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(Modesto Bee)   Ever failing upward, or sideways at least, 'Bama reportedly considering Lane Kiffin for vacant offensive coordinator job   (modbee.com) divider line 54
    More: Fail, Lane Kiffin, offensive coordinator, Doug Nussmeier, Nick Saban, USC, Southern California, pro-style offense, Pete Carroll  
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2014-01-09 01:21:10 PM
You know, when Al Davis had that press conference after firing Kiffin, complete with a 1970s era overhead projector, he was roundly mocked. But I think everything he said about what a liar and snake Kiffin is has been proven since.

So, sorry about that, Al.
 
2014-01-09 01:26:31 PM
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As noted, Al Davis - for once - was 100% accurate about something.
 
2014-01-09 01:27:50 PM
THANKS 'BAMA
 
2014-01-09 01:52:06 PM
Saban's trolling.
 
2014-01-09 02:25:01 PM
And always twirling, twirling, twirling towards bowl games!
 
2014-01-09 02:28:08 PM
Kiffin was the offensive coordinator for a National Championship team. He might suck as a head coach, but his resume as an assistant isn't bad.

And you know if he stinks, Saban will show him the door.
 
2014-01-09 02:35:34 PM
I'm happy to have Nussmeier join Michigan's coaching staff. The Wolverines have a tough schedule next year, but if we can get a decent Offensive line coach, it might not be that bad.

It doesn't hurt that we stole him from Saban.
 
2014-01-09 02:40:04 PM

ladodger34: Kiffin was the offensive coordinator for a National Championship team. He might suck as a head coach, but his resume as an assistant isn't bad.

And you know if he stinks, Saban will show him the door.


Yep. Great recruiter, too. Not that Bama needs much help in that regard.
 
2014-01-09 02:42:57 PM
NCAA recruiting violations in 3 ... 2 ... 1
 
2014-01-09 02:43:14 PM

Nabb1: As noted, Al Davis - for once - was 100% accurate about something.


Al was correct about a lot of things over his lifetime.  Sure it was less often after the dementia started to settle in, but he certainly doesn't deserve a "for once".
 
2014-01-09 02:59:37 PM

LesserEvil: I'm happy to have Nussmeier join Michigan's coaching staff. The Wolverines have a tough schedule next year, but if we can get a decent Offensive line coach, it might not be that bad.

It doesn't hurt that we stole him from Saban.


I'm happy we have him too but I'm not sure stole is the right answer here. I think Saban wanted Kiffy and Michigan seized the opportunity push Borges out the door.
 
2014-01-09 03:07:03 PM
They're also interviewing the Cards' QB coach Freddie Kitchens, so Bama may end up with a great coach at that position. He was the ONLY coach that was kept in the transition from Whiz to Arians.
 
2014-01-09 03:09:11 PM

degenerate-afro: Nabb1: As noted, Al Davis - for once - was 100% accurate about something.

Al was correct about a lot of things over his lifetime.  Sure it was less often after the dementia started to settle in, but he certainly doesn't deserve a "for once".


QFT

Al Davis WAS a football genius who greatly contributed to the NFL's dominance among sports leagues.

It is sad that his legacy on Fark has become the shell of a man he was before he died.

/not a fan...anymore
//hated him for moving to LA
///didn't care when they came back
 
2014-01-09 03:19:24 PM
I'm torn. On the one hand he is a great offensive coach. On the other hand he is a piece of shiat cocksucker.
 
2014-01-09 03:27:23 PM
The writing was on the wall for this before the Alabama's bowl game.  When Saban brought him in as a consultant to "share" ideas, anyone with a brain knew Nussmeier was gone as soon as the season was over.

If Saban wanted to keep Nussmeier, they would have.  Going from OC at Alabama to OC at Michigan is a step down, no matter what Wolverine fans will say.  Saban was probably all too willing to let him go to Michigan without offering a competing salary.
 
2014-01-09 03:29:43 PM
Crap, I just read that Tre Mason is entering the draft.  Not related to this story, but still.
 
2014-01-09 03:30:26 PM

Krymson Tyde: I'm torn. On the one hand he is a great offensive coach. On the other hand he is a piece of shiat cocksucker.


As a avid Vol fan who really really dislikes Bama. Even I wouldn't wish this guy on you.
 
2014-01-09 03:40:39 PM
Would he get to ride on the team bus?

How about his own parking space?

www.baconsports.com
 
2014-01-09 03:41:03 PM

el_pilgrim: Krymson Tyde: I'm torn. On the one hand he is a great offensive coach. On the other hand he is a piece of shiat cocksucker.

As a avid Vol fan who really really dislikes Bama. Even I wouldn't wish this guy on you.


I wouldnt even wish him on the Gators(I hate FL fulltime I only hate bama 3rd sat in October)

Maybe with any luck he will end up in a conference no one cares about like the Sunbelt or the Big lEast.
 
2014-01-09 03:45:36 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: The writing was on the wall for this before the Alabama's bowl game.  When Saban brought him in as a consultant to "share" ideas, anyone with a brain knew Nussmeier was gone as soon as the season was over.


Kiffin ideas:

"How about another bubble screen?"
"Oh someone else just offered me a job see you later"
 
2014-01-09 03:46:59 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Going from OC at Alabama to OC at Michigan is a step down, no matter what Wolverine fans will say.


I won't claim otherwise.  We have to earn our way back to where we were in the 1990s.

This may be a good start.
 
2014-01-09 03:47:21 PM

el_pilgrim: Krymson Tyde: I'm torn. On the one hand he is a great offensive coach. On the other hand he is a piece of shiat cocksucker.

As a avid Vol fan who really really dislikes Bama. Even I wouldn't wish this guy on you.


As someone who loathes the Vols, you haven't sympathies for what he did to you.
 
2014-01-09 03:56:30 PM

Krymson Tyde: el_pilgrim: Krymson Tyde: I'm torn. On the one hand he is a great offensive coach. On the other hand he is a piece of shiat cocksucker.

As a avid Vol fan who really really dislikes Bama. Even I wouldn't wish this guy on you.

As someone who loathes the Vols, you haven't sympathies for what he did to you.


WTF? *have my sympathies
 
2014-01-09 03:57:53 PM
That's troubling if you're a 'Bama fan, right? Lane Kiffen potentially a blocked artery or sideline tackle away from being the head coach of the Alabama Crimson Tide?
 
2014-01-09 03:59:51 PM

jake_lex: You know, when Al Davis had that press conference after firing Kiffin, complete with a 1970s era overhead projector, he was roundly mocked. But I think everything he said about what a liar and snake Kiffin is has been proven since.

So, sorry about that, Al.


I doubt that pro football would exist as it does now without Al Davis.  Sure, he got crazy as he aged...imho it all started with his lawsuit against Rozelle.  Didn't matter that he won the lawsuit...he was never the same.  It saddens me that now, multiple generations are not even aware of just what a true genius he really was.
 
2014-01-09 04:00:28 PM

jayhawk88: That's troubling if you're a 'Bama fan, right? Lane Kiffen potentially a blocked artery or sideline tackle away from being the head coach of the Alabama Crimson Tide?


I bet they'd elevate Kirby Smart to interim coach in that case.
 
2014-01-09 04:11:32 PM

Krymson Tyde: I'm torn. On the one hand he is a great offensive coach. On the other hand he is a piece of shiat cocksucker.


fits in with saban.

great coach, kind of a dick.
 
2014-01-09 04:13:41 PM
Lane Kiffin is a disease. How he continues to get offers is unfathomable. This win-at-all-costs mentality is eroding any sense of honor from organizations. He has no ethical backbone. Why would you want him shaping your athletes? Especially student athletes? Is there really no qualified person out there to fill the void he should be leaving? Give someone new a chance.
 
2014-01-09 04:40:46 PM

Krymson Tyde: I'm torn. On the one hand he is a great offensive coach. On the other hand he is a piece of shiat cocksucker.


The trouble is, Saban's Process can't quantify "piece of shait cocksucker", so that may not factor in to his decision at all.

//Only partially joking.
 
2014-01-09 04:42:37 PM

Krymson Tyde: Krymson Tyde: el_pilgrim: Krymson Tyde: I'm torn. On the one hand he is a great offensive coach. On the other hand he is a piece of shiat cocksucker.

As a avid Vol fan who really really dislikes Bama. Even I wouldn't wish this guy on you.

As someone who loathes the Vols, you haven't sympathies for what he did to you.

WTF? *have my sympathies


Thank you sir, and to keep things civil lets change the topic to politics.

/I kid, I kid
//go Vols!
 
2014-01-09 04:48:20 PM

jake_lex: You know, when Al Davis had that press conference after firing Kiffin, complete with a 1970s era overhead projector, he was roundly mocked. But I think everything he said about what a liar and snake Kiffin is has been proven since.

So, sorry about that, Al.


Yeah, I'll admit to that.  Thought Al had finally lost his marbles doing that; in retrospect, he was completely right to fire him.
 
2014-01-09 04:50:08 PM

Oldiron_79: el_pilgrim: Krymson Tyde: I'm torn. On the one hand he is a great offensive coach. On the other hand he is a piece of shiat cocksucker.

As a avid Vol fan who really really dislikes Bama. Even I wouldn't wish this guy on you.

I wouldnt even wish him on the Gators(I hate FL fulltime I only hate bama 3rd sat in October)

Maybe with any luck he will end up in a conference no one cares about like the Sunbelt or the Big lEast.


Also: Petrino....back to Louisville?!  WTF are they smoking there?!
 
2014-01-09 04:56:11 PM

stir22: I doubt that pro football would exist as it does now without Al Davis. Sure, he got crazy as he aged...imho it all started with his lawsuit against Rozelle. Didn't matter that he won the lawsuit...he was never the same. It saddens me that now, multiple generations are not even aware of just what a true genius he really was.


Shame the folks in my age group (mid-30's) weren't even born (or were really young) when he was at his best.

Kiffin's a jerk, but he can call plays when he has the best guys on the field, so he'll fit in well with Alabama.  And Saban will keep him in line.
 
2014-01-09 05:01:20 PM

Gonz: Krymson Tyde: I'm torn. On the one hand he is a great offensive coach. On the other hand he is a piece of shiat cocksucker.

The trouble is, Saban's Process can't quantify "piece of shait cocksucker", so that may not factor in to his decision at all.

//Only partially joking.


Uh, not really?  Remember that Alabama HS coach that didn't get a post with Saban because he was having an affair.

/Love the hypocrisy
//Having an affair? Ok.
///Aborting your love child? NO~! IT'S A SIN AGAINST GOD~!
 
2014-01-09 05:27:01 PM
Lane Kiffin is a better coach than the guy who replaced him at USC is.

/ Huskies fan
// thanks for "stealing" our coach Pat
 
2014-01-09 05:46:08 PM

PowerSlacker: Lane Kiffin is a better coach than the guy who replaced him at USC is.

/ Huskies fan
// thanks for "stealing" our coach Pat


I thought Sark was a great hire for USC.

/ Also a Huskies fan.
 
2014-01-09 05:48:40 PM

ladodger34: Kiffin was the offensive coordinator for a National Championship team. He might suck as a head coach, but his resume as an assistant isn't bad.

And you know if he stinks, Saban will show him the door.


In his two years as OC at USC, Kiffin's offenses averaged 42 points per game and he was, by all accounts, an excellent recruiter.  I can think of worse guys to hire.
 
2014-01-09 05:51:35 PM

legion_of_doo: Krymson Tyde: I'm torn. On the one hand he is a great offensive coach. On the other hand he is a piece of shiat cocksucker.

fits in with saban.

great coach, kind of a dick.


Yeah, because when I think great offensive coach, I think constant bubble screens.  When he won the title, he was co-offensive coordinator with Sark.  When Pete left, 'SC fans wanted Sark because they knew he was the better half of the tandem, but got Kiffin.  I personally (as a USC fan/alum) would have preferred giving Coach O a chance, but I suppose we get to see now what would have been if we hired Sark.
 
2014-01-09 06:14:38 PM

Rent Party: PowerSlacker: Lane Kiffin is a better coach than the guy who replaced him at USC is.

/ Huskies fan
// thanks for "stealing" our coach Pat

I thought Sark was a great hire for USC.

/ Also a Huskies fan.


USC doesn't like going 5-4 in the conference every year.
 
2014-01-09 06:53:03 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: The writing was on the wall for this before the Alabama's bowl game.  When Saban brought him in as a consultant to "share" ideas, anyone with a brain knew Nussmeier was gone as soon as the season was over.

If Saban wanted to keep Nussmeier, they would have.  Going from OC at Alabama to OC at Michigan is a step down, no matter what Wolverine fans will say.  Saban was probably all too willing to let him go to Michigan without offering a competing salary.


Yeah but was Nussmeier ever going to get credit for his role at Bama? As a long term move to build a resume and become a head coach its a good move. Knowing that I am sure Michigan made an offer that made it difficult for Bama to counter. Think of it as a reverse Brett Beilema and it isnt *such* a step down.
 
2014-01-09 07:15:18 PM

baorao: Yeah but was Nussmeier ever going to get credit for his role at Bama? As a long term move to build a resume and become a head coach its a good move. Knowing that I am sure Michigan made an offer that made it difficult for Bama to counter. Think of it as a reverse Brett Beilema and it isnt *such* a step down.


The risk of not getting credit generally comes when you're a coordinator under a head coach known for running his own offense or defense.  That holds back guys like Kirby Smart (along with the fact that Mark Richt keeps not getting fired and giving Kirby the chance at the job most think he wants).  That's also why we were all nervous when Jimbo hired Mark Stoops and Jeremy Pruitt.  (Many worried that Mike Stoops was the real brains behind the D at 'Zona, and Pruitt himself has noted that Saban is the real DBs coach at Bama.)

My guess is Michigan threw a bunch of money on the table, and they're giving him more freedom than Saban would have.  (He doesn't coordinate the offense, but I'm sure he meddles quite a bit.)  So he'll get a chance to produce a turnaround, do some new stuff, and leverage it up to a good HC gig.
 
2014-01-09 07:31:40 PM

RickyWilliams'sBong: baorao: Yeah but was Nussmeier ever going to get credit for his role at Bama? As a long term move to build a resume and become a head coach its a good move. Knowing that I am sure Michigan made an offer that made it difficult for Bama to counter. Think of it as a reverse Brett Beilema and it isnt *such* a step down.

The risk of not getting credit generally comes when you're a coordinator under a head coach known for running his own offense or defense.  That holds back guys like Kirby Smart (along with the fact that Mark Richt keeps not getting fired and giving Kirby the chance at the job most think he wants).  That's also why we were all nervous when Jimbo hired Mark Stoops and Jeremy Pruitt.  (Many worried that Mike Stoops was the real brains behind the D at 'Zona, and Pruitt himself has noted that Saban is the real DBs coach at Bama.)

My guess is Michigan threw a bunch of money on the table, and they're giving him more freedom than Saban would have.  (He doesn't coordinate the offense, but I'm sure he meddles quite a bit.)  So he'll get a chance to produce a turnaround, do some new stuff, and leverage it up to a good HC gig.


Yeah but how many people are out there say "just plug anybody in. Bama recruits itself, Saban is god, the OC just needs to not fark it up".

So while he isn't passed over in the same way as Kirby Smart, he is probably undervalued for his contribution. If he wants to jump for a pay raise am happy to have him at Michigan.
 
2014-01-09 07:32:38 PM

PowerSlacker: Rent Party: PowerSlacker: Lane Kiffin is a better coach than the guy who replaced him at USC is.

/ Huskies fan
// thanks for "stealing" our coach Pat

I thought Sark was a great hire for USC.

/ Also a Huskies fan.

USC doesn't like going 5-4 in the conference every year.


Yeah I know.  That's what makes hiring Sark so freakin' awesome.  It's downright hilarious.

/ Chris Petersen FTW
 
2014-01-09 08:41:26 PM

RickyWilliams'sBong: baorao: Yeah but was Nussmeier ever going to get credit for his role at Bama? As a long term move to build a resume and become a head coach its a good move. Knowing that I am sure Michigan made an offer that made it difficult for Bama to counter. Think of it as a reverse Brett Beilema and it isnt *such* a step down.

The risk of not getting credit generally comes when you're a coordinator under a head coach known for running his own offense or defense.  That holds back guys like Kirby Smart (along with the fact that Mark Richt keeps not getting fired and giving Kirby the chance at the job most think he wants).  That's also why we were all nervous when Jimbo hired Mark Stoops and Jeremy Pruitt.  (Many worried that Mike Stoops was the real brains behind the D at 'Zona, and Pruitt himself has noted that Saban is the real DBs coach at Bama.)

My guess is Michigan threw a bunch of money on the table, and they're giving him more freedom than Saban would have.  (He doesn't coordinate the offense, but I'm sure he meddles quite a bit.)  So he'll get a chance to produce a turnaround, do some new stuff, and leverage it up to a good HC gig.


yes. whether he stayed at bama or left for michigan, the guy is lining up his HC gig. the situation at michigan gives him more of a chance to shine since the program starts lower, while bama just gives him time to fall from the top.
 
2014-01-09 08:44:04 PM

ladodger34: Kiffin was the offensive coordinator for a National Championship team


So was Nussmeier.  And Al Borges, incidentally.  Fair warning there.

This Looks Fun: This win-at-all-costs mentality is eroding any sense of honor from organizations.


If you think any program in the SEC or NFL has a shred of honor, you've got Sansa Stark levels of rape, trauma, horror, disillusionment and rape ahead of you.
That said, there is something to be said for scorched-earth management, and it's this:  It farking sucks.  Even some dishonorable people get that fark-everything-do-it-now people are unproductive in the long run.  They may not care about all the tears shed and hair pulled out caused by the stress and would happily hire the nastiest guy on the planet if he got results, but. . . generally, scorched-earth douchebags can't sustain success.  Burning ten dollars of capital for ten cents of quick profit only makes sense if you're a sociopath intending to cash in and get out. . . I guess that's Lane Kiffin?  I don't know much about the guy but the venom for him here is rather undisputed.

baorao: Yeah but how many people are out there say "just plug anybody in. Bama recruits itself, Saban is god, the OC just needs to not fark it up".


This, plus Saban strikes me as a megalomaniac who found his man in Kiffin, plus Alabama wanted a sacrifice for the Meat God after their "disappointing" season.  But really, does Nussmeier himself have to have a chip on his shoulder to justify going to Michigan?  This move could be entirely self-serving but it may not necessarily be about jealousy.
 One thing unanimously established so far in Hoke's young tenure as Michigan's HC is this:  every player, former player and coach who's worked for Hoke likes working for him.  The coordinators at Michigan are not in anyone's shadow, and Hoke puts a lot of trust in them (probably too much in Borges' case).  Greg Mattison, in particular, has as impressive a resume as any DC in football, but he went back to Michigan specifically to work for Hoke.


Nussmeier is leaving a program with absurdly high expectations for another program with absurdly high expectations without the talent to meet them, but he'll also be getting a significant pay raise and a much nicer boss.  I know nothing about Nussmeier but I do know the appeal of being offered a raise to take a less stressful job.
 
2014-01-09 10:56:39 PM

Krymson Tyde: I'm torn. On the one hand he is a great offensive coach. On the other hand he is a piece of shiat cocksucker.


Go ahead and mark down this day as the day a UT and an Alabama fan were in agreement
 
2014-01-10 01:00:12 AM

rugman11: ladodger34: Kiffin was the offensive coordinator for a National Championship team. He might suck as a head coach, but his resume as an assistant isn't bad.

And you know if he stinks, Saban will show him the door.

In his two years as OC at USC, Kiffin's offenses averaged 42 points per game and he was, by all accounts, an excellent recruiter.  I can think of worse guys to hire.


Was Kiffin the guy who recruited Reggie Bush and part of that whole mess? If by excellent recruiter you mean can't follow the rules then hes your guy.
 
2014-01-10 01:04:47 AM

el_pilgrim: Was Kiffin the guy who recruited Reggie Bush and part of that whole mess? If by excellent recruiter you mean can't follow the rules then hes your guy.


Reggie Bush didn't have any issues with violations until he was given money by an agent who wanted to get him to sign with him after he left USC.
 
2014-01-10 02:57:31 AM

IAmRight: el_pilgrim: Was Kiffin the guy who recruited Reggie Bush and part of that whole mess? If by excellent recruiter you mean can't follow the rules then hes your guy.

Reggie Bush didn't have any issues with violations until he was given money by an agent who wanted to get him to sign with him after he left USC.


And in reality, the agent didn't really give the money to Reggie, he gave it to Reggie's dad.

The NCAA was so full of shiat on that one I'm surprised they didn't drown in it.
 
2014-01-10 10:30:40 AM
This will never happen. If Kiffen takes a job at Bama hee will have to return to Knoxville for games every other year. An experienced crook never returns to the scene of the crime.
 
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