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2014-01-09 03:14:48 PM  

lennavan: styckx: My dad is that way.. He has told me numerous times if he has a heart attack to just let him die.

No offense (and I actually mean that too) but would you summarize that as he's DNR because he doesn't know better?  I say that because my father in law had a heart attack, had the stent put in and now thanks to some lifestyle changes is healthier than he was before.


This. My dad's had three heart attacks (the first one 20 years ago last month, the third one he didn't even know about until the doc took a closer look at some regular checkup results), is walking around with five stents in him, and went through four pacemakers until they found one that actually worked properly for him. He's doing fine good okay for a guy in his mid-60s.
 
2014-01-09 03:15:57 PM  

nekom: Bob Falfa:
No. Her parents just can't let her go.
Very sad.

It is, but I'm not in any position to pass judgment, and god help me I don't ever want to be in such a position.  Grief can lead to irrational behavior.  Every scientific and medical opinion is that her brain is goo, she's already dead, not even the slightest chance of a recovery.  The family aren't doctors or scientists, all they hear is "Well, she's in bad shape, but you never know!"

It's just a shiatty situation all around.


Even a doctor or scientis might find themselves unable to let go of a daughter that had her whole life ahead of her.
This family doesn't need ridicule. Let them hold onto her body in that state as long as they need to. It's part of the grieving process and eventually they will be ready to turn off the machines. It's not like the girl is suffering in the meantime.
 
2014-01-09 03:16:21 PM  
She could still recover!

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She just needs a stint in Tahiti.  It's a magical place.
 
2014-01-09 03:18:21 PM  

styckx: Girl On Couch: ok - I have actually been following this (happening in my neck of the woods) and a couple of things:

1. this was NOT a "routine operation" - as Dallymo said, she had an adenotonsillectomy, uvulopalatopharyngoplasty and submucous resection of bilateral inferior turbinates to deal with her sleep apnea (the family has never said why they didn't try to treat this with weight loss or other non-surgical procedures, like the use of a CPAP mask - an aggressive operation like this on a child is usually the last resort)

2. The family has been told repeatedly by 6 different doctors that she is brain dead (and that one does not "recover" from brain death)

3. The family's lawyer has repeatedly lied about the existence of facilities willing to accept and care for a corpse - the last one he claimed to express interest was out of NY run by a former beautician who claims this corpse just needs time to heal.

4. Post op - this family was in the room encouraging the girl to speak, eat and drink (specifically forbidden by the doctors as it might rupture her delicate stitches); additionally the grandmother admits suctioning blood out of the girl's mouth in post op but claimed it was ok - she knew what she was doing because she's a nurse (she's an LVN and has repeatedly exaggerated her licensing and training in the local media)

5. The family created a go fund me page for transport and treatment of this corpse (last I read they had over $50k in donations)

6. At least one doctor has testified that due to the brain inactivity (both brain and brain stem) the corpse is no longer regulating food, etc. (no reason it needs a feeding tube) and that the inside of the bowels are starting to slough off through stools.

I'm not calling you a liar.. Actually I love this post. I just wish you linked sources (especially about the parents at her beside doing everything they aren't supposed to be doing)


Here is the transcript from Doctor Flori at Children's Hospital Oakland:
http://media.nbcbayarea.com/documents/HeidiFlori.pdf
 
2014-01-09 03:20:51 PM  
"Here at the Dolan Law Firm, we can get your Final Judgement by God overturned. Here's some real corpses that the Dolan Law Firm fought for and brought back to life..."

/Bay Area Farkers will get it...
//won't blame the family, but I can and will blame the ambulance chasers giving them false hope
 
2014-01-09 03:20:56 PM  

JohnTuttle: lennavan: styckx: My dad is that way.. He has told me numerous times if he has a heart attack to just let him die.

No offense (and I actually mean that too) but would you summarize that as he's DNR because he doesn't know better?  I say that because my father in law had a heart attack, had the stent put in and now thanks to some lifestyle changes is healthier than he was before.

This. My dad's had three heart attacks (the first one 20 years ago last month, the third one he didn't even know about until the doc took a closer look at some regular checkup results), is walking around with five stents in him, and went through four pacemakers until they found one that actually worked properly for him. He's doing fine good okay for a guy in his mid-60s.


People with DNR's don't get them in their 40's. They get them when they hit their 70's or so or when they know that they have a medical condition where the "Fix" is usually worse than death itself when that death could be fairly quick (at least in their eyes).
 
2014-01-09 03:21:51 PM  

linda7900: Here is the transcript from Doctor Flori at Children's Hospital Oakland:
http://media.nbcbayarea.com/documents/HeidiFlori.pdf


And Dr. Fisher's report from the brain death examination he performed:
http://media.nbcbayarea.com/documents/Fisher+-+Redacted+Rpt_1.pdf

Fisher is the chief of pediatric neurology at Stanford.
 
2014-01-09 03:22:56 PM  
www.wearysloth.com

Maybe they can help?
 
2014-01-09 03:23:10 PM  

matterri: The saddest thing? These surgeries create copious amounts of scar tissue that, when fully healed, can cause more obstructions than prior to the surgeries.

/Voice of experience. Had the same procedures. Would NEVER go through it again.
// Ended up on CPAP anyway.


Would you please explain to the class exactly what those surgeries involve? I think there is some confusion with folks thinking this is the same T&A* that was so common a generation ago.

*No, not Tits and Ass you dirty minded farkers ; )
 
2014-01-09 03:23:20 PM  

Sgt.Zim: Ghastly: And by "improving" we mean we've stabilized her condition so we can keep riding this cash potato indefinitely. Ka-ching! Ka-ching!

Or at least until the insurance company pulls the plug.

From another article I've read, they've got a donation fund going, and it's already well ahead.  She'll be kept ... functioning ... for quite some time.

It's sick; our "reverence for life" is way out of control.


I'll be surprised if she makes it to the end of the month. The brain produces hormones that regulate blood pressure and body temperature and the brain stem handles all our autonomic functions, like peristalses, which moves food along through the digestive system. When the brain is completely dead, those functions don't work anymore. Infections and organ shutdown are inevitable

The PDF I linked to earlier is the legal transcript from the doctor who handled Javi McMath's case and it sums up her reasons why Javi should not get the tracheostomy and feeding tube. It's pretty grim reading.
 
2014-01-09 03:23:39 PM  

styckx: Sgt.Zim: Ghastly: And by "improving" we mean we've stabilized her condition so we can keep riding this cash potato indefinitely. Ka-ching! Ka-ching!

Or at least until the insurance company pulls the plug.

From another article I've read, they've got a donation fund going, and it's already well ahead.  She'll be kept ... functioning ... for quite some time.

It's sick; our "reverence for life" is way out of control.

Who the fark is donating all this cash to keep a corpse "alive"? That's even more sick.. What the hell is wrong with this country?


The "right to life" crowd, mostly.
 
2014-01-09 03:25:53 PM  

linda7900: styckx: Girl On Couch: ok - I have actually been following this (happening in my neck of the woods) and a couple of things:

1. this was NOT a "routine operation" - as Dallymo said, she had an adenotonsillectomy, uvulopalatopharyngoplasty and submucous resection of bilateral inferior turbinates to deal with her sleep apnea (the family has never said why they didn't try to treat this with weight loss or other non-surgical procedures, like the use of a CPAP mask - an aggressive operation like this on a child is usually the last resort)

2. The family has been told repeatedly by 6 different doctors that she is brain dead (and that one does not "recover" from brain death)

3. The family's lawyer has repeatedly lied about the existence of facilities willing to accept and care for a corpse - the last one he claimed to express interest was out of NY run by a former beautician who claims this corpse just needs time to heal.

4. Post op - this family was in the room encouraging the girl to speak, eat and drink (specifically forbidden by the doctors as it might rupture her delicate stitches); additionally the grandmother admits suctioning blood out of the girl's mouth in post op but claimed it was ok - she knew what she was doing because she's a nurse (she's an LVN and has repeatedly exaggerated her licensing and training in the local media)

5. The family created a go fund me page for transport and treatment of this corpse (last I read they had over $50k in donations)

6. At least one doctor has testified that due to the brain inactivity (both brain and brain stem) the corpse is no longer regulating food, etc. (no reason it needs a feeding tube) and that the inside of the bowels are starting to slough off through stools.

I'm not calling you a liar.. Actually I love this post. I just wish you linked sources (especially about the parents at her beside doing everything they aren't supposed to be doing)

Here is the transcript from Doctor Flori at Children's Hospital Oakland:
h ...


You rule.. Thank you.. That makes this entire thing more sick.. Paints a good picture of how this girl really is a decomposing cold lump of flesh at this point.
 
2014-01-09 03:28:39 PM  

NutWrench: Sgt.Zim: Ghastly: And by "improving" we mean we've stabilized her condition so we can keep riding this cash potato indefinitely. Ka-ching! Ka-ching!

Or at least until the insurance company pulls the plug.

From another article I've read, they've got a donation fund going, and it's already well ahead.  She'll be kept ... functioning ... for quite some time.

It's sick; our "reverence for life" is way out of control.

I'll be surprised if she makes it to the end of the month. The brain produces hormones that regulate blood pressure and body temperature and the brain stem handles all our autonomic functions, like peristalses, which moves food along through the digestive system. When the brain is completely dead, those functions don't work anymore. Infections and organ shutdown are inevitable

The PDF I linked to earlier is the legal transcript from the doctor who handled Javi McMath's case and it sums up her reasons why Javi should not get the tracheostomy and feeding tube. It's pretty grim reading.


Yeah, thanks for that.  When I wrote my earlier post, I hadn't read the doctor's transcript, and didn't realize that she'd already started to, essentially, decompose ...

As Daedelus27 pointed out, the body's going to completely go to waste rather than possibly be donated.

Disgusting.
 
2014-01-09 03:29:32 PM  
The circus came to town with this girl. People claiming the organ harvesters wanted to sell her body parts; the mother, believing that she's going to wake up; lawyers; grandma changing her story; idiots screaming that Jahi was mistreated because she's black. In the center is a sad, deteriorating mass of flesh that slowly rots away.

The bleedout occurred  during recovery, and according to early accounts, at home. Later accounts changed that to happening at the hospital.

All I know is that I wouldn't want to have to be taking care of the corpse.
 
2014-01-09 03:30:10 PM  

RexTalionis: If they are only functioning due to medical assistance from ventilators, can it really be said that they're working?


The ventilator does the lungs, not the heart.  The heart is quite capable of functioning without any commands from the brain, though.  (It's better able to react to changes with the nerve connection but transplant patients don't have the nerve connection and yet live.)

I also would think she might do a bit better on a feeding tube rather than just a dextrose drip.  That says nothing about recovery, though.

Smoking GNU: "Three doctors determined Jahi is dead due to brain death, but her family believes that she is alive because her heart and lungs are functioning. The family won court approval to force Children's Hospital to keep Jahi connected to the ventilator and then to move her to a new facility that planned to give her a feeding tube and tracheostomy, which her family believes will give Jahi a chance for recovery. "

Recovery from brain death. Erm.... yeah.


I certainly hope she doesn't--that would be the start of the zombie apocalypse!

marsgwar: The family could actually be ruining their chances for a successful lawsuit. The evidence of this case is the body and it's slowly being destroyed. If a proper autopsy can't be preformed, how is the fmaily going to prove a case against the hospital and doctors? Also, the defendants could make a case that any evidence found in a autopsy could have been the result of procedures performed after they turned over control of the corpse.


No, it's the other way around.  A destroyed body is to their benefit so the eventual autopsy can't show what happened.  In a case like this the burden will be on the hospital to show there was nothing wrong rather than the family to show wrong.  Yeah, that's not how it's *supposed* to work.
 
2014-01-09 03:31:30 PM  
Girl On Couch:

Bottom line - this family is beyond grieving - they are parasitic scum who want to raise money for "the care" of their dead kid - they are playing on right to lifer's ignorance.  I just wonder how long they'll keep this charade up as the corpse is already starting to decay

So any attempt by parents of dead girl to hold on to hope makes them parasitic scum?  What if for the sake of argument we say that the hospital that performed the operation that ultimately led to the child's death has a monetary interest in seeing her die die (as opposed to just brain dead die).  You see if medical care is being provided for that child they may theoretically be liable to pay for every bit of that.  If she were to pass away entirely there would be no continuing cost of care to factor into a settlement.  Are they now parasitic scum that just want to save the inevitable lawsuit payment from having another zero attached to it?  You essentially present the exact same argument to condemn the parents in this action.  Why is the hospital getting a pass?

Let me help you out with question of whether the hospital or the family is full of fiends. the answer is likely NO.  Faulting these parents for making a decision based more on grief than rational thought might be ok, but saying that they are making a decision solely for financial gain is outrageous without one shred of evidence to corroborate that allegation.  Saying that a hospital is somehow conspiring to kill this child is also crazy town.  They might have farked up and here inevitable death may end up making that fark up cost far less than it would otherwise, but there's no conspiracy to kill kill (as opposed to just brain dead kill) this girl.

In conclusion, your assumption that a grieving family is a group of terrible humans is probably more an internal reflection upon the speaker than an objective assessment of the situation.
 
2014-01-09 03:31:43 PM  

linda7900: styckx: Girl On Couch: ok - I have actually been following this (happening in my neck of the woods) and a couple of things:

1. this was NOT a "routine operation" - as Dallymo said, she had an adenotonsillectomy, uvulopalatopharyngoplasty and submucous resection of bilateral inferior turbinates to deal with her sleep apnea (the family has never said why they didn't try to treat this with weight loss or other non-surgical procedures, like the use of a CPAP mask - an aggressive operation like this on a child is usually the last resort)

2. The family has been told repeatedly by 6 different doctors that she is brain dead (and that one does not "recover" from brain death)

3. The family's lawyer has repeatedly lied about the existence of facilities willing to accept and care for a corpse - the last one he claimed to express interest was out of NY run by a former beautician who claims this corpse just needs time to heal.

4. Post op - this family was in the room encouraging the girl to speak, eat and drink (specifically forbidden by the doctors as it might rupture her delicate stitches); additionally the grandmother admits suctioning blood out of the girl's mouth in post op but claimed it was ok - she knew what she was doing because she's a nurse (she's an LVN and has repeatedly exaggerated her licensing and training in the local media)

5. The family created a go fund me page for transport and treatment of this corpse (last I read they had over $50k in donations)

6. At least one doctor has testified that due to the brain inactivity (both brain and brain stem) the corpse is no longer regulating food, etc. (no reason it needs a feeding tube) and that the inside of the bowels are starting to slough off through stools.

I'm not calling you a liar.. Actually I love this post. I just wish you linked sources (especially about the parents at her beside doing everything they aren't supposed to be doing)

Here is the transcript from Doctor Flori at Children's Hospital Oakland:
h ...


Thanks for posting - I'm at work now (fools are actually wanting me to work - wtf?) and haven't had time to grab citations, etc....
 
2014-01-09 03:32:25 PM  

styckx: You rule.. Thank you.. That makes this entire thing more sick.. Paints a good picture of how this girl really is a decomposing cold lump of flesh at this point.


I live less than a mile from Childrens Hospital, lots of local coverage.  The worst part is some of the interviews that have been done with some of the nursing staff- how completely demoralizing and horrifying it was for them to have to handle and care for a corpse due to the court order. No links for these, sorry.

and yes, she hemorrhaged 3 days post-op while her family was visiting. the *rumor* is that the family had brought in some solid food for her, which caused her stitches to tear which led to the hemorrhage (and brain death).
 
2014-01-09 03:33:09 PM  

Ghastly: lennavan:  I just don't get the mentality of older people who seem full of life saying "just let me go."  Maybe it's because I'm not religious -- this is all we get.

You live, you have a family, you have a career, you watch your kids grow and have families of their own, friends come into your life, friends go out of your life and if in your golden years you can say "You know, I've had a pretty damned good run if I go now I've got nothing to complain about".

And if you're living in a home with people who are on their last lap and you watch them all go before you and you realize some of them go bad. They have a stroke, or a heart attack that leaves them a mere shadow of what they were and linger on until the inevitable. They watch people suffer dementia and have everything they were stolen from them bit by bit until only a raving stranger is left inhabiting their body. Well a person can get to thinking there are worse things than living a good life and then dropping dead from a heart attack, much worse things. I've had a damn good run.


Indeed.
 
2014-01-09 03:36:30 PM  

NutWrench: Sgt.Zim: Ghastly: And by "improving" we mean we've stabilized her condition so we can keep riding this cash potato indefinitely. Ka-ching! Ka-ching!

Or at least until the insurance company pulls the plug.

From another article I've read, they've got a donation fund going, and it's already well ahead.  She'll be kept ... functioning ... for quite some time.

It's sick; our "reverence for life" is way out of control.

I'll be surprised if she makes it to the end of the month. The brain produces hormones that regulate blood pressure and body temperature and the brain stem handles all our autonomic functions, like peristalses, which moves food along through the digestive system. When the brain is completely dead, those functions don't work anymore. Infections and organ shutdown are inevitable

The PDF I linked to earlier is the legal transcript from the doctor who handled Javi McMath's case and it sums up her reasons why Javi should not get the tracheostomy and feeding tube. It's pretty grim reading.


Jesus.  It says she's starting to get rigor mortis.  Creepy.
 
2014-01-09 03:39:13 PM  

angry bunny: Girl On Couch:

Bottom line - this family is beyond grieving - they are parasitic scum who want to raise money for "the care" of their dead kid - they are playing on right to lifer's ignorance.  I just wonder how long they'll keep this charade up as the corpse is already starting to decay

So any attempt by parents of dead girl to hold on to hope makes them parasitic scum?  What if for the sake of argument we say that the hospital that performed the operation that ultimately led to the child's death has a monetary interest in seeing her die die (as opposed to just brain dead die).  You see if medical care is being provided for that child they may theoretically be liable to pay for every bit of that.  If she were to pass away entirely there would be no continuing cost of care to factor into a settlement.  Are they now parasitic scum that just want to save the inevitable lawsuit payment from having another zero attached to it?  You essentially present the exact same argument to condemn the parents in this action.  Why is the hospital getting a pass?

Let me help you out with question of whether the hospital or the family is full of fiends. the answer is likely NO.  Faulting these parents for making a decision based more on grief than rational thought might be ok, but saying that they are making a decision solely for financial gain is outrageous without one shred of evidence to corroborate that allegation.  Saying that a hospital is somehow conspiring to kill this child is also crazy town.  They might have farked up and here inevitable death may end up making that fark up cost far less than it would otherwise, but there's no conspiracy to kill kill (as opposed to just brain dead kill) this girl.

In conclusion, your assumption that a grieving family is a group of terrible humans is probably more an internal reflection upon the speaker than an objective assessment of the situation.


No - what makes them parasitic scum is that they are using their daughter's death with this obscene promise of "life" (and that's what it is) to raise money when they have to know full well she will NOT be making any sort of recovery.

To borrow an old phrase familiar to most Farkers: study it out....read the local news reports that have been coming in over the last month and see with your own eyes the deceptive and ridiculous circus environment they created with the help of their grifter attorney.
 
2014-01-09 03:39:29 PM  
Collection of a few posts here:

So the brain is dead and the body can no longer process food but the new hospital has placed a feeding tube in her.

Does this sound like a problem to anyone?
 
2014-01-09 03:40:01 PM  
Three doctors determined Jahi is dead due to brain death, but her family believes that she is alive because her heart and lungs are functioning

I'm guessing low education and lots of time spent in church.
 
2014-01-09 03:40:32 PM  

JohnTuttle: nekom: it was also to remove tissue to treat sleep apnea

Well, screw getting that surgery. I'll stick with having air forced down my nose every night, thankyouverymuch.


My dad got the surgery, and after hearing how painful it was, I'm glad to be breathing with a machine at night.
 
2014-01-09 03:40:45 PM  

monoski: Collection of a few posts here:

So the brain is dead and the body can no longer process food but the new hospital has placed a feeding tube in her.

Does this sound like a problem to anyone?


Yep and it's gonna start smelling like a problem to those around this corpse pretty soon....
 
2014-01-09 03:41:15 PM  
Mystery Vortex:
Even a doctor or scientis might find themselves unable to let go of a daughter that had her whole life ahead of her.
This family doesn't need ridicule. Let them hold onto her body in that state as long as they need to. It's part of the grieving process and eventually they will be ready to turn off the machines. It's not like the girl is suffering in the meantime.


Well, that's the one saving grace here.  But it's still using a lot of medical resources on a total lost cause that could be better allocated to help someone who isn't quite literally dead.  As for whether this is better or worse for the family, I don't know.  Medically speaking this is absurd.  Emotionally speaking, who knows.
 
2014-01-09 03:42:35 PM  
Raise your hand if you submitted this story with a better headline.

I hate being this guy, because I hate this guy. My HL wasn't super funny, and this story isn't funny, but my headline was better. I am going to ban myself for a couple of weeks. Maybe my mojo is off.

By the way, the lawyer is a scumbag.
 
2014-01-09 03:43:27 PM  

linda7900: and yes, she hemorrhaged 3 days post-op while her family was visiting. the *rumor* is that the family had brought in some solid food for her, which caused her stitches to tear which led to the hemorrhage (and brain death).


I hope there is security camera footage, and they can arrest the parents for negligence and child endangerment.
 
2014-01-09 03:45:13 PM  

Anayalator: Raise your hand if you submitted this story with a better headline.

I hate being this guy, because I hate this guy. My HL wasn't super funny, and this story isn't funny, but my headline was better. I am going to ban myself for a couple of weeks. Maybe my mojo is off.

By the way, the lawyer is a scumbag.


Ha ha, my headline got greenlighted.

BTW, which one was yours?
 
2014-01-09 03:46:42 PM  

LemSkroob: linda7900: and yes, she hemorrhaged 3 days post-op while her family was visiting. the *rumor* is that the family had brought in some solid food for her, which caused her stitches to tear which led to the hemorrhage (and brain death).

I hope there is security camera footage, and they can arrest the parents for negligence and child endangerment.


Right now the hospital can't rebut or show any evidence like that due to HIPPA constraints.  So this family (and their scumbag attorney) has basically just had an open forum to make up their own reality....  It's really been weird to watch unfold.
 
2014-01-09 03:48:59 PM  
Just needs one of these...

img.fark.net

/seriously, though, it's going to be horrifying to the family when the decomposition starts accelerating
 
2014-01-09 03:49:51 PM  

namegoeshere: xanadian: So, I must've missed the article that explained how a f*#%ing routine operation like a tonsillectomy turned this girl into a vegetable.  Too much blood loss?  Crazy-ass brain-eating infection?  God was at His computer that day?

From what we know, which isn't much, it was extensive bleeding. We will not know more than that until the dust from the lawsuit settles, if then.


IIRC, there was an article posted to Fark that alleged the family was giving her solid food not long after surgery.

I will attempt to find it, but I am mobile Farking.
 
2014-01-09 03:53:17 PM  

Sgt.Zim: Ghastly: And by "improving" we mean we've stabilized her condition so we can keep riding this cash potato indefinitely. Ka-ching! Ka-ching!

Or at least until the insurance company pulls the plug.

From another article I've read, they've got a donation fund going, and it's already well ahead.  She'll be kept ... functioning ... for quite some time.

It's sick; our "reverence for life" is way out of control.


Well you know what they say. You can't get blood from a stone but you can milk a vegetable.
 
2014-01-09 03:57:29 PM  
If she wakes up I'm stocking up on canned goods and bullets.
 
2014-01-09 03:57:56 PM  
I got this

images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-01-09 04:01:51 PM  

Girl On Couch: ok - I have actually been following this (happening in my neck of the woods) and a couple of things:

1. this was NOT a "routine operation" - as Dallymo said, she had an adenotonsillectomy, uvulopalatopharyngoplasty and submucous resection of bilateral inferior turbinates to deal with her sleep apnea (the family has never said why they didn't try to treat this with weight loss or other non-surgical procedures, like the use of a CPAP mask - an aggressive operation like this on a child is usually the last resort)

2. The family has been told repeatedly by 6 different doctors that she is brain dead (and that one does not "recover" from brain death)

3. The family's lawyer has repeatedly lied about the existence of facilities willing to accept and care for a corpse - the last one he claimed to express interest was out of NY run by a former beautician who claims this corpse just needs time to heal.

4. Post op - this family was in the room encouraging the girl to speak, eat and drink (specifically forbidden by the doctors as it might rupture her delicate stitches); additionally the grandmother admits suctioning blood out of the girl's mouth in post op but claimed it was ok - she knew what she was doing because she's a nurse (she's an LVN and has repeatedly exaggerated her licensing and training in the local media)

5. The family created a go fund me page for transport and treatment of this corpse (last I read they had over $50k in donations)

6. At least one doctor has testified that due to the brain inactivity (both brain and brain stem) the corpse is no longer regulating food, etc. (no reason it needs a feeding tube) and that the inside of the bowels are starting to slough off through stools.

Bottom line - this family is beyond grieving - they are parasitic scum who want to raise money for "the care" of their dead kid - they are playing on right to lifer's ignorance.  I just wonder how long they'll keep this charade up as the corpse is already starting to decay (under ...


At first, i wanted to slap the shiat out of this family for not listening to the doctors about the fact that the poor kid is no. Coming. BACK.

Now I just want to slap the shiat out of this family for being stupid.

Empathy? You want empathy? No. They lost that from me when they started doing STUPID shiat IN POST OP.

When her tongue falls out during a routine suction (this happens to brain dead people, folks, they are DEAD and they ROT) maybe they'll reconsider. UGH.
 
2014-01-09 04:02:46 PM  

xanadian: So, I must've missed the article that explained how a f*#%ing routine operation like a tonsillectomy turned this girl into a vegetable.  Too much blood loss?  Crazy-ass brain-eating infection?  God was at His computer that day?


I have a co-worker whose young niece died under similar circumstances. It turned out she had some sort of genetic condition that affected blood clotting and would only be a problem with a major injury or surgery. After that the whole family (including extended family) got tested and more had it but didn't know.
 
2014-01-09 04:03:53 PM  
I had a friend back in high school who was hit by a car.  After a day and a half they determined that there was blood actively flowing to less than a third of his brain.  His parents - god, his poor parents - had a long talk with the doctors about not only what his chances of survival were, but what, exactly, constituted "survival" in his case.  And at the end of that talk, they said their goodbyes, ordered the cessation of life support, and signed the papers to donate his organs.

Years later, I heard them explain their reasoning: that even though there was a chance that he would ultimately remain physically (and legally) alive, the damage to his brain was so extensive that the bright, ephemeral thing that made Charles  Charles was already gone.  Their son was not defined by his body, but by his sense of humor, his kindness, his curiosity, his dedication and honesty.  The body could have lived on, but the essence of their son was dead.

He was their only child.

/talking about Charles always kicks up the dust
 
2014-01-09 04:05:44 PM  
I'm starting to see the types who probably "donated" money to keep her alive.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-09 04:07:39 PM  

nekom: Just an awful situation.  No winners here.


No way I can "snark" this. All she was and ever will be is gone. Her body doesn't apparently realize that.

sad
 
2014-01-09 04:11:39 PM  

styckx: Sgt.Zim: Ghastly: And by "improving" we mean we've stabilized her condition so we can keep riding this cash potato indefinitely. Ka-ching! Ka-ching!

Or at least until the insurance company pulls the plug.

From another article I've read, they've got a donation fund going, and it's already well ahead.  She'll be kept ... functioning ... for quite some time.

It's sick; our "reverence for life" is way out of control.

Who the fark is donating all this cash to keep a corpse "alive"? That's even more sick.. What the hell is wrong with this country?


Ignorance. That's all. Just ignorance.

Most people don't know a damned thing about medical terminology, much less the difference between coma and brain death.
 
2014-01-09 04:12:36 PM  

styckx: I'm starting to see the types who probably "donated" money to keep her alive.

[i.imgur.com image 647x263]


When I picture this "miracle", I'm picturing a scene from Pet Sematary.
 
2014-01-09 04:16:31 PM  

Girl On Couch: LemSkroob: linda7900: and yes, she hemorrhaged 3 days post-op while her family was visiting. the *rumor* is that the family had brought in some solid food for her, which caused her stitches to tear which led to the hemorrhage (and brain death).

I hope there is security camera footage, and they can arrest the parents for negligence and child endangerment.

Right now the hospital can't rebut or show any evidence like that due to HIPPA constraints.  So this family (and their scumbag attorney) has basically just had an open forum to make up their own reality....  It's really been weird to watch unfold.


I read in an article, not on Fark, that the hospital has basically said "we wish we could show you her charts/records, but HIPAA..."

I can't imagine what it would be like to lose a child, but when one of her attending physicians notes the presence of early rigor, it's time to let go.

I've seen bodies in various states of decomposition (yay internship); I wonder if they'll realize at skin slip/gas bloat stage?

Also, hasn't grandma gone from LPN to RN to CNA and back again in interviews? Why the fark was she suctioning blood in post-op?! Jesus FARK I would've been PISSED if I was the post-op RN!!

/pre-nursing student
 
2014-01-09 04:17:54 PM  

Lachwen: the bright, ephemeral thing that made Charles Charles was already gone. Their son was not defined by his body, but by his sense of humor, his kindness, his curiosity, his dedication and honesty. The body could have lived on, but the essence of their son was dead.


Lachwen: /talking about Charles always kicks up the dust


A lot of dust apparently because some of it got over here.
 
2014-01-09 04:18:29 PM  
This guy too. Unfortunately, his family doesn't have a team of lawyers prepping for a big lawsuit.

i.historyorb.com
 
2014-01-09 04:18:31 PM  
Feh. What do doctors know? Just because they have years of expensive medical education and on-the-job training, that doesn't mean they know more than the rest of us about medicine.

Everything we need to know about medicine we can learn from "ER," "House" and "Gray's Anatomy."
 
2014-01-09 04:20:10 PM  

The Evil Home Brewer: nekom: Just an awful situation.  No winners here.

No way I can "snark" this. All she was and ever will be is gone. Her body doesn't apparently realize that.

sad


Actually, her body does realize it. It'd be "dead dead" if not for the medical interventions keeping her "kinda dead."
 
2014-01-09 04:25:50 PM  

nekom: Mystery Vortex:
Even a doctor or scientis might find themselves unable to let go of a daughter that had her whole life ahead of her.
This family doesn't need ridicule. Let them hold onto her body in that state as long as they need to. It's part of the grieving process and eventually they will be ready to turn off the machines. It's not like the girl is suffering in the meantime.

Well, that's the one saving grace here.  But it's still using a lot of medical resources on a total lost cause that could be better allocated to help someone who isn't quite literally dead.  As for whether this is better or worse for the family, I don't know.  Medically speaking this is absurd.  Emotionally speaking, who knows.


The way I see it is, if they are forced to unplug her, it will further traumatized them requiring therapy and medication, both of which will also cost money and use medical resources. As for the point some others posed about organ donation, her body is too far gone now for the organs to be any good. I believe after brain death occurs the time which organs can be harvested for transplant is only a few hours before slow breakdown begins to occur.
 
2014-01-09 04:26:14 PM  

Lachwen: I had a friend back in high school who was hit by a car.  After a day and a half they determined that there was blood actively flowing to less than a third of his brain.  His parents - god, his poor parents - had a long talk with the doctors about not only what his chances of survival were, but what, exactly, constituted "survival" in his case.  And at the end of that talk, they said their goodbyes, ordered the cessation of life support, and signed the papers to donate his organs.

Years later, I heard them explain their reasoning: that even though there was a chance that he would ultimately remain physically (and legally) alive, the damage to his brain was so extensive that the bright, ephemeral thing that made Charles  Charles was already gone.  Their son was not defined by his body, but by his sense of humor, his kindness, his curiosity, his dedication and honesty.  The body could have lived on, but the essence of their son was dead.

He was their only child.

/talking about Charles always kicks up the dust


An invisible ninja is chopping onions in my vicinity. So very sorry about your friend, but your second paragraph was very well-said and touching.

Couldn't imagine losing either (or both) of my children. You would have a hard time convincing me that life was worth living.

/has a big sad
 
2014-01-09 04:26:53 PM  
What I want to know is..

How can a hospital full of trained professionals shove a feeding tube in a girl that digestive track... For lack of a better term is melting and no longer functioning..
 
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