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2014-01-09 04:31:36 PM

styckx: What I want to know is..

How can a hospital full of trained professionals shove a feeding tube in a girl that digestive track... For lack of a better term is melting and no longer functioning..


We don't know that it's even a "hospital full of trained professionals". Upthread it was mentioned that one of the interested parties was a former beautician who owns a nursing home.
 
2014-01-09 04:33:09 PM

Bunny Deville: styckx: What I want to know is..

How can a hospital full of trained professionals shove a feeding tube in a girl that digestive track... For lack of a better term is melting and no longer functioning..

We don't know that it's even a "hospital full of trained professionals". Upthread it was mentioned that one of the interested parties was a former beautician who owns a nursing home.


Oh dear lord... So this really has turned into some weird ghetto hospice situation.
 
2014-01-09 04:33:25 PM

g4lt: Well, although the kid's a vegetable, I can't help thinking that the hospital that CAUSED THE FARKING BRAIN DEATH shouldn't have any more say in the care decisions, no matter how logical they're being.


She had throat surgery after which her family was told they should not let her talk or eat solid food for a few days.   By the families own admission they spent the next day talking with her and brought her food to eat in the hospital.
 
2014-01-09 04:35:19 PM
You haters need to stop, Jahi's improving! Why, her grandpa Sawyer's strict liquid diet keeps him as fresh as a rose.

/the hamburger is family
 
2014-01-09 04:37:53 PM

styckx: What I want to know is..

How can a hospital full of trained professionals shove a feeding tube in a girl that digestive track... For lack of a better term is melting and no longer functioning..


That's just it - Children's Hospital of Oakland (the hospital that performed the surgery and subsequently declared her brain dead) refused to surgical implant both the feeding tube and the tracheostomy. They argued in court that the patient was dead and that it would be unethical for them to demand one of their physicians to perform these procedures.

Well, the family with their scumbag attorney's help flipped out and told the media that the hospital was trying to kill their child.  I'll see if I can find links a bit later but check out the San Jose Mercury News (mercurynews.com) for good, detailed coverage of this whole inane saga....
 
2014-01-09 04:40:08 PM

BizarreMan: lennavan: styckx: My dad is that way.. He has told me numerous times if he has a heart attack to just let him die. He reasons

"I don't want to be taken on a "five farking thousand dollar" ambulance ride just to have half my face drooping, have to learn to walk again and hooked up to all sorts of shiat.. I love you but love you more for letting me pass as I am now and now a shell of my former self"

No offense (and I actually mean that too) but would you summarize that as he's DNR because he doesn't know better?  I say that because my father in law had a heart attack, had the stent put in and now thanks to some lifestyle changes is healthier than he was before.  Also, half the face drooping is not a heart attack, that's a stroke and the long term symptoms of a stroke are very dependent upon how fast you treat it.  So he's giving up before he even knows whether or not he will be a shell of his former self.

The problem is, you have no way of knowing and preparing for every medical possibility.  If you could, the document would be so long you'd be dead before they could find your wishes in that eventuality or they put you on a machine while they research your wishes, unfortunately, it's easier to keep you on the machine than it is to take it off if you didn't want to be there.

So you just go with a DNR and count it good.


Knows a thing or two about lengthy documents:

i1140.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-09 04:47:44 PM
Here's some good info about the NY facility run by a former beautician.  Bear in mind, this facility only has an outpatient team set up (still looking to build an inpatient facility) and that it is primarily for brain trauma patients:   http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/05/health/jahi-mcmath-girl-brain-dead/

This the facility's (New Beginnings) website:  http://www.nbli.org/

Info on the founder: http://www.nbli.org/about/

Note that it doesn't look like anybody has any medical training - it's unfortunate that the good work they are probably providing on an outpatient basis for brain trauma patients will be overshadowed by this ridiculous stance on a brain dead corpse and their affiliation with this family and their shyster lawyer....
 
2014-01-09 04:51:19 PM

styckx: Who the fark is donating all this cash to keep a corpse "alive"?


People who prefer to "feel" rather than "think."
 
2014-01-09 04:51:53 PM

Girl On Couch: Here's some good info about the NY facility run by a former beautician.  Bear in mind, this facility only has an outpatient team set up (still looking to build an inpatient facility) and that it is primarily for brain trauma patients:   http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/05/health/jahi-mcmath-girl-brain-dead/

This the facility's (New Beginnings) website:  http://www.nbli.org/

Info on the founder: http://www.nbli.org/about/

Note that it doesn't look like anybody has any medical training - it's unfortunate that the good work they are probably providing on an outpatient basis for brain trauma patients will be overshadowed by this ridiculous stance on a brain dead corpse and their affiliation with this family and their shyster lawyer....


Wow.. I didn't know they built snake oil facilities that large.. That place is obviously a racket..
 
2014-01-09 04:52:09 PM
She got fat and was killed from eating too many burgers.  She developed sleep apnea because of it, so instead of her family changing her eating habits they scheduled her for a tonsillectomy, the removal of part of her soft palette, trimmed her sinuses to "cure" her sleep apnea, then promptly fed her bites of their burgers while she was in the recovery room, breaking the stitches and causing her to bleed out, thus coming full circle back to the irresponsibility of feeding that girl hamburgers way too farking often.

As Butters would say: "OH hamburgers!"

/mmmmmm burgers
 
2014-01-09 04:52:52 PM

BigNumber12: styckx: Who the fark is donating all this cash to keep a corpse "alive"?

People who prefer to "feel" rather than "think."


i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-09 04:56:12 PM

walktoanarcade: She got fat and was killed from eating too many burgers.  She developed sleep apnea because of it, so instead of her family changing her eating habits they scheduled her for a tonsillectomy, the removal of part of her soft palette, trimmed her sinuses to "cure" her sleep apnea, then promptly fed her bites of their burgers while she was in the recovery room, breaking the stitches and causing her to bleed out, thus coming full circle back to the irresponsibility of feeding that girl hamburgers way too farking often.

As Butters would say: "OH hamburgers!"

/mmmmmm burgers


Yeah - pretty much this.  Just need to add a dash of delusional injustice and denial of facts....

/family and friends were wearing and distributing "Justice for Jahi" t-shirts like she was freakin' Mandela or something....
 
2014-01-09 04:58:32 PM
What confuses me is why is it always the people who supposedly believe in a wonderful afterlife who have so much trouble letting a loved one who is obviously past this earth go?
 
2014-01-09 05:00:05 PM

Girl On Couch: walktoanarcade: She got fat and was killed from eating too many burgers.  She developed sleep apnea because of it, so instead of her family changing her eating habits they scheduled her for a tonsillectomy, the removal of part of her soft palette, trimmed her sinuses to "cure" her sleep apnea, then promptly fed her bites of their burgers while she was in the recovery room, breaking the stitches and causing her to bleed out, thus coming full circle back to the irresponsibility of feeding that girl hamburgers way too farking often.

As Butters would say: "OH hamburgers!"

/mmmmmm burgers

Yeah - pretty much this.  Just need to add a dash of delusional injustice and denial of facts....

/family and friends were wearing and distributing "Justice for Jahi" t-shirts like she was freakin' Mandela or something....


So you think the hospital did enough documenting of the family disobeying hospital orders to protect them in a wrongful death lawsuit?  Seems like the family is not only grieving now.. But dealing with the guilt they probably killed their own kid through ignorance.
 
2014-01-09 05:02:33 PM

Girl On Couch: Here's some good info about the NY facility run by a former beautician.  Bear in mind, this facility only has an outpatient team set up (still looking to build an inpatient facility) and that it is primarily for brain trauma patients:   http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/05/health/jahi-mcmath-girl-brain-dead/

This the facility's (New Beginnings) website:  http://www.nbli.org/

Info on the founder: http://www.nbli.org/about/

Note that it doesn't look like anybody has any medical training - it's unfortunate that the good work they are probably providing on an outpatient basis for brain trauma patients will be overshadowed by this ridiculous stance on a brain dead corpse and their affiliation with this family and their shyster lawyer....


Does she do silicone injections into peoples butts in hotel rooms too?
 
2014-01-09 05:05:41 PM

Girl On Couch: walktoanarcade: She got fat and was killed from eating too many burgers.  She developed sleep apnea because of it, so instead of her family changing her eating habits they scheduled her for a tonsillectomy, the removal of part of her soft palette, trimmed her sinuses to "cure" her sleep apnea, then promptly fed her bites of their burgers while she was in the recovery room, breaking the stitches and causing her to bleed out, thus coming full circle back to the irresponsibility of feeding that girl hamburgers way too farking often.

As Butters would say: "OH hamburgers!"

/mmmmmm burgers

Yeah - pretty much this.  Just need to add a dash of delusional injustice and denial of facts....

/family and friends were wearing and distributing "Justice for Jahi" t-shirts like she was freakin' Mandela or something....


Thanks for the back up. This whole story gives me the willies in a lot of ways. Any way I choose to look at it it's unacceptable.    Some of the comments on sites like CBS's and CNN's are rich.

Glad most people have kept their sanity, can't say the same for the idiot judge that allowed this to happen.

Damn, this case also reminds me of Norman farkin Bates. It's gets better and better.
 
2014-01-09 05:06:51 PM

styckx: Just wait till she finally "die dies" and the family files suit arm and arm with the ACLU


This I gotta hear: How on earth does the ACLU have any interest (or standing) in this case?
 
2014-01-09 05:06:52 PM
If she stays alive, the hospital could be on the hook for years, paying millions for her maintenance. If she dies, what's a fat black 13 year-old girl worth? One lump sum in the low six figures. Do the McMath.
 
2014-01-09 05:07:01 PM

xanadian: So, I must've missed the article that explained how a f*#%ing routine operation like a tonsillectomy turned this girl into a vegetable.  Too much blood loss?  Crazy-ass brain-eating infection?  God was at His computer that day?


You've been lied to by the lamestream media. She had a triple tonsil-adenoid-vulveular operation and she is morbidly obese.
 
2014-01-09 05:09:22 PM

namegoeshere: When I picture this "miracle", I'm picturing a scene from Pet Sematary.


I don't want to be buried in a Pet Sematary, I don't want to live my life again.
 
2014-01-09 05:13:09 PM
Girl on a couch, you mentioned denial of facts, and it made me wonder, is that family unclear that brain death is NOT coma?

Do they think brain death is slang for coma?  It sure seems a lot of people defending the family's assertion that Jahi can get better think so.

/read somewhere that Jahi's brain is liquid at this stage
 
2014-01-09 05:16:53 PM
The hospital should pay exactly zero dollars and oodles of common sense to the family.

They need to receive both now. Won't you help? Operators are standing by.
 
2014-01-09 05:18:47 PM

walktoanarcade: She got fat and was killed from eating too many burgers.  She developed sleep apnea because of it, so instead of her family changing her eating habits they scheduled her for a tonsillectomy, the removal of part of her soft palette, trimmed her sinuses to "cure" her sleep apnea, then promptly fed her bites of their burgers while she was in the recovery room, breaking the stitches and causing her to bleed out, thus coming full circle back to the irresponsibility of feeding that girl hamburgers way too farking often.

As Butters would say: "OH hamburgers!"

/mmmmmm burgers


I've only seen that story on blogs, but if it's true, it would go a long way towards explaining the parent's level of denial. To lose a child by accident is hard enough but if their actions contributed to her death, then that's a level of hell I don't think any parent wants to face.
 
2014-01-09 05:19:18 PM

walktoanarcade: Girl on a couch, you mentioned denial of facts, and it made me wonder, is that family unclear that brain death is NOT coma?

Do they think brain death is slang for coma?  It sure seems a lot of people defending the family's assertion that Jahi can get better think so.

/read somewhere that Jahi's brain is liquid at this stage


My mom and stepmother are both nurses. They say that a lot of people can't get past the difference between coma and brain death. I don't know whether it's denial, ignorance, WILLFUL ignorance, or what, but uneducated people especially just do not seem to grasp the reality.

What I said upthread about the tongue coming out when they have to suction the lungs? That happened to my stepmother. The patient had been brain dead a month, and had already lost a couple of fingers and toes. The tongue came out when she suctioned him. The family was in the room. My stepmother at that point informed the family that it was time to let go, and they actually listened at that point.
 
2014-01-09 05:20:39 PM

RussianPooper: Anayalator: Raise your hand if you submitted this story with a better headline.

I hate being this guy, because I hate this guy. My HL wasn't super funny, and this story isn't funny, but my headline was better. I am going to ban myself for a couple of weeks. Maybe my mojo is off.

By the way, the lawyer is a scumbag.

Ha ha, my headline got greenlighted.

BTW, which one was yours?


Know what? I need to retract my tantrum.

Mine was  Hospital to blame if dead girl dies, says scumbag attorneywhich I guess is quite similar
 
2014-01-09 05:21:39 PM

Deucednuisance: styckx: Just wait till she finally "die dies" and the family files suit arm and arm with the ACLU

This I gotta hear: How on earth does the ACLU have any interest (or standing) in this case?


Brain fart.. Was thinking NAACP and ACLU came out..
 
2014-01-09 05:22:48 PM

theknuckler_33: I can't believe this happened from a tonsilectomy (or whatever). And that's all I've got to say about that.


It didn't. Bad media reporting. It was apnea surgery and it isn't performed on people her age regularly.
 
2014-01-09 05:24:59 PM
I've been watching this case from the side lines with mild interest.  The question I have is who is paying to keep this corpse "alive" and what kind of factuality has she been transferred too?  If the family is paying for this out of their own pockets and the corpse isn't taking up valuable bed space in a hospital who gives a shait.  As long as they family pays to keep the machines on as far as I'm concerned they can do so till the corpse turns into goo.  An it will.  Death usually does that to things.

But if they are hoping for a miracle it would have been better for them to put their little snowflake in a vat of liquid nitrogen and pray that science can come up with a cure for brain death.   But then again god could send in tinkerbell to sprinkle her body with magic dust and bring her back to life.   Never can tell, I'm betting the odds are about even in both cases though.
 
2014-01-09 05:26:41 PM

Lord Apathy: I've been watching this case from the side lines with mild interest.  The question I have is who is paying to keep this corpse "alive" and what kind of factuality has she been transferred too?  If the family is paying for this out of their own pockets and the corpse isn't taking up valuable bed space in a hospital who gives a shait.  As long as they family pays to keep the machines on as far as I'm concerned they can do so till the corpse turns into goo.  An it will.  Death usually does that to things.

But if they are hoping for a miracle it would have been better for them to put their little snowflake in a vat of liquid nitrogen and pray that science can come up with a cure for brain death.   But then again god could send in tinkerbell to sprinkle her body with magic dust and bring her back to life.   Never can tell, I'm betting the odds are about even in both cases though.


The family only raised about 50k.. That's like a day or two worth of care for the shiat she needs.. Maybe..

As far as the rest.. Enjoy your taxes and insurance premiums..
 
2014-01-09 05:28:39 PM

NutWrench: walktoanarcade: She got fat and was killed from eating too many burgers.  She developed sleep apnea because of it, so instead of her family changing her eating habits they scheduled her for a tonsillectomy, the removal of part of her soft palette, trimmed her sinuses to "cure" her sleep apnea, then promptly fed her bites of their burgers while she was in the recovery room, breaking the stitches and causing her to bleed out, thus coming full circle back to the irresponsibility of feeding that girl hamburgers way too farking often.

As Butters would say: "OH hamburgers!"

/mmmmmm burgers

I've only seen that story on blogs, but if it's true, it would go a long way towards explaining the parent's level of denial. To lose a child by accident is hard enough but if their actions contributed to her death, then that's a level of hell I don't think any parent wants to face.


Yes true it's up in the air if that actually went down, though from what I read, it's always being attributed to the mother and grandmother.  Fair enough.

Maybe that's why they're so mentally broken concerning her death..because they know they caused it.  It's harsh, but so is the story to my ears and eyes.   You know what I mean?    Even during Halloween time this shiat would be pushing the boundaries of good taste and universal human decency.

Ugh.
 
2014-01-09 05:30:55 PM
IT all makes me wonder how much of the family's stubbornness is the result of their inability to come to terms with everything actually being their fault via improper post-op behavior.
 
2014-01-09 05:37:45 PM

Bunny Deville: walktoanarcade: Girl on a couch, you mentioned denial of facts, and it made me wonder, is that family unclear that brain death is NOT coma?

Do they think brain death is slang for coma?  It sure seems a lot of people defending the family's assertion that Jahi can get better think so.

/read somewhere that Jahi's brain is liquid at this stage

My mom and stepmother are both nurses. They say that a lot of people can't get past the difference between coma and brain death. I don't know whether it's denial, ignorance, WILLFUL ignorance, or what, but uneducated people especially just do not seem to grasp the reality.

What I said upthread about the tongue coming out when they have to suction the lungs? That happened to my stepmother. The patient had been brain dead a month, and had already lost a couple of fingers and toes. The tongue came out when she suctioned him. The family was in the room. My stepmother at that point informed the family that it was time to let go, and they actually listened at that point.


Dear God...

Some people really are a river in Egypt. Maybe it's time for nurses like your step-mom to let people know before that stage it could come to that gruesome end, although how to broach it, search me.
 
2014-01-09 05:38:50 PM

Bunny Deville: walktoanarcade: Girl on a couch, you mentioned denial of facts, and it made me wonder, is that family unclear that brain death is NOT coma?

Do they think brain death is slang for coma?  It sure seems a lot of people defending the family's assertion that Jahi can get better think so.

/read somewhere that Jahi's brain is liquid at this stage

My mom and stepmother are both nurses. They say that a lot of people can't get past the difference between coma and brain death. I don't know whether it's denial, ignorance, WILLFUL ignorance, or what, but uneducated people especially just do not seem to grasp the reality.

What I said upthread about the tongue coming out when they have to suction the lungs? That happened to my stepmother. The patient had been brain dead a month, and had already lost a couple of fingers and toes. The tongue came out when she suctioned him. The family was in the room. My stepmother at that point informed the family that it was time to let go, and they actually listened at that point.


This. This is what will have to happen for the family to come to terms to put her body to rest. After reading the doctor's statement, at the rate her body is deteriorating, that won't take a whole lot longer.
 
2014-01-09 05:43:38 PM

walktoanarcade: Bunny Deville: walktoanarcade: Girl on a couch, you mentioned denial of facts, and it made me wonder, is that family unclear that brain death is NOT coma?

Do they think brain death is slang for coma?  It sure seems a lot of people defending the family's assertion that Jahi can get better think so.

/read somewhere that Jahi's brain is liquid at this stage

My mom and stepmother are both nurses. They say that a lot of people can't get past the difference between coma and brain death. I don't know whether it's denial, ignorance, WILLFUL ignorance, or what, but uneducated people especially just do not seem to grasp the reality.

What I said upthread about the tongue coming out when they have to suction the lungs? That happened to my stepmother. The patient had been brain dead a month, and had already lost a couple of fingers and toes. The tongue came out when she suctioned him. The family was in the room. My stepmother at that point informed the family that it was time to let go, and they actually listened at that point.

Dear God...

Some people really are a river in Egypt. Maybe it's time for nurses like your step-mom to let people know before that stage it could come to that gruesome end, although how to broach it, search me.


Oh, she tried. Believe you me, she tried. At this stage the body has already lost a couple of digits due to lack of blood flow. People, especially uneducated people, just will not listen sometimes. It's awful. No matter how much you reason with people, if the heart is still beating, they believe that the loved one will just wake up one day and be fine. When the tongue thing happened, that's when my stepmom stopped trying to be nice to this family and let them know that they weren't doing anyone any favors by their denial.
 
2014-01-09 05:52:04 PM
Bunny Deville:

Oh, she tried. Believe you me, she tried. At this stage the body has already lost a couple of digits due to lack of blood flow. People, especially uneducated people, just will not listen sometimes. It's awful. No matter how much you reason with people, if the heart is still beating, they believe that the loved one will just wake up one day and be fine. When the tongue thing happened, that's when my stepmom stopped trying to be nice to this family and let them know that they weren't doing anyone any favors by their denial.

Sounds like damned if you do, damned if you don't.

The family in question keeps bad-mouthing Children's Hospital as if they're boogeymen who ghoulishly wished to "pull the plug" on their "viable" daughter when in fact they are the ghouls. I realize it's impolite, but why didn't a doctor yell at their attorney that she's never, ever waking up because it's literally impossible for a dead brain to be self-aware.   And if such took place....how can we have come to this result?  Too weird.
 
2014-01-09 05:55:53 PM
I keep wondering if the hospital social workers dropped the ball somehow.
 
2014-01-09 05:56:17 PM

nekom: Just an awful situation.  No winners here.


Tell that to the accountants at the facility where she's being kept.
 
2014-01-09 06:06:15 PM

Mystery Vortex: nekom: Bob Falfa:
No. Her parents just can't let her go.
Very sad.

It is, but I'm not in any position to pass judgment, and god help me I don't ever want to be in such a position.  Grief can lead to irrational behavior.  Every scientific and medical opinion is that her brain is goo, she's already dead, not even the slightest chance of a recovery.  The family aren't doctors or scientists, all they hear is "Well, she's in bad shape, but you never know!"

It's just a shiatty situation all around.

Even a doctor or scientis might find themselves unable to let go of a daughter that had her whole life ahead of her.
This family doesn't need ridicule. Let them hold onto her body in that state as long as they need to. It's part of the grieving process and eventually they will be ready to turn off the machines. It's not like the girl is suffering in the meantime.


They have already cost the hospital tens of thousands of dollars.
 
2014-01-09 06:08:21 PM

BizarreMan: I believe I read it somewhere that her heart and lungs are still working without medical intervention due to the autonomic responses in those organs. But her brain is flat line. She is on vents to assist breathing, and what's keeping her alive really is the feeding tubes.


If you read that it is wrong.  When her life support is removed, everything stops.  3 different doctors have confirmed this.   And she is brain dead.  The feeding tubes are doing nothing, and she can't breath on her own.  What don't you people understand about the word "dead"?  She is not "pining for the fjords".  She is dead.  As John Cleese said:

He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!!
 
2014-01-09 06:13:42 PM

thatboyoverthere: Also fark the hospital. "We accidentally killed your daughter so we're going to pull the plug on her LOL!"
/I feel for the family. Personally I would pull the plug but it's up to them.
//My mother says they would have pulled the plug eventually but the hospital decided now. So the family is never going to pull the plug just out of sheer defiance.
/// Also fark the hospital.


Save your fark the hospital.  There are reports that, although the child was on nothing by mouth protocol post-op, her family stuffed her gaping maw with cheeseburgers, thus causing the bleeding.  And when she started bleeding, the family tried to suction it themselves instead of calling a nurse.  Because, you know, the mom watched Gray's Anatomy and can do all the medical shiat, and God would guide her hands.

 Blame where blame is due.
 
2014-01-09 06:17:59 PM

Bunny Deville: walktoanarcade:
Dear God...

Some people really are a river in Egypt. Maybe it's time for nurses like your step-mom to let people know before that stage it could come to that gruesome end, although how to broach it, search me.

Oh, she tried. Believe you me, she tried. At this stage the body has already lost a couple of digits due to lack of blood flow. People, especially uneducated people, just will not listen sometimes. It's awful. No matter how much you reason with people, if the heart is still beating, they believe that the loved one will just wake up one day and be fine. When the tongue thing happened, that's when my stepmom stopped trying to be nice to this family and let them know that they weren't doing anyone any favors by their denial.


Only on Fark could I ask this question: Did they just sort of... fall off? Or were they surgically removed because of rot?
 
2014-01-09 06:18:12 PM

walktoanarcade: Girl on a couch, you mentioned denial of facts, and it made me wonder, is that family unclear that brain death is NOT coma?

Do they think brain death is slang for coma?  It sure seems a lot of people defending the family's assertion that Jahi can get better think so.

/read somewhere that Jahi's brain is liquid at this stage


Maybe - but they were told repeatedly and in very simple words that their daughter was dead by several doctors.  One of them even used the term dead repeatedly to try to get it through to them and was bashed in the media by the family as being an uncaring monster.

/css: when my father in law passed I had a hospital worker (think it was the RN) check in and say "oh, he's long dead" - it seemed a little odd at the time but now I can see why she used those terms: to make it perfectly clear to the family that he was dead. Period. End of Story.
 
2014-01-09 06:18:20 PM
I'd love to know the source for the hamburger and suction stuff. I only see it on blogs, not more credible sites.. I'm not calling anyone liars but it's hard to talk about certain "facts" when your source is wordpress
 
2014-01-09 06:22:33 PM

Rodeodoc: BizarreMan: I believe I read it somewhere that her heart and lungs are still working without medical intervention due to the autonomic responses in those organs. But her brain is flat line. She is on vents to assist breathing, and what's keeping her alive really is the feeding tubes.

If you read that it is wrong.  When her life support is removed, everything stops.  3 different doctors have confirmed this.   And she is brain dead.  The feeding tubes are doing nothing, and she can't breath on her own.  What don't you people understand about the word "dead"?  She is not "pining for the fjords".  She is dead.  As John Cleese said:

He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!!


About this: Her bowels are basically dead, no activity except for some of the bowel itself sloughing off and being expelled, right? So if they start dumping liquid nutrition in there, isn't it just going to stay pooled up in her stomach until it pops like the salamander I overfed when I was eight?

I officially hate/love a little this story now because it has made my morbid curiosity come out to play in an environment where that's not necessarily a bad thing.
 
2014-01-09 06:25:19 PM
Has the family tried leaches yet?

Cuz they might help. You know, to suck the evil out of the poor girl's blood.
 
2014-01-09 06:27:13 PM
Also, fark the new secret hospital that is playing along with this charade.
 
2014-01-09 06:27:22 PM
Rodeodoc:
Save your fark the hospital.  There are reports that, although the child was on nothing by mouth protocol post-op, her family stuffed her gaping maw with cheeseburgers, thus causing the bleeding.  And when she started bleeding, the family tried to suction it themselves instead of calling a nurse.  Because, you know, the mom watched Gray's Anatomy and can do all the medical shiat, and God would guide her hands.

 Blame where blame is due.


We don't know that for a fact.  Though it's certainly plausible that eating when you aren't supposed to after such a surgery may have been a powerfully bad idea, and may have been a contributing factor or even the root cause of her death.  That will come out in time.

If you want to sling hate around now, I'd say it's best directed at anyone who is "selling" the family on the notion that there's any chance whatsoever of recovery.  Those are true ghouls there.  A proper medical professional would say "Look, I'm really sorry but there's nothing more we can do.  She's gone."  Anything else, even "well if we care for her, she might recover, but it's a long shot." is inappropriate given the circumstances.  There is ZERO chance here.
 
2014-01-09 06:27:43 PM

Girl On Couch: walktoanarcade: Girl on a couch, you mentioned denial of facts, and it made me wonder, is that family unclear that brain death is NOT coma?

Do they think brain death is slang for coma?  It sure seems a lot of people defending the family's assertion that Jahi can get better think so.

/read somewhere that Jahi's brain is liquid at this stage

Maybe - but they were told repeatedly and in very simple words that their daughter was dead by several doctors.  One of them even used the term dead repeatedly to try to get it through to them and was bashed in the media by the family as being an uncaring monster.

/css: when my father in law passed I had a hospital worker (think it was the RN) check in and say "oh, he's long dead" - it seemed a little odd at the time but now I can see why she used those terms: to make it perfectly clear to the family that he was dead. Period. End of Story.


Game over? No more quarters? It's closing time? The owner is calling security??


/this thread made me remember the lyrics to "Surfing Dead"
 
2014-01-09 06:29:39 PM

Rodeodoc: As John Cleese said:

He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!!


The next person who dies in my extended family... THIS is how I want to be told.
 
2014-01-09 06:30:08 PM

derpy: Also, fark the new secret hospital that is playing along with this charade.


You mean the family's basement and or darkened laundry room?
 
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