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(BBC)   Why aren't young people interested in drinking? Because they've all seen their parents blitzed too many times: "It was the sight of intoxicated older people that helped put Liam off drinking for life"   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 77
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2014-01-09 11:54:06 AM

redmid17: fickenchucker: I know the article is from England, but my theory here is youngsters are afraid of the Draconian penalties for underage drinking.  When I was a kid the worst that would happen is a simple ticket no-one cared about, but often the result of getting caught was confiscation of one's fake I.D. and a boot out the door.

Now it's practically the same punishment and hand wringing as if a kid got caught playing a real life Dexter.

Kudos to many kids for being mature about their futures, but boooo on society for making a mountain out of a molehill.

Have things really gone that strict that quickly? When I was in college (all of 5 years ago), it was a $300-400 ticket. That's not chump change by any means, but the punishment was always community service and a diversion. You gave them the cash and spent some time picking up trash, and your record stayed clean.

Now a fake ID was another ticket, usually one that they didn't accept diversions on, but that's another story.


Some states have added driver's license suspensions for a few months, but a lot are still fines, with a few harsher exceptions.  The penalties are much more on DUI's, and in some places on fake ID's, but that's a bit different.  They tend to target the sellers more.  Bars are risking a lot if they're ever caught serving underage, so they probably check more than they used to.

If you're curious...  http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal/minor-al c ohol-possession.htm
Arkansas actually mentions choosing between probation and an essay (+ fine).
 
2014-01-09 11:54:44 AM
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2014-01-09 11:56:00 AM
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It wasn't my parents, it was my ex-roomate that made me totally not interested in drinking. I wasn't a big drinker anyways but he was the worst alcoholic I had ever seen. I was really young when we were roomates and didn't know how to handle it. I put up with alot (my own fault-I know) until I finally was pushed too far and kicked him out (it was my place).

//now I barely drink once a year
//he is now 4 years sober-he went from picking cans on the street to being happily married & employed (proud of him)
 
2014-01-09 11:58:07 AM
I don't drink at all, and have no desire to ever, but hanging out with drunk friends is hilarious.
 
2014-01-09 12:00:32 PM

gadian: I'd agree that the best argument against drinking is drunk people.  I farking hate drunk people.  Loud, obnoxious, over-emotional, stumbling, irresponsible assholes. Do you have to drink to get drunk?  No, no you don't.  Drinking can be quite fun without losing your friends over your embarrassing lack of self-restraint.  But you wouldn't know it with all the pissed faced, puking idiots everywhere that serves alcohol.


My parents had a good chat with me when I was a kid, explaining the various kinds of drunks.  The maudlin drunk, the quiet drunk, the lovey-dovey drunk, the hyperactive drunk, etc.  When I had teenagers working kitchen shifts for me in the wine bar, I always gave them the same talk, and then I could say. "Look out, the brunette at table 4 is a maudlin drunk. And the guy at bar 7 is a hyperactive drunk."
 
2014-01-09 12:06:35 PM
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The same reason I never thought smoking was cool.
 
2014-01-09 12:20:32 PM

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2014-01-09 12:23:47 PM
So they're going to become uptight tee-totalling prudes, thus causing their children to become binge drinkers.  The cycle continues...
 
2014-01-09 12:27:20 PM

JerkStore: So seeing my folks drunk all the time has indeed put me off drinking. I'm enough like my father without THAT particular part of the puzzle making my life hell.


My son didn't inherit my alcoholism, or his father's batshiat insanity, so thank god for that. He has enough problems already, unless dad drops dead. I don't know what I would have done if he'd gotten the drinking bug. I know from experience that once you start down that road, there's nothing to do except throw them out on the streets and hope that they make it back.

I sobered up before he was born though, so he's never seen me drunk.
 
2014-01-09 12:27:34 PM

fickenchucker: I know the article is from England, but my theory here is youngsters are afraid of the Draconian penalties for underage drinking.  When I was a kid the worst that would happen is a simple ticket no-one cared about, but often the result of getting caught was confiscation of one's fake I.D. and a boot out the door.

Now it's practically the same punishment and hand wringing as if a kid got caught playing a real life Dexter.

Kudos to many kids for being mature about their futures, but boooo on society for making a mountain out of a molehill.


Since sept 11 getting caught with a fake ID can get you in some deep shiat. At some of the places I worked at when a bouncer would confiscate a fake ID and the person would piss and moan the bouncer would point to a cop and say "Go get him and we can all talk about this."  He would follow that up with telling them that if the cops got involved they were looking at 2 years in jail. They would sulk away.

I have cut back on my drinking, mostly because I hate drinking alone and my roomate who is 27 drinks like a damn fish so I cant really keep anything in the house unless I hide it. I work with 4 people under 30 that dont drink at all, it kind of suprised me at first. But most of them toke up instead. I think the one good thing about that is I dont have to deal with people being late due to hangovers.
 
2014-01-09 12:48:46 PM
I don't mind drinking once in a while, mostly with friends. However, as soon as I feel a little bit tipsy, that's it. Perhaps I'm just a little paranoid, but in the age of youtube, I'd rather not risk having someone post a video online of me doing something really stupid because I was shiatfaced.
 
2014-01-09 12:59:42 PM
Seeing a family member descend into full blown, get the shakes if he doesn't get a drink at 11am, drunk took the glamor away for me..

Scared I could end up like that, so I just quit.

Such a shiatty drug
 
2014-01-09 01:08:48 PM
I don't really don't drink, as I don't care for the taste of most alcoholic beverages. I've been trying lately to acquire the taste, but I still would prefer a bowl over a beer any day of the week.
 
2014-01-09 01:20:53 PM

trippycrazy12: I don't mind drinking once in a while, mostly with friends. However, as soon as I feel a little bit tipsy, that's it. Perhaps I'm just a little paranoid, but in the age of youtube, I'd rather not risk having someone post a video online of me doing something really stupid because I was shiatfaced.


I'm the same.  As soon as my cheeks start to feel the slightest bit rosy, I put the drink down and get a glass of water.  I like being in control of what I say, and always worry that if I drink too much, I'll start getting obnoxious around my friends.


Pincy: I've saved a ton of money by not drinking.  That's the primary reason I don't.  Also, most people are assholes when they are drunk and I don't want to be an asshole.


And this is why I don't drink much when at a restaurant or bar.  I can get a 1.75L bottle of Grey Goose for $45 at Costco, which can make about 30 mixed drinks, or I can order that many drinks while out and run up a $200+ tab.  The markup for beer and cider is even worse.

For the cost of a few drinks per person at a bar, you can instead throw a back-yard BBQ.  And at least when I throw them, I have air mattresses and sleeping bags for guests so that nobody feels obligated to drive or call a cab.
 
2014-01-09 01:53:55 PM

Fissile: This is certainly the case with me. My father was a high functioning alky. He went to work everyday, and paid the bills, but when he was home, we was always drunk. Not very many fun family outings while growing up with my family.


I was lucky. Both my parents were functional alcoholics, but were never the mean kind. My sister and I joked that my mother's theme song was UB40's Red Red Wine. They never got black-out drunk, but hovered just past buzzed for hours. My dad already has a natural 18 charisma score, and the alcohol acted as a lubricant for it.  My mother was an affectioate drunk, which I am sure my dad appreciated in his youth.

They have really cut down since their grandkids were born, which I appreciate.
 
2014-01-09 01:55:28 PM

Lady J: Whiskey Dickens: tiamet4: My husband doesn't drink.  Doesn't feel any strong objection to it, just "isn't interested".  Thus I have a lifetime DD.  WIN!

I know a few other people my age (late 20's early 30's) who are the same.  I personally was never interested in getting drunk and disliked the few times I have been drunk so I don't drink very much.  Seeing my friends get wasted annoyed me and I never want to be the drunk chick making a fool of herself.

You guys sound like a riot at parties.  Sober and judgy.

as ever, there's a mahoosive gulf between drinking, and being annoyingly drunk. alcohol is my close personal friend, but im a farking awful drunk, so i drink virtually every day but never get drunk drunk

i don't trust people who dont drink at all. it's weird


Exactly.  My husband doesn't drink but he doesn't judge and is usually happy to see others having a good time.  I was usually annoyed because I was the sober one taking care of them.  Usually as long as you're in control and happy, I don't mind partying with you.  I love wine and cocktails.  I just don't like going over a certain level of intoxication (warm and giggly is fun.  "Did I really do THAT last night?" is unpleasant, having been there once or twice).
 
2014-01-09 02:05:30 PM
Crudbucket:

Then I joined the Army and became a regular little black-out drunk for about 5 years. Good times!

Same.  In my late teens, I was dead against smoking, drinking, drugs, junk food.  I ate healthy and exercised all the time, because "my body is a temple."  Then I joined the infantry...then I spent a good 6 years smoking cigarettes and drinking and eating triple cheeseburgers from Wendy's.

Stopped the booze and nicotine habit.  The food...well, that's proven to be the hardest for me.
 
2014-01-09 02:24:47 PM

Silly_Sot: This is easy to explain. Teenagers have no clue about the reality of life. When they hit middle age, they understand how things really work. At that point, it's either hit the sauce or go on a killing spree.


yup.. reality's a biatch.  and they're teenagers, they're still thin and attractive.  once the only option for sex is a fat saggy wrinkled sack of meat, they'll come running to the dark side.
 
2014-01-09 02:26:22 PM

H31N0US: I recently cut back on drinking, mostly to get rid of the gut, but partly because I'm getting bored of it.

/old


Five years ago this would have been an incomprehensible statement to me.

Today, it's reality.

/gut is on last stage of disappearing
//6 pack by summer if I keep it up
 
2014-01-09 04:26:44 PM

gadian: I'd agree that the best argument against drinking is drunk people.  I farking hate drunk people.  Loud, obnoxious, over-emotional, stumbling, irresponsible assholes. Do you have to drink to get drunk?  No, no you don't.  Drinking can be quite fun without losing your friends over your embarrassing lack of self-restraint.  But you wouldn't know it with all the pissed faced, puking idiots everywhere that serves alcohol.


I'm a glass is half full type.  Being drunk makes being around other drunk people much more fun.
 
2014-01-09 06:13:55 PM

KidKorporate: My current girlfriend seems to have a bit of a drinking problem, she doesn't get wasted or even tipsy, but things tend to fall apart for her unless shes on a steady drip of it throughout the day.  It's given me enough pause to curtail my own intake well below what it's been in years, so I thank her for that.


The fact that she 'falls apart' from alchohol withdraw concerns me. Have you mentioned your concerns to her? She might be self-medicating deeper underlying issues that may require a medical response.

tldr: don't stick it in crazy.
 
2014-01-09 06:24:27 PM

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The same reason I never thought smoking was cool.


That's the hottest 32 year old I've ever seen.
 
2014-01-09 06:35:30 PM
I've just never really seen the attraction in drinking. It just doesn't do anything for me, as an idea. I've tried a few times out of pretty much pure curiosity, trying to understand what makes it so important to people, but I remain clueless.

Of course, the fact that the taste of most alcoholic beverages makes me gag doesn't help. I don't know why, but the majority I've ever tried just end up tasting like horribly bitter chemicals, even the supposed 'good stuff'. It's to the point that for the stronger ones it takes a act of will to not puke if I try to drink them, and even weaker drinks I can't usually force myself to finish them. The only real exception are wine coolers, which are pretty much just alcoholic pop, and even those start to become unpalatable after the first. Maybe I just have weird taste buds, but I've never been physically able to choke down enough alcohol to get drunk.

But hey, I'm not taking in huge amounts of liquid calories on a regular basis or spending gobs of money on ethanol-based substances, and I won't ever show up drunk on youtube, so I've got that going for me.
 
2014-01-09 07:44:31 PM
This is the case for my bro, sis and I.  My bro and I have drank when we were younger, but lost interest later.  When we go to family reunions, we are the few adults not drinking.  One time my bro was asked why by an uncle, my bro replied, "Dad drank enough for all his kids."  Although, my older sis has been carrying on the family tradition.
 
2014-01-09 09:18:06 PM
I'm not saying why, but very regularly when Labour is in office, the amount of drinking and alcoholism skyrockets, but then it plummets when Conservatives are elected.
 
2014-01-09 11:33:36 PM

ErinPac: redmid17: fickenchucker: I know the article is from England, but my theory here is youngsters are afraid of the Draconian penalties for underage drinking.  When I was a kid the worst that would happen is a simple ticket no-one cared about, but often the result of getting caught was confiscation of one's fake I.D. and a boot out the door.

Now it's practically the same punishment and hand wringing as if a kid got caught playing a real life Dexter.

Kudos to many kids for being mature about their futures, but boooo on society for making a mountain out of a molehill.

Have things really gone that strict that quickly? When I was in college (all of 5 years ago), it was a $300-400 ticket. That's not chump change by any means, but the punishment was always community service and a diversion. You gave them the cash and spent some time picking up trash, and your record stayed clean.

Now a fake ID was another ticket, usually one that they didn't accept diversions on, but that's another story.

Some states have added driver's license suspensions for a few months, but a lot are still fines, with a few harsher exceptions.  The penalties are much more on DUI's, and in some places on fake ID's, but that's a bit different.  They tend to target the sellers more.  Bars are risking a lot if they're ever caught serving underage, so they probably check more than they used to.

If you're curious...  http://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/crime-penalties/federal/minor-al c ohol-possession.htm
Arkansas actually mentions choosing between probation and an essay (+ fine).



Yeah, it's gotten bad in only 25 years.  When I went to Madison in '87 pot possession was a $5 ticket and getting caught underage in a bar was just getting thrown out.  Now the bars get huge fines to force them to card, and the personal tickets are pretty huge.  Plus there are driver's license issues these days.

For my altered driver's license, pre-9/11, a cop found it (long story), was amazed at my workmanship, took it, and chuckled.  Now it could escalate into a big friggin' deal about document forgery, etc.
 
2014-01-10 01:44:58 PM
heh. Sounds like 15 year olds who've taken the chastity pledge. "I'm never gonna do that! Gross!"
 
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