:34 PM  

Far Cough: the new "MTP" mode the new phones require.


MTP isn't new and it is most definitely a standard (a friend of mine actually wrote and maintains the MTP library used by OpenSolaris and OpenIndiana and he's been doing that for at least four years now). No, it's not as flexible but it's supposedly safer for multiple data access (both the PC and device can be accessing the data at the same time) and it's still an open standard that allows some degree of access to common data formats.

For a non-rooted device, there are apps in the Play Store that can enable USB Mass Storage access to the SDcard directory structure if you really need it. There are also Android native data recovery tools, but I try to avoid putting anything on my device's internal memory other than programs and their settings.

In a way, this does kind of piss me off for much the same reason that iOS annoys me by not exposing a real file system, but since I use fast, expensive microSD cards that I can pull out of a device and access with anything I want if I really NEED to, it's not the kind of burning, urgent hate that I have for the inadequacies of iFruits.
 
2014-01-10 05:22:24 PM  
Yeah, well, you know, I made the (informed) mistake of getting a refurb Galaxy Nexus, the phone that led Google's charge to evilly mimic Apple and eliminate SD card slots.  :(  It was either that or an HTC with unremoveable battery, so I still think I picked the better of the two.  I never thought I'd make that compromise though.

Oh, are there mass storage mode apps available?  The only ones I've seen are requiring root; your links welcome.

But it may be a non-starter for me; it seems that these applications do NOT support the GNexus's fixed internal storage, which at least one developer claims is NOT accessible via USB mass storage mode, period.

Anyhoo, we've gotten geekily off topic, and thanks for your advice.
 
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