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(Patch)   Sure, he could've made sure the gun was unloaded before cleaning it, but where's the challenge in that?   (barrow.patch.com) divider line 29
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2014-01-09 10:10:30 AM  
5 votes:
"It went off while I was cleaning it!" is translated to English as "I was waving it around like a dumbass while it was loaded". It's virtually impossible for a gun to go off during cleaning because Step 1 is REMOVE THE GODDAM BULLETS.

/lib
//gun owner
2014-01-09 11:45:06 AM  
2 votes:
willfullyobscure
2014-01-09 10:15:36 AM


through an interior wall, exterior siding and lodged in another exterior wall.

And THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is why birdshot and a shotgun are the ideal home defense firearm set up, and NOT a hi powered pistol round or an assault weapon like an AR-15 or AK-47.

And THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is how you demonstrate you have no farking clue what you're talking about and that you bring nothing to the table but volume.
2014-01-09 11:19:50 AM  
2 votes:

jso2897: AgentPothead: drewogatory: Wrongly. Not even getting into the farce that is criminal justice in this country, the constitution clearly states the government has no power to restrict gun ownership. Their attempts to do so are clearly infringement.

You do realize the US Constitution is what the Federal government can and cannot do and that every single state in the US has some sort of gun laws in place?

From a purely semantic P.O.V., he's correct - the term used in the Constitution is "regulated". It specifies that the "militia" (which at that time meant the sum total of the armed, able-bodied populace) be "well regulated".


and regulated, at the time, meant well equipped, not the overseen by someone definition it has today.
2014-01-09 11:15:54 AM  
2 votes:

dookdookdook: drewogatory: Guess what? If you want to try and overturn the 2nd, have at it. Otherwise you don't get to decide who is and isn't able to exercise their constitutionally guaranteed right.

Question I've never gotten a good answer for:  If, hypothetically, the second amendment was never included in the bill of rights and American gun fetishism didn't exist, what argument would you make in the year 2014 that we should pass a gun rights amendment now?

Less hypothetical version: Tell me why England (for example) should change its ways and make guns much more easily available.  Optionally: Explain why no one in England is trying to do this right now.


And if you can't answer that question, then explain how "b..b..but second amendment" is different from any other group of zealots imposing their dangerous behavior on the world around them just because their sacred text of choice tells them they can.


Because people have a natural right to self defense
2014-01-09 10:53:24 AM  
2 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: mod3072: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Got a neighbor you don't like?

"DON'T WORRY, IT'S NOT LOADED! SEE?"

BANG!

Problem solved and they CAN'T press charges, right?

Wrong. But you go ahead and try it. Let us know how it works out for you.

Someone's been charged under those circumstances?


For "accidentally" shooting another person? Are you serious? Here is one example that took me almost 5 seconds to find and that fits your scenario almost perfectly. Do you want me to link to 1,000 more similar stories, or are you going to admit that you're either trolling or have no clue how the law works?

http://www.kltv.com/story/16159209/charges-filed-in-accidental-shoot in g-near-ut-tyler
2014-01-09 10:38:33 AM  
2 votes:

dookdookdook: drewogatory: Both those questions are irrelevant. The fact is, the constitution is and has been the law of the land since the founding. And there is a provision to change it if you don't like it. Otherwise quit infringing on ANY part of it.

So because the BibleQuranConstitution says so; no rational justification necessary.  Got it.


Because it's an intrinsic right no justification is necessary.

Also, the rest of you stop thinking that the Constitution gives you rights.  You have these rights regardless of what a piece of paper says.  Get that through your thick skulls and maybe we can stop this country from completely devolving into a totalitarian police state.
2014-01-09 10:15:36 AM  
2 votes:
through an interior wall, exterior siding and lodged in another exterior wall.

And THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is why birdshot and a shotgun are the ideal home defense firearm set up, and NOT a hi powered pistol round or an assault weapon like an AR-15 or AK-47. If you managed to fark up your life so badly that you need a firearm in the home to defend yourself, THIS is what you should have.

images.tribe.net

Hope we're all crystal clear on that by now.

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2014-01-09 09:55:33 AM  
2 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: But no, we shouldn't have a conversation about who should and should not be owning guns in this country.


Guess what? If you want to try and overturn the 2nd, have at it. Otherwise you don't get to decide who is and isn't able to exercise their constitutionally guaranteed right.
2014-01-09 01:33:43 PM  
1 votes:

Inflatable Rhetoric: Why "accidental" in reference to a gun causes such a reaction is curious.


Because it implies that shiat happens and there isn't much that can be done about it. Anti-gunners like this because it reinforces their assinine beliefs that banning guns is the only way to solve the problem. Pro-gunners know that solving the problem is as simple as pulling your head out of your ass and not being negligent.
2014-01-09 12:20:58 PM  
1 votes:

willfullyobscure: Here is bird shot in ballistic gel.


What's the penetration there?  Was it shot with a clothing barrier in front of it or rib bones?

willfullyobscure: But don't take it from me, oh no. Take it from Clint Smith, Clint Smith, President and Director of Thunder Ranch, Marine Corps veteran of two infantry and Combined Action Platoon tours in Vietnam, also 7 years a cop, SWAT, sniper, and firearms combat trainer.


Clint Smith is an outstanding instructor, and you are sorely mistaken in thinking that he's suggesting using bird shot for home defense.  Notice he says "maybe" in your quote.  I've also seen Clint Smith advocate using a fire extinguisher to brain an intruder.  He's a huge advocate of using the tools at hand, combined with proper training to make the best of a bad situation.

What your linked quote is really saying is that if you shoot bird shot better than buck, then bird shot is the tool you work with and you work to get the best results out of it.

In fact, if you take the Thunder Ranch Defensive Shotgun course, they will tell you they don't recommend Bird Shot for a defensive load.  But hey, what do I know... having actually been through Clint Smiths course and all...
2014-01-09 12:17:48 PM  
1 votes:

factoryconnection: Farkage: Yeah, who would do such a thing???

That definitely takes the cake. In TFA we have someone goofing around with their gun, which is stupid.  Yesterday we had the lady with no clue about the condition or operation of her weapon, which is stupid.  But this cop deliberately cocked and fired a weapon in a crowded, public space.  That's dumber than Plaxico Burress wearing sweat pants at a night club and then shooting himself.


It's okay though.  In a followup article the Police spokesman said the department is investigating. Because, you know, it's quite possible that this poor upstanding officer has learned his lesson.
Too bad any of the rest of us would have been arrested on the spot and immediately had their permit revoked.
2014-01-09 12:08:03 PM  
1 votes:
ToastmasterGeneral: However, if you're going to say that the the words mean exactly what they look like on the paper, then I'll agree, felons, and everybody else should be able to own fireams, unrestricted. As long as they're members of a well-regulated militia.

Maybe you should have an adult look up the meaning of words before you use them.
2014-01-09 11:18:49 AM  
1 votes:

stevarooni: willfullyobscure: through an interior wall, exterior siding and lodged in another exterior wall.

And THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is why birdshot and a shotgun are the ideal home defense firearm set up, and NOT a hi powered pistol round or an assault weapon like an AR-15 or AK-47. If you managed to fark up your life so badly that you need a firearm in the home to defend yourself, THIS is what you should have.

[images.tribe.net image 640x480]

Hope we're all crystal clear on that by now.

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Hey, you know what's easier to control, especially for smaller-framed people?  An AR-15 or AK-47.  Birdshot is great with the ideal of stopping over-penetration, but you can also get good 5.56x45mm or 7.62x39mm that fragments and stops pretty quickly.

Besides, why the extra rounds?  After all, all you have to do is go out on your porch and shoot two shots into the air; that'll drive off those home invaders!


Birdshot will just get someone angry. Cheney blasted a 70 year old in the face point blank with birdshot and the guy lived.
2014-01-09 11:14:50 AM  
1 votes:

willfullyobscure: through an interior wall, exterior siding and lodged in another exterior wall.

And THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is why birdshot and a shotgun are the ideal home defense firearm set up, and NOT a hi powered pistol round or an assault weapon like an AR-15 or AK-47. If you managed to fark up your life so badly that you need a firearm in the home to defend yourself, THIS is what you should have.



Hope we're all crystal clear on that by now.

.


Frangible ammo says no
2014-01-09 11:11:11 AM  
1 votes:

willfullyobscure: through an interior wall, exterior siding and lodged in another exterior wall.

And THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is why birdshot and a shotgun are the ideal home defense firearm set up, and NOT a hi powered pistol round or an assault weapon like an AR-15 or AK-47. If you managed to fark up your life so badly that you need a firearm in the home to defend yourself, THIS is what you should have.

[images.tribe.net image 640x480]

Hope we're all crystal clear on that by now.

.


Birdshot is worthless as a defense round.  If you're gonna shoot someone then you're intending to kill them.  Use a round that will kill them, moran.
2014-01-09 11:06:02 AM  
1 votes:

dr_blasto: Inflatable Rhetoric: Ouze: It wasn't accidental, as the article's headline says. It was negligent. He should be charged and prosecuted.

accidental

adjective 1.

happening by chance or accident; not planned; unexpected: an accidental meeting.

It wasn't by chance. It was negligent.
neg·li·gent
ˈnegləjənt/
adjective
1.
failing to take proper care in doing something.
"directors have been negligent in the performance of their duties"

Negligent discharges should be prosecuted as felonies.


Most state laws regarding reckless endangerment, or wanton reckless endangerment, define the crime as being related to reckless conduct that is likely to produce injury or death; some states differentiate between classes of endangerment based upon the severity of injury risk. Typically, endangerment that creates a risk of severe injury or death is a felony.

Mishandling a firearm in a way that produces a negligent discharge is itself a reckless action likely to cause serious injury or death. This is especially true in public places, but it is easily applicable when a negligent discharge results in damage to a nearby property not owned by the handler of the firearm.

Therefore, most states already have existing laws that allow for prosecution of a negligent firearm discharge as a felony. I suspect that one reason that such incidents are not always prosecuted as such is concern that establishing such a precedent would put many police officers at risk of arrest and conviction.
2014-01-09 11:04:06 AM  
1 votes:

AgentPothead: I don't have a problem with the word accident, I was pointing out the word negligent much better defines the case in hand. All gun owners are taught how to responsibly use their firearms. If somebody tries and reload their gun without checking if it's chambered, that's negligence not an accident. If they fire the gun in the house, that's negligence not an accident. The only way to fire a gun is to remove the safety and to have it loaded, both things you are taught not to do until you are ready to fire. I love accidents. That hole in the condom that made me? Awesome accident. Mishandling a firearm is negligence.


True.  Traffic accidents usually involve at least a bit of negligence, but there are really hundreds or thousands of rules associated with driving, all manner of environmental variables, and other drivers to account for.

With firearms, there are three basic and one graduate-level rule:
1. Finger off the trigger until ready to shoot
2. Treat every gun as if it were loaded
3. Muzzle should only point at something you want to shoot
4. Know your target AND what is beyond it

That's it.  Both this dipsh*t and the KY rep yesterday ignored #1 and #2, and this one also fell short on #3 and #4.

drewogatory: Wrongly. Not even getting into the farce that is criminal justice in this country, the constitution clearly states the government has no power to restrict gun ownership. Their attempts to do so are clearly infringement.


If you ignore the entire con-law history of the United States, you could both equate "regulation" with "infringement" as well as assuming that all rights are completely, 100% absolute and not up for interpretation.

Fortunately, that's not how things operate.
2014-01-09 11:01:19 AM  
1 votes:
There is no such thing as "accidental" discharge of a firearm, unless you define an accident as "anything a moron does".

Having a gun is just like having a motor vehicle. If you are too damn stupid to learn the basics, people are likely to get hurt.

That isn't an argument for or against gun or car control; it's an argument for enforced birth control.
2014-01-09 10:54:22 AM  
1 votes:

dookdookdook: do I also have an "intrinsic right" to own a trailer full of meth or a tiger or fissionable uranium or a car that will explode if it ever drops below 80 mph?


I'll take what is reductio ad absurdum for $500, Alex.
2014-01-09 10:48:00 AM  
1 votes:
You need to make your suicide look like an accident so your family can collect the insurance policy. Cleaning your gun is a good solution.
2014-01-09 10:37:43 AM  
1 votes:

drewogatory: cameroncrazy1984: But no, we shouldn't have a conversation about who should and should not be owning guns in this country.

Guess what? If you want to try and overturn the 2nd, have at it. Otherwise you don't get to decide who is and isn't able to exercise their constitutionally guaranteed right.


Kids under 10 can't.  Felons can't.  We already decide.
2014-01-09 10:33:33 AM  
1 votes:

drewogatory: Both those questions are irrelevant. The fact is, the constitution is and has been the law of the land since the founding. And there is a provision to change it if you don't like it. Otherwise quit infringing on ANY part of it.


So because the BibleQuranConstitution says so; no rational justification necessary.  Got it.
2014-01-09 10:30:42 AM  
1 votes:
I think the easiest tell of if a person should have a gun or not is if they get mad dog frothing at the mouth upset if you say they shouldn't have one.
2014-01-09 10:29:01 AM  
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Got a neighbor you don't like?

"DON'T WORRY, IT'S NOT LOADED! SEE?"

BANG!

Problem solved and they CAN'T press charges, right?


Wrong. But you go ahead and try it. Let us know how it works out for you.
2014-01-09 10:26:45 AM  
1 votes:
Yet another in a long string of isolated incidents.

And I'm sure this type of thing is always reported and the perpetrators properly punished.
2014-01-09 10:24:28 AM  
1 votes:

Schmerd1948: Not a gun owner. It sounds like it was a pretty powerful round, no? What kind of ammo, do you think?


You'd be surprised what a bullet goes through. Check out youtube, I saw a video the other day of guys doing penetration tests on steel plate. Despite what ever movie ever has shown with guys hiding behind car doors or refrigerators made of sheet metal, regular old rifle ammo goes right though half-inch steel plate with no problem at all.

Even handguns go through quite a bit.

http://youtu.be/h3XNWU8xaxk
2014-01-09 10:12:33 AM  
1 votes:
" Off the kitchen table...........through a window frame, ...........across two yards .........across the garage .......Through the drywall ......into the neighbor's wall.....nothing but net.

compass.ups.com
2014-01-09 09:22:44 AM  
1 votes:
American people problems.
2014-01-09 09:18:42 AM  
1 votes:
FFS people. Quit playing with your goddamn guns at home. Buy a farking airsoft if you want to play mall ninja in your living room.
 
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