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2014-01-09 06:31:57 PM  
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2014-01-09 06:34:58 PM  
Lots on here about the parents getting $bazillions off a  law suit.  Can a CA farker confirm that California law caps malpractice awards at $250,000?  If that's the case, I'm thinking that the girl's stay in the new facility will suck that up in a month or so.
 
2014-01-09 06:36:37 PM  

walktoanarcade: derpy: Also, fark the new secret hospital that is playing along with this charade.

You mean the family's basement and or darkened laundry room?


LOL - rumor (I have found no proof or citation) is that they've actually taken her to the family home because no reputable medical facility will take her.  Gotta be fun for her siblings...

"Quit poking your dead sister with a stick - she's gonna leak again!"
 
2014-01-09 06:37:52 PM  

Rodeodoc: Lots on here about the parents getting $bazillions off a  law suit.  Can a CA farker confirm that California law caps malpractice awards at $250,000?  If that's the case, I'm thinking that the girl's stay in the new facility will suck that up in a month or so.


That's what's actually at the crux of this whole thing: it's capped at $250k for a dead patient; but not for a patient who is still "alive" - enter the scummy attorney.....
 
2014-01-09 06:39:21 PM  

Lachwen: I had a friend back in high school who was hit by a car.  After a day and a half they determined that there was blood actively flowing to less than a third of his brain.  His parents - god, his poor parents - had a long talk with the doctors about not only what his chances of survival were, but what, exactly, constituted "survival" in his case.  And at the end of that talk, they said their goodbyes, ordered the cessation of life support, and signed the papers to donate his organs.

Years later, I heard them explain their reasoning: that even though there was a chance that he would ultimately remain physically (and legally) alive, the damage to his brain was so extensive that the bright, ephemeral thing that made Charles  Charles was already gone.  Their son was not defined by his body, but by his sense of humor, his kindness, his curiosity, his dedication and honesty.  The body could have lived on, but the essence of their son was dead.

He was their only child.

/talking about Charles always kicks up the dust


Geez, you could've been talking about my sister. Same. Exact. Thing.

Every time the doctor came back in the waiting room, the prognosis got worse. "She could recover, but she'll need lots of physical therapy." "She could recover, but she'll need a lot of help doing things like eating and speaking." "We don't think she'll recover and suggest taking her off life support."

Fark, why did I read this damned thread?
 
2014-01-09 06:39:54 PM  

Girl On Couch: walktoanarcade: derpy: Also, fark the new secret hospital that is playing along with this charade.

You mean the family's basement and or darkened laundry room?

LOL - rumor (I have found no proof or citation) is that they've actually taken her to the family home because no reputable medical facility will take her.  Gotta be fun for her siblings...

"Quit poking your dead sister with a stick - she's gonna leak again!"


I should not have laughed at that

/which means I did
 
2014-01-09 06:44:39 PM  

styckx: Oh dear lord... So this really has turned into some weird ghetto hospice situation.


What I'm wondering is where they even found a qualified doctor who would agree to operate on the corpse, and insert breathing/feeding tubes.  Besides it being medically retarded, when she actually "die dies" the parasite family will probably sue this doctor and facility too.
Also where does this doctor get the medical equipment to do these procedures?  From what I understand the facility does not have them, as they dont normally deal with this
 
2014-01-09 06:44:43 PM  
and when she does die from being removed from support, expect the conservatives to come in all "SEE DEAHT PANLES!11!!"
 
2014-01-09 06:48:46 PM  

lennavan: Lachwen: the bright, ephemeral thing that made Charles Charles was already gone. Their son was not defined by his body, but by his sense of humor, his kindness, his curiosity, his dedication and honesty. The body could have lived on, but the essence of their son was dead.

Lachwen: /talking about Charles always kicks up the dust

A lot of dust apparently because some of it got over here.


Dang, it's a very dusty day.
 
2014-01-09 06:58:45 PM  

Rodeodoc: Lots on here about the parents getting $bazillions off a  law suit.  Can a CA farker confirm that California law caps malpractice awards at $250,000?  If that's the case, I'm thinking that the girl's stay in the new facility will suck that up in a month or so.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_Injury_Compensation_Reform_Act

The $250k is for non-economic damages.

The family's attorney, Christopher Dolan, is active in efforts to change MICRA, arguing that the $250k cap is unconstitutional.

http://www.protectconsumerjustice.org/how-the-micra-cap-violates-cal if ornians-rights-to-equal-protection-jury-trial-and-due-process.html

The emotional outcry and publicity this case is generating is a plus for his cause.
 
2014-01-09 07:00:54 PM  
If you read the Dr's report of her before she left the hospital it's pretty nasty. Seems she passed some rotting intestinal lining out of her rectum. Her skin is starting to rot underneath. And her brain is liquifying from lack of autonomic functions because her brain stem no longer works. Eventually her lungs will rot and the machine won't even help.her heart beat. So yep, she's dead alright.
 
2014-01-09 07:04:19 PM  

namegoeshere: Bunny Deville: walktoanarcade:
Dear God...

Some people really are a river in Egypt. Maybe it's time for nurses like your step-mom to let people know before that stage it could come to that gruesome end, although how to broach it, search me.

Oh, she tried. Believe you me, she tried. At this stage the body has already lost a couple of digits due to lack of blood flow. People, especially uneducated people, just will not listen sometimes. It's awful. No matter how much you reason with people, if the heart is still beating, they believe that the loved one will just wake up one day and be fine. When the tongue thing happened, that's when my stepmom stopped trying to be nice to this family and let them know that they weren't doing anyone any favors by their denial.

Only on Fark could I ask this question: Did they just sort of... fall off? Or were they surgically removed because of rot?


Well, they weren't surgically removed.
 
2014-01-09 07:05:08 PM  

Dallymo: Rodeodoc: Lots on here about the parents getting $bazillions off a  law suit.  Can a CA farker confirm that California law caps malpractice awards at $250,000?  If that's the case, I'm thinking that the girl's stay in the new facility will suck that up in a month or so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_Injury_Compensation_Reform_Act

The $250k is for non-economic damages.

The family's attorney, Christopher Dolan, is active in efforts to change MICRA, arguing that the $250k cap is unconstitutional.

http://www.protectconsumerjustice.org/how-the-micra-cap-violates-cal if ornians-rights-to-equal-protection-jury-trial-and-due-process.html

The emotional outcry and publicity this case is generating is a plus for his cause.



Of course he wants the cap removed; he's an ambulance chasing personal-injury lawyer

And that's not exaggeration, he specifically targets injury cases in his TV ads.
 
2014-01-09 07:08:20 PM  

nipner: styckx: Oh dear lord... So this really has turned into some weird ghetto hospice situation.

What I'm wondering is where they even found a qualified doctor who would agree to operate on the corpse, and insert breathing/feeding tubes.  Besides it being medically retarded, when she actually "die dies" the parasite family will probably sue this doctor and facility too.
Also where does this doctor get the medical equipment to do these procedures?  From what I understand the facility does not have them, as they dont normally deal with this


That's what I want to know.. Even if she's living in a basement.. Who the fark did the feeding and breathing tube procedure? This isn't shiat you just run down to CVS and pick up a DIY dead girl feeding kit.  Someone, presumably with a license decided to cash that paycheck and perform it.
 
2014-01-09 07:10:03 PM  

Bunny Deville: namegoeshere: Bunny Deville: walktoanarcade:
Dear God...

Some people really are a river in Egypt. Maybe it's time for nurses like your step-mom to let people know before that stage it could come to that gruesome end, although how to broach it, search me.

Oh, she tried. Believe you me, she tried. At this stage the body has already lost a couple of digits due to lack of blood flow. People, especially uneducated people, just will not listen sometimes. It's awful. No matter how much you reason with people, if the heart is still beating, they believe that the loved one will just wake up one day and be fine. When the tongue thing happened, that's when my stepmom stopped trying to be nice to this family and let them know that they weren't doing anyone any favors by their denial.

Only on Fark could I ask this question: Did they just sort of... fall off? Or were they surgically removed because of rot?

Well, they weren't surgically removed.


*hork*

There's denial, and there's overlooking digits falling off denial.
 
2014-01-09 07:16:18 PM  
Oh, can someone get the mods to not close threads too early? I know it's cute when a thread gets to 69, but someone asked something that I know the answer to and have a link that can shed some light onto the subject of missing Star Wars footage.  (Boba Fett thread)
 
2014-01-09 07:18:12 PM  
You'll never lose money exploiting the religious, gambling-addicted, or grief-stricken.

/not a complete list
 
2014-01-09 07:20:50 PM  
If no one has posted this already, interesting blog from a trauma surgeon who has weighed in on the situation.  Interesting but definitely not safe for lunch medical stuff (text only, no NSFL/W pics or anything)

http://docbastard.blogspot.com/
 
2014-01-09 07:35:31 PM  

RoyFokker'sGhost: Dallymo: Rodeodoc: Lots on here about the parents getting $bazillions off a  law suit.  Can a CA farker confirm that California law caps malpractice awards at $250,000?  If that's the case, I'm thinking that the girl's stay in the new facility will suck that up in a month or so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_Injury_Compensation_Reform_Act

The $250k is for non-economic damages.

The family's attorney, Christopher Dolan, is active in efforts to change MICRA, arguing that the $250k cap is unconstitutional.

http://www.protectconsumerjustice.org/how-the-micra-cap-violates-cal if ornians-rights-to-equal-protection-jury-trial-and-due-process.html

The emotional outcry and publicity this case is generating is a plus for his cause.


Of course he wants the cap removed; he's an ambulance chasing personal-injury lawyer

And that's not exaggeration, he specifically targets injury cases in his TV ads.


Yes--I think there's an idea, especially among some who are on the side of keeping the child on the vent "because she might wake up," that Dolan is purely a white knight for the girl and her family.  The uncle posted on Instagram:

I will be forever grateful for this man. He took my call in the middle of the night and listened to everything I had to say and decided to help me for FREE!!! There are not many lawyers in the world that would take a case where there is no money involved, but this man has a huge heart and I will always love him for what he has done for my family. I hear people questioning his ethics and it is ridiculous. This man did what no other lawyer would and I can't thank him enough. Christopher B. Dolan you are my brother & my friend. Welcome to the family, but you were already family when agreed to help me that night
 http://instagram.com/p/i9d1kUopsg/#


He may not be receiving a fee from the family, but it's hard to believe that he'd take this case if it didn't advance his cause against MICRA in general, "huge heart" or no.
 
2014-01-09 07:39:36 PM  
It's only a wafer thin feeding tube.
 
2014-01-09 07:39:42 PM  

Dallymo: RoyFokker'sGhost: Dallymo: Rodeodoc: Lots on here about the parents getting $bazillions off a  law suit.  Can a CA farker confirm that California law caps malpractice awards at $250,000?  If that's the case, I'm thinking that the girl's stay in the new facility will suck that up in a month or so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_Injury_Compensation_Reform_Act

The $250k is for non-economic damages.

The family's attorney, Christopher Dolan, is active in efforts to change MICRA, arguing that the $250k cap is unconstitutional.

http://www.protectconsumerjustice.org/how-the-micra-cap-violates-cal if ornians-rights-to-equal-protection-jury-trial-and-due-process.html

The emotional outcry and publicity this case is generating is a plus for his cause.


Of course he wants the cap removed; he's an ambulance chasing personal-injury lawyer

And that's not exaggeration, he specifically targets injury cases in his TV ads.

Yes--I think there's an idea, especially among some who are on the side of keeping the child on the vent "because she might wake up," that Dolan is purely a white knight for the girl and her family.  The uncle posted on Instagram:

I will be forever grateful for this man. He took my call in the middle of the night and listened to everything I had to say and decided to help me for FREE!!! There are not many lawyers in the world that would take a case where there is no money involved, but this man has a huge heart and I will always love him for what he has done for my family. I hear people questioning his ethics and it is ridiculous. This man did what no other lawyer would and I can't thank him enough. Christopher B. Dolan you are my brother & my friend. Welcome to the family, but you were already family when agreed to help me that night
 http://instagram.com/p/i9d1kUopsg/#


He may not be receiving a fee from the family, but it's hard to believe that he'd take this case if it didn't advance his cause against MICRA in general, "huge heart" or no.


DAFUQ IS THAT?

i.imgur.com

That doesn't strike me as a grieving father and deeply concerned lawyer.. That's the kind of shot two homies take with each other.
 
2014-01-09 07:41:04 PM  
Her heart and lungs are "functioning," but she still needs a ventilator? Farking morons. Taxpayers better not be funding this.
 
2014-01-09 07:45:08 PM  

styckx: That doesn't strike me as a grieving father and deeply concerned lawyer.. That's the kind of shot two homies take with each other.


Uncle; he took the lead in making appearances on behalf of the family.  Quite outspoken.
 
2014-01-09 07:46:06 PM  

Dallymo: styckx: That doesn't strike me as a grieving father and deeply concerned lawyer.. That's the kind of shot two homies take with each other.

Uncle; he took the lead in making appearances on behalf of the family.  Quite outspoken.


Jesus christ.. The layers are derp I keep finding out just get thicker..  I'm trying my hardest not to hate the family and realize they are dealing with a dead daughter but they're not helping at all.
 
2014-01-09 07:47:26 PM  

Loaded Six String: It's only a wafer thin feeding tube.


Snert.....nice.
 
2014-01-09 07:48:48 PM  

Loaded Six String: It's only a wafer thin feeding tube.


Heh, and they will need a bucket or three.
 
2014-01-09 07:48:54 PM  

Girl On Couch: ok - I have actually been following this (happening in my neck of the woods) and a couple of things:

1. this was NOT a "routine operation" - as Dallymo said, she had an adenotonsillectomy, uvulopalatopharyngoplasty and submucous resection of bilateral inferior turbinates to deal with her sleep apnea (the family has never said why they didn't try to treat this with weight loss or other non-surgical procedures, like the use of a CPAP mask - an aggressive operation like this on a child is usually the last resort)

2. The family has been told repeatedly by 6 different doctors that she is brain dead (and that one does not "recover" from brain death)

3. The family's lawyer has repeatedly lied about the existence of facilities willing to accept and care for a corpse - the last one he claimed to express interest was out of NY run by a former beautician who claims this corpse just needs time to heal.

4. Post op - this family was in the room encouraging the girl to speak, eat and drink (specifically forbidden by the doctors as it might rupture her delicate stitches); additionally the grandmother admits suctioning blood out of the girl's mouth in post op but claimed it was ok - she knew what she was doing because she's a nurse (she's an LVN and has repeatedly exaggerated her licensing and training in the local media)

5. The family created a go fund me page for transport and treatment of this corpse (last I read they had over $50k in donations)

6. At least one doctor has testified that due to the brain inactivity (both brain and brain stem) the corpse is no longer regulating food, etc. (no reason it needs a feeding tube) and that the inside of the bowels are starting to slough off through stools.

Bottom line - this family is beyond grieving - they are parasitic scum who want to raise money for "the care" of their dead kid - they are playing on right to lifer's ignorance.  I just wonder how long they'll keep this charade up as the corpse is already starting to decay (under the skin and in the vital organs) and should be smelling funny soon. And really, you can buy a lot of neat stuff with $50k...

I know I went a little overboard but the news media just isn't reporting this properly (sorry)


Bookmark for your comment just in case somebody wants to argue with me and call me a callous douchebag for saying that they should pull the plug. Thanks.
 
2014-01-09 07:49:03 PM  

baufan2005: If you read the Dr's report of her before she left the hospital it's pretty nasty. Seems she passed some rotting intestinal lining out of her rectum. Her skin is starting to rot underneath. And her brain is liquifying from lack of autonomic functions because her brain stem no longer works. Eventually her lungs will rot and the machine won't even help.her heart beat. So yep, she's dead alright.


I wonder how long it will be before the parents or their lawyer start claiming that the girl "died" because the original hospital didn't want to keep her hooked up to machines after brain death.
 
2014-01-09 07:55:04 PM  

styckx: Dallymo: RoyFokker'sGhost: Dallymo: Rodeodoc: Lots on here about the parents getting $bazillions off a  law suit.  Can a CA farker confirm that California law caps malpractice awards at $250,000?  If that's the case, I'm thinking that the girl's stay in the new facility will suck that up in a month or so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_Injury_Compensation_Reform_Act

The $250k is for non-economic damages.

The family's attorney, Christopher Dolan, is active in efforts to change MICRA, arguing that the $250k cap is unconstitutional.

http://www.protectconsumerjustice.org/how-the-micra-cap-violates-cal if ornians-rights-to-equal-protection-jury-trial-and-due-process.html

The emotional outcry and publicity this case is generating is a plus for his cause.


Of course he wants the cap removed; he's an ambulance chasing personal-injury lawyer

And that's not exaggeration, he specifically targets injury cases in his TV ads.

Yes--I think there's an idea, especially among some who are on the side of keeping the child on the vent "because she might wake up," that Dolan is purely a white knight for the girl and her family.  The uncle posted on Instagram:

I will be forever grateful for this man. He took my call in the middle of the night and listened to everything I had to say and decided to help me for FREE!!! There are not many lawyers in the world that would take a case where there is no money involved, but this man has a huge heart and I will always love him for what he has done for my family. I hear people questioning his ethics and it is ridiculous. This man did what no other lawyer would and I can't thank him enough. Christopher B. Dolan you are my brother & my friend. Welcome to the family, but you were already family when agreed to help me that night
 http://instagram.com/p/i9d1kUopsg/#


He may not be receiving a fee from the family, but it's hard to believe that he'd take this case if it didn't advance his cause against MICRA in general, "huge heart" or no. ...



Say what you want about Bill Pullman, but his leadership helped repel the alien menace in '96.

"Today!...Is our Inde-Payday!"
 
2014-01-09 08:01:44 PM  
So I discussed this with the husband, and he had a more sinister take on this case.

If the family DID feed Jahi, and if the grandmother DID suction her when she bled, then they could be held accountable for this if the hospital has proof... and if Jahi is, in fact, dead... well, it's in their best interests to keep that heart beating as long as humanly possible.

If we do have souls, I hope hers is free.
 
2014-01-09 08:02:02 PM  

Daedalus27: nekom: Just an awful situation.  No winners here.


Actually there may be winners if the family would face reality and let her go.  There have to be dozens of sick children who could use her perfectly good organs and tissues out there who could benefit if they would accept she can't come back and give consent to donate her organs.  That way their daughter could live on in some capacity or at least more so than having a machine work her remains for a few weeks or months until infection or something else finally destroys her lungs and heart.  I know it is tough, but her family is spitting in the faces of those families who actually have a chance of saving their children from something curable.  I just hope that Jahi's family changes their mind before its too late to have some benefit (assuming we haven't already reached that point that the organs have degraded to such an extent as to be non-viable).


I agree with this. The whole situation is f*cked up. I can understand the parents' grief but they really need to face reality. Who would want their child kept alive with no functioning brain? If she were to be the recipient of a MIRACLE she will be hopelessly challenged her entire life. Love=quality of life?
I wouldn't put my kids in that position but I'm also not there in the mix.
 
2014-01-09 08:05:48 PM  
Maybe with a transplant she could recover..

static.seekingalpha.com
 
2014-01-09 08:05:51 PM  

Bunny Deville: So I discussed this with the husband, and he had a more sinister take on this case.

If the family DID feed Jahi, and if the grandmother DID suction her when she bled, then they could be held accountable for this if the hospital has proof... and if Jahi is, in fact, dead... well, it's in their best interests to keep that heart beating as long as humanly possible.

If we do have souls, I hope hers is free.


She's got a death certificate. If they were to be held liable, it could legally happen at any time...right?

I don't pretend to know.
 
2014-01-09 08:09:06 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: More recently, they cared for my great-aunt, who had bad alzheimer's. Eventually, they had to put her in a convalescent home because they couldn't care for her on their own. That gave them almost three years of insight into what goes on in places like that. They still visit and bring flowers occasionally, even though my great aunt died almost 15 years ago. But they decided that if they were ever in a situation where they might be reduced to a mere shell of their former selves (more than just the ravages of time, mind you), that they'd rather go with dignity than attempt an expensive procedure that, at best, would greatly reduce their quality of life.

They are in their mid-80's and in very good shape for their age. But they feel that they've led good lives and don't want to spend the last bits of it hooked up to machines or completely bed-ridden if some medical procedure can only bring them part-way back to health. I am also their only surviving child, and I think they really don't want to be a burden on me.


I think my mother had a good standard--do what you can so long as the result is a reasonable chance she's going home.  If she's not going home don't try.
 
2014-01-09 08:14:05 PM  

walktoanarcade: Bunny Deville:

Oh, she tried. Believe you me, she tried. At this stage the body has already lost a couple of digits due to lack of blood flow. People, especially uneducated people, just will not listen sometimes. It's awful. No matter how much you reason with people, if the heart is still beating, they believe that the loved one will just wake up one day and be fine. When the tongue thing happened, that's when my stepmom stopped trying to be nice to this family and let them know that they weren't doing anyone any favors by their denial.

Sounds like damned if you do, damned if you don't.

The family in question keeps bad-mouthing Children's Hospital as if they're boogeymen who ghoulishly wished to "pull the plug" on their "viable" daughter when in fact they are the ghouls. I realize it's impolite, but why didn't a doctor yell at their attorney that she's never, ever waking up because it's literally impossible for a dead brain to be self-aware.   And if such took place....how can we have come to this result?  Too weird.


The hospital director did.  They played excerpts on the radio here where he was yelling at the lawyer that he was misleading the public and misleading the family.  Only in America can a lawyer overrule 3 doctors over whether or not a person is dead.
 
2014-01-09 08:14:44 PM  

Bunny Deville: So I discussed this with the husband, and he had a more sinister take on this case.

If the family DID feed Jahi, and if the grandmother DID suction her when she bled, then they could be held accountable for this if the hospital has proof... and if Jahi is, in fact, dead... well, it's in their best interests to keep that heart beating as long as humanly possible.

If we do have souls, I hope hers is free.


Nah.. 6 doctors said she's dead already..  Heart beating or not.. As far as legality goes she's the same now wherever she's at as if she was 6ft deep in a cemetery.

Dead is dead... Her heart stopping changes nothing as far as legalities go.
 
2014-01-09 08:20:52 PM  

Karmic: walktoanarcade: Bunny Deville:

Oh, she tried. Believe you me, she tried. At this stage the body has already lost a couple of digits due to lack of blood flow. People, especially uneducated people, just will not listen sometimes. It's awful. No matter how much you reason with people, if the heart is still beating, they believe that the loved one will just wake up one day and be fine. When the tongue thing happened, that's when my stepmom stopped trying to be nice to this family and let them know that they weren't doing anyone any favors by their denial.

Sounds like damned if you do, damned if you don't.

The family in question keeps bad-mouthing Children's Hospital as if they're boogeymen who ghoulishly wished to "pull the plug" on their "viable" daughter when in fact they are the ghouls. I realize it's impolite, but why didn't a doctor yell at their attorney that she's never, ever waking up because it's literally impossible for a dead brain to be self-aware.   And if such took place....how can we have come to this result?  Too weird.

The hospital director did.  They played excerpts on the radio here where he was yelling at the lawyer that he was misleading the public and misleading the family.  Only in America can a lawyer overrule 3 doctors over whether or not a person is dead.


Got a link? I'd love to hear some.

Psst, hey, do you know why lawyers don't go to the beach?


The cats keep burying them.
 
2014-01-09 08:23:01 PM  
Both Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachman have survived brain death. There is hope.
 
2014-01-09 08:27:58 PM  

walktoanarcade: Bunny Deville: So I discussed this with the husband, and he had a more sinister take on this case.

If the family DID feed Jahi, and if the grandmother DID suction her when she bled, then they could be held accountable for this if the hospital has proof... and if Jahi is, in fact, dead... well, it's in their best interests to keep that heart beating as long as humanly possible.

If we do have souls, I hope hers is free.

She's got a death certificate. If they were to be held liable, it could legally happen at any time...right?

I don't pretend to know.


Delaying "death" (quotes because she's dead) and therefore the autopsy, would be in their benefit in that case. For example, there is no longer evidence of solid food in her digestive tract as there would have been if she had "died" (cessation of organ activity) right then and there. If this story of them feeding her is true, of course.

I try to not be a completely cynical person, but this occurred to me as well. Although it is also a rebuttal to the theory that the hospital wants to "kill" her all the way to hide their medical mistake. If her death was because of mistake or intentional stupidity, then the longer the autopsy is delayed, the harder it will be to prove. The hospital would benefit from keeping the corpse warm.
 
2014-01-09 08:28:05 PM  

Loren: Mitch Taylor's Bro: More recently, they cared for my great-aunt, who had bad alzheimer's. Eventually, they had to put her in a convalescent home because they couldn't care for her on their own. That gave them almost three years of insight into what goes on in places like that. They still visit and bring flowers occasionally, even though my great aunt died almost 15 years ago. But they decided that if they were ever in a situation where they might be reduced to a mere shell of their former selves (more than just the ravages of time, mind you), that they'd rather go with dignity than attempt an expensive procedure that, at best, would greatly reduce their quality of life.

They are in their mid-80's and in very good shape for their age. But they feel that they've led good lives and don't want to spend the last bits of it hooked up to machines or completely bed-ridden if some medical procedure can only bring them part-way back to health. I am also their only surviving child, and I think they really don't want to be a burden on me.

I think my mother had a good standard--do what you can so long as the result is a reasonable chance she's going home.  If she's not going home don't try.


Unfortunately, the legal and health care systems don't work that way. Health care professionals are required to do their best to resuscitate you UNLESS you have a DNR order on file.
 
2014-01-09 08:31:48 PM  
 
2014-01-09 08:37:28 PM  
Look, the parent killed their kid being bad parents.  You think they're going to change now?
 
2014-01-09 08:41:44 PM  

namegoeshere: walktoanarcade: Bunny Deville: So I discussed this with the husband, and he had a more sinister take on this case.

If the family DID feed Jahi, and if the grandmother DID suction her when she bled, then they could be held accountable for this if the hospital has proof... and if Jahi is, in fact, dead... well, it's in their best interests to keep that heart beating as long as humanly possible.

If we do have souls, I hope hers is free.

She's got a death certificate. If they were to be held liable, it could legally happen at any time...right?

I don't pretend to know.

Delaying "death" (quotes because she's dead) and therefore the autopsy, would be in their benefit in that case. For example, there is no longer evidence of solid food in her digestive tract as there would have been if she had "died" (cessation of organ activity) right then and there. If this story of them feeding her is true, of course.

I try to not be a completely cynical person, but this occurred to me as well. Although it is also a rebuttal to the theory that the hospital wants to "kill" her all the way to hide their medical mistake. If her death was because of mistake or intentional stupidity, then the longer the autopsy is delayed, the harder it will be to prove. The hospital would benefit from keeping the corpse warm.


I grasp that argument, but I feel that as a death certificate was issued, legally she's been as cold as ice for a month. Also, it seems the hospital has done an adequate job holding their tongues because they're in the legal right and the only way they could lose money is if the family...hey son of a biatch..waitasec

Those evil farks. ...the only way they could lose if is they lacked the funds to sue for other BS until finally the hospital cries false uncle and pays them off to make them go away.  Is that their game?

Maybe being cynical in this case is correct.  Please let this not be the case.
 
2014-01-09 08:47:02 PM  

thatboyoverthere: Also fark the hospital. "We accidentally killed your daughter so we're going to pull the plug on her LOL!"
/I feel for the family. Personally I would pull the plug but it's up to them.
//My mother says they would have pulled the plug eventually but the hospital decided now. So the family is never going to pull the plug just out of sheer defiance.
/// Also fark the hospital.


Witnesses in the PICU said that this family were absolute beasts before she had complications.
BTW, you dont just end up in the PICU if you are low risk...just saying.
They came in many (The number used was 14) at a time even though it was suppose to be 1 visitor per PICU patient. The nurses ended up trying to wrangle that mess.
They mother and grandmother were feeding her bigmac's even though you are not suppose to eat anything.
When she started bleeding a little the mother, grandmother, stepfather and the girl herself were suctioning her throat causing further bleeding and removing more of the scabs/clots/sutures.
It was after them doing these things that the bleeding really went crazy and out of control. It was described as "waterfall like" by one witness.
Do a search for the eye witnesses...many of them have stopped talking about it for legal reasons.
Not saying the hospital is does not share a blame, but the family IMO is the primary cause of this poor girls death.

Girl On Couch: ok - I have actually been following this (happening in my neck of the woods) and a couple of things:

1. this was NOT a "routine operation" - as Dallymo said, she had an adenotonsillectomy, uvulopalatopharyngoplasty and submucous resection of bilateral inferior turbinates to deal with her sleep apnea (the family has never said why they didn't try to treat this with weight loss or other non-surgical procedures, like the use of a CPAP mask - an aggressive operation like this on a child is usually the last resort)

2. The family has been told repeatedly by 6 different doctors that she is brain dead (and that one does not "recover" from brain death)

3. The family's lawyer has repeatedly lied about the existence of facilities willing to accept and care for a corpse - the last one he claimed to express interest was out of NY run by a former beautician who claims this corpse just needs time to heal.

4. Post op - this family was in the room encouraging the girl to speak, eat and drink (specifically forbidden by the doctors as it might rupture her delicate stitches); additionally the grandmother admits suctioning blood out of the girl's mouth in post op but claimed it was ok - she knew what she was doing because she's a nurse (she's an LVN and has repeatedly exaggerated her licensing and training in the local media)

5. The family created a go fund me page for transport and treatment of this corpse (last I read they had over $50k in donations)

6. At least one doctor has testified that due to the brain inactivity (both brain and brain stem) the corpse is no longer regulating food, etc. (no reason it needs a feeding tube) and that the inside of the bowels are starting to slough off through stools.

Bottom line - this family is beyond grieving - they are parasitic scum who want to raise money for "the care" of their dead kid - they are playing on right to lifer's ignorance.  I just wonder how long they'll keep this charade up as the corpse is already starting to decay (under ...


I have been following this closely too...its like a wreck...I just cant turn away.
Here is the supplemental court document discussing her decomposition.
http://media.nbcbayarea.com/documents/HeidiFlori.pdf
 
2014-01-09 08:50:05 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Daedalus27: Actually there may be winners if the family would face reality and let her go. There have to be dozens of sick children who could use her perfectly good organs and tissues out there who could benefit if they would accept she can't come back and give consent to donate her organs.

Another sad aspect of this case: she's been on a ventilator, but I don't think they've had her on a feeding tube until recently (that's probably why she's "improving"). But I bet a month without nourishment has taken a toll on her internal organs.


Actually the feeding tube is not doing anything.
The intestines have sloughed their lining and collapsed since there is no longer any brain to control them.
She is rotting form the inside out....
I posted a link above where the doctor describes things pretty well...
 
2014-01-09 08:53:44 PM  
I'm morbidly waiting for this girls heart to finally stop so the real fun begins.. The more and more I read.. The more and more my spidey senses tingle..  I think this family is in for a rude awakening.
 
2014-01-09 08:53:56 PM  

lemortede: Witnesses in the PICU said that this family were absolute beasts before she had complications.
BTW, you dont just end up in the PICU if you are low risk...just saying.
They came in many (The number used was 14) at a time even though it was suppose to be 1 visitor per PICU patient. The nurses ended up trying to wrangle that mess.
They mother and grandmother were feeding her bigmac's even though you are not suppose to eat anything.
When she started bleeding a little the mother, grandmother, stepfather and the girl herself were suctioning her throat causing further bleeding and removing more of the scabs/clots/sutures.
It was after them doing these things that the bleeding really went crazy and out of control. It was described as "waterfall like" by one witness.
Do a search for the eye witnesses...many of them have stopped talking about it for legal reasons.
Not saying the hospital is does not share a blame, but the family IMO is the primary cause of this poor girls death.


So my son and both had tonsillectomy/adenoidectomies within the last five years (I do not recommend this for adults; three weeks of level 7 pain...) and with BOTH of our surgeries, I was warned of the potential for the scabs to come off early, leading to torrential bleeding. I don't recall either of us having stitches, but then, Jahi's surgery was much more involved.

Just... what the hell were they thinking giving the child a hamburger? That's the most criminally stupid thing I can think of after a tonsillectomy of any sort. It took me a solid month before I could choke down anything other than popsicles and dairy free ice cream (Pro-tip- ice cream makes the swelling worse).

So if anyone else went to DocBastard's blog, an individual named "HoodRat" who claims to be jahi's cousin popped into the comments section and had some rather disturbing things to say.
 
2014-01-09 08:55:32 PM  
This hamburger thing needs a huge "CITATION NEEDED".. It's only on blogs and shiatty conspiracy sites..  Where did this hamburger thing spawn from? No one seems to know.
 
2014-01-09 08:58:29 PM  

styckx: I'm morbidly waiting for this girls heart to finally stop so the real fun begins.. The more and more I read.. The more and more my spidey senses tingle..  I think this family is in for a rude awakening.


Terri Schiavo's family still insists that she was conscious and not in a PVS and could see and interact with them even though the autopsy showed that she was blind and a third of her brain was liquefied.

NEVER underestimate teh power of denial.


And for those of you wondering why I am so livid about all of this... it's WRONG. It's WRONG for her parents to act like this. They're like spoiled brats who never listened to anything and now they've killed their kid because of it and they can't even take responsibility for the FACT that the kid is dead, much less the part they may or may not have played. They're creating a dangerous legal precedent. And I know that not everyone can take college level classes about health and the body, but I run into so much ignorance every day (my in laws keep telling me about a friend with "neck cancer"...) that it's just hard to take sometimes. And this one is really hard to take because there's just no need, no excuse, no reason for this to be drawn out this long.
 
2014-01-09 09:09:30 PM  

styckx: This hamburger thing needs a huge "CITATION NEEDED".. It's only on blogs and shiatty conspiracy sites..  Where did this hamburger thing spawn from? No one seems to know.


Sometimes stuff happens and it isn't caught on video, or it is on video and gets lost.

Or like others have mentioned, the witnesses are shutting up because it's getting lawsuity.

Did you know that there's a TV version of Star Wars where Luke says: "Blast it, *Wedge, where are you?"?
If you disbelieve it, it's your loss, however I do agree I can't prove it without a copy.
/right not biggs
 
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