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(CNN)   Toddler from expletive filled video removed from the home. When asked to comment, the boy replied "I do believe this is a travesty. In due time, the truth will come out, and my loving family will be absolved of any wrong doing." (paraphrased)   (cnn.com) divider line 77
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2014-01-09 11:19:46 AM  
11 votes:

Barfmaker: Umm...is everyone a little prissy and prudish or is my moral/ethical compass totally broken?

It just doesn't seem like much of a huge deal to me.


While I agreee that the world's moral and ethical compasses lean more to the prudish side, the parents were repeatedly calling their child a pussy biatch, laughing in his face, and encouraging him to join a gang.  I think the face that that is OK to you speaks more about your moral compass than the world's.
2014-01-09 10:26:30 AM  
8 votes:

Barfmaker: Umm...is everyone a little prissy and prudish or is my moral/ethical compass totally broken?

It just doesn't seem like much of a huge deal to me.


I just don't see where teaching a 2 year old kid to say "suck my dick" (and that's the tamer stuff) is a good thing.
2014-01-09 12:03:27 PM  
5 votes:
Here's what may have/probably happened:

Video->Posting on Internet->Re-posting by police->Concerned Citizen calls police->Police pass complain to Social Services->Social Services is reasonably suspicious abuse may be occurring based upon video, and investigates->Social Services goes to home, finds things that are of imminent danger and harm to children->Children are removed from home.

What probably didn't happen:

Video->Posting on Internet->Nazi's break down doors and point guns at everyone and steal the children->Police claim victory and shag the dead hookers they keep in evidence locker along with the blow.

You MAY BE SURPRISED TO LEARN there's a process for these things. I'm as big a cop and government hater as the next guy, but FFS people, THINK: this is what they chose to show the world. What do you think was found in the house when Social Services visited that they were hiding?
2014-01-09 11:50:35 AM  
5 votes:

Barfmaker: Lor M. Ipsum: Barfmaker: Umm...is everyone a little prissy and prudish or is my moral/ethical compass totally broken?

It just doesn't seem like much of a huge deal to me.

While I agreee that the world's moral and ethical compasses lean more to the prudish side, the parents were repeatedly calling their child a pussy biatch, laughing in his face, and encouraging him to join a gang.  I think the face that that is OK to you speaks more about your moral compass than the world's.

I never said that it's okay...let me try this again. The blowback seems disproportionate. The reactions seem to have more in common with hysteria than with a reasonable, effective response.

While I think the behaviour that led to this is certainly questionable, it just doesn't seem to be "take the children away" material unless something else was going on.

What's happening seems like a shame reaction.

Or, I am completely misreading it...which could be.


Well, it could be that the state agency did its due diligence and found evidence of negligence on the part of the household against the child and proceeded with legal action to remove the child from the home. Meanwhile the internet and media have latched on to the "cursing toddler" aspect of the story because it's salacious and that's all we are hearing about, so it just seems like it's an over-reaction. Or it's a legitimate over-reaction.
2014-01-09 11:49:12 AM  
5 votes:
So...does this mean that authorities are going to remove the children of Westboro Baptist Church members? Because it's hard to imagine an example of someone teaching their kids more awful and reprehensible things than those people do.
2014-01-09 12:02:33 PM  
4 votes:

Barfmaker: While I think the behaviour that led to this is certainly questionable, it just doesn't seem to be "take the children away" material unless something else was going on.


I completely agree with you.  Bad parenting isn't against the law, nor should it be.  This is clearly bad parenting but it does not violate any law.

That said, it seems something else was going on.  I searched around for other articles and they all had a version of "The joint investigation found safety concerns" in it.

This behavior warranted child welfare people to knock on their door.  I'm okay with that.  When they got there, they found other problems that warranted taking the children away.
2014-01-09 12:39:59 PM  
3 votes:

flynn80: Why are words about human sexuality considered explict?  I'm sorry your phoney religous morality has brainwashed you but language is beautiful even when cruel, like nature.


I am an atheist and this subject has a lot more to do with COMMON SENSE than morality or freedom of speech.  If you LOVE your children, you treat them with respect and you teach them to respect others.

All of you who don't see a problem with this need to get real and ask yourself if you want YOUR kids to talk like this.  And if you don't have kids and don't have a problem with it, please go get a vasectomy or get your tubes tied.
2014-01-09 12:18:28 PM  
3 votes:
In this thread now:  "State had no reason!  Fascism!  Prudes!  Parent's rights!  Other cultures are worse!"

10 years from now: "That poor child.  Why didn't someone do something?  He never stood a chance.  All the warning signs were there"  after he's doing 15 to life.

Stereotypes aren't prescient unless they are.
2014-01-09 12:06:06 PM  
3 votes:
Video isn't enough to take a kid away.

Enough to have CPS up that families ass? Yep.
2014-01-09 11:53:23 AM  
3 votes:

theflatline: I do not care what color the child is, it should be given a chance in an environment where expletives are not learned before ABCs.



So, it's okay for me to teach my kids that gays are bad and sinful and have an evil agenda to destroy marriage... or that science is of the devil and the world is only 6000 years old... as long as I teach them to say 'poo' instead of 'shiat' when referring to feces?
2014-01-09 11:50:34 AM  
3 votes:
This is not a good enough reason to take a kid away from his parents. Sorry.
2014-01-09 11:46:11 AM  
3 votes:

Lor M. Ipsum: Barfmaker: Umm...is everyone a little prissy and prudish or is my moral/ethical compass totally broken?

It just doesn't seem like much of a huge deal to me.

While I agreee that the world's moral and ethical compasses lean more to the prudish side, the parents were repeatedly calling their child a pussy biatch, laughing in his face, and encouraging him to join a gang.  I think the face that that is OK to you speaks more about your moral compass than the world's.



How is it any worse than klan kids or parents raising their kids in crazy-ass Bible-thumper households?

Short of physical abuse, neglect or extreme emotionally-scarring torment, do parents have a right to raise their kids as they see fit, or not?

I don't agree with this, but I don't agree with a lot of shiat parents do to their kids... should they all have their children removed?
2014-01-09 11:44:51 AM  
3 votes:
The standard where I live is imminent risk of harm to the child. Without knowing more than just what's on the video, I see no argument I can make to demonstrate risk of harm to remove the child. There's a lot we don't know that could lead family services stepping in, but from the video itself, I see nothing that meets that standard. That being said, it's pretty deplorable. There's a world of difference between a baby hearing their dad exclaim "Shiat!" after hitting his thumb with a hammer, and repeating it, and teaching a child that this is acceptable behavior.

Ultimately, this: 

To The Escape Zeppelin!: I hate to say it but you should have every right to teach your kid to curse like a sailor.

2014-01-09 11:35:26 AM  
3 votes:
But Honey Boo Boo is a top ranked television show.
2014-01-09 11:33:19 AM  
3 votes:
All cultures are equal.
2014-01-09 01:10:34 PM  
2 votes:

here to help: You'll notice the racists and Fark "libertarians" don't want this kid taken away. For the former it's because they have no interest in helping solve the problems in the black community because then they wouldn't have these types of incidents to point to feed their prejudices. For the latter it's because they want poors and criminals to stay exactly where they are in life and for them to continue the cycle so they can feel more smug about their own bootstrappiness.

There is of course a crossover between these two mindsets.

It's why they pumped the ghettos full of heroin to put down the Black Panthers movement. Can't have black people being all sober and intelligent. They might make something out of themselves. It is a frightening prospect because they think they black people will treat them exactly how they have been treated.

At this point they are probably right. Should have just stopped being assholes to them after slavery ended or at the very least after the civil rights movement... but you just had to keep poking at them and f*cking with them. Now you've got a large segment of the population jaded, angry and not giving a f*ck.

Well done, retards.



You know, I don't think you're here to help at all.
2014-01-09 01:06:10 PM  
2 votes:

OnlyM3: digitalrain [TotalFark]

I just don't see where teaching a 2 year old kid to say "suck my dick" (and that's the tamer stuff) is a good thing. I don't think anyone is making that argument.

I think the point is sending armed gunmen to abduct said child is exponentially worse.

It's not the state's farking business.

// correction, it shouldn't be the state's farking business.


Depends. Will you say it's not the State's business when the kid is 16, in juvie for his 4th felony, and his mom's popped out 3 more for welfare?

Farkers are always complaining - and rightly, I might add - that a child's background and circumstance are critical in them becoming well-adjusted members of society. Here's a case where the State stepped in as soon as they had a reason, and now you're screaming "omg overreaction!"

So which is it - perfectly ok to raise them however so long as they have food, clothing, and shelter, or does society have a vested interest in other aspects of how children are raised?
2014-01-09 01:05:36 PM  
2 votes:
You'll notice the racists and Fark "libertarians" don't want this kid taken away. For the former it's because they have no interest in helping solve the problems in the black community because then they wouldn't have these types of incidents to point to feed their prejudices. For the latter it's because they want poors and criminals to stay exactly where they are in life and for them to continue the cycle so they can feel more smug about their own bootstrappiness.

There is of course a crossover between these two mindsets.

It's why they pumped the ghettos full of heroin to put down the Black Panthers movement. Can't have black people being all sober and intelligent. They might make something out of themselves. It is a frightening prospect because they think they black people will treat them exactly how they have been treated.

At this point they are probably right. Should have just stopped being assholes to them after slavery ended or at the very least after the civil rights movement... but you just had to keep poking at them and f*cking with them. Now you've got a large segment of the population jaded, angry and not giving a f*ck.

Well done, retards.
2014-01-09 12:46:09 PM  
2 votes:

AngryDragon: In this thread now:  "State had no reason!  Fascism!  Prudes!  Parent's rights!  Other cultures are worse!"

10 years from now: "That poor child.  Why didn't someone do something?  He never stood a chance.  All the warning signs were there"  after he's doing 15 to life.



This. CPS really can't win. What a demoralizing job that must be.

If you take kids away, shiatty parents go to the media crying about how they love their kids and want them back. If you leave them in the home and they OD on some drugs they found discarded under the couch or end up being killed by their skank mom's latest boyfriend, or they're found a few years later alone in a filthy, vermin-infested "home" with no food or means to get food, CPS is a bunch of lazy assholes who don't care about kids and stand by while helpless children are abused by their parents.

CPS needs people who care, but I understand why they have trouble finding them. It would only take a few months of being criticized no matter what I did before I'd say "fark it" and go find a more fulfilling, meaningful job at McDonald's.
2014-01-09 12:43:17 PM  
2 votes:

lennavan: Smelly Pirate Hooker: I would be shocked - SHOCKED - to find out that parents who videotape their cursing toddler (to the amusement and encouragement of the parents/other adults) may not be maintaining an exemplary home environment for said toddler, free of threats to that toddler's health and/or life.

I would be shocked if any toddler on earth lives in a home free of threats to that toddler's health and/or life.  I get your point, I just think you set the bar at the wrong height.


In the video, yes the bar is set at the wrong height. This is what they chose to show the world. Once Social Services did a surprise welfare check, as is completely understandable, to determine the conditions of the home in which the children are kept, it's reasonable to believe what they chose to not show the world, and keep in their homes, was much worse. No, this video isn't enough to remove children from a home, but it IS enough to solicit a welfare check. We don't know what they found because they usually can't discuss an ongoing investigation or open case.
2014-01-09 12:35:25 PM  
2 votes:

Bumblefark: JesusJuice: Bumblefark: JesusJuice: crab66: This is not a good enough reason to take a kid away from his parents. Sorry.

And it's NOT the reason CPS took the kids. The kids were taken because of safety concerns unrelated to the video.

You and everyone else repeating that the kid was taken because of the video have some serious reading comprehension problems.

*wink*

/that's bureaucrat-speak for, "hold on while we come up with a legally defensible reason for taking the kids."

You have personal knowledge of this case? Please enlighten us. I'd hate to think you're just talking out your ass.

You're adorable.


That's your response..? THAT'S adorable. Instead of doing something intelligent and saying "you know what, you're right. I DON'T have any clue as to what ACTUALLY HAPPENED in the house, and even though at first glance I thought it was just a heavy handed tactic from the government I realize I was mistaken because it's magnitudes more likely that the chain of events wasn't that the police saw a video and simply took the kids."

Dude, if you're going to call anyone "adorable" and try to make them look stupid, you should really do some research into how the system actually works, and not how you perceive it to work. Then, when you DO call someone adorable, it really DOES make them look like a flailing idiot, rather than being an exercise in projection.

Bless your heart. *pats you on the head*

/That's how it's done.
2014-01-09 12:27:42 PM  
2 votes:
Bumblefark:

*wink*

/that's bureaucrat-speak for, "hold on while we come up with a legally defensible reason for taking the kids."


I have three drawers full of cases where we had to "come up with a legally defensible reason for taking the kids." And you often don't have to look very hard, because more often than not, something like this is the tip of the iceberg and when CPS gets into that house they find that mom loves to smoke weed or has a lengthy criminal record, or dad has a lengthy criminal record or a history of domestic violence, or this isn't mom's first run-in with CPS and there are already protective orders on this kid.
And then mom, sits at the other table next to her attorney crying that "she just wants her kids back" and dad is next to her with his attorney saying "I'm gonna fight this and stand strong for my kids."
There are hundreds of reasons to remove children from shiatty parents and none of them involve a kid saying bad words.
2014-01-09 12:12:27 PM  
2 votes:

Ivandrago: Witty Comment: Here's what may have/probably happened:

Video->Posting on Internet->Re-posting by police->Concerned Citizen calls police->Police pass complain to Social Services->Social Services is reasonably suspicious abuse may be occurring based upon video, and investigates->Social Services goes to home, finds things that are of imminent danger and harm to children->Children are removed from home.

I'm willing to bet that this is exactly what happened.
If a CPS worked called my office and said "We have this video of a child using bad words and we'd like an emergency order removing the child from the custody of the parents." I would tell them that no magistrate or judge is going to sign off on that. If CPS went to the house based on the video and saw that the house was filthy or that the child was left home alone or that drugs were open and visible in the house, that's enough.
The video is enough to get an investigation, but not enough for a removal.


Guns and Drugs and signs of Gang and Criminal Activity.

Anyone want to bet me on that??
2014-01-09 12:11:41 PM  
2 votes:

crab66: This is not a good enough reason to take a kid away from his parents. Sorry.


And it's NOT the reason CPS took the kids. The kids were taken because of safety concerns unrelated to the video.

You and everyone else repeating that the kid was taken because of the video have some serious reading comprehension problems.
2014-01-09 12:00:53 PM  
2 votes:

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: The adults laugh and prompt him to repeat other crudities.

Mmmm... crudites

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What kind of a bullshiat dip is that with those crudites? it looks like pureed tomatoes and old mayo.
2014-01-09 11:50:27 AM  
2 votes:

technicolor-misfit: Lor M. Ipsum: Barfmaker: Umm...is everyone a little prissy and prudish or is my moral/ethical compass totally broken?

It just doesn't seem like much of a huge deal to me.

While I agreee that the world's moral and ethical compasses lean more to the prudish side, the parents were repeatedly calling their child a pussy biatch, laughing in his face, and encouraging him to join a gang.  I think the face that that is OK to you speaks more about your moral compass than the world's.


How is it any worse than klan kids or parents raising their kids in crazy-ass Bible-thumper households?

Short of physical abuse, neglect or extreme emotionally-scarring torment, do parents have a right to raise their kids as they see fit, or not?

I don't agree with this, but I don't agree with a lot of shiat parents do to their kids... should they all have their children removed?


Yes
2014-01-09 11:48:41 AM  
2 votes:

BigNumber12: All cultures are equal.


Disagrees...
~s.wsj.net
2014-01-09 11:47:00 AM  
2 votes:

OnlyM3: digitalrain [TotalFark]

I just don't see where teaching a 2 year old kid to say "suck my dick" (and that's the tamer stuff) is a good thing. I don't think anyone is making that argument.

I think the point is sending armed gunmen to abduct said child is exponentially worse.

It's not the state's farking business.

// correction, it shouldn't be the state's farking business.


As soon as he gets old enough to join a gang, and knock over the corner market. Then it's the state's farking business.
Pretty sure that's where this toddler is headed.
2014-01-09 11:41:28 AM  
2 votes:

Barfmaker: Lor M. Ipsum: Barfmaker: Umm...is everyone a little prissy and prudish or is my moral/ethical compass totally broken?

It just doesn't seem like much of a huge deal to me.

While I agreee that the world's moral and ethical compasses lean more to the prudish side, the parents were repeatedly calling their child a pussy biatch, laughing in his face, and encouraging him to join a gang.  I think the face that that is OK to you speaks more about your moral compass than the world's.

I never said that it's okay...let me try this again. The blowback seems disproportionate. The reactions seem to have more in common with hysteria than with a reasonable, effective response.

While I think the behaviour that led to this is certainly questionable, it just doesn't seem to be "take the children away" material unless something else was going on.

What's happening seems like a shame reaction.

Or, I am completely misreading it...which could be.


I am going to guess that they investigated and found further questionable parenting techniques, other than teaching the kid to throw things and yell expletives while running around in a diaper.  Unless he learned it from Daddy with the only difference is daddy did it in his underwear holding a 40.

I do not care what color the child is, it should be given a chance in an environment where expletives are not learned before ABCs.
2014-01-09 11:39:43 AM  
2 votes:
digitalrain [TotalFark]

I just don't see where teaching a 2 year old kid to say "suck my dick" (and that's the tamer stuff) is a good thing.
I don't think anyone is making that argument.

I think the point is sending armed gunmen to abduct said child is exponentially worse.

It's not the state's farking business.

// correction, it shouldn't be the state's farking business.
2014-01-09 11:37:37 AM  
2 votes:
I hate to say it but you should have every right to teach your kid to curse like a sailor.
2014-01-09 11:34:54 AM  
2 votes:
Omaha, Nebraska: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
2014-01-09 10:02:45 AM  
2 votes:
Umm...is everyone a little prissy and prudish or is my moral/ethical compass totally broken?

It just doesn't seem like much of a huge deal to me.
2014-01-10 03:34:57 AM  
1 votes:
How the fark are all of you "They have no right based on making a kid swear, its funny!" people missing the fact that they are clearly telling the kid to "rep his hood"? Is there nothing wrong with gang indoctrination? Should the big bad popo just forget that part?

"thats why you can't fight p*ssy"  --- because it's cool to instill that violence is a good way to handle things, and that the child is somehow inferior if he doesn't fight..

"what hood you from"  "tell 'em deuce nine n*gga" --- Does this not scream gang affiliation/indoctrination to anybody?

"you thuggin' wit yo diaper on" --- well stated, good sir.. teach the kid early on that "thuggin" is funny and acceptable


but stop calling them thugs you dirty racist! only they can describe themselves as such!
2014-01-09 03:24:19 PM  
1 votes:

IRQ12: PsiChick: crab66: This is not a good enough reason to take a kid away from his parents. Sorry.

Funny, TFA didn't mention why the child was actually taken away. The video only prompted the visit, not the removal, and yes, it's hard to tell if a child's being abused sometimes.

Why would the video prompt a visit?  Ohh I forgot, CPS basically operates off of publicity.

Regardless of what you or I think about the language used it's pretty obvious the adults and the kid are having fun with the whole thing.

The union had zero reason to post the video, it was basically a passive way to say: "look at these savages".


The video prompted a visit because they were swearing at the child and calling him names. Was the kid having fun then? Yes. Was it as fun three hours later when they're not joking and swearing a blue streak at the kid because the kid was playing with a spoon and now they can't find it? Probably not.
2014-01-09 01:37:46 PM  
1 votes:

OnlyM3: Witty Comment

You MAY BE SURPRISED TO LEARN there's a process for these things. I'm as big a cop and government hater as the next guy, but FFS people, THINK: this is what they chose to show the world
Swearing near a kid and a swearing kid are no reasons for the knock the door in the first place.


I agree. However instructing a child on how to be abusive and outright rewarding abusive via emotional feedback behavior do certainly warrant a knock on the door. Those things are not equal. Also, if someone calls a welfare check in, I'm pretty sure they're obligated to investigate, much in the same way when someone calls to report a crime.
2014-01-09 01:36:23 PM  
1 votes:

OnlyM3: // correction, it shouldn't be the state's farking business.



Do you really think that? There is a virtual certainty that this kid will be the "state's business" in just a few years. Given that home environment, how well do you think he will do in school? So the State will have to foot the bill for an individualized education plan after he is diagnosed as having some authority-disorder. By middle school, he will probably be a criminal. So the State will foot the bill to prosecute him, defend him, and then perhaps put him in a prison-school. Throughout this time, he will probably be getting state and federal subsidies for medical care, food, etc... After a few years of that, he will be doing drugs and committing serious criminal offenses, and we will pay to defend, prosecute, and incarcerate him.

So, why in your opinion is it "not the state's farking business" to take steps now to prevent having to pay possibly tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars to take care of things after this kid inevitably starts acting consistent with how he is being raised?
2014-01-09 01:31:25 PM  
1 votes:

OnlyM3: Witty Comment

You MAY BE SURPRISED TO LEARN there's a process for these things. I'm as big a cop and government hater as the next guy, but FFS people, THINK: this is what they chose to show the world
Swearing near a kid and a swearing kid are no reasons for the knock the door in the first place.


is that what you think you saw?  you think a group of adults hurling curse words and telling a toddler that they are basically a worthless bag of skin and never will be worth anything (only much harsher) is no reason for a knock on the door?  where do you draw the line?  is there any words short of death threats that would change your mind?
2014-01-09 01:24:04 PM  
1 votes:

OnlyM3: Witty Comment

You MAY BE SURPRISED TO LEARN there's a process for these things. I'm as big a cop and government hater as the next guy, but FFS people, THINK: this is what they chose to show the world
Swearing near a kid and a swearing kid are no reasons for the knock the door in the first place.



Putting a video online of you teaching a child to swear certainly warrants some attention. And, as noted, if that attention found other dangers to the child, they wouldn't be able to reveal it as details of an ongoing case.
2014-01-09 01:23:45 PM  
1 votes:
Yes. Forcing a 14 year old girl to be in bed by 9:30 pm and threatening her with incarceration if she steps out of line is TOTES the way to ensure she isn't going to end up as a suspension bridge on redtube with multicolored cocks as the guy wires.

lulz
2014-01-09 01:13:19 PM  
1 votes:

Mell of a Hess: BigNumber12: All cultures are equal.

I'm partial to yogurt and occasionally cottage cheese.


Have you tried kefir?  It's good too.  Like halfway between yogurt and milk.
2014-01-09 01:11:10 PM  
1 votes:

cherryl taggart: CPS rarely swoops in and snatches a kid unless there is compelling verified reasons.  (CSB alert)  They showed up at my house once, because I was ranting and raving at my then-teen son.  The neighbor didn't bother to get anything other than the idea that my kid was about to be murdered.  As soon as CPS walked in and discovered that my teen was larger than anyone else in the house and prone to using illicit substances, they understood my screaming at him to stop using or I was going to have him arrested.  He was shocked that they agreed with me that no matter how stupid the drug laws might be, until further notice, obey the damn law.

Just glad he finally got clean and sober.  Well, at least enough to graduate and get out on his own. (/CSB)

Hope this kid goes to a better home.  He needs to be potty trained by this age.


My daughter is 14, she called social services saying I was an unfit parent. I am 31 years old, yeah I made some poor choices in life - but my daughter gets to school every day, has a clean house to live in and food on the table all day long. She through a hissy fit because on school nights her ass is suppose to be home by 8 pm, double check homework is done eat dinner and in bed by 9:30pm. She wanted to hang out at her friends house until 11pm, 5am rolls around rather quick so I said absolutely not on a week day. She claims I never let her "see her friends" except friday and saturday night she has all the time to go out scooty poopin.

Social services showed up, practically laughed at her and left, told me if she acts retarded just call the sheriff and let her stay a weekend in juvi detention. She woke up mighty quick when they said that. It was more then just going out late at night,  I met my wife now and she was having a hard time dealing with the fact her mom was a biatch who left her and me to do some drugs and "forfill her hollywood" dreams, pretty sure she's dead by now but who cares.

I'm glad we got over that hill because it was starting to look like a mountain I wouldn't been able to handle.
2014-01-09 01:00:56 PM  
1 votes:

crzybtch: flynn80: Why are words about human sexuality considered explict?  I'm sorry your phoney religous morality has brainwashed you but language is beautiful even when cruel, like nature.

I am an atheist and this subject has a lot more to do with COMMON SENSE than morality or freedom of speech.  If you LOVE your children, you treat them with respect and you teach them to respect others.

All of you who don't see a problem with this need to get real and ask yourself if you want YOUR kids to talk like this.  And if you don't have kids and don't have a problem with it, please go get a vasectomy or get your tubes tied.


I think most people believe it to be a bad thing, but the video is not enough, by itself, to warrant CPS stepping in.

Bumblefark: Yeah...that was sort of my point. Fact is, they wouldn't have been there in the first place except for the video. I'm guessing that if you walked into any average household, and were hell-bent on finding "safety concerns," you could find them aplenty. So, yes, that does sort of raise legitimate questions about procedural fairness when we're talking about what (and how little) it takes to trigger such an investigation.


Sorry, I mistook it for the usual fark anti-cop, anti-government snark.
I haven't been doing this job for very long, but the worst procedural unfairness I've seen so far is mostly around setting court dates and the fact that the works are often directly at odds with the parents and are also tasked with monitoring them. So when bad blood arises between the two, the worker can have significant say in what happens with the child and the parents attorney is usually fighting an uphill battle at that point.
2014-01-09 12:58:56 PM  
1 votes:

Bane of Broone: Cletus C.: Is there any concern at all about the repeated use of the N word?

No and you still can't say it, cracker. Sorry that being white is so difficult.


Whether you can say it or not has to do with your social standing in a culture not your race,

If you really want to say but feel it might be inappropriate, you could just sing along with the radio while driving to work.
2014-01-09 12:58:23 PM  
1 votes:
CPS rarely swoops in and snatches a kid unless there is compelling verified reasons.  (CSB alert)  They showed up at my house once, because I was ranting and raving at my then-teen son.  The neighbor didn't bother to get anything other than the idea that my kid was about to be murdered.  As soon as CPS walked in and discovered that my teen was larger than anyone else in the house and prone to using illicit substances, they understood my screaming at him to stop using or I was going to have him arrested.  He was shocked that they agreed with me that no matter how stupid the drug laws might be, until further notice, obey the damn law.

Just glad he finally got clean and sober.  Well, at least enough to graduate and get out on his own. (/CSB)

Hope this kid goes to a better home.  He needs to be potty trained by this age.
2014-01-09 12:57:05 PM  
1 votes:

tricycleracer: Omaha, Nebraska: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.


Congress?
2014-01-09 12:56:35 PM  
1 votes:

Bumblefark: Witty Comment: Bumblefark: JesusJuice: Bumblefark: JesusJuice: crab66: This is not a good enough reason to take a kid away from his parents. Sorry.

And it's NOT the reason CPS took the kids. The kids were taken because of safety concerns unrelated to the video.

You and everyone else repeating that the kid was taken because of the video have some serious reading comprehension problems.

*wink*

/that's bureaucrat-speak for, "hold on while we come up with a legally defensible reason for taking the kids."

You have personal knowledge of this case? Please enlighten us. I'd hate to think you're just talking out your ass.

You're adorable.

That's your response..? THAT'S adorable. Instead of doing something intelligent and saying "you know what, you're right. I DON'T have any clue as to what ACTUALLY HAPPENED in the house, and even though at first glance I thought it was just a heavy handed tactic from the government I realize I was mistaken because it's magnitudes more likely that the chain of events wasn't that the police saw a video and simply took the kids."

Dude, if you're going to call anyone "adorable" and try to make them look stupid, you should really do some research into how the system actually works, and not how you perceive it to work. Then, when you DO call someone adorable, it really DOES make them look like a flailing idiot, rather than being an exercise in projection.

Bless your heart. *pats you on the head*

/That's how it's done.

I worked in social services for many years, and was involved in dozens of such cases. But, thanks for the tip.


Thank you for leaving, then.
2014-01-09 12:47:57 PM  
1 votes:

lennavan: Smelly Pirate Hooker: I would be shocked - SHOCKED - to find out that parents who videotape their cursing toddler (to the amusement and encouragement of the parents/other adults) may not be maintaining an exemplary home environment for said toddler, free of threats to that toddler's health and/or life.

I would be shocked if any toddler on earth lives in a home free of threats to that toddler's health and/or life.  I get your point, I just think you set the bar at the wrong height.


Sure. I'll rephrase:

I would be shocked - SHOCKED - to find out that parents who videotape their cursing toddler (to the amusement and encouragement of the parents/other adults) may not be maintaining an exemplary home environment for said toddler, free of significant, immediate threats to that toddler's health and/or life.

I assumed a reasonable person wouldn't need to be told that. My mistake.
2014-01-09 12:44:36 PM  
1 votes:
We're talking Omaha farking Nebraska - it's not like the kid ever had a chance anyway.

/indubitably
2014-01-09 12:36:28 PM  
1 votes:

Barfmaker: Umm...is everyone a little prissy and prudish or is my moral/ethical compass totally broken?

It just doesn't seem like much of a huge deal to me.


thinkingmomsrevolution.com

2014-01-09 12:36:20 PM  
1 votes:
I would be shocked - SHOCKED - to find out that parents who videotape their cursing toddler (to the amusement and encouragement of the parents/other adults) may not be maintaining an exemplary home environment for said toddler, free of threats to that toddler's health and/or life.

SHOCKED, I say ...
2014-01-09 12:32:52 PM  
1 votes:

Bane of Broone: Cletus C.: Is there any concern at all about the repeated use of the N word?

No and you still can't say it, cracker. Sorry that being white is so difficult.


It's not white people who make black people look bad.
2014-01-09 12:30:15 PM  
1 votes:

please: I used to live in a very racially mixed and immigrant dominated neighborhood of Detroit.  Whenever I would walk up to the corner store I'd pass a building with a stoop full of diaper wearing black toddlers who would always run inside screaming "white man!  white man!" when I passed by.  Then the mom would glare out the window.  Good times.

/csb


What's the exact difference between "racially mixed" and "very racially mixed"?
2014-01-09 12:29:45 PM  
1 votes:

Bane of Broone: Sorry that being white is so difficult.


Eh, it's not always so bad...we can't jump, and we have no rhythm, but the police leave us alone, we have decent credit, and we know our fathers.
2014-01-09 12:25:36 PM  
1 votes:

Cletus C.: Is there any concern at all about the repeated use of the N word?


No and you still can't say it, cracker. Sorry that being white is so difficult.
2014-01-09 12:25:21 PM  
1 votes:
Good. I'm sorry but just because there is no physical violence occurring doesn't mean it's not child abuse. Psychological abuse can be just as bad if not worse then getting the crap beat out of you let alone actively encouraging a child to become a criminal. I just hope they got him out of there in time and DON'T put him with another set of assholes within the foster parent/adoption system.

Sadly I don't think the odds are good for this little fella.

And it's so nice the Fark racists get to have their little feeding frenzy for the day. Dicks.
2014-01-09 12:24:54 PM  
1 votes:

firefly212: Does the Omaha PD regularly post videos of what it believes to be child abuse, or is it only when the defendants are blah?


Except that the kid's uncle was the one who Boobiesed it online. Congrats, it's now public, and you don't get to whine when the police find it.

Funny, how much people looooove using the public internet to spread their bragging far and wide, right up until it comes back to bite them in the ass. Then it's OUTRAGEOUS when other people share their PRIVATE INFORMATION.
2014-01-09 12:21:38 PM  
1 votes:
The part that really bothered me was the 'racism' outcry and lawsuits against the union for posting the video. Of all the people involved in the video, the people taping themselves were the only racists I saw (but since they were black, they can't be racist which means i must be one.)
Hell, nowadays you have to make sure the people stealing your car are not black before calling the cops, just to be sure you aren't committing a hate crime by reporting them.
2014-01-09 12:20:27 PM  
1 votes:

Bumblefark: JesusJuice: crab66: This is not a good enough reason to take a kid away from his parents. Sorry.

And it's NOT the reason CPS took the kids. The kids were taken because of safety concerns unrelated to the video.

You and everyone else repeating that the kid was taken because of the video have some serious reading comprehension problems.

*wink*

/that's bureaucrat-speak for, "hold on while we come up with a legally defensible reason for taking the kids."


You have personal knowledge of this case? Please enlighten us. I'd hate to think you're just talking out your ass.
2014-01-09 12:19:16 PM  
1 votes:

JesusJuice: crab66: This is not a good enough reason to take a kid away from his parents. Sorry.

And it's NOT the reason CPS took the kids. The kids were taken because of safety concerns unrelated to the video.

You and everyone else repeating that the kid was taken because of the video have some serious reading comprehension problems.


*wink*

/that's bureaucrat-speak for, "hold on while we come up with a legally defensible reason for taking the kids."
2014-01-09 12:08:40 PM  
1 votes:

Witty Comment: Here's what may have/probably happened:

Video->Posting on Internet->Re-posting by police->Concerned Citizen calls police->Police pass complain to Social Services->Social Services is reasonably suspicious abuse may be occurring based upon video, and investigates->Social Services goes to home, finds things that are of imminent danger and harm to children->Children are removed from home.


I'm willing to bet that this is exactly what happened.
If a CPS worked called my office and said "We have this video of a child using bad words and we'd like an emergency order removing the child from the custody of the parents." I would tell them that no magistrate or judge is going to sign off on that. If CPS went to the house based on the video and saw that the house was filthy or that the child was left home alone or that drugs were open and visible in the house, that's enough.
The video is enough to get an investigation, but not enough for a removal.
2014-01-09 12:05:28 PM  
1 votes:

Witty Comment: Here's what may have/probably happened:

Video->Posting on Internet->Re-posting by police->Concerned Citizen calls police->Police pass complain to Social Services->Social Services is reasonably suspicious abuse may be occurring based upon video, and investigates->Social Services goes to home, finds things that are of imminent danger and harm to children->Children are removed from home.

What probably didn't happen:

Video->Posting on Internet->Nazi's break down doors and point guns at everyone and steal the children->Police claim victory and shag the dead hookers they keep in evidence locker along with the blow.

You MAY BE SURPRISED TO LEARN there's a process for these things. I'm as big a cop and government hater as the next guy, but FFS people, THINK: this is what they chose to show the world. What do you think was found in the house when Social Services visited that they were hiding?


SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

YOU Could stop all the whagrbabal... actually nevermind. You will stop nothing, since the people who want to complain won;t use logic and reason, just feelings. You can;t beat those.
2014-01-09 11:59:30 AM  
1 votes:

flynn80: Why are words about human sexuality considered explict?


I see you've been properly vaccinated against context.
2014-01-09 11:57:26 AM  
1 votes:
Why are words about human sexuality considered explict?  I'm sorry your phoney religous morality has brainwashed you but language is beautiful even when cruel, like nature.
2014-01-09 11:56:55 AM  
1 votes:
CPS is basically a HOA
2014-01-09 11:55:00 AM  
1 votes:

cgraves67: Well, it could be that the state agency did its due diligence and found evidence of negligence on the part of the household against the child and proceeded with legal action to remove the child from the home. Meanwhile the internet and media have latched on to the "cursing toddler" aspect of the story because it's salacious and that's all we are hearing about, so it just seems like it's an over-reaction. Or it's a legitimate over-reaction.


This is almost certainly the case. Were I the prosecutor having to make the argument for removal, I would absolutely bring up the video, but I feel confident that there was something else in the background that prompted the action. All we see, and all we can see, is the video. It shows terrible parenting, but we're assuming the people in the video are the kids parents, they could be older brothers or uncles. Either way, I don't think this video is enough for action, and I couldn't see a judge accepting the video as a convincing argument on its own.
2014-01-09 11:54:23 AM  
1 votes:
When I was a kid, the family next door to my best friends had a little kid named "Kevvie" (presumably short for Kevin) who apparently knew only three words: "butthole" (pronounced "bu-ho"), "shut" (pronounced "suh"), and "up" (pronounced as it should be). He could string these into a sort of rudimentary imperative sentence: "Suh up, bu-ho!"

Little Kevvie really liked that sentence, because as far as we could tell he'd just stand out in the back yard and yell that over and over and over until an adult dragged him back inside. We found it endlessly entertaining, and could never figure out at whom it was directed (a large vine-covered fence separating the yards): us? His parents? Siblings? Sometimes when he'd really get going, he'd draw out that last syllable: "Suh up, bu...hoooOOOOOOOOOO!" Always wondered what his home life was like that this was the thing he'd latched onto. The family moved and alas I never got to find out what happened to Little Kevvie.
2014-01-09 11:54:15 AM  
1 votes:
I used to live in a very racially mixed and immigrant dominated neighborhood of Detroit.  Whenever I would walk up to the corner store I'd pass a building with a stoop full of diaper wearing black toddlers who would always run inside screaming "white man!  white man!" when I passed by.  Then the mom would glare out the window.  Good times.

/csb
2014-01-09 11:51:07 AM  
1 votes:
As a parent I... just do not know what to say.

I am not really shocked by this, you see it everyday.

I guess that I am just saddened by the fact that this kid is potentially destroyed before he even gets started.

It is more than just the swearing, it is the talking back, teaching him it is ok, and a whole host of other things..
2014-01-09 11:45:10 AM  
1 votes:
50 years ago this could have been obama.
2014-01-09 11:44:12 AM  
1 votes:
2014-01-09 11:41:21 AM  
1 votes:

AgentPothead: But Honey Boo Boo is a top ranked television show.


Less swearing so people ignore the child abuse.


If only SOMEONE in the meia had suggested this is the road we would be on.

estrip.org

Oh yeah...
2014-01-09 11:40:41 AM  
1 votes:
So sad. What a bunch of responsible, upstanding citizens this kid has around him.
2014-01-09 11:36:39 AM  
1 votes:

AgentPothead: But Honey Boo Boo is a top ranked television show.


data3.whicdn.com
2014-01-09 11:35:54 AM  
1 votes:
So they took him into custody?

Well it's just another extension of his training for his future.
2014-01-09 11:34:41 AM  
1 votes:
THANKS OMAHA.
2014-01-09 09:43:00 AM  
1 votes:
The adults laugh and prompt him to repeat other crudities.

Mmmm... crudites

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