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(Ultimate Classic Rock)   Allman Brothers guitarists Derek Trucks and Warren Haynes prove there's a way to quit the band other than by fatal motorcycle crash   (ultimateclassicrock.com) divider line 64
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2014-01-09 10:06:13 AM  
I guess they will be appearing on Dwane's House.
 
2014-01-09 10:24:23 AM  
Trucks is married to Susan Tedeschi? Damn, I know what I'm downloading next off Amazon. That woman is an amazing musician in her own right.

/Jack White should be so lucky
 
2014-01-09 10:30:34 AM  
I thought if you tried to quit -they'd tie you to the whipping post.
 
2014-01-09 10:46:27 AM  

SurfaceTension: Trucks is married to Susan Tedeschi? Damn, I know what I'm downloading next off Amazon. That woman is an amazing musician in her own right.

/Jack White should be so lucky


They're on tour right now... I know because they're advertising it on the radio a lot for the show here on the 17th.
 
2014-01-09 10:47:06 AM  
On one hand, it's the end of an era. On the other hand, these guys have been doing an amazing job with their respective careers for quite some time. This is a good thing.
 
2014-01-09 11:02:20 AM  

factoryconnection: SurfaceTension: Trucks is married to Susan Tedeschi? Damn, I know what I'm downloading next off Amazon. That woman is an amazing musician in her own right.

/Jack White should be so lucky

They're on tour right now... I know because they're advertising it on the radio a lot for the show here on the 17th.


Thanks for the link. Looks like the DC show is sold out already. Damn!
 
2014-01-09 11:24:54 AM  

Do yourself a favor. Check out Tedeschi-Trucks Band, particularly the album Revelator



Link
 
2014-01-09 11:27:16 AM  
I have seen Derek Truck perform at the Crossroads Guitar Festival and he is a great player.
 
2014-01-09 11:28:02 AM  

AnotherBluesStringer: On one hand, it's the end of an era. On the other hand, these guys have been doing an amazing job with their respective careers for quite some time. This is a good thing.


When you leave a job or a gig one of the questions I always ask is "Am I leaving it better than when I started?"

For both of those guys it's definetley "Yes."

Gregg should have no problem attracting good players who see the ABB as a long-term gig which will bring more fans to the table.  And more over you just KNOW those two guys are going to show up for a guest spot whenever they're around.
 
2014-01-09 11:31:22 AM  
Nice to see it's not a nasty break-up, both letters sound very thoughtful
 
2014-01-09 11:42:01 AM  
There was still an Allman Brother band?
 
2014-01-09 11:49:37 AM  
Good timing, tix go on sale for the annual Beacon run tomorrow I guess they want to make sure they have no problem selling out.  Even the crappy weeknight dates.
 
2014-01-09 11:53:29 AM  

Kyosuke: There was still an Allman Brother band?


Of course not. This article was written for the lulz. Subby made it all up just to get a green.
 
2014-01-09 11:57:08 AM  
love gov't mule.  Had no idea he had another gig
 
2014-01-09 11:59:34 AM  
I thought the other way of quitting was becoming a raging alcoholic and a total asshole.
 
2014-01-09 12:03:48 PM  

OldManDownDRoad: I thought the other way of quitting was becoming a raging alcoholic and a total asshole.


RIP Dickey

/I need to check to see if he's actually dead.
 
2014-01-09 12:08:56 PM  
Saw Derek open up for Eric Johnson a number of years ago. Amazing show!
 
2014-01-09 12:13:08 PM  

Kyosuke: There was still an Allman Brother band?


Yup, saw them at Jazzfest in New Orleans in '10 and they were awesome!
 
2014-01-09 12:15:50 PM  
Too bad but ABB could use some new blood or just call it quits. Interested to see their next move. Play on Warren and Derek, you both have done the ABB legacy proud.
 
2014-01-09 12:17:38 PM  
It's a sad (but inevitable) day.
Here's hoping they are still game to perform at Wanee.  Of course, Tedeschi-Trucks Band and Gov't Mule are worth seeing even if ABB goes to ground.
 
2014-01-09 12:17:51 PM  
There must be fifty ways to leave the Allmans. You're a sickie, Dickie. Leave our nightmare, Cher. Your loss is Leavell's gain, Duane. This is an awkward pairing, Herring. The coincidence is legendary, Barry...
 
2014-01-09 12:21:16 PM  

TheSlothAlive: OldManDownDRoad: I thought the other way of quitting was becoming a raging alcoholic and a total asshole.

RIP Dickey

/I need to check to see if he's actually dead.


He's still around and was in town recently and, man, he needs to Move On. He's still full of bitterness - at least, according to the interview in the local alterna-paper. Or maybe he's just tried of being asked about it. Anyway, I don't think he's going to be sending anyone in the band any flowers soon.
 
2014-01-09 12:22:01 PM  
Well there goes all the current talent from that band.

/Derek Trucks cover of Good Mornin' Little School Girl is the best rendition of that song.
//Gov't Mule's rendition of No Quarter is 4 times better then the Led Zeppelin original.
///Threes?
 
2014-01-09 12:53:57 PM  
Oteil Burbridge is leaving too.
 
2014-01-09 01:02:20 PM  
http://youtu.be/jiwktkw_rqE

Tedeschi Trucks gets Clapton and Bill Murray down...

You are welcome.
 
2014-01-09 01:04:49 PM  

Skarekrough: Gregg should have no problem attracting good players who see the ABB as a long-term gig


Gregg might be about done himself.
 
2014-01-09 01:10:54 PM  
I'm an ABB fanatic, but in 2014 Tedeschi-Trucks is the better band. Hell, Mule is probably better, too.
 
2014-01-09 01:12:38 PM  
So they'll rollin' down Highway 41?
 
2014-01-09 01:12:50 PM  

wiseolddude: I have seen Derek Truck perform at the Crossroads Guitar Festival and he is a great player.


In the mid 90s I was a sound engineer at one of the big clubs at the university I was attending, and Trucks played there frequently.  I believe he was in his mid-teens (too lazy to check that), and was a pretty cool dude.  I loved running sound for his group....only one vocal mic...!  IIRC his bassist handled lead vocals on any songs requiring them.

I was constantly amazed at how accomplished a player he was at such a young age.  Extremely talented.
 
2014-01-09 01:15:57 PM  

Gunny Highway: Oteil Burbridge is leaving too.


Bring back Allen Woody!!!!

/Wait, what?
 
2014-01-09 01:17:17 PM  

bighairyguy: So they'll rollin' down Highway 41?


They've got no one to run with anymore.
 
2014-01-09 01:22:50 PM  

Gunny Highway: Oteil Burbridge is leaving too.


Really?
I saw him with the Peacemakers in 2003 at a small festival. They tore it completely up.
Maybe he'll rejoin Tedeschi-Trucks?
 
2014-01-09 01:27:20 PM  

derpy: Skarekrough: Gregg should have no problem attracting good players who see the ABB as a long-term gig

Gregg might be about done himself.


I'll have to hand it to Gregg - he seems to have really cleaned up his act. He's said that after he quit it took him three years (!!) to feel good again, there was so much crap in his system.

Of course, he didn't specify which crap: heroin, alcohol, or Cher. But there you are.

/friend saw him do low country blues just before Christmas and said it was a dynamite show
 
2014-01-09 01:30:30 PM  

factoryconnection: SurfaceTension: Trucks is married to Susan Tedeschi? Damn, I know what I'm downloading next off Amazon. That woman is an amazing musician in her own right.

/Jack White should be so lucky

They're on tour right now... I know because they're advertising it on the radio a lot for the show here on the 17th.


Yep.  They have a few albums out together, very good.

Really wish they'd just roll all their projects together, have her join Gov't Mule.
 
2014-01-09 02:05:47 PM  
A while back they threw Dickey Betts out of the band for drinking.

When you're thrown out of the Allman Bros. band for drinking, that's some serious friggin' drinking.
 
2014-01-09 02:38:33 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: factoryconnection: SurfaceTension: Trucks is married to Susan Tedeschi? Damn, I know what I'm downloading next off Amazon. That woman is an amazing musician in her own right.

/Jack White should be so lucky

They're on tour right now... I know because they're advertising it on the radio a lot for the show here on the 17th.

Yep.  They have a few albums out together, very good.

Really wish they'd just roll all their projects together, have her join Gov't Mule.


The Mule has one too many members as it is. Bring back the power trio!

/I miss Woody.
//Jorgen is still a badass in his own right.
///RIP ABB
 
2014-01-09 02:46:17 PM  

holdenoversoul: Satanic_Hamster: factoryconnection: SurfaceTension: Trucks is married to Susan Tedeschi? Damn, I know what I'm downloading next off Amazon. That woman is an amazing musician in her own right.

/Jack White should be so lucky

They're on tour right now... I know because they're advertising it on the radio a lot for the show here on the 17th.

Yep.  They have a few albums out together, very good.

Really wish they'd just roll all their projects together, have her join Gov't Mule.

The Mule has one too many members as it is. Bring back the power trio!

/I miss Woody.
//Jorgen is still a badass in his own right.
///RIP ABB


Been a fan since Warren first started touring with ABB and the side gig appeared. Loved the trio. Since Woody's death Mule has had some great bass players. Andy Hess is great as is Jorgen. But you are correct....something is amiss. I like Danny but give me more Dose-like material and all will be good.
 
2014-01-09 02:47:00 PM  

Gunny Highway: Oteil Burbridge is leaving too.


That was just Gregg losing his mind.

http://www.jambase.com/articles/120366/oteil-burbridge-remains-a-mem be r-of-the-allman-brothers-band

OTOH, that would free him up for an Aquarium Rescue Unit reunion tour..
 
2014-01-09 03:14:21 PM  

Skarekrough: AnotherBluesStringer: On one hand, it's the end of an era. On the other hand, these guys have been doing an amazing job with their respective careers for quite some time. This is a good thing.

When you leave a job or a gig one of the questions I always ask is "Am I leaving it better than when I started?"

For both of those guys it's definetley "Yes."

Gregg should have no problem attracting good players who see the ABB as a long-term gig which will bring more fans to the table.  And more over you just KNOW those two guys are going to show up for a guest spot whenever they're around.


I'm wondering if Gregg may retire.

His health isn't that good and the band is in transition.  It's an opportunity to close the show on a high note.
 
2014-01-09 03:15:36 PM  

DrZiffle: A while back they threw Dickey Betts out of the band for drinking.

When you're thrown out of the Allman Bros. band for drinking, that's some serious friggin' drinking.


More accurately, Gregg and a couple of the others sobered up.  Dickey didn't.
 
2014-01-09 03:22:12 PM  
I see MUCH more happening here, and it can't be good.

 I can't imagine they left on good terms - both guitarists quitting on the same day?  Also, the letter about 'spending more time with their families' has long been political speak for 'I got forced to step down'.  Here is how I also know that line is crap - Derek is in a band with his family.  He doesn't need more family time, he tours and travels and records with his family.  As for the great Warren - if he wanted to spend more time with his family, he wouldn't be in 30 bands at the same time.  He is the hardest working man in show business.  The Allmans only get together once a year for a 2 week run at the Beacon.  So, quitting the Allmans means he gets two weeks back?  Doesn't make sense.

So, why are they out?  Here is a very educated guess.  Note that neither are original members.  I bet they have been on the payroll all these years as employees, and not members.  This is something Gene Simmons pioneered with Kiss.  If you weren't him or Gene, you were just an employee of Kiss.  That meant the drummer had as much say, or songwriting kickbacks, or votes on group decisions as their secretary.  Apparently, Ronnie Wood was kept as a Rolling Stones employee for 15 years before they made him a 'member'.  So, I am guessing Warren and Derek said "hey, if we are going to keep doing this, we want a cut of the pie.  Full membership status."  Then, Greg went all Steve Jobs on their asses and said "you will get a 100% of NOTHING".

It is a mistake, Warren has become essential to the ABB.  I have been seeing them Warren joined in 89.  Probably seen them 25 times.  Keep in mind that apparently, Warren wrote all of 'Hitting the Note'.  It's their most recent studio album, and actually their best recording EVER.

You just don't quit a group you have been in for 25 years that barely even meets or plays any more.  There is no point.  Both of them leaving?  Even more suspect, and sad.  How about Eddie Van Halen as a replacement?  Think of it:  no one can work with him, either.  Plus, he also likes to record and tour only once a decade.  It's a perfect match.
 
2014-01-09 03:23:34 PM  

Another Government Employee: Skarekrough: AnotherBluesStringer: On one hand, it's the end of an era. On the other hand, these guys have been doing an amazing job with their respective careers for quite some time. This is a good thing.

When you leave a job or a gig one of the questions I always ask is "Am I leaving it better than when I started?"

For both of those guys it's definetley "Yes."

Gregg should have no problem attracting good players who see the ABB as a long-term gig which will bring more fans to the table.  And more over you just KNOW those two guys are going to show up for a guest spot whenever they're around.

I'm wondering if Gregg may retire.

His health isn't that good and the band is in transition.  It's an opportunity to close the show on a high note.


From reading his book he doesn't strike me as the kind of guy that will sit still or cares about going out with grace and dignity.
 
2014-01-09 03:40:34 PM  

The Baron: I see MUCH more happening here, and it can't be good.

 I can't imagine they left on good terms - both guitarists quitting on the same day?  Also, the letter about 'spending more time with their families' has long been political speak for 'I got forced to step down'.  Here is how I also know that line is crap - Derek is in a band with his family.  He doesn't need more family time, he tours and travels and records with his family.  As for the great Warren - if he wanted to spend more time with his family, he wouldn't be in 30 bands at the same time.  He is the hardest working man in show business.  The Allmans only get together once a year for a 2 week run at the Beacon.  So, quitting the Allmans means he gets two weeks back?  Doesn't make sense.

So, why are they out?  Here is a very educated guess.  Note that neither are original members.  I bet they have been on the payroll all these years as employees, and not members.  This is something Gene Simmons pioneered with Kiss.  If you weren't him or Gene, you were just an employee of Kiss.  That meant the drummer had as much say, or songwriting kickbacks, or votes on group decisions as their secretary.  Apparently, Ronnie Wood was kept as a Rolling Stones employee for 15 years before they made him a 'member'.  So, I am guessing Warren and Derek said "hey, if we are going to keep doing this, we want a cut of the pie.  Full membership status."  Then, Greg went all Steve Jobs on their asses and said "you will get a 100% of NOTHING".

It is a mistake, Warren has become essential to the ABB.  I have been seeing them Warren joined in 89.  Probably seen them 25 times.  Keep in mind that apparently, Warren wrote all of 'Hitting the Note'.  It's their most recent studio album, and actually their best recording EVER.

You just don't quit a group you have been in for 25 years that barely even meets or plays any more.  There is no point.  Both of them leaving?  Even more suspect, and sad.  How about Eddie Van Halen as a replacemen ...


Might be right on Warren. Kind of like when it is time for a lawyer to be made partner or leave the firm.

Derek, not so much. He's family.  He's at point in his career where he needs to make a mark on his name alone and not feel his lifelong ABB connection has something to do with it.  He can now concentrate on the things he does best.
 
2014-01-09 03:42:29 PM  

holdenoversoul: Satanic_Hamster: factoryconnection: SurfaceTension: Trucks is married to Susan Tedeschi? Damn, I know what I'm downloading next off Amazon. That woman is an amazing musician in her own right.

/Jack White should be so lucky

They're on tour right now... I know because they're advertising it on the radio a lot for the show here on the 17th.

Yep.  They have a few albums out together, very good.

Really wish they'd just roll all their projects together, have her join Gov't Mule.

The Mule has one too many members as it is. Bring back the power trio!

/I miss Woody.
//Jorgen is still a badass in his own right.
///RIP ABB


Allen Woody was the best, I just loved his style of playing. His facial expressions alone while playing were worth the price of admission
 
2014-01-09 03:52:40 PM  

The Baron: I see MUCH more happening here, and it can't be good.

 I can't imagine they left on good terms - both guitarists quitting on the same day?  Also, the letter about 'spending more time with their families' has long been political speak for 'I got forced to step down'.  Here is how I also know that line is crap - Derek is in a band with his family.  He doesn't need more family time, he tours and travels and records with his family.  As for the great Warren - if he wanted to spend more time with his family, he wouldn't be in 30 bands at the same time.  He is the hardest working man in show business.  The Allmans only get together once a year for a 2 week run at the Beacon.  So, quitting the Allmans means he gets two weeks back?  Doesn't make sense.

So, why are they out?  Here is a very educated guess.  Note that neither are original members.  I bet they have been on the payroll all these years as employees, and not members.  This is something Gene Simmons pioneered with Kiss.  If you weren't him or Gene, you were just an employee of Kiss.  That meant the drummer had as much say, or songwriting kickbacks, or votes on group decisions as their secretary.  Apparently, Ronnie Wood was kept as a Rolling Stones employee for 15 years before they made him a 'member'.  So, I am guessing Warren and Derek said "hey, if we are going to keep doing this, we want a cut of the pie.  Full membership status."  Then, Greg went all Steve Jobs on their asses and said "you will get a 100% of NOTHING".

It is a mistake, Warren has become essential to the ABB.  I have been seeing them Warren joined in 89.  Probably seen them 25 times.  Keep in mind that apparently, Warren wrote all of 'Hitting the Note'.  It's their most recent studio album, and actually their best recording EVER.

You just don't quit a group you have been in for 25 years that barely even meets or plays any more.  There is no point.  Both of them leaving?  Even more suspect, and sad.  How about Eddie Van Halen as a replacemen ...


I'm thinking simple economics.

I don't know what Warren and Derek make per show as employees, but for the sake of argument, lets say $10,000 per show.  (That might be outrageously off, I don't care.  it's just for argument.)

As ABB employees, they have to keep schedules clear for whatever Gregg, Butch, and Jaimoe want to do.

Now, twenty years ago, in 1994, ABB played (by my count) 87 shows.  At our hypothetical $10K per show, that's $870K for the year.  That's worth the commitment and keeping the schedule clear.

In 2014, the ABB has 13 dates scheduled.  They might add more before the years is out; I'd be surprised if they don't.  so, let's say 20 shows for the year.  They make $200K.

I think $200K is a nice piece of change, but I don't also have another band of which I am the leader and which is fairly successful on its own.  Both of these guys do.  And that $200 blocks up my schedule and keeps me from doing whatever I want with my own band.

I'd sacrifice that $200K for a chance to make much more than that on a clear schedule with my own band, thank you very much.

Not to mention artistic expression, etc.
 
2014-01-09 03:52:58 PM  
Warren Haynes is a hell of a guitar player and seemingly a great guy.   Hopefully the time off the road will permit him to take care of himself.   That does not look like a healthy man.
 
2014-01-09 03:59:32 PM  

InmanRoshi: That does not look like a healthy man.


???

At one of the Garcia orchestral shows that WH did last summer, I mentioned to the guy next to me (an acquaintance--I probably know 50% of the people from my are that would go to a show like that by sight--from other shows) that Warren is probably the least photogenic person I have ever seen.  This is fifteen feet or so away from him--I had a good view :)

He's healthy.  He's never been pretty.
 
2014-01-09 04:12:08 PM  

TheSlothAlive: holdenoversoul: Satanic_Hamster: factoryconnection: SurfaceTension: Trucks is married to Susan Tedeschi? Damn, I know what I'm downloading next off Amazon. That woman is an amazing musician in her own right.

/Jack White should be so lucky

They're on tour right now... I know because they're advertising it on the radio a lot for the show here on the 17th.

Yep.  They have a few albums out together, very good.

Really wish they'd just roll all their projects together, have her join Gov't Mule.

The Mule has one too many members as it is. Bring back the power trio!

/I miss Woody.
//Jorgen is still a badass in his own right.
///RIP ABB

Allen Woody was the best, I just loved his style of playing. His facial expressions alone while playing were worth the price of admission


Agreed...and in the ABB he was the only bass player that could come close to what Berry was doing live. Lamar and Oteil are great, but they never really carried that funky low end groove.
 
2014-01-09 04:13:04 PM  

InmanRoshi: Warren Haynes is a hell of a guitar player and seemingly a great guy.   Hopefully the time off the road will permit him to take care of himself.   That does not look like a healthy man.


You should have seen him in the mid '90's..
 
2014-01-09 04:35:54 PM  

holdenoversoul: /I miss Woody.


I have a woody for you.
 
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