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(Bozeman Daily Chronicle)   Movement afoot to convene "common law grand juries" made up of citizens with little or no basis in law or competent governance. What could possibly go right?   (bozemandailychronicle.com) divider line 110
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2014-01-09 12:48:52 PM
Yes, because this sort of thing has always worked out in the past.
 
2014-01-09 12:53:50 PM
Well, the big dogs might actually face charges because the common law grand jury might not care how much influence that person has.
 
2014-01-09 01:00:34 PM

BizarreMan: Well, the big dogs might actually face charges because the common law grand jury might not care how much influence that person has.


A group of assholes calling someone names doesn't constitute "charges."
 
2014-01-09 01:22:43 PM
TFA is like word sslad.  Any of our legal eagles here care to explain what these goons are trying to do with these "grand juries"?

Don't they already exist anyway?  Why call "common law" versions of them?
 
2014-01-09 01:24:07 PM

BizarreMan: Well, the big dogs might actually face charges because the common law grand jury might not care how much influence that person has.


Face charges? Are you kidding? Common law is not an actual thing.
 
2014-01-09 01:25:37 PM

BizarreMan: Well, the big dogs might actually face charges because the common law grand jury might not care how much influence that person has.


These people are usually just the absolutely insane wing of the libertarian movement.  Not to be confused with the marginally insane wing of libertarian movement.
 
2014-01-09 01:31:04 PM
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What's the problem?
 
2014-01-09 01:31:22 PM
Will the flag at the common law grand juries have fringe or not? It sounds like the sovereign citizen groups have decided they need their own courts. A scary whack-a-doddle group of people. They may have to use armed militia members to round up and judge the people they accuse. Almost sounds like a bygone time in the south.
 
2014-01-09 01:34:47 PM
I say we return the 'Trial by Combat' statute.
 
2014-01-09 01:34:57 PM
I predict a bloodbath.

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2014-01-09 01:34:58 PM
I can understand the momentum for this movement. After all, it was exactly that sort of independent grand jury that brought down a sitting President.
 
2014-01-09 01:36:33 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: I predict a bloodbath.

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I don't think there's many left-wing journalists like him in the US.
 
2014-01-09 01:36:40 PM
Isn't this really just a mob?
 
2014-01-09 01:37:05 PM
"common law grand juries" made up of citizens with little or no basis in law or competent governance

Well, you'd have to get them to stop arguing in FARK threads long enough to actually do something first.
 
2014-01-09 01:37:27 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: TFA is like word sslad.  Any of our legal eagles here care to explain what these goons are trying to do with these "grand juries"?

Don't they already exist anyway?  Why call "common law" versions of them?


They want to convene panels of citizens (with no legal authority or basis behind them) and make recommendations to the prosecutors in their respective counties who to prosecute for crimes.

Which is, of course, in no way not subject to abuse (sarcasm).

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Why call "common law" versions of them?


They seem to think that was how it should be because that's how the Founding Fathers had them. Also, because there's no statutory law granting them the authority, they're going with a nebulous claim of "common law."
 
2014-01-09 01:37:37 PM
So, like Sharia law?
 
2014-01-09 01:38:24 PM

Dimensio: I can understand the momentum for this movement. After all, it was exactly that sort of independent grand jury that brought down a sitting President.


Finally, Fartbongo will face charges of treason for being a Kenyan usurper of America's freedoms.
 
2014-01-09 01:38:41 PM

Tricky Chicken: Isn't this really just a mob?


A lynch mob and a kangaroo court, yes.
 
2014-01-09 01:39:06 PM
So is this really a "movement" or just a bunch of idiots upset that things are going they way they want them to?

Our system of Justice isn't perfect, but it is a damn sight better than letting who ever has the loudest voice win.
 
2014-01-09 01:40:20 PM
Bad reporting.  The first 2 paragraphs use the words citizens and groups.  But the last paragraph in the TFA included  So far, Heath said she is the only person involved in the Gallatin County effort.

Can it really be called a movement when there's only 1 person involved?
 
2014-01-09 01:40:36 PM
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//about time we had one
 
2014-01-09 01:41:03 PM

Famous Thamas: So is this really a "movement" or just a bunch of idiots upset that things are going they way they want them to?

Our system of Justice isn't perfect, but it is a damn sight better than letting who ever has the loudest voice win.


Yeah. In our system, whoever has the most money wins. Much better.

Not that I support these assholes.
 
2014-01-09 01:41:29 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: I predict a bloodbath.

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What you did there, I see it.
 
2014-01-09 01:41:45 PM
Oh, this again?
 
2014-01-09 01:42:08 PM

susler: Bad reporting.  The first 2 paragraphs use the words citizens and groups.  But the last paragraph in the TFA included  So far, Heath said she is the only person involved in the Gallatin County effort.

Can it really be called a movement when there's only 1 person involved?


It's not a movement unless it involves a #2.
 
2014-01-09 01:42:16 PM

susler: Can it really be called a movement when there's only 1 person involved?


They'll think shes crazy and they won't take her.

Now if you get TWO people...
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-01-09 01:43:30 PM
"There is a move to do this in all the counties ... in the United States, to return us to common law, which is where we were supposed to be all along,"

Somehow I doubt this person have ever cracked a history book.
 
2014-01-09 01:43:42 PM
You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers ... these are people of the land ... the common clay of the New West....
 
2014-01-09 01:43:54 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: susler: Bad reporting.  The first 2 paragraphs use the words citizens and groups.  But the last paragraph in the TFA included  So far, Heath said she is the only person involved in the Gallatin County effort.

Can it really be called a movement when there's only 1 person involved?

It's not a movement unless it involves a #2.


Who does #2 work for?
 
2014-01-09 01:44:37 PM
This idea sounds like something the Sovereign Citizen nuts would come up with. Except, they'd use more legal mumbo jumbo.
 
2014-01-09 01:44:37 PM
Common law does not mean laws being enforced by common people.  Common law is known as Judge Made Law.  It is law made when Judges uphold common laws and give common. <Br><br>

As long as any judgement passed by this bastardization of "common" is subject to an Appeal and independent review, it should be fine.  But without a check on this, it will become corrupt and lead to group think and miscarriages of justice.
 
2014-01-09 01:44:51 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: susler: Bad reporting.  The first 2 paragraphs use the words citizens and groups.  But the last paragraph in the TFA included  So far, Heath said she is the only person involved in the Gallatin County effort.

Can it really be called a movement when there's only 1 person involved?

It's not a movement unless it involves a #2.


POOP THREAD!
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-01-09 01:44:53 PM

Fano: Tricky Chicken: Isn't this really just a mob?

A lynch mob and a kangaroo court, yes.


Another popular phrase with these mental midgets is probably also "majority rules."  Do you think the founding fathers wanted majority rules?  They were scared to death that the poor were going to take their money, and the poor were the majority!
 
2014-01-09 01:44:57 PM

RexTalionis: Grand_Moff_Joseph: TFA is like word sslad.  Any of our legal eagles here care to explain what these goons are trying to do with these "grand juries"?

Don't they already exist anyway?  Why call "common law" versions of them?

They want to convene panels of citizens (with no legal authority or basis behind them) and make recommendations to the prosecutors in their respective counties who to prosecute for crimes.

Which is, of course, in no way not subject to abuse (sarcasm).

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Why call "common law" versions of them?

They seem to think that was how it should be because that's how the Founding Fathers had them. Also, because there's no statutory law granting them the authority, they're going with a nebulous claim of "common law."


oh, so uber-libertarian derp crossed with barely masked intent to discriminate against anyone they don't like.

figures.


/thanks for the clarification though
 
2014-01-09 01:45:56 PM
I's a pop culture reference-a-palooza!
 
2014-01-09 01:46:22 PM

Nabb1: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: susler: Bad reporting.  The first 2 paragraphs use the words citizens and groups.  But the last paragraph in the TFA included  So far, Heath said she is the only person involved in the Gallatin County effort.

Can it really be called a movement when there's only 1 person involved?

It's not a movement unless it involves a #2.

POOP THREAD!


The article came pre-filled with crap.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-01-09 01:46:49 PM
Um.. is it me or was there no enumeration of what was meant by "miscarriage of justice"??
 
2014-01-09 01:47:37 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers ... these are people of the land ... the common clay of the New West....


You know, morons.
 
2014-01-09 01:48:56 PM
Sounds like same type of people who piss n moan about Sharia Law being enacted at any moment......
 
2014-01-09 01:49:09 PM
Yeah, these geniuses think "common law" means "extralegal." They're like the Montana Freemen. You know who wanted those assholes Waco'd? The people who lived near them.

/No, you can't set up your own court system without getting everyone else's approval. Not yours.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2014-01-09 01:49:11 PM

cameroncrazy1984: BizarreMan: Well, the big dogs might actually face charges because the common law grand jury might not care how much influence that person has.

Face charges? Are you kidding? Common law is not an actual thing.


It actually IS a thing, but it's not what these people think it is.
 
2014-01-09 01:51:14 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Common law is not an actual thing.


Are you ignorant or lying? There's not much left, but there is still at least one Federal Common Law Court left in America. It might be waning, but it's not yet gone.
 
2014-01-09 01:52:12 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: RexTalionis: Grand_Moff_Joseph: TFA is like word sslad.  Any of our legal eagles here care to explain what these goons are trying to do with these "grand juries"?

Don't they already exist anyway?  Why call "common law" versions of them?

They want to convene panels of citizens (with no legal authority or basis behind them) and make recommendations to the prosecutors in their respective counties who to prosecute for crimes.

Which is, of course, in no way not subject to abuse (sarcasm).

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Why call "common law" versions of them?

They seem to think that was how it should be because that's how the Founding Fathers had them. Also, because there's no statutory law granting them the authority, they're going with a nebulous claim of "common law."

oh, so uber-libertarian derp crossed with barely masked intent to discriminate against anyone they don't like.

figures.


/thanks for the clarification though


It's a sovereign citizen thing. According to another story, they also want to be able to investigate people for wrongdoing.
 
2014-01-09 01:53:29 PM
Sounds like a backdoor way to prosecute teh ghey and be bothered to prosecute Sodomy laws....
 
2014-01-09 01:54:13 PM

Whooo! Mob rule with a new label! Whooo!

 
2014-01-09 01:54:40 PM

iheartscotch: This idea sounds like something the Sovereign Citizen nuts would come up with. Except, they'd use more legal mumbo jumbo.


Common law juries are a big part of the sovereign citizen movement.  It is the tool they often use to issue liens against police officers or other people they don't like.  This article sounds like it is just sovereign citizen lite, same crazy half the calories!
 
2014-01-09 01:55:07 PM

untaken_name: cameroncrazy1984: Common law is not an actual thing.

Are you ignorant or lying? There's not much left, but there is still at least one Federal Common Law Court left in America. It might be waning, but it's not yet gone.


Sorry, I meant to say "common law in the sense that they believe isn't a thing"
 
2014-01-09 01:57:42 PM
basically mob rule.  pitchforks and torches.  yeah, no, that doesn't work.
 
2014-01-09 01:58:59 PM
I thought grand juries only decided whether or not there was sufficient evidence and cause to prosecute a case. If TFA is any indication, that's the context in which this idea is being presented. I'm not sure I see a problem with that.
 
2014-01-09 01:59:49 PM

shtychkn: Common law does not mean laws being enforced by common people.  Common law is known as Judge Made Law.  It is law made when Judges uphold common laws and give common. <Br><br>

As long as any judgement passed by this bastardization of "common" is subject to an Appeal and independent review, it should be fine.  But without a check on this, it will become corrupt and lead to group think and miscarriages of justice.


It sounds like an abortion to me. I think her whole plan is going to be stillborn so we won't have to worry.
 
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