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(The Atlantic)   When you read about "The Poverty Line" in America, keep in mind the line was originally set in 1963 and it assumes all houses have a full-time housewife who is a "skilled cook" and "careful shopper" to stretch their budget   (theatlantic.com) divider line 25
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2014-01-09 02:27:15 PM  
7 votes:
What you need to do is take the most popular male name and most popular female name for the year proceeding the current by two, assign a numerical value to each later (A=1, B=2 and so on).  and then generate a sum for each name.

For example, in 2012 the names were Sophia=68  and William=79  (This explains why men earn more than women, incidentally).

Add the two values together, divide by two, multiply by the number of people in the family, divide by pets and square that number.

For example, if Sophia and William were married and had 3 kids (children) and 2 kids (goats), poverty for them would be anything less than $33,764.06 annually.  Do this for each family and set the minimum wage locally by household.

There.  Problem solved.  Why do they always have to complicate things?
2014-01-09 02:23:04 PM  
6 votes:
Of course people had time to cook in 1963. TV SUCKED back then.
2014-01-09 02:27:57 PM  
4 votes:

mike_d85: ikanreed: telejester: The overwhelming problem in the U.S. is that the hardest working people are among the poorest.


wtf?  Can you give some examples of such an "overwhelming" problem?

You've never met anyone who's genuinely poor, have you?

I have and lots of them work hard.  Most of them are idiots.  I say that honestly.  They are stupid, stupid people and you can tell them exactly the obvious answer and they will ignore you and do it wrong and worsen their situation or keep it somewhere in the neighborhood of "completely farked".

I say "most" because there are people who got caught in medical bills, layoffs, metal illness, etc. and ended up poor (usually temporarily) and they are not idiots.  However the people who were born poor, stayed poor, and do not show any signs of ever getting out of poverty, are generally morons.


You're like Pope Francis except you're a complete dick.
2014-01-09 03:53:21 PM  
3 votes:
The problem with poverty statistics in America is, you add them all up, and they just don't make any sense.
Example: 98.4% of poor people have refrigerators. I don't know where that comes from, but it's a known fact. It's also a known fact that refrigerators come in boxes.
So how come we have any homeless people at all? What happened to all those refrigerator boxes? See, it just doesn't make sense. I'm not going to gnash my teeth over something that doesn't even make sense.
2014-01-09 02:46:59 PM  
3 votes:

PsiChick: *shrug* Everything needs updating now and then. The problem is when it  isn't updated, and that's a problem our government has in spades.


The Republican party agrees with you.
2014-01-09 02:52:23 PM  
2 votes:

Tricky Chicken: ikanreed: telejester: The overwhelming problem in the U.S. is that the hardest working people are among the poorest.


wtf?  Can you give some examples of such an "overwhelming" problem?

You've never met anyone who's genuinely poor, have you?

Telejester, the answer to your question seems to be 'no' couched as a deflection.

I am related to several people that are genuinely extreemely poor. And I know for a fact that they do almost no work at all. In fact the few times they actually were employed, one of them quit because he didn't want to wake up so early.  One (that I got a job) was fired because he just wouldn't do the work he was asked. One just goes out to clubs and keeps getting herself pregnant (lovely girl, gave up three babies for adoption before she started keeping them). Then there is the used car salesmen (four of them) that can't seem to keep working for the sema place for very long (but I get good deals on cars).  Now if you add into that the waves of dregs I get to meet through this group, I guess that should count as enough annecdotal evidence.

Please drop the 'weeping for the noble hard working screwed over poor' bit.


You forgot one more lazy person you're related to, the laziest one of all:
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2014-01-09 02:33:02 PM  
2 votes:

AngryDragon: So it's women's fault then.  I always suspected.  If they would just stick to making sammiches, everything would be better.


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2014-01-09 02:13:03 PM  
2 votes:
The overwhelming problem in the U.S. is that the hardest working people are among the poorest.
2014-01-09 10:59:50 PM  
1 votes:

Magorn: "...Those numbers are particularly appalling when you look at charts like this:

img.fark.net"



WTF? Do you not recognize that manufacturing machinery has gotten WAY more advanced over the 38 years covered by this chart, and that the increase in worker output is due primarily to the tools used in manufacturing and to process efficiency? Or do you actually believe that manufacturing employees are working 3.5 times as hard as whey were in the 1970s?

This chart, especially in the context you presented it in, is equivalent to saying that since people are traveling much greater distances today than they were in 1895, it means that they're running faster, getting more exercise, and have less time to spend at their destinations.
2014-01-09 03:56:37 PM  
1 votes:

mike_d85: Most of them are idiots.


This is true, but what makes you think it is correlated with wealth?
2014-01-09 03:41:58 PM  
1 votes:

ikanreed: Except cities don't really have the "low-income" jobs anymore either.  There aren't factories downtown where you can just jump in and start making lower-middle class wages.


As has been explained to me, as we outsource virtually all primary production, the dream job of the future for the 90% is step-and-fetch-it work in service to the top 5%.  As more of the wealthy move into the urban core, they need hairdressers, waiters, maids, hos, Whole Foods cashiers, personal trainers, etc, but they need them to live somewhere else.
2014-01-09 03:19:10 PM  
1 votes:

MilesTeg: In real terms, not numbers. What is the definition of "living in poverty" in the US? I'm guessing those living in "poverty" today have quite a more comfortable life than even the "middle" class in the 60's.

Then again there is that whole choice and consequence thing that "freedom" loving people seem to forget about. Everyone wants freedom of choice but they don't want to have to deal with the consequences of their actions if they are bad.


Most of them do have refrigerators.
2014-01-09 03:16:29 PM  
1 votes:

Tricky Chicken: ikanreed: telejester: The overwhelming problem in the U.S. is that the hardest working people are among the poorest.


wtf?  Can you give some examples of such an "overwhelming" problem?

You've never met anyone who's genuinely poor, have you?

Telejester, the answer to your question seems to be 'no' couched as a deflection.

I am related to several people that are genuinely extreemely poor. And I know for a fact that they do almost no work at all. In fact the few times they actually were employed, one of them quit because he didn't want to wake up so early.  One (that I got a job) was fired because he just wouldn't do the work he was asked. One just goes out to clubs and keeps getting herself pregnant (lovely girl, gave up three babies for adoption before she started keeping them). Then there is the used car salesmen (four of them) that can't seem to keep working for the sema place for very long (but I get good deals on cars).  Now if you add into that the waves of dregs I get to meet through this group, I guess that should count as enough annecdotal evidence.

Please drop the 'weeping for the noble hard working screwed over poor' bit.


This and other posts make me want to ask whether folks would like to go the Victorian route and distinguish between the "deserving" poor and the "undeserving" poor. The "undeserving" would be given assistance and the "deserving" poor would be put in the workhouse, etc. Then maybe we could add in your Victorian capitalist to the picture, the guy with the top hat carrying a diamond-topped walking stick to twirl around, and who has 99.9% of the wealth in the town. This is what you guys seem to be asking for.
2014-01-09 03:13:41 PM  
1 votes:

theknuckler_33: CleanAndPure: Target Builder: CleanAndPure: Lots of rich people are rich because of hard work... others have done little.

Lots of poor people are poor despite lots of hard work... others due to laziness.

Interesting that the rich people who have do little work aren't lazy but the poor people are.

If you have no money and don't work to try and get some to feed your family... you're lazy.

If you alreafy have huge amounts of money and don't work hard... big deal... why waste your life working when you could be sipping pina coladas in Rio at Trader Vics?

/Ah-OOOOOOO!


Only if your hair is perfect.

/DEP
2014-01-09 03:06:58 PM  
1 votes:

CleanAndPure: Target Builder: CleanAndPure: Lots of rich people are rich because of hard work... others have done little.

Lots of poor people are poor despite lots of hard work... others due to laziness.

Interesting that the rich people who have do little work aren't lazy but the poor people are.

If you have no money and don't work to try and get some to feed your family... you're lazy.

If you alreafy have huge amounts of money and don't work hard... big deal... why waste your life working when you could be sipping pina coladas in Rio at Trader Vics?


/Ah-OOOOOOO!
2014-01-09 02:36:27 PM  
1 votes:

mike_d85: I have and lots of them work hard.  Most of them are idiots.  I say that honestly.  They are stupid, stupid people and you can tell them exactly the obvious answer and they will ignore you and do it wrong and worsen their situation or keep it somewhere in the neighborhood of "completely farked".


And?

Look, the dumb will be with you. Always.  It's not like the Scandinavian countries or whatever Asian tiger economy doesn't have plenty of 80-some IQ Joes. Everywhere does.

But, through some degree of economic protectionism, some degree of make-work, some degree of artificial value, a society can choose to trade in a little 'pure economic efficiency' for 'and the Joes do okay too'.  Or, you can say fark 'em all, gate your communities, and sell them meth.  One or the other.
2014-01-09 02:28:05 PM  
1 votes:
TIL every woman in America was a skillful cook in the 60's.

Thanks, feminism.
2014-01-09 02:26:00 PM  
1 votes:

ikanreed: telejester: The overwhelming problem in the U.S. is that the hardest working people are among the poorest.


wtf?  Can you give some examples of such an "overwhelming" problem?

You've never met anyone who's genuinely poor, have you?


I have and lots of them work hard.  Most of them are idiots.  I say that honestly.  They are stupid, stupid people and you can tell them exactly the obvious answer and they will ignore you and do it wrong and worsen their situation or keep it somewhere in the neighborhood of "completely farked".

I say "most" because there are people who got caught in medical bills, layoffs, metal illness, etc. and ended up poor (usually temporarily) and they are not idiots.  However the people who were born poor, stayed poor, and do not show any signs of ever getting out of poverty, are generally morons.
2014-01-09 02:23:03 PM  
1 votes:

telejester: The overwhelming problem in the U.S. is that the hardest working people are among the poorest.


wtf?  Can you give some examples of such an "overwhelming" problem?

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They don't pay their workers overtime, they tell their workers how to apply for food stamps, they discriminate against women...
2014-01-09 02:22:16 PM  
1 votes:

AgentPothead: Much like capitalism only works if you have an informed consumer, but those died out with personal responsibility sometime in the 1980's.


Well you know poverty has been the problem of indolent irresponsible people. Job creators try to help them, but you know what the bible says, job creators only help those that help themselves.
2014-01-09 02:20:46 PM  
1 votes:

JackieRabbit: So the point of the FA is that a single mother raising three kids on $18,000/yr is a good thing. Right?


No, she's saying she needs to get off her ass and cook to make it work.
2014-01-09 02:20:35 PM  
1 votes:

CleanAndPure: ikanreed: The overwhelming problem in the U.S. is that the hardest working people are among the poorest.

How hard you work and what you're paid arnt really too correlated.

Lots of rich people are rich because of hard work... others have done little.

Lots of poor people are poor despite lots of hard work... others due to laziness.


The Poltically Correct term is "motivationally challenged." We can't hurt anyone's feeling by calling them a slacker
2014-01-09 02:19:23 PM  
1 votes:
Much like capitalism only works if you have an informed consumer, but those died out with personal responsibility sometime in the 1980's.
2014-01-09 02:15:20 PM  
1 votes:
If you're so rich, why aren't you smart?
2014-01-09 02:12:13 PM  
1 votes:
And no need for daycare
 
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