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2014-01-09 01:36:17 PM
You're salting up Mac's game!

images.tvrage.com
 
2014-01-09 01:37:02 PM

Fubini: mizchief: All of this "bro" stuff and man-bags, and man-caves and the whole movember crazyness is just the continued pussification of the american male (RIP George) that take all that is manly and degrade it into just cute little quirks men like to do in their special little part of the house.

The home has always been the woman's domain. There was never a time when wives were OK with their husband having a wood shop or arc welder or hunting rifles in the living room.

Homes are primarily for comfort and raising kids. Kids don't mix well with manly high-risk activities.


Sure, but a dude can't hang his 12 point buck trophy over the fireplace? It's seldom about safety, most people aren't that stupid to insist on keeping the blow torch in the kids play room, it's about decorative issues and the patronization of the things men like to do.
 
2014-01-09 01:39:14 PM

KIA: Are you on campus? Then you probably are receiving a heavy dose of socialism, whether you self-identify as bro or something else.

If you are on campus, you're probably also getting the bro beat right out of you.

Here's a tip: it's okay to be a man and to reject ridiculous things.


Not if you go to a Tech university, you know where the grads actually make money afterwards. If I knew my profession was going to leave me broke my entire life I would be a socialist too.
 
2014-01-09 01:41:49 PM
Dafuq did I just read?
 
2014-01-09 01:43:09 PM
This is the united States if Amanica. Broscialists are important for brociety.

We need to guyde the country in the right dude-rection.
 
2014-01-09 01:44:35 PM

Whiskey Dickens: http://mylifeisbro.com/

You're welcome.


i512.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-09 01:45:03 PM

EdgeRunner: mod3072: Well, that's the most retarded made-up word I've seen so far this week. Congratulations.

Oh, you mean a retarmup? They're all the rage with publishers nowadays. I hear the retarmup production department at People Magazine takes up two whole floors.


joeflood: mod3072: Well, that's the most brotarded brode-up word I've seen so far this week. Brogratulations.

There.  I fixed that for you.


I hate you both.
 
2014-01-09 01:45:36 PM

mizchief: yakmans_dad: For some reason or other, opposition to capitalism is assumed  to turn a man into some kind of celibate monk. Is that in response to the fact that capitalists are blood sucking monsters?

If you want to talk about the top 1% wall street CEO types, then sure you can call them monsters whatever.

But the vast majority are small business owners who just want to support their families on their own terms vs. working for someone else. They live in our communities, actually get stuck paying taxes (and end up catching the bill for all the "tax the rich" hysteria)  and are just normal people.


There's also a lot of capitalists who can actually follow history.

If I take a reasonably-pure capitalist society and a socialist society, both equally rich, and come back a century from now, I can absolutely guarantee that the capitalist society is richer.  By an order of magnitude.  I can also almost certainly guarantee that the socialist society got taken over by idiots at some point, who immediately proceeded to murder millions of people in crackdowns and utterly farked-up agricultural policies leading to famine.

/Of course, reasonably pure in practice breaks down as "The bits of socialism that I like" like "good education and infrastructure".
 
2014-01-09 01:46:34 PM

mizchief: Fubini: mizchief: All of this "bro" stuff and man-bags, and man-caves and the whole movember crazyness is just the continued pussification of the american male (RIP George) that take all that is manly and degrade it into just cute little quirks men like to do in their special little part of the house.

The home has always been the woman's domain. There was never a time when wives were OK with their husband having a wood shop or arc welder or hunting rifles in the living room.

Homes are primarily for comfort and raising kids. Kids don't mix well with manly high-risk activities.

Sure, but a dude can't hang his 12 point buck trophy over the fireplace? It's seldom about safety, most people aren't that stupid to insist on keeping the blow torch in the kids play room, it's about decorative issues and the patronization of the things men like to do.


Poor baby, you sound so oppressed!
 
2014-01-09 01:48:46 PM
Remember God gave us Jesus to save us... not Judy.

If he sent his daughter the bible would be full of silly rules about not wearing brown belts with black shoes... not wearing white after Passover...

... and there would still be a shoe store and an ice cream store in the temple.
 
2014-01-09 01:50:21 PM

Whiskey Dickens: http://mylifeisbro.com/

You're welcome.


That's site it pretty chill. I'll prolly read some more while getting dome later.
 
2014-01-09 01:52:49 PM

mizchief: Sure, but a dude can't hang his 12 point buck trophy over the fireplace? It's seldom about safety, most people aren't that stupid to insist on keeping the blow torch in the kids play room, it's about decorative issues and the patronization of the things men like to do.


Women don't want to hang deer heads on the wall because it's tacky, not because they want to oppress men. Taxidermy hasn't been a cool thing for a long time now.

Every single wife I know allows XBoxes and big screen TVs in their living rooms because it makes their men happy. They hate them, they do not play them, and they do not like the idea of their kids growing up playing games and watching TV all day, but they still allow them for the sake of their men. I know a number of wives who do the same thing for pets.

You and I have very different views of what constitutes manliness. A lot of traditionally manly activities, like hunting and processing deer, involves a lot of work that most modern men just aren't in to. A lot of modern manly activities, like playing video games, are completely socially acceptable.
 
2014-01-09 01:58:52 PM

katghoti: So are "Brocialists" for or against Brocolli?  I need to know so I can form an opinion on this matter.



I like broccoli and hotties. Where do I sign up?
 
2014-01-09 01:59:41 PM
Bro me.
 
2014-01-09 02:00:17 PM

CygnusDarius: Also, I'm amazed that the Fark Independents, trolls, and shills are out in force this morning.


Well, all of the out of work liberal progressives(excpect hotwing) haven't gotten up to collect their subsidy checks yet.
 
2014-01-09 02:01:00 PM

Snarfangel: katghoti: So are "Brocialists" for or against Brocolli?  I need to know so I can form an opinion on this matter.


I like broccoli and hotties. Where do I sign up?


Babesandbroccoli.com
 
2014-01-09 02:01:04 PM

Fubini: mizchief: Sure, but a dude can't hang his 12 point buck trophy over the fireplace? It's seldom about safety, most people aren't that stupid to insist on keeping the blow torch in the kids play room, it's about decorative issues and the patronization of the things men like to do.

Women don't want to hang deer heads on the wall because it's tacky, not because they want to oppress men. Taxidermy hasn't been a cool thing for a long time now.

Every single wife I know allows XBoxes and big screen TVs in their living rooms because it makes their men happy. They hate them, they do not play them, and they do not like the idea of their kids growing up playing games and watching TV all day, but they still allow them for the sake of their men. I know a number of wives who do the same thing for pets.

You and I have very different views of what constitutes manliness. A lot of traditionally manly activities, like hunting and processing deer, involves a lot of work that most modern men just aren't in to. A lot of modern manly activities, like playing video games, are completely socially acceptable.


Heh. No wonder I'm not a wife. I'd be having hot jungle sex with my man instead of being OK letting him play kid games on an Xbox.
 
2014-01-09 02:09:57 PM

mizchief: It's seldom about safety, most people aren't that stupid to insist on keeping the blow torch in the kids play room, it's about decorative issues and the patronization of the things men like to do.


I think that patronize means to support something, even if condescendingly.

That would be preferable to the expectation that my desires aren't important, even in a small area of the house.
 
2014-01-09 02:10:13 PM
stop.  just stop.
 
2014-01-09 02:10:49 PM
I would give up video games for my wife having frequent jungle sex with me.
 
2014-01-09 02:22:15 PM

unfarkingbelievable: Heh. No wonder I'm not a wife. I'd be having hot jungle sex with my man instead of being OK letting him play kid games on an Xbox.


Suuuure. Once you get married you'll find out you can have so much sex that your cooter gets sore.

I'm perfectly happy with what I've got.
 
2014-01-09 02:26:52 PM

Fubini: A lot of modern manly activities, like playing video games, are completely socially acceptable.


I see you have never heard of Anita Sarkeesian or her mindless followers. Nothing "manly" is socially acceptable. If it is something that mostly men enjoy, then it is an evil sexist thing forced on everyone by the patriarchy. If it is something that mostly women enjoy, then it is empowering.
 
2014-01-09 02:57:47 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Eskaminagaga: "Brocialists," she explains, are "guys who are so enamored of their own radicalness or progressiveness or whateverness that they are convinced they can do no wrong."

Sounds like the average liberal to me, both man and woman.

Sounds like the average conservative christian to me.


+1
 
2014-01-09 03:08:52 PM
FTFA:

The word owes a debt to the neologism "manarchist" and is a close cousin to "brogressive." "Brocialist" and "brogressive" are both species of the very popular genus "portmanbro," terms that incorporate "bro" to mock a certain dumb-jock swagger. Like most jokes, portmanbros began as larks-"brodown," "bromance"-but can now be a bit more pointedly political.


And these people think that liberal men who ignore women's issues are annoying?
 
2014-01-09 03:22:21 PM

umad: Fubini: A lot of modern manly activities, like playing video games, are completely socially acceptable.

I see you have never heard of Anita Sarkeesian or her mindless followers. Nothing "manly" is socially acceptable. If it is something that mostly men enjoy, then it is an evil sexist thing forced on everyone by the patriarchy. If it is something that mostly women enjoy, then it is empowering.


u mad, b--... well. Umm, I guess so.
 
2014-01-09 03:44:45 PM
lets all welcome our new overlords: The Herban Brofessional.
 
2014-01-09 03:49:38 PM

mizchief: KIA: Are you on campus? Then you probably are receiving a heavy dose of socialism, whether you self-identify as bro or something else.

If you are on campus, you're probably also getting the bro beat right out of you.

Here's a tip: it's okay to be a man and to reject ridiculous things.

Not if you go to a Tech university, you know where the grads actually make money afterwards. If I knew my profession was going to leave me broke my entire life I would be a socialist too.


I studied accounting, and as I recall, the teachers were ultra-right wing Fox-News teabaggers. (The only thing worse than the instructors was the students.)

I didn't take any art classes, so I have no idea if they were socialists or not, but I have to assume that anyone who goes to class barefoot was more likely to vote Clinton.

The only people that I met that were hard left-wing radicals were the science teachers. They had to take powerful medication to counteract the headaches from rolling their eyes every time some student accused them of a "left-wing conspiracy."

Actually, come to think o it, I had an economics professor who was a big fan of Paul Krugman. I am not sure that makes you a Socialist, though. It just makes you seem that way compared to the accounting teachers.
 
2014-01-09 03:53:55 PM

mod3072: EdgeRunner: mod3072: Well, that's the most retarded made-up word I've seen so far this week. Congratulations.

Oh, you mean a retarmup? They're all the rage with publishers nowadays. I hear the retarmup production department at People Magazine takes up two whole floors.

joeflood: mod3072: Well, that's the most brotarded brode-up word I've seen so far this week. Brogratulations.

There.  I fixed that for you.

I hate you bro-th.

 
2014-01-09 04:18:59 PM

meyerkev: mizchief: yakmans_dad: For some reason or other, opposition to capitalism is assumed  to turn a man into some kind of celibate monk. Is that in response to the fact that capitalists are blood sucking monsters?

If you want to talk about the top 1% wall street CEO types, then sure you can call them monsters whatever.

But the vast majority are small business owners who just want to support their families on their own terms vs. working for someone else. They live in our communities, actually get stuck paying taxes (and end up catching the bill for all the "tax the rich" hysteria)  and are just normal people.

There's also a lot of capitalists who can actually follow history.

If I take a reasonably-pure capitalist society and a socialist society, both equally rich, and come back a century from now, I can absolutely guarantee that the capitalist society is richer.  By an order of magnitude.  I can also almost certainly guarantee that the socialist society got taken over by idiots at some point, who immediately proceeded to murder millions of people in crackdowns and utterly farked-up agricultural policies leading to famine.

/Of course, reasonably pure in practice breaks down as "The bits of socialism that I like" like "good education and infrastructure".


Ah, no true Scotsman

There's no one thing as "Capitalism". For one person, it's private property. For someone else, it's contracts. A little of this.  A little of that.  Quality of life varies from society to society.
 
2014-01-09 04:32:29 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Aww aren't those little college students so precious. They think their concerns and "ideas" are important and are going to change the world.

Of course then they get out of school with their Journalism, English, Womyns Studies, Theater, etc... degrees and find out that the world just does not give a shiat about how liberal or conservative they are. Suck it up you precious snowflakes and learn to make money, the only way you will ever get power is to become rich.


It's cute how angry and frustrated this makes you.
 
2014-01-09 04:36:34 PM

Fubini: This is a word for people whose heads explode when you defy their labels. Clearly the solution is another label to define you as.

I'm all for a lot of liberal/progressive policies, but I can't ever see myself being a crusader for women's rights or women's issues. I work in a field where women are so under represented that the ones we do have are treated like queens, regardless of whether they do a good job or not. I get enough of that entitlement at the office.


Newsflash: treating women "like queens" is part of the problem, not evidence of entitlement.
 
2014-01-09 04:46:17 PM

mod3072: Well, that's the most retarded made-up word I've seen so far this week. Congratulations.


starsrift: No. This does not need to be a thing.


The word itself is stupid and annoying, I agree.

But it would be useful to have a word that means something like "man who is otherwise liberal/progressive but not a supporter of feminism," if for no other reason than that so many exist.  I just wish someone would come up with a less puerile term.
 
2014-01-09 04:47:22 PM
FTA - " .. The "brocialist" is generally a good leftist .."

Stop right there. Article is already lying. There is no such thing as a 'good' Leftist. They're all mental cases who need to be sterilized. You know, Margaret Sanger style ..
 
2014-01-09 05:31:16 PM

fmk040: Dafuq did I just read?


dafuq did i just read x2
 
2014-01-09 06:08:24 PM

yakmans_dad: StoPPeRmobile: mod3072: Well, that's the most retarded made-up word I've seen so far this week. Congratulations.

Can you name a word that isn't made up?

Ow!

Occurs in nature.


So your the guy that did those graphics on the Batman TV show.

/pow
//biff
 
2014-01-09 06:12:31 PM

hasty ambush: a good leftist


other mythological creatures:


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Speaking of mythical creatures.... "funny feminists".
 
2014-01-09 06:23:21 PM

Ontos: hasty ambush: a good leftist


other mythological creatures:


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Speaking of mythical creatures.... "funny feminists".



THAT'S NOT F--!

um... FINNISH! THAT'S NOT FINNISH! Probably Danish. Or maybe the Swedes...

*mumble mumble*
 
2014-01-09 06:23:38 PM

ciberido: mod3072: Well, that's the most retarded made-up word I've seen so far this week. Congratulations.

starsrift: No. This does not need to be a thing.

The word itself is stupid and annoying, I agree.

But it would be useful to have a word that means something like "man who is otherwise liberal/progressive but not a supporter of feminism," if for no other reason than that so many exist.  I just wish someone would come up with a less puerile term.


If you treat a woman the way she asks to be treated you get to be her friend, if you treat her like a dirty whore,you get to be her lover.
 
2014-01-09 06:29:26 PM
So, an oblique way for the Jezebel set to say, "stop talking about class inequality and injustice when we SHOULD be talking about sexism.  Hold your tongue while I speak, phallist."

The unchecked power of the (now-unisex) Power Elite or the use of Trigger Words: which is more likely to tank civilization?  Discuss.
 
2014-01-09 06:44:42 PM

mizchief: I think it's the opposite problem. As women have gained more political power we have been slowly transitioning into a more socialist country. Women being more compassionate and less competitive, and have a higher desire for stability vs. risk & reward would naturally be drawn to socialist ideas. And men wanting to gain the affections of those women just agree and claim try to gain power in those movements since they thing it will attract more women.

All of this "bro" stuff and man-bags, and man-caves and the whole movember crazyness is just the continued pussification of the american male (RIP George) that take all that is manly and degrade it into just cute little quirks men like to do in their special little part of the house.


The first part of your argument assumes that women will continue to be at greater risk than men, and thus have greater need than men of a safety network.

But as women eclipse men in employment across the salary range, and take over more C-level and senior political spots, is it not possible that they will be corrupted by greater access to more money and power, and leave ideals of social justice and harmony behind with the sammich-making?

I think we're already seeing affluent women take the Kristol/Podhoretz path of the aging Leftists-turned-Neocons: specializing in the causes of the Rich.  I think this trend will become more marked, as the wealthy few women turn their backs on the many poor.
 
2014-01-09 07:09:37 PM
FTA:
"Misogyny within the left has historically inspired women's rights movements," feminist intellectual Susan Faludi told me.

I'm a big fan of her, and her books - Backlash is a must read in social sciences at large.

That said, this is one of the most retarded things I've ever heard. Misogyny within the left is what does it? Come on. Women's Suffrage came from not being able to vote, not snide micro-aggressions from.... sigh, may as well embrace the derp, "brogressives". I feel dirty...

Anyway, Women's Rights Movements generally form, and stop if this seems obvious, when women's right - or lack there of - are at issue. Women have tried to get the vote in every country that won't let them. Some at different times, depending on the country, but it's something that happened. Criminalizing domestic violence, wanting equal pay, these are things that foment and catalyze women's rights movements... all rights movements... amongst all people, because there is injustice going on.

It's probably just one line out of context, but come on. Saying stuff like that is bad for the discourse in general. Also, and this was in person - at a bar - if you want to see if you're talking a sexist feminist (or MRA) it's easy - try this.

Q: How much should a working woman make?
If the answer is "As much as a man." They are sexist. If it's "more than men" just leave the conversation, because that person is crazy.

Proper answers from anyone with a soul should be something along the lines of "A living wage." or "Enough to get by." That sets a baseline for an actually egalitarian conversation and mode of thinking. Anything else, in my opinion, is suspect. Why? Because if you think the genitalia of a human being should preclude them from having access to or the means to acquire food, shelter, and the basic necessities of life you are a BAD PERSON. End sentence. Full stop.

The political discourse on this topic is so utterly poisoned, in such disrepair, that people who are really trying to agree on subjects can't surmount it in person, let alone the always polarizing internet.

Very sad state of affairs.

/my thoughts.
 
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