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(WMUR New Hampshire)   Police: He was belligerent, resisting. Suspect's Lawyer: That's what your report says, now let's go to the video. FBI, US Attorney: Yeah, let's go to that HOLY FARK. (w/ Video of "belligerence, resisting")   (wmur.com ) divider line
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2014-01-09 01:00:22 PM  

duffblue: This happened to a white boy in the pretty liberal state of New Hampshire, imagine what it's like for black kids somewhere like Bloomberg's New York.


I'm guessing you've never been to NH.
 
2014-01-09 01:00:35 PM  

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: Most cops I know arrest people for domestics issues or grab people for OUI. How many cops actually risk their lives ONCE during their career?


Your state may be different but in Illinois, the police pull drivers over for driving offenses in order to keep the streets safer.  I don't want to imagine how bad driving in Chicago would be if there were no police enforcement, it's bad enough as it is.  Anyway, when a police officer pulls me over, he/she's not risking his/her life at all.  I'm no threat, I'm a pretty decent guy.  But sometimes when police officers pull people over, the person inside might be carrying a gun and lots of drugs.  How do you know which cars have nice people like me and which cars have drug runners with guns?  You don't.  Every single time a police officer pulls a person over, that officer is risking his/her life.  This is of course, saying nothing about them risking their lives by getting out of their car on the side of the highway with cars going 70MPH a few feet away from them.

Now in your area, I know you say there are lots of domestic disputes that police show up to.  If you're an officer wandering up to knock on the door of a domestic dispute, what's inside?  Is it just two people yelling kinda loud no big deal, or does one of them have a weapon?  You don't know.  By knocking on that door and heading inside, you're taking a risk.

So to answer your question how many cops risk their lives once during their career, I would go with "every single one."
 
2014-01-09 01:09:25 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: /you have to understand. Put yourself in an officers position. Nobody likes you, nobody wants to see you in the rear view mirror, unless you called them for help.  All you see, every day, is brutality by people to one another, drunks that want to fight, drug users that abuse their kids, spouses. Murders and rapes, child molestations.  You get the picture. Add to that, that everyone is watching you, and hoping that you do something wrong so they can sue. Courts, citizens, your other officers, and the brass. All have their eyes on what you're doing, and how your doing it. After so many years of this, one tends to become hard, jaded. You have to, just to survive.  And it is possible to be a good cop through all this, but...it is difficult. We are the product of our environment, and it shapes you after so many years. Everyone lies to you, and you can't trust anyone.  Think of all that, before you say its "power" that makes cops "bad". Its not that, its what they have to go through and see every day.


And this is why I'm always polite and cooperative with cops. These guys have a dangerous, stressful job that's critical to their communities, and all day long they take shiat from people, most of whom hate cops not because they've ever personally had a bad experience, but because it was cool to hate cops when they were teenagers and they never quite grew out of it. Be nice to the cops, and most of the time, they will be nice to you, because it will make their whole day to deal with someone who's not full of shiat.

And for those of you who are never happy to see the cops, let me tell you, you're pretty damned lucky if you've never been in a situation where you were happy to see the cops. Given the choice between being hassled by a cop for no reason and really *needing* the cops, I'll take the hassle any day. I was about 12 the first time I was happy to see the cops. I was 14 the first time I had to call them myself. Think about that, and consider how farking lucky you are.

Do some cops do bad things? Yes, and even good cops have bad days where they lose their temper and cross the line. Is the system for dealing with it broken? Absolutely. It needs to be fixed so that cops like the ones in that video get the punishment they deserve, because for most people -- not just cops -- it's the fear of consequences that keeps them in line, not some innate sense of morality. I know we'd all like to believe that cops should be better than the rest of us, and in an ideal world they would be, but we don't live in that world. We live in reality, where most people are shiatbags who won't think twice about lying, cheating, stealing, or worse if they think they can get away with it.

The cops are supposed to be the ones keeping everyone else in line. We need to stop letting them get away with this shiat. But walking around with an "all cops are bad" attitude doesn't help anybody... and you're going to feel pretty stupid when the day comes that you really need them.
 
2014-01-09 01:16:00 PM  

La Maudite: The cops are supposed to be the ones keeping everyone else in line. We need to stop letting them get away with this shiat. But walking around with an "all cops are bad" attitude doesn't help anybody... and you're going to feel pretty stupid when the day comes that you really need them.


We have no ability to stop them getting away from it.  Cops are held to a lower standard regarding the law and have protections that "regular" people do not.  It should be the other way around.  If a cop breaks a public trust the consequences should be worse.  If you get into a fight at a club and punch someone, most likely nothing will end up happening.  If that someone is a cop, you have now assaulted an officer and are looking at probable jail time, despite the fact the cop was not on duty, nor in uniform.
 
2014-01-09 01:16:09 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: MindStalker: vudukungfu: Whoah
They slam his head into a wall, pick him up, throw him down, then pepper spray him?
Yeah.
I can see they will be getting a harsh punishment of paid leave and no jelly donuts.

A good explanation of the logic/legal reasoning behind paid leave http://www.reddit.com/r/ProtectAndServe/comments/1s01lr/most_common_m y th/cdslvma
Paid leave isn't the punishment, its taking them off the street while the investigation is happening. Also there is an issue of special Miranda issues dealing with police.
Read the link its eye opening.

I stopped reading right about where he started whining that Garrity takes away their fifth amendment rights.

/tiny violins all around
//switch them back to Miranda, they aren't somehow magically above the law


Oh geez, finish reading it, one statement of whine doesn't magically make the information incorrect.
 
2014-01-09 01:24:29 PM  

Weaver95: And this is why I don't trust the cops anymore....i'm sure there are good ones out there who do the job and aren't violent sociopaths but....yeah.  still ain't trusting the cops.


You and I agree on little, but we agree on this.

I enjoy shows like Adam-12 and Dragnet, and I had nothing but positive experiences with law enforcement growing up, but that was decades ago; I'll soon be having the conversation with my oldest child about the police, and how and why to avoid them if at all possible - even if you're 100% legally, ethically, and morally right in what you're doing.
 
2014-01-09 01:27:10 PM  

ReverendJasen: vudukungfu: They slam his head into a wall, pick him up, throw him down, then pepper spray him?
Yeah.

Then stand there smiling, all proud of themselves, while laughing at him.
Scumbags.


I noticed that too.. mother farkers.. If I was on a jury and saw those shiat eating grins I would totally call that some foul play.
 
2014-01-09 01:27:51 PM  

La Maudite: The cops are supposed to be the ones keeping everyone else in line. We need to stop letting them get away with this shiat. But walking around with an "all cops are bad" attitude doesn't help anybody... and you're going to feel pretty stupid when the day comes that you really need them.


That day came for me. I called 911 to report domestic violence. The cops arrived, heard both sides, saw my injuries, had her confession to starting everything and causing said injuries, and they reacted promptly and professionally by arresting me. So thanks, but I'll weight my experience over your appeal to emotion, and especially over this bit of drivel:

La Maudite: Given the choice between being hassled by a cop for no reason and really *needing* the cops, I'll take the hassle any day.


WTF are you, 10? There's no excuse for hassling, period.
 
2014-01-09 01:31:01 PM  
Video. It`s the only weapon against them that will work. Any *actual* weapons just let the lawmakers make laws to let them combat whatever you will come up with.

Video on the other hand is everywhere. It sees everything. It`s hard to ban. Judges believe it over the word of a cop and it is a rare thing for that.

The instant you encounter the police start recording video. It may save your life.

It`s terrible but true. The only way they will stop this crap is by being caught doing this crap and not getting away with it.

The reputation of the force suffers every time one of them gets away with something like this.
 
2014-01-09 01:37:05 PM  
Those who give up rights for protection deserve neither.
 
2014-01-09 01:41:20 PM  

dready zim: Video. It`s the only weapon against them that will work. Any *actual* weapons just let the lawmakers make laws to let them combat whatever you will come up with.

Video on the other hand is everywhere. It sees everything. It`s hard to ban. Judges believe it over the word of a cop and it is a rare thing for that.

The instant you encounter the police start recording video. It may save your life.

It`s terrible but true. The only way they will stop this crap is by being caught doing this crap and not getting away with it.

The reputation of the force suffers every time one of them gets away with something like this.


Every single bit of interaction with cops should be recorded, from initial conversation to any conversations  to interrogations.  If any of that footage is missing all charges should be dropped.  I had a brother that was in county lock-up that got assaulted by guards on camera.  Oddly enough they were unable tor retrieve any of the footage during the time that it occurred even though he ended up in the hospital.  They were going to transfer him from the hospital back to the lock-up until he lawyered up and magically all of the charges against him were dropped.
 
2014-01-09 01:46:24 PM  

Mikey1969: Wow... While slamming  him into the wall is bad, THIS part is bullshiat, too:

In the report, Dietenhofer said that Richardson "gained control of Bergeron," saying the teen was later pepper sprayed because he refused to stand up.

Really? "Because he didn't stand up?" Fark you assholes. And for the people here who are police, and who know police, it's people like this who drag that image through the mud. And it's not like this is an isolated incident, who the fark is supporting these pricks? The unions need to do some DEEP soul searching, and start setting up a code of conduct defining who they will and who they won't fight to protect.


the unions are there to make sure their due paying members continue to pay.
 
2014-01-09 01:48:23 PM  

lennavan: Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: Most cops I know arrest people for domestics issues or grab people for OUI. How many cops actually risk their lives ONCE during their career?

Your state may be different but in Illinois, the police pull drivers over for driving offenses in order to keep the streets safer.  I don't want to imagine how bad driving in Chicago would be if there were no police enforcement, it's bad enough as it is.  Anyway, when a police officer pulls me over, he/she's not risking his/her life at all.  I'm no threat, I'm a pretty decent guy.  But sometimes when police officers pull people over, the person inside might be carrying a gun and lots of drugs.  How do you know which cars have nice people like me and which cars have drug runners with guns?  You don't.  Every single time a police officer pulls a person over, that officer is risking his/her life.  This is of course, saying nothing about them risking their lives by getting out of their car on the side of the highway with cars going 70MPH a few feet away from them.

Now in your area, I know you say there are lots of domestic disputes that police show up to.  If you're an officer wandering up to knock on the door of a domestic dispute, what's inside?  Is it just two people yelling kinda loud no big deal, or does one of them have a weapon?  You don't know.  By knocking on that door and heading inside, you're taking a risk.

So to answer your question how many cops risk their lives once during their career, I would go with "every single one."


Not true. Every time a cop pull someone over they are NOT risking their life. If the person in the car is a dangerous felon with a gun then maybe they are, but otherwise when they pull over John Q Citizen for rolling through a red light, then they most certainly are not risking their life. I have heard of cops who have not even fired a shot after being a cop 20+ years. Same with firefighters....if you run in to a burning building to save a child, then you have risked your life and you are a hero. If you go to a fire and stand at the curb with the other firefighters while someone directs a hose in to a flame, then you are not risking your life and you are not a hero.
I remember here in Boston that all the cops were HERO's after the marathon bombing. Reality is that they locked down a whole town, a campus cop was killed by the suspects, one brother ran over the other and a private citizen found the other brother in his boat in the backyard. Yeah....real heroes.
 
2014-01-09 01:53:30 PM  
Cops are criminals hiding behind a badge. Hey cop, kill yourself.
 
2014-01-09 01:55:00 PM  

Carousel Beast: La Maudite: The cops are supposed to be the ones keeping everyone else in line. We need to stop letting them get away with this shiat. But walking around with an "all cops are bad" attitude doesn't help anybody... and you're going to feel pretty stupid when the day comes that you really need them.

That day came for me. I called 911 to report domestic violence. The cops arrived, heard both sides, saw my injuries, had her confession to starting everything and causing said injuries, and they reacted promptly and professionally by arresting me.


When I was 12, my mother went into a drunken rage and started beating me with a large stick. My dad, also drunk (they were pretty much always drunk) tried to stop her, and she pulled off one of her high heels and started beating him in the head with it, tearing a large gash in his scalp. The sight of the blood pouring down his face freaked her out and she ran upstairs and locked herself in their bedroom. He called 911. They sent police and paramedics, and while the paramedics got the bleeding under control, the cops interviewed both my parents.

My mother claimed my dad fell in the bathroom and hit his head on the toilet. My dad didn't want to say anything at all, but I handed them the bloody shoe and told them what happened. I'm pretty sure they believed me, because my little brother and I got to ride in the ambulance with our dad rather than being left home with our mother. Nobody got arrested. My dad declined to file charges, but they contacted social services and we were all required to go to family counseling for three months. Not that it did any good, because my mother is a consummate liar and my dad loved her too much to say a word against her. The whole time I was growing up he never once did anything to hurt her. One night I remember her throwing an entire set of dishes at him one at a time. He just folded his arms, stood there, and took it.

Since I wasn't there when you called the cops, I don't know what happened or what either of you said to them or how either of you behaved. I do know that 35 years ago, domestic abuse of men by women was something that wasn't even talked about, but the cops who responded obviously saw what was going on at my house and handled it the right way. I'm sorry they didn't handle your situation as well. Unfortunately, most people still don't really take female-on-male violence seriously. I hope you ended that relationship, because that shiat is never acceptable under any circumstances, period.

So thanks, but I'll weight my experience over your appeal to emotion, and especially over this bit of drivel:

La Maudite: Given the choice between being hassled by a cop for no reason and really *needing* the cops, I'll take the hassle any day.

WTF are you, 10? There's no excuse for hassling, period.


I didn't say there was an excuse for it. I said that given the choice between *needing* the cops and being hassled by them, I'd prefer the hassle. Obviously the cops shouldn't be hassling people for no reason, but any situation where you really need the cops is a hell of a lot shiattier.
 
2014-01-09 02:00:31 PM  
Meh, I say slam everyone who dresses like that into walls.

It's very easy to live a life free of involvement with law enforcement.
 
2014-01-09 02:07:32 PM  
Very disappointing. I had a huge positive experience with the Seabrook police department years ago.
 
2014-01-09 02:11:25 PM  

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: Every time a cop pull someone over they are NOT risking their life. If the person in the car is a dangerous felon with a gun then maybe they are, but otherwise when they pull over John Q Citizen for rolling through a red light, then they most certainly are not risking their life.


Agreed.  I'm a cop and I just pulled someone over.  I'm posting from my iPhone.  Is the guy in front of me a felon with a gun who just stole a car and it hasn't been reported yet, or is it John Q Citizen.  I need to know ASAP, thanks.

Oh wait, you don't know?  You have no farking clue and the only way I will know is AFTER I get out of the car and start talking with them?  Well then you realize I'm taking a risk by walking up to that car, right?

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: I remember here in Boston that all the cops were HERO's after the marathon bombing. Reality is that they locked down a whole town, a campus cop was killed by the suspects, one brother ran over the other and a private citizen found the other brother in his boat in the backyard. Yeah....real heroes.


Hey, I just got a call on my police radio.  Two guys just shot and killed a cop, bombed major public area killing 3 people and injuring hundreds more.  They stole a car, some other cops chased them and they all got into a big gunfight, the kind like you see in the movies and shiat.  The guys were actually throwing "crude grenades" and another bomb at those cops.  During that, one of the guys was shot and killed but the other one hopped back into the SUV and drove away, actually running over the other guy's body.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure the second guy is in that house right there.  I'd go knock on the door but it's no big deal, I mean clearly you wouldn't be risking your life by doing it so I'm hoping you'll do it for me while I get to the more dangerous stuff.

Thanks.
 
2014-01-09 02:30:25 PM  

Ghastly: MmmmBacon:
It's a catch-22, though. If they aren't put on paid administrative leave while under investigation, then every BS abuse report that gets filed - and yes, there are many false abuse claims made against cops - would drive good cops out of the profession. I feel bad cops should be held to account for their abuses, absolutely, but taking away paid administrative leave during these investigations won't solve the problem. Putting the bad cops in jail when they break the law would, though.

There should be mandatory badge cameras on all cops and any video footage that is "lost" during an arrest results in the nullification of all charges.

This will protect the good cops from false accusations and prevent the bad cops from getting away with their abuse. In this day and age there is absolutely no reason this technology can not be made available and affordable. If I was a cop I'd carry my own camera just to cover my own ass. But then again, I'm not a raging psychopath either.


THIS. Make cop cameras mandatory already.
 
2014-01-09 02:41:47 PM  

La Maudite: my mother


Sounds like my ex.
I finally got out.
She's a bag lady now.
I see her pushing her cart with her crack babbys behind her.

I hope you have found peace and wellness.
 
2014-01-09 02:50:30 PM  

notatrollorami: I know this is supposed to be a cop hate thread and all, and maybe I'm alone in this and cynical, but based on the comments I read I was underwhelmed by the video. There's plenty of serious police brutality out there; I'm just not sure this rises to the level I'm going to go apeshiat about.



The only time i would back a zero tolerance policy would be about police abuses, they have way too much power over the average citizen to not be held up to a higher standard.

/cops should be paladins
 
2014-01-09 02:52:14 PM  
But who will host AFV now?
 
2014-01-09 03:04:23 PM  

lennavan: Anyway, I'm pretty sure the second guy is in that house right there. I'd go knock on the door but it's no big deal, I mean clearly you wouldn't be risking your life by doing it so I'm hoping you'll do it for me while I get to the more dangerous stuff.


I'm a race car driver.  Every day that I'm at the track (either for a race, qualifying, practice, whatever) As I'm going into the high bank curve several thoughts enter my mind.  Are my tires good, is there something on the track that might be problematic, is this other driver going to put me into the wall?  I am putting my life on the line every day when I go to work, and I do it for you, the public, for all the thanks I get.

You picked the job, knowing what it entailed.  You made a choice, the public shouldn't be punished for it.

//not a race car driver.
 
2014-01-09 03:20:20 PM  

lennavan: Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: Every time a cop pull someone over they are NOT risking their life. If the person in the car is a dangerous felon with a gun then maybe they are, but otherwise when they pull over John Q Citizen for rolling through a red light, then they most certainly are not risking their life.

Agreed.  I'm a cop and I just pulled someone over.  I'm posting from my iPhone.  Is the guy in front of me a felon with a gun who just stole a car and it hasn't been reported yet, or is it John Q Citizen.  I need to know ASAP, thanks.

Oh wait, you don't know?  You have no farking clue and the only way I will know is AFTER I get out of the car and start talking with them?  Well then you realize I'm taking a risk by walking up to that car, right?

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: I remember here in Boston that all the cops were HERO's after the marathon bombing. Reality is that they locked down a whole town, a campus cop was killed by the suspects, one brother ran over the other and a private citizen found the other brother in his boat in the backyard. Yeah....real heroes.

Hey, I just got a call on my police radio.  Two guys just shot and killed a cop, bombed major public area killing 3 people and injuring hundreds more.  They stole a car, some other cops chased them and they all got into a big gunfight, the kind like you see in the movies and shiat.  The guys were actually throwing "crude grenades" and another bomb at those cops.  During that, one of the guys was shot and killed but the other one hopped back into the SUV and drove away, actually running over the other guy's body.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure the second guy is in that house right there.  I'd go knock on the door but it's no big deal, I mean clearly you wouldn't be risking your life by doing it so I'm hoping you'll do it for me while I get to the more dangerous stuff.

Thanks.


By your definition every retail worker isa hero as well . How do they know their customers are not armed sociopaths?
 
2014-01-09 03:23:26 PM  

MyRandomName: lennavan: Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: Every time a cop pull someone over they are NOT risking their life. If the person in the car is a dangerous felon with a gun then maybe they are, but otherwise when they pull over John Q Citizen for rolling through a red light, then they most certainly are not risking their life.

Agreed.  I'm a cop and I just pulled someone over.  I'm posting from my iPhone.  Is the guy in front of me a felon with a gun who just stole a car and it hasn't been reported yet, or is it John Q Citizen.  I need to know ASAP, thanks.

Oh wait, you don't know?  You have no farking clue and the only way I will know is AFTER I get out of the car and start talking with them?  Well then you realize I'm taking a risk by walking up to that car, right?

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: I remember here in Boston that all the cops were HERO's after the marathon bombing. Reality is that they locked down a whole town, a campus cop was killed by the suspects, one brother ran over the other and a private citizen found the other brother in his boat in the backyard. Yeah....real heroes.

Hey, I just got a call on my police radio.  Two guys just shot and killed a cop, bombed major public area killing 3 people and injuring hundreds more.  They stole a car, some other cops chased them and they all got into a big gunfight, the kind like you see in the movies and shiat.  The guys were actually throwing "crude grenades" and another bomb at those cops.  During that, one of the guys was shot and killed but the other one hopped back into the SUV and drove away, actually running over the other guy's body.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure the second guy is in that house right there.  I'd go knock on the door but it's no big deal, I mean clearly you wouldn't be risking your life by doing it so I'm hoping you'll do it for me while I get to the more dangerous stuff.

Thanks.

By your definition every retail worker isa hero as well . How do they know their customers are not armed sociopaths?


Hell, by that definition, I'm a hero just for driving to work every day.  How do I know that I'm not going to be run off the road by some idiot?
 
2014-01-09 03:30:49 PM  
...pull your pants up, and you won't slip into those walls.
 
2014-01-09 03:38:02 PM  

mjbok: lennavan: Anyway, I'm pretty sure the second guy is in that house right there. I'd go knock on the door but it's no big deal, I mean clearly you wouldn't be risking your life by doing it so I'm hoping you'll do it for me while I get to the more dangerous stuff.

I'm a race car driver.  Every day that I'm at the track (either for a race, qualifying, practice, whatever) As I'm going into the high bank curve several thoughts enter my mind.  Are my tires good, is there something on the track that might be problematic, is this other driver going to put me into the wall?  I am putting my life on the line every day when I go to work, and I do it for you, the public, for all the thanks I get.

You picked the job, knowing what it entailed.  You made a choice, the public shouldn't be punished for it.

//not a race car driver.



Uh, wait, what?  The post I was responding to said hardly any police officers ever risk their lives while on the job.  It seems you agree.  So, uhh... WTF was the rest of this about?
 
2014-01-09 03:39:35 PM  

lennavan: mjbok: lennavan: Anyway, I'm pretty sure the second guy is in that house right there. I'd go knock on the door but it's no big deal, I mean clearly you wouldn't be risking your life by doing it so I'm hoping you'll do it for me while I get to the more dangerous stuff.

I'm a race car driver.  Every day that I'm at the track (either for a race, qualifying, practice, whatever) As I'm going into the high bank curve several thoughts enter my mind.  Are my tires good, is there something on the track that might be problematic, is this other driver going to put me into the wall?  I am putting my life on the line every day when I go to work, and I do it for you, the public, for all the thanks I get.

You picked the job, knowing what it entailed.  You made a choice, the public shouldn't be punished for it.

//not a race car driver.

Uh, wait, what?  The post I was responding to said hardly any police officers ever risk their lives while on the job.  I disagreed and gave examples of how yes, they do actually risk their lives.It seems you agree.  So, uhh... WTF was the rest of this about?


I added the bolded bit to clarify things.
 
2014-01-09 03:41:24 PM  

MyRandomName: By your definition every retail worker isa hero as well . How do they know their customers are not armed sociopaths?


I didn't actually argue they are heroes, I only argued that they are risking their lives.  See for instance the beginning of the conversation:

lennavan: Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: Most cops I know arrest people for domestics issues or grab people for OUI. How many cops actually risk their lives ONCE during their career?

...

So to answer your question how many cops risk their lives once during their career, I would go with "every single one."

 
2014-01-09 03:47:02 PM  

lennavan: WTF was the rest of this about?


Putting your life on the line in a job (or just being out in public) is not a unique thing to cops and should garner them not one iota of consideration when they abuse their power.  The fact that they do (though it, like my example, is exaggerated) put their lives out there should not be a surprise to them as it is a known thing when you take that job.  You can't take a job swimming with sharks and then say you deserve extra consideration because you deal with sharks, that's the job you signed up for.

When I was a kid I looked up to cops.  As I got older I was more leery because maybe I did a thing or two I shouldn't and cops could have caused problems for me.  As I got into adulthood I've seen way too many real world examples of the abuse of authority with little to no consequences or punishments if they are actually found to be doing these things.  I've told my children do not trust cops, ever, unless it is a cop you know personally.  Never talk to a cop without a lawyer present.  I've told them cops are not your friends, and by and large it's a statement I stand behind.
 
2014-01-09 03:51:52 PM  

mjbok: Putting your life on the line in a job (or just being out in public) is not a unique thing to cops


Where the fark did you get the idea that I was saying it is unique to cops?

mjbok: consideration when they abuse their power


Who the fark is talking about when they abuse their power?

Look, I don't mind you jumping in one of my conversations.  It's a public forum, I do it all the time.  But for farks sake, you can't just imagine what I was saying and then attack me for it.  Well, apparently you can but man you're a jackass for doing it.

No one is forcing you to be a jackass, so why are you choosing to be one?
 
2014-01-09 04:02:53 PM  

lennavan: Oh wait, you don't know? You have no farking clue and the only way I will know is AFTER I get out of the car and start talking with them? Well then you realize I'm taking a risk by walking up to that car, right?


It's the same risk we all take every single time we leave our homes to go anywhere. You don't want risk, stay the fark home.
 
2014-01-09 04:03:22 PM  

lennavan: Look, I don't mind you jumping in one of my conversations. It's a public forum, I do it all the time. But for farks sake, you can't just imagine what I was saying and then attack me for it. Well, apparently you can but man you're a jackass for doing it.


Perhaps I am combining statements from two different posters together, and if that is the case I apologize.  It was said in this thread that one of the reasons cops are the way they are is because they are viewed as threats, enemies, bad people, etc. and it jades them along with the fact that they put their lives on the line.  I may have joined that statement with yours about risking their lives together, because at some point in this thread it was offered up as an excuse.

As I said, if that part wasn't from you, I apologize, but the fact is that many people put their lives on the line for work.  Delivery drivers, taxi drivers, cops, firemen, drug dealers, Kayne, soldiers, doctors, security guards, cashiers, candle stick makers, etc.  The fact that they do doesn't make them special or give them the latitude that they often take.
 
2014-01-09 04:06:10 PM  

mjbok: As I said, if that part wasn't from you, I apologize, but the fact is that many people put their lives on the line for work. Delivery drivers, taxi drivers, cops, firemen, drug dealers, Kayne, soldiers, doctors, security guards, cashiers, candle stick makers,

Omarion, etc. The fact that they do doesn't make them special or give them the latitude that they often take.

Except for Omarion. He's special. Pray for him.
 
2014-01-09 04:11:28 PM  

MooseUpNorth: Except for Omarion. He's special. Pray for him


I knew I forgot one.  And it was an obvious one, too.
 
2014-01-09 04:14:32 PM  

mjbok: It was said in this thread that one of the reasons cops are the way they are is because they are viewed as threats, enemies, bad people, etc. and it jades them along with the fact that they put their lives on the line.


That wasn't me, that was Bit'O'Gristle.

mjbok: because at some point in this thread it was offered up as an excuse.


He didn't offer it as an excuse, he offered it as an explanation.

mjbok: but the fact is that many people put their lives on the line for work.


That is true.  The post I responded to was talking about the Boston Marathon Bombing.  That was the context.

mjbok: Delivery drivers, taxi drivers


You'll pardon me if I think the cops chasing down the Boston Marathon Bombers who had already murdered a cop and detonated a few bombs was slightly more dangerous than being a delivery driver.

mjbok: The fact that they do doesn't make them special or give them the latitude that they often take.


Yeah, that's not what anyone in this thread was saying.
 
2014-01-09 04:19:43 PM  

lennavan: He didn't offer it as an excuse, he offered it as an explanation.


Explanation as to why, excuse...I see it as the same thing.

lennavan: You'll pardon me if I think the cops chasing down the Boston Marathon Bombers who had already murdered a cop and detonated a few bombs was slightly more dangerous than being a delivery driver.


What happened in neighborhoods as the cops were trying to find the bombers doesn't help.  You saw the cops break the law regarding force and due process while trying to do their job.
 
2014-01-09 04:20:34 PM  

lennavan: You'll pardon me if I think the cops chasing down the Boston Marathon Bombers who had already murdered a cop and detonated a few bombs was slightly more dangerous than being a delivery driver.


They both pale beside working in an industrial meat cutting plant.  That profession is usually wrestling for the top position on "dangerous jobs" stats with Loggers and commercial fisherman in terms of serious injuries per hours worked.

/grist
 
2014-01-09 04:44:35 PM  

xanadian: OnlyM3: neongoats

Cops are civilians, just saying. They aren't some special pseudo military protected class. Any farking useless pig farker that tells you different... They absolutely are a protected class. They have dozens of protections from prosecution that Joe-6-pack would never have.

They also have other special laws and protections that pertain to them.  You can beat up your neighbor for blaring loud music at 2 AM (for example) and get maybe a few months in jail...probably just probation and a fine or something.   You beat up a COP for doing the same thing and you're royally screwed.

Lord-Fark-Wad: They would probably sit in jail while prosecutors can trump up the charges to make sure that what ever plea is reached it greater punishment than if the offender simply went to trial.

Up here, if you don't accept a plea deal and try to take it to trial, they put the screws to you and try to find other charges to hit you with.

A justice system we do not have.  It's barely even a legal system.  It's a freakin' business model.  I wonder if Maine has any for-profit prisons in it...

/I believe the prisoners in Warren make furniture for sale...


Here in WI, they refurbish wheelchairs, and make 32$ a pair of gloves... and get paid .23$/hour.
Oh, you're a victim and want compensation for all of your costs during the trial? Yeah, you get .10$/hour that he works while serving his sentence. A year after the fact.

/R.I.P. Grandpa Jim. At least they got the one dude for you.
//Good cops exist, as do competent CSI people.
///Prosecuting DA's on the other hand....
 
2014-01-09 04:48:08 PM  

darlid01: My annoying one with police happened in Minneapolis. My brother's laptop was stolen, but I had set his laptop so I could remote into it so I could fix it when he broke it. The thief put it on the network and even used my brother's facebook account to taunt him. While he was doing that, I was installing a tracking program on the laptop so it would e-mail me everytime it went online. I then provided the cops with the ISP, MAC and IP of the router and video evidence of the laptop still being used. http://youtu.be/RabAgU35n50?t=47s">http://youtu.be/RabAgU35n50?t=47s  I went online over and over and over to find the laptop online and being used. So I logged onto it and tried to find the name of the person using it. They were using Facebook. I found several usernames this way. The laptop profile was renamed Preston and one of the facebook logins was Preston Taylor. I looked him up and got a picture. Again, I shared all this with the police. Nothing happened. I started calling the police department daily and he stopped answering my calls and responding to my e-mails. I got one e-mail saying he had better things to do than track down a laptop. Finally, I got a friend from the city council involved. She called in some friends at the police department (This was shortly before the election) and I finally started to get calls back. They finally issued a subpoena and got an address. Then they sat on it again until I raised a ruckus on Facebook explaining what I had done so far. Finally, they went out and got the laptop. Now it's three months since it was stolen and I know the cops have the laptop. Of course, now I get an e-mail saying that they aren't going to prosecute because it's not a felony.

Yeah, the cops are just awesome...

Did he get the laptop back?
 
2014-01-09 05:07:16 PM  

honk: darlid01: Of course, now I get an e-mail saying that they aren't going to prosecute because it's not a felony.

Odd.  Speeding tickets aren't felonies either, but they seem willing to prosecute those.

Is there no sort of malfeasance for district attorneys who won't prosecute lawbreakers?


No. Our Outagamie County DA wouldn't prosecute my grandfather's murder for 3 years (Crime took place in 2007, trial started in 2011, the suspect was walking free for three years in the meantime).

Then my mom emailed some representatives for state congress, and voila! Started the trial proceedings with a DA from Madison.

James Park in New London.

/He lived in Los Angeles for 20 years, Washington D.C. for 50, Milwaukee for 3 years, and New London for less than one. Prior to his murder, he was robbed once, despite living in major cities with high crime rates. //You can't explain that.
 
2014-01-09 05:11:07 PM  

mjbok: Explanation as to why, excuse...I see it as the same thing.


An excuse is an attempt to help you understand why something is okay.  An explanation is simply an attempt to help you understand, it makes no argument for good/bad.  He only wants you to understand, not agree that it's also okay.

mjbok: What happened in neighborhoods as the cops were trying to find the bombers doesn't help. You saw the cops break the law regarding force and due process while trying to do their job.


So the cops were heroes for chasing the two bombers at significantly increased risk of harm or death and then later there were jackasses who listened to their superiors in their overzealous use of force and ignoring due process.  I'm okay with that.
 
2014-01-09 05:15:07 PM  

fireclown: TripSixes: Pigs are friendly creatures much like dogs.

[th07.deviantart.net image 850x850]

disagrees.


If you have enough dogs, and treat them badly enough, they could do the same thing.
Puppy mills have a whole new way to horrify you, don't they?
 
2014-01-09 05:29:51 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: MindStalker: vudukungfu: Whoah
They slam his head into a wall, pick him up, throw him down, then pepper spray him?
Yeah.
I can see they will be getting a harsh punishment of paid leave and no jelly donuts.

A good explanation of the logic/legal reasoning behind paid leave http://www.reddit.com/r/ProtectAndServe/comments/1s01lr/most_common_m y th/cdslvma
Paid leave isn't the punishment, its taking them off the street while the investigation is happening. Also there is an issue of special Miranda issues dealing with police.
Read the link its eye opening.

I stopped reading right about where he started whining that Garrity takes away their fifth amendment rights.

/tiny violins all around
//switch them back to Miranda, they aren't somehow magically above the law


Garrity makes them beneath the law. Frankly, I think it should be Garrity all around. You want your 5th amendment rights? Don't take a paycheck from the gov't.
 
2014-01-09 05:49:24 PM  

tlars699: Garrity makes them beneath the law. Frankly, I think it should be Garrity all around. You want your 5th amendment rights? Don't take a paycheck from the gov't.


It generally works the other way around.

Worried your Officer might be prosecuted for something?  Compel his testimony at an administrative hearing, and Garrity gives him criminal immunity.
 
2014-01-09 08:49:49 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: vudukungfu: Whoah
They slam his head into a wall, pick him up, throw him down, then pepper spray him?
Yeah.
I can see they will be getting a harsh punishment of paid leave and no jelly donuts.


You can tell how worried they are about that by the way they grin directly into the camera.


img.fark.net

img.fark.net

Right here. It's a subtle change, more noticeable when watching the actual video, but this is when he looks up and sees the camera and his attitude goes from smug > oh shiat > oh well.

I am the furthest thing from an aggressive, physical individual, but I would love to put boots to that ahole's face. Hopefully while he is grinning like that.

/grinder boots
//10 hole, steel toe
///still have enough sole on them to leave a print...
 
2014-01-09 09:39:17 PM  

Weaver95: ReverendJasen: vudukungfu: They slam his head into a wall, pick him up, throw him down, then pepper spray him?
Yeah.

Then stand there smiling, all proud of themselves, while laughing at him.
Scumbags.

And if you were to ask them about it, I'll bet they felt they did nothing wrong.


Nope.

Look, I'm as pro-cop as anybody you will find here; but I've said it till I'm tired, there are all kinds of REASONS why cops act this way, but not one of them counts as an EXCUSE; anymore than the REASONS for combat atrocities should be considered EXCUSES. What they should be is means for change, immediate and far-reaching.

And yet inevitably these debates devolve into "Oh you're just a bootlicking cop-fellator," and then there's no point in discussing it any further. There are both personal and institutional reasons why those cops did what they did; there are institutional and due process reasons why they got paid leave while it's being investigated; but if people want to dismiss all those reasons and start shrieking about how anyone who wants to change those reasons after serious discussion is just a pig-lover (in the same tone that people used to use the phrase n*gger-lover), then go right ahead and ensure that nothing will ever change.
 
2014-01-09 09:53:20 PM  
Move along citizen, the police are here to protect I SUPPORT THE TROOPS!!!!
 
2014-01-09 11:16:04 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Weaver95: ReverendJasen: vudukungfu: They slam his head into a wall, pick him up, throw him down, then pepper spray him?
Yeah.

Then stand there smiling, all proud of themselves, while laughing at him.
Scumbags.

And if you were to ask them about it, I'll bet they felt they did nothing wrong.

Nope.

Look, I'm as pro-cop as anybody you will find here; but I've said it till I'm tired, there are all kinds of REASONS why cops act this way, but not one of them counts as an EXCUSE; anymore than the REASONS for combat atrocities should be considered EXCUSES. What they should be is means for change, immediate and far-reaching.

And yet inevitably these debates devolve into "Oh you're just a bootlicking cop-fellator," and then there's no point in discussing it any further. There are both personal and institutional reasons why those cops did what they did; there are institutional and due process reasons why they got paid leave while it's being investigated; but if people want to dismiss all those reasons and start shrieking about how anyone who wants to change those reasons after serious discussion is just a pig-lover (in the same tone that people used to use the phrase n*gger-lover), then go right ahead and ensure that nothing will ever change.



There are reasons that everyone does what they do.  Violent scumbags laughing about their victimization of another person are no less what they are just because there are reasons that they are what they are.

If you have solutions to the diseased institutional culture and recruitment, training, disciplinary and other practices that contribute to abusive and criminal cops, that's great, if thoseconcerns aren't used to distract from or discount the culpability ofindividual officers.
 
2014-01-09 11:21:06 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Mikey1969: Wow... While slamming  him into the wall is bad, THIS part is bullshiat, too:

In the report, Dietenhofer said that Richardson "gained control of Bergeron," saying the teen was later pepper sprayed because he refused to stand up.

Really? "Because he didn't stand up?" Fark you assholes. And for the people here who are police, and who know police, it's people like this who drag that image through the mud. And it's not like this is an isolated incident, who the fark is supporting these pricks? The unions need to do some DEEP soul searching, and start setting up a code of conduct defining who they will and who they won't fight to protect.

/funny you mention that. I always told officers i worked with, or from nearby police departments, that if i was with them on a call, and they farked up a suspect with no valid cause, there is no way, none, that i would lie for them. I would tell anyone who asked that you farked him up for no reason, other than that you were pissed. I never beat a suspect who didn't fight, even if he was a scumbag who needed a good ass kicking.  And if i saw an officer do that to someone without cause, yes, i would report them. In writing. I wanted no part of slapping a suspect around with no legal justification.  THAT..is not our job. No, i wasn't popular, and thats fine. At the end of the day, i could look in the mirror and know i treated people with respect, even if they didn't do the same to me.


I believe you are for real, also I would like to clone you like fet to create an army of decent officers to serve and protect us.
 
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