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(ESPN)   As a surprise to nobody, Jameis Winston's accuser plans to file a civil suit against him, the Tallahassee Police department and possibly Florida State University   (espn.go.com) divider line 75
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2014-01-09 08:24:27 PM

steamingpile: ongbok: This lawsuit is going to be clown shoes.

I'm waiting to see how her lawyer explains away the statements she made to the media that directly contradict the statements her client made to the police. And I want to see her explain in detail this whole conspiracy, that crossed several agency, that took place to protect him

That press conference sounded like a fresh law grad or some conspiracy nut was giving her information. I fail to see how she can even hope to win any lawsuit with the lack of evidence.

Don't they name her when civil proceedings start?


She doesn't hope to win. She hopes to get a cash settlement to STFU about it and go away. Which she'll probably get.
 
2014-01-09 08:43:08 PM

kronicfeld: What a conundrum for Fark: a woman is accusing a man of rape, so she must be a lying conniving whore, but he's a prominent black college football player, so he must be an awful, corrupt criminal.


Well, the important thing is, you've found a way to feel superior to all three.
 
2014-01-09 09:06:05 PM

js34603: steamingpile: ongbok: This lawsuit is going to be clown shoes.

I'm waiting to see how her lawyer explains away the statements she made to the media that directly contradict the statements her client made to the police. And I want to see her explain in detail this whole conspiracy, that crossed several agency, that took place to protect him

That press conference sounded like a fresh law grad or some conspiracy nut was giving her information. I fail to see how she can even hope to win any lawsuit with the lack of evidence.

Don't they name her when civil proceedings start?

She doesn't hope to win. She hopes to get a cash settlement to STFU about it and go away. Which she'll probably get.


This always bugs me, too many settlements and not enough calling them out for being shiatheads after cash. I had some dumb biatch sue our insurance because of a wreck on private property, even though she was at fault and she went through 9 lawyers before someone would file.
 
2014-01-09 09:20:27 PM
Is the "#cleatchaser"'s lawyer still her aunt?

Not a fan of rape nor Florida St., but this chick's family (read Dad) really needs to stop forcing the issue and just sell the house they can't afford already.
 
2014-01-09 09:25:59 PM

IlGreven: Well, the important thing is, you've found a way to feel superior to all three.


I respect this comment.
 
2014-01-09 10:04:51 PM

steamingpile: js34603: steamingpile: ongbok: This lawsuit is going to be clown shoes.

I'm waiting to see how her lawyer explains away the statements she made to the media that directly contradict the statements her client made to the police. And I want to see her explain in detail this whole conspiracy, that crossed several agency, that took place to protect him

That press conference sounded like a fresh law grad or some conspiracy nut was giving her information. I fail to see how she can even hope to win any lawsuit with the lack of evidence.

Don't they name her when civil proceedings start?

She doesn't hope to win. She hopes to get a cash settlement to STFU about it and go away. Which she'll probably get.

This always bugs me, too many settlements and not enough calling them out for being shiatheads after cash. I had some dumb biatch sue our insurance because of a wreck on private property, even though she was at fault and she went through 9 lawyers before someone would file.


From what I understand, abuse of process would be the way to deal with that, but, from what I understand, the threshold for it is ridiculously high.
 
2014-01-09 11:05:31 PM

change1211: Serious question, why do we hear so many rape cases involving football players?


Because in cases that don't involve Rapey-Ben*, it's women that either cheated with their boyfriend and he found out, so she feels guilty...or they want a paycheck.

*Rapey-Ben actually...you know...raped 2 women.  But the officers cleared it up and he swept it under the rug with lots of $$$.
 
2014-01-09 11:55:11 PM

rjakobi: Google Nina Shahraven. After that, you'll see why it must take a whole assload of evidence for any professional and/or collegiate athlete to be sued nowadays.

Women are capable of lying about sexual assault, despite what repeated viewings of Lifetime and CSI SVU tell you.


I agree with you.  However, police departments and colleges are also capable of lying, destroying evidence, and doing anything possible to protect the gold mine that is a star football player.  Believe me, Tallahassee cops know who is more valuable to society when it comes to first round draft pick versus some chick from nowhere.
 
2014-01-10 12:25:39 AM

RickyWilliams'sBong: ongbok: I just talked to a lawyer friend of mine about this. He said that the suit against Winston will probably be dropped. The reason is that because the accuser is going to have to get on the stand and testify to what happened. She is also going to have to explain her other stories of what happened, and this will destroy her.

However her suit against TPD will more than likely end up with her getting a settlement in the 5 figures. The reason for this is that if this goes to trial they will have to explain their investigative process, it may be possible that her lawyer will bring up other cases like this from the past, and this is something most departments don't want to explain. Also they are going to have to explain why they didn't send it to the prosecutor, which they explained, but they are going to have to rely on people believing their explanation. Also they are going to have to fight the perception that many people have that no matter what, even if they believe he is innocent or guilty, that this case should have been decided by a jury, and he should have been arrested and charged. So for those reasons he said that this would be messy for TPD to take to trial and they are going to give her a "go away" settlement.

Yep.  Working in civil law (although not, mercifully, as a lawyer), I'd say that's a pretty good bet on the their thinking.


Eh, their attorney's will sit down and look at what the city can expect to pay to defend the suit, lets say it's $50,000.  They'll offer to cut her a check for $35,000, while not admitting any wrongdoing and having a non-disclosure agreement signed so that she forfeits the settlement if she ever discloses it.  She'll likely take it; because her attorney, while a total idiot on TV, likely knows that she probably can't win it in in court, which would leave her client with nothing (and her with nothing).  That doesn't take into account that Winston, if he wins, could also be entitled to having the accuser pay his legal fees.

There's a reason that people live off lawsuits.
 
2014-01-10 12:38:47 AM
She's got a fantastic case as long as the trial venue isn't located in Tallahassee.  It'd be a slam dunk if she got it in, say, Gainesville or Jacksonville.
 
2014-01-10 12:39:07 AM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: RickyWilliams'sBong: ongbok: I just talked to a lawyer friend of mine about this. He said that the suit against Winston will probably be dropped. The reason is that because the accuser is going to have to get on the stand and testify to what happened. She is also going to have to explain her other stories of what happened, and this will destroy her.

However her suit against TPD will more than likely end up with her getting a settlement in the 5 figures. The reason for this is that if this goes to trial they will have to explain their investigative process, it may be possible that her lawyer will bring up other cases like this from the past, and this is something most departments don't want to explain. Also they are going to have to explain why they didn't send it to the prosecutor, which they explained, but they are going to have to rely on people believing their explanation. Also they are going to have to fight the perception that many people have that no matter what, even if they believe he is innocent or guilty, that this case should have been decided by a jury, and he should have been arrested and charged. So for those reasons he said that this would be messy for TPD to take to trial and they are going to give her a "go away" settlement.

Yep.  Working in civil law (although not, mercifully, as a lawyer), I'd say that's a pretty good bet on the their thinking.

Eh, their attorney's will sit down and look at what the city can expect to pay to defend the suit, lets say it's $50,000.  They'll offer to cut her a check for $35,000, while not admitting any wrongdoing and having a non-disclosure agreement signed so that she forfeits the settlement if she ever discloses it.  She'll likely take it; because her attorney, while a total idiot on TV, likely knows that she probably can't win it in in court, which would leave her client with nothing (and her with nothing).  That doesn't take into account that Winston, if he wins, could also be entitled to having the accuser pay his legal fees.
There's a reason that people live off lawsuits.


Yep. and then her lawyer can put it on her resume that she got TPD to pay out on a high profile lawsuit regarding Winston. And she will let people know it.
 
2014-01-10 01:11:33 AM

IlGreven: degenerate-afro: Arkanaut: Cymbal: I'm sure this will drop him a few spots in the draft, causing him to counter sue for the millions he lost out on.

If there's one thing NFL teams will not tolerate, it's sexual misconduct by its players.

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Right on brother.

SEE IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE I'VE BEEN ACCUSED OF RAPE TWICE

/And yet, he's been convicted as often as Winston has.


Of course! Getting women into club bathrooms and admitting to having sex in public while a body guard is at the door isn't sexual misconduct by any means.  I have no idea why anyone would think otherwise.
 
2014-01-10 01:28:49 AM

Tiberius Gracchus: change1211: Serious question, why do we hear so many rape cases involving football players?

Because the players are famous, causing it to gain more attention than *random college student* doing the same thing?

If you mean as opposed to other sports - I'm not sure we really hear that many less in non-football sports among the professionals. Although there is a much lower number of foreign players in football than baseball, so some of the "statistically expected" rape cases there happen in other countries, and only sort of trickle back to our media. In the last couple years there have been a couple MLB related incidents though (Jose Canseco and Starlin Castro are two I can think of off the top of my head, I seem to remember a couple people in trouble in their home countries, but not specifically enough to remember names/google it). Among the Amateur and Minor Leagues though, NCAA players have a tremendously large profile in football compared to the Minor Leagues or NCAA baseball, so only when the case is (apparently) egregious like an entire team being accused of rape (Duke Lacrosse) does the country take notice. I know too little of basketball to speculate there other than Kobe to Big Ben seem to be approximately the same time period, suggesting a roughly equal rate of incidence?

1/6 of women have experienced rape or attempted rape. If you look at just college aged women it's 1/4. So, much like that song from Love Actually, rape is all around you. We just don't pay attention unless one of the parties is worth a TMZ headline.


Can we please stop bandying about the 1:4 stat please? Rape is a serious enough thing that we don't have to lie about it.

http://communityvoices.post-gazette.com/opinion/the-radical-middle/276 67--one-in-one-thousand-eight-hundred-seventy-seven
 
2014-01-10 03:55:39 AM
Nick Marshall at Auburn is cuter. That's one reason I wanted the Tigers to win.
 
2014-01-10 06:36:03 AM

steamingpile: This always bugs me, too many settlements and not enough calling them out for being shiatheads after cash. I had some dumb biatch sue our insurance because of a wreck on private property, even though she was at fault and she went through 9 lawyers before someone would file.


The problem is they'd spend more money fighting it than it'd cost to simply make her go away.

They could fight it and demand attorney's fees if they win, and the judge might well grant them, but most lawyers would see that strategy and say, "Great, you can pin the ruling to your wall, but unfortunately you'll never see the money."

I'd love to see them fight it though.

Winston is a different story, since his reputation being cleared has a financial benefit down the road if he continues doing well and goes on to become a Top 5 draft pick.  He might well fight it.
 
2014-01-10 06:39:54 AM

RickyWilliams'sBong: Winston is a different story, since his reputation being cleared has a financial benefit down the road if he continues doing well and goes on to become a Top 5 draft pick.  He might well fight it.


There is no way that he'll be a Top 5 pick in the draft. None. Zero. Nada.

First round? Maybe... But no way he'll make it in the first five picks. I have him going in the 3rd round at best.
 
2014-01-10 08:10:51 AM

Mind of the North Star: Arkanaut: Cymbal: I'm sure this will drop him a few spots in the draft, causing him to counter sue for the millions he lost out on.

If there's one thing NFL teams will not tolerate, it's sexual misconduct by its players.

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He has the "unless they have already won them a Superbowl" exemption though.
 
2014-01-10 08:27:40 AM

Rodeodoc: rjakobi: Google Nina Shahraven. After that, you'll see why it must take a whole assload of evidence for any professional and/or collegiate athlete to be sued nowadays.

Women are capable of lying about sexual assault, despite what repeated viewings of Lifetime and CSI SVU tell you.

I agree with you.  However, police departments and colleges are also capable of lying, destroying evidence, and doing anything possible to protect the gold mine that is a star football player.  Believe me, Tallahassee cops know who is more valuable to society when it comes to first round draft pick versus some chick from nowhere.


Difficulty:
At the time when this went down Winston was basically a 5th string backup.  He had never taken a single snap for FSU.  It was before any of his notoriety in the pre-season because it was before Spring Football and it was before Baseball season.

When all this crap went down it was the word of a football player nobody vs. the word of a girl nobody.  And none of the evidence supported any of the girls stories, of which there were at least 4 that have been publicly released.

The only "protection" that happened was TPD saw the accusation for what it was: bullshiat not worthy of their, or their AG's time.  The absolute only reason it has the little traction it does now is due to the only thing that has changed in the intervening period: Winston's potential value in a lawsuit.  He went from a nobody on a large football team to the starting QB of the #1 team in the country who also has a Heismann.  That combined with evidence and eye witness accounts that contradicts all her stories should instantly discredit the entire suit to any impartial viewer.

But hes a black football player, shes a Pretty White FemaleTM, and rape is unfortunately under reported and often under punished.  So people will be quick to judge Winston as guilty due to race, misguided feminism, or a genuine (but misapplied in this case) desire to "get justice" without getting the facts first.

The PWFTM pushing this lawsuit will in fact do a large amount of harm to the pursuit of justice for rape victims as this case is exactly the type of case which makes people project an image of mistrust on real victims.  But she will still probably collect some cash from TPD and learn very little in the end.
 
2014-01-10 08:28:39 AM
Serious question, why do we hear so many rape cases involving football players?


Partly because of the culture of violent, aggressive sports, and partly because they are millionaires and potential millionaires, thus attractive targets for false accusations
 
2014-01-10 08:33:31 AM

Rodeodoc: rjakobi: Google Nina Shahraven. After that, you'll see why it must take a whole assload of evidence for any professional and/or collegiate athlete to be sued nowadays.

Women are capable of lying about sexual assault, despite what repeated viewings of Lifetime and CSI SVU tell you.

I agree with you.  However, police departments and colleges are also capable of lying, destroying evidence, and doing anything possible to protect the gold mine that is a star football player.  Believe me, Tallahassee cops know who is more valuable to society when it comes to first round draft pick versus some chick from nowhere.


No, they don't.  I know why you think that way, because that's the way tv shows and movies portray things.  But it isn't close to reality in this case.

Prominent FSU football players have been charged with bullshiat crimes before.  Leon County is the most liberal county in Florida, and one of the most liberal in the country.  Many long-time residents view the football team as an intrusion upon their (long-forgotten) "Berkeley of the South" reputation. An embarrassment.

/Before you get all pissy, I am in no way implying that liberals like to charge people with bullshiat crimes.  Just explaining the gulf between the city's powermakers and the football team

I really feel bad for the "victim" at this point.  Jameis Winston will come out of this looking better.  The city and FSU probably a little worse.  The victim - trashed.  She's a college girl who got in over her head.  Her attorney is going to absolutely destroy her reputation, make it so the only thing that comes up when you google her name is "Cleatchaser".  All for a hope at a possible five figure payout.  Disgusting.
 
2014-01-10 08:38:09 AM

MmmmBacon: RickyWilliams'sBong: Winston is a different story, since his reputation being cleared has a financial benefit down the road if he continues doing well and goes on to become a Top 5 draft pick.  He might well fight it.

There is no way that he'll be a Top 5 pick in the draft. None. Zero. Nada.

First round? Maybe... But no way he'll make it in the first five picks. I have him going in the 3rd round at best.


Damn, have you shared this bombshell with anyone else?  You might want to get the word out to the other draft experts so they can adjust accordingly.
 
2014-01-10 09:59:52 AM
I don't know if he did or not but they need to change or add a law. If you falsely accuse someone of rape, you get the same sentence they would have gotten had they been convicted. I think that unless they're pants on the head crazy, that might get rid of a lot of the false accusations made from people having drunk sex then regretting it and screaming rape so their friends don't know they're really just whores
 
2014-01-10 10:38:48 AM
"I was a friend of Jameis.  He taught me that if you throw well, it's OK to rape."

/Now I take one of his possessions.
//His water belongs to the Seminoles.
 
2014-01-10 11:44:33 AM

MmmmBacon: There is no way that he'll be a Top 5 pick in the draft. None. Zero. Nada.

First round? Maybe... But no way he'll make it in the first five picks. I have him going in the 3rd round at best.


Might want to read some scouting reports, slick.
 
2014-01-10 10:36:46 PM

IlGreven: WhyKnot: I didn't follow the case...so in the court of public opinion on fark, did he rape her?

Dude, she accused him. That's as good as a conviction in most people's eyes.


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