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(WMUR New Hampshire)   Police: He was belligerent, resisting. Suspect's Lawyer: That's what your report says, now let's go to the video. FBI, US Attorney: Yeah, let's go to that HOLY FARK. (w/ Video of "belligerence, resisting")   (wmur.com) divider line 254
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2014-01-09 07:50:33 AM  
Whoah
They slam his head into a wall, pick him up, throw him down, then pepper spray him?
Yeah.
I can see they will be getting a harsh punishment of paid leave and no jelly donuts.
 
2014-01-09 07:56:48 AM  

vudukungfu: Whoah
They slam his head into a wall, pick him up, throw him down, then pepper spray him?
Yeah.
I can see they will be getting a harsh punishment of paid leave and no jelly donuts.



You can tell how worried they are about that by the way they grin directly into the camera.
 
2014-01-09 08:07:28 AM  
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www.baltimorenewsjournal.com
 
2014-01-09 08:10:01 AM  
And this is why I don't trust the cops anymore....i'm sure there are good ones out there who do the job and aren't violent sociopaths but....yeah.  still ain't trusting the cops.
 
2014-01-09 08:13:00 AM  

Weaver95: And this is why I don't trust the cops anymore....i'm sure there are good ones out there who do the job and aren't violent sociopaths but....yeah.  still ain't trusting the cops.


hgh.bz

Welcome to an armed gang of rage junkies.
 
2014-01-09 08:23:19 AM  
I love how they always get put on PAID leave when this shiat happen. Not a one of them will spend a day in jail either.

/fark tha police
 
2014-01-09 08:25:55 AM  
That's going to cost the department some money.
 
2014-01-09 08:33:10 AM  

sammyk: I love how they always get put on PAID leave when this shiat happen. Not a one of them will spend a day in jail either.

/fark tha police


It's a catch-22, though. If they aren't put on paid administrative leave while under investigation, then every BS abuse report that gets filed - and yes, there are many false abuse claims made against cops - would drive good cops out of the profession. I feel bad cops should be held to account for their abuses, absolutely, but taking away paid administrative leave during these investigations won't solve the problem. Putting the bad cops in jail when they break the law would, though.
 
2014-01-09 08:46:16 AM  

MmmmBacon: every BS abuse report that gets filed - and yes, there are many false abuse claims made against cops - would drive good cops out of the profession.


Both of them?
 
2014-01-09 08:46:54 AM  

MmmmBacon: sammyk: I love how they always get put on PAID leave when this shiat happen. Not a one of them will spend a day in jail either.

/fark tha police

It's a catch-22, though. If they aren't put on paid administrative leave while under investigation, then every BS abuse report that gets filed - and yes, there are many false abuse claims made against cops - would drive good cops out of the profession. I feel bad cops should be held to account for their abuses, absolutely, but taking away paid administrative leave during these investigations won't solve the problem. Putting the bad cops in jail when they break the law would, though.



Could have a preliminary internal review of the complaint to decide their leave status. If a civilian were accused of a similar offense, he'd get a hearing to determine whether he'd be sitting in jail pending trial.
 
2014-01-09 09:06:11 AM  
New Hampshire? Live free or die trying
 
2014-01-09 09:06:29 AM  
It's amazing the video didn't "mysteriously" disappear.
 
2014-01-09 09:07:39 AM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: MmmmBacon: sammyk: I love how they always get put on PAID leave when this shiat happen. Not a one of them will spend a day in jail either.

/fark tha police

It's a catch-22, though. If they aren't put on paid administrative leave while under investigation, then every BS abuse report that gets filed - and yes, there are many false abuse claims made against cops - would drive good cops out of the profession. I feel bad cops should be held to account for their abuses, absolutely, but taking away paid administrative leave during these investigations won't solve the problem. Putting the bad cops in jail when they break the law would, though.


Could have a preliminary internal review of the complaint to decide their leave status. If a civilian were accused of a similar offense, he'd get a hearing to determine whether he'd be sitting in jail pending trial.


Cops are civilians, just saying. They aren't some special pseudo military protected class. Any farking useless pig farker that tells you different can die in a fire, along with all the crooked asshole pro militarization cops.
 
2014-01-09 09:07:43 AM  
F the pigs.
 
2014-01-09 09:09:30 AM  
I suspect that an extensive administrative review will now occur internally within the police department, to determine why the video was not "lost" and to work to make sure that such oversight does not occur in the future.
 
2014-01-09 09:10:18 AM  
I've yet in my life to be in a situation where I felt better that a cop showed up, and I've seen some things
 
2014-01-09 09:10:20 AM  

MmmmBacon: sammyk: I love how they always get put on PAID leave when this shiat happen. Not a one of them will spend a day in jail either.

/fark tha police

It's a catch-22, though. If they aren't put on paid administrative leave while under investigation, then every BS abuse report that gets filed - and yes, there are many false abuse claims made against cops - would drive good cops out of the profession. I feel bad cops should be held to account for their abuses, absolutely, but taking away paid administrative leave during these investigations won't solve the problem. Putting the bad cops in jail when they break the law would, though.


I understand your point however no one outside the police community would be treated that well. They would probably sit in jail while prosecutors can trump up the charges to make sure that what ever plea is reached it greater punishment than if the offender simply went to trial.
 
2014-01-09 09:11:34 AM  

vudukungfu: They slam his head into a wall, pick him up, throw him down, then pepper spray him?
Yeah.


Then stand there smiling, all proud of themselves, while laughing at him.
Scumbags.
 
2014-01-09 09:11:58 AM  
kushsmoke.com
 
2014-01-09 09:13:50 AM  

MmmmBacon: would drive good cops out of the profession


I think the preponderance of bad cops already does a very good job of keeping possible rats out of their midst.
 
2014-01-09 09:14:32 AM  
This happened to a white boy in the pretty liberal state of New Hampshire, imagine what it's like for black kids somewhere like Bloomberg's New York.
 
2014-01-09 09:15:45 AM  
www.upl.co

They're heroes!


Cameras everywhere have dis-proven dozens of myths, from Alien encounters, to bigfood, to "people lie about police brutality"
 
2014-01-09 09:16:37 AM  
FTFA: Following a special meeting of town officials Wednesday, Chief Lee Bitomske said that Bergeron had requested and received the videos after his 2009 arrest. "Why they're surfacing now, I cannot answer that," Bitomske said.
...
There is no clear indication in court paperwork of how the DWI charge was resolved.

So...what's the statute of limitations on a DWI in New Hampshire?
 
2014-01-09 09:17:17 AM  
We don't call them "pigs" for nothing, you know.
 
2014-01-09 09:17:49 AM  
neongoats

Cops are civilians, just saying. They aren't some special pseudo military protected class. Any farking useless pig farker that tells you different...
They absolutely are a protected class. They have dozens of protections from prosecution that Joe-6-pack would never have.
 
2014-01-09 09:18:58 AM  

ModernPrimitive01: I've yet in my life to be in a situation where I felt better that a cop showed up, and I've seen some things


I totaled my car the othe day. It came to rest in the middle of the highway, at night, on icy roads, and the lights/electrical system were destroyed by the wreck. I would have felt better had a cop showed up right about then as I was waving oncoming traffic down with only the light of my phone.

And wouldn't you know it? Nobody showed up, even after calling 911.

/thankfully a wrecker just happened to come along about 15 minutes later
 
2014-01-09 09:19:23 AM  

ReverendJasen: vudukungfu: They slam his head into a wall, pick him up, throw him down, then pepper spray him?
Yeah.

Then stand there smiling, all proud of themselves, while laughing at him.
Scumbags.


And if you were to ask them about it, I'll bet they felt they did nothing wrong.
 
2014-01-09 09:20:33 AM  
Bergeron's attorney said video of the incident and police reports "don't square up."

stickerish.com
 
2014-01-09 09:20:53 AM  

bunner: MmmmBacon: every BS abuse report that gets filed - and yes, there are many false abuse claims made against cops - would drive good cops out of the profession.

Both of them?


Ha!

Lord-Fark-Wad: They would probably sit in jail while prosecutors can trump up the charges to make sure that what ever plea is reached it greater punishment than if the offender simply went to trial.


Resisting arrest. Always a favorite if no other crimes were committed.
 
2014-01-09 09:21:09 AM  
Also note that the liberal press refuses to post photos of these thugs, their addresses and other personal info. as they would with commoners accused of crimes.
 
2014-01-09 09:21:31 AM  

phyrkrakr: FTFA: Following a special meeting of town officials Wednesday, Chief Lee Bitomske said that Bergeron had requested and received the videos after his 2009 arrest. "Why they're surfacing now, I cannot answer that," Bitomske said.
...
There is no clear indication in court paperwork of how the DWI charge was resolved.

So...what's the statute of limitations on a DWI in New Hampshire?


paulpalubicki.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-01-09 09:21:37 AM  

cannibalparrot: ModernPrimitive01: I've yet in my life to be in a situation where I felt better that a cop showed up, and I've seen some things

I totaled my car the othe day. It came to rest in the middle of the highway, at night, on icy roads, and the lights/electrical system were destroyed by the wreck. I would have felt better had a cop showed up right about then as I was waving oncoming traffic down with only the light of my phone.

And wouldn't you know it? Nobody showed up, even after calling 911.

/thankfully a wrecker just happened to come along about 15 minutes later


Thanks for admitting that.  They'll be sending you a bill for the damage you caused to the highway, and a summons to appear in court for leaving the scene of the accident.
 
2014-01-09 09:22:20 AM  

MmmmBacon: sammyk: I love how they always get put on PAID leave when this shiat happen. Not a one of them will spend a day in jail either.

/fark tha police

It's a catch-22, though. If they aren't put on paid administrative leave while under investigation, then every BS abuse report that gets filed - and yes, there are many false abuse claims made against cops - would drive good cops out of the profession. I feel bad cops should be held to account for their abuses, absolutely, but taking away paid administrative leave during these investigations won't solve the problem. Putting the bad cops in jail when they break the law would, though.


How about making the paid leave refundable to the taxpayers if and when the cop is found guilty of a serious offense? And how about securing that with a lien on their home and/or automobile to make sure that it's paid back when due?
 
2014-01-09 09:22:37 AM  

cannibalparrot: ModernPrimitive01: I've yet in my life to be in a situation where I felt better that a cop showed up, and I've seen some things

I totaled my car the othe day. It came to rest in the middle of the highway, at night, on icy roads, and the lights/electrical system were destroyed by the wreck. I would have felt better had a cop showed up right about then as I was waving oncoming traffic down with only the light of my phone.

And wouldn't you know it? Nobody showed up, even after calling 911.

/thankfully a wrecker just happened to come along about 15 minutes later



You are lucky no one showed up. If the cops had you would have got a citation for the wreck. At least in PA you would have.
 
2014-01-09 09:22:40 AM  
 

ModernPrimitive01: I've yet in my life to be in a situation where I felt better that a cop showed up, and I've seen some things


I'll counter.  I found a dead man on the side of the road last year.  I hit 911, and within 20 min there were two cops, an ambulance and two off duty paramedics on site.
 
2014-01-09 09:23:08 AM  

Weaver95: ReverendJasen: vudukungfu: They slam his head into a wall, pick him up, throw him down, then pepper spray him?
Yeah.

Then stand there smiling, all proud of themselves, while laughing at him.
Scumbags.

And if you were to ask them about it, I'll bet they felt they did nothing wrong.


Well, if you don't want tramatic brain injury and pepper releated asphyxiation, maybe you shouldn't get arrested.
 
2014-01-09 09:23:46 AM  
He probably needed a little asss kicking. Punk.
 
2014-01-09 09:24:25 AM  

MmmmBacon: It's a catch-22, though. If they aren't put on paid administrative leave while under investigation, then every BS abuse report that gets filed - and yes, there are many false abuse claims made against cops - would drive good cops out of the profession.

***What "good cops?" To some degree they are all bullies, thugs or morons. Even if they aren't beating the crap out of people or murdering unarmed civilians they protect the cops that do. These supposed "good cops" will twist themselves into pretzels to defend, justify and protect the bad ones. Here in Los Angeles, the police chief makes sure to protect the bad ones. And if you are protecting and defending and justifying bad behavior that isn't being a good person.

 
2014-01-09 09:24:37 AM  

OnlyM3: neongoats

Cops are civilians, just saying. They aren't some special pseudo military protected class. Any farking useless pig farker that tells you different... They absolutely are a protected class. They have dozens of protections from prosecution that Joe-6-pack would never have.


Yeah you can bet your ass that if either of us slammed a cop into a wall that way we'd get a beating and charged with a felony. No paid leave shiat for those of us not in the gang.

img.fark.net
 
2014-01-09 09:25:11 AM  
Note to the government:

If militarize the domestic police forces, don't be surprised when they treat citizens as the enemy.
 
2014-01-09 09:25:40 AM  
He deserved a good beating for wearing his pants like that. The pepper spray might have been a bit much.
 
2014-01-09 09:26:06 AM  

Weaver95: And if you were to ask them about it, I'll bet they felt they did nothing wrong.


Of course not!  That kid was the real scumbag, and he deserved every second of his abuse.  All us "civilians" are just criminals anyway, they just need to figure out what our crime is.
 
2014-01-09 09:26:07 AM  
The police chief's response to the video:

"Obviously it's a major setback for us."

Jesus Christ.  Way to perfectly summarize what's wrong with police culture in this country.
 
2014-01-09 09:26:10 AM  

Deep Contact: He probably needed a little asss kicking. Punk.


"ass kicking" implies he has the ability to fight back, that was more like torture.
 
2014-01-09 09:26:26 AM  
I suspect that an extensive administrative review will now occur internally within the police department, to determine why the video was not "lost" and to work to make sure that such oversight does not occur in the future.

This.

/sadly
// My great-great Grandfather fled across the Atlantic to escape the Kaiser's armies in the 1890s. He didn't think his country owed him anything. I don't think I owe my country anything and I'll flee back across the Atlantic to Germany if it comes to that.
 
2014-01-09 09:27:00 AM  

vudukungfu: Whoah
They slam his head into a wall, pick him up, throw him down, then pepper spray him?
Yeah.
I can see they will be getting a harsh punishment of paid leave and no jelly donuts.


Look, we all think they need to be punished. But *no* jelly donuts? The 8th amendment applies to police officers at well as regular citizens. Don't you think that's a bit harsh? I could see that if they tased, pepper sprayed and then killed an 18 year old kid because they were too busy to deal with him properly. And that's even iffy on the no donuts. Wouldn't a 2/3rds ration of jelly donuts be a more fair punishment?
 
2014-01-09 09:27:04 AM  
How long do you think it will be?
 
2014-01-09 09:28:29 AM  
In other news: PUT ON A farkING BELT!

Which cop in charge of losing the video evidence is going to be fired?
 
2014-01-09 09:28:48 AM  
News 9 attempted to reach the three officers at home Wednesday. Laurent was the only one to answer the door, and he had no comment.


Yeahhhh.

In their homes.  Good stuff.  Cower in fear, scumbags.  Should have shot video of that.
 
2014-01-09 09:29:46 AM  
That police chief looks like an @sshole too.
 
2014-01-09 09:29:47 AM  

duffblue: This happened to a white boy in the pretty liberal state of New Hampshire, imagine what it's like for black kids somewhere like Bloomberg's New York.


bluwiki.com

/oh, and pull your damn pants up, Bergeron
 
2014-01-09 09:29:55 AM  

Weaver95: And this is why I don't trust the cops anymore


You lack proper historical education.

Cops have ALWAYS been like this. In fact, they were much nicer to this guy than they would have been in the 30s when they'd just gun his ass down in his car and call it a victory.
 
2014-01-09 09:30:16 AM  

Nabb1: That's going to cost the department some money.


Don't think the Department will be footing any of the lawsuit settlement, the taxpayers of Seabrook may experience a rise in their property tax assessments though.
 
2014-01-09 09:30:45 AM  
I know this is supposed to be a cop hate thread and all, and maybe I'm alone in this and cynical, but based on the comments I read I was underwhelmed by the video. There's plenty of serious police brutality out there; I'm just not sure this rises to the level I'm going to go apeshiat about.
 
2014-01-09 09:31:04 AM  

OnlyM3: Also note that the liberal press refuses to post photos of these thugs, their addresses and other personal info. as they would with commoners accused of crimes.


There's the stupid derp I was waiting for. Thanks for not letting us down.
 
2014-01-09 09:31:06 AM  
MmmmBacon:
It's a catch-22, though. If they aren't put on paid administrative leave while under investigation, then every BS abuse report that gets filed - and yes, there are many false abuse claims made against cops - would drive good cops out of the profession. I feel bad cops should be held to account for their abuses, absolutely, but taking away paid administrative leave during these investigations won't solve the problem. Putting the bad cops in jail when they break the law would, though.

There should be mandatory badge cameras on all cops and any video footage that is "lost" during an arrest results in the nullification of all charges.

This will protect the good cops from false accusations and prevent the bad cops from getting away with their abuse. In this day and age there is absolutely no reason this technology can not be made available and affordable. If I was a cop I'd carry my own camera just to cover my own ass. But then again, I'm not a raging psychopath either.
 
2014-01-09 09:31:09 AM  

orclover: In other news: PUT ON A farkING BELT!


Thankfully I don't know this firsthand but pretty sure they take your belt when you are put into custody
 
2014-01-09 09:31:21 AM  

internut scholar: You are lucky no one showed up. If the cops had you would have got a citation for the wreck. At least in PA you would have.


Yeah, if I'm in an accident and no other vehicles or people are involved, I don't call the cops.  I call AAA to come tow me.
 
2014-01-09 09:32:05 AM  

Deep Contact: He probably needed a little asss kicking. Punk.


And had some other punk roughly his tiny size kicked his ass, no one would be griping about it.
 
2014-01-09 09:33:51 AM  

vudukungfu: Whoah
They slam his head into a wall, pick him up, throw him down, then pepper spray him?
Yeah.
I can see they will be getting a harsh punishment of paid leave and no jelly donuts.


A good explanation of the logic/legal reasoning behind paid leave http://www.reddit.com/r/ProtectAndServe/comments/1s01lr/most_common_m y th/cdslvma
Paid leave isn't the punishment, its taking them off the street while the investigation is happening. Also there is an issue of special Miranda issues dealing with police.
Read the link its eye opening.
 
2014-01-09 09:33:59 AM  

Headso: orclover: In other news: PUT ON A farkING BELT!

Thankfully I don't know this firsthand but pretty sure they take your belt when you are put into custody


Belts and shoelaces, at least in NY. I've been told it's so people don't do things like hang themselves with it.
 
2014-01-09 09:34:09 AM  

Weaver95: And this is why I don't trust the cops anymore....i'm sure there are good ones out there who do the job and aren't violent sociopaths but....yeah.  still ain't trusting the cops.


There are; I know lots. But the bad ones are the visible ones, and so, there goes the reputation. Interesting that this seems to go at the same p[ace as worse and worse officers in the US military, too. http://www.npr.org/2014/01/06/259422776/army-takes-on-its-own-toxic-l e aders (trust NPR to call a Gunny Sargent in a movie an 'officer', but apart from that a good report).

What's happening, here?
 
2014-01-09 09:35:04 AM  

Ghastly: This will protect the good cops from false accusations and prevent the bad cops from getting away with their abuse. In this day and age there is absolutely no reason this technology can not be made available and affordable.


The technology is available.  Police unions won't let it happen.  Hell, they fought tooth and nail just to keep GPS tracking out of the cars in at least one district.
 
2014-01-09 09:35:38 AM  

Dharma Bumstead: MmmmBacon: It's a catch-22, though. If they aren't put on paid administrative leave while under investigation, then every BS abuse report that gets filed - and yes, there are many false abuse claims made against cops - would drive good cops out of the profession.

***What "good cops?" To some degree they are all bullies, thugs or morons. Even if they aren't beating the crap out of people or murdering unarmed civilians they protect the cops that do. These supposed "good cops" will twist themselves into pretzels to defend, justify and protect the bad ones. Here in Los Angeles, the police chief makes sure to protect the bad ones. And if you are protecting and defending and justifying bad behavior that isn't being a good person.


Eh, no. I can vouch for the existence of one good cop. A friend of mine from college. He got reprimanded by the Peoria, IL police force for refusing to rough up a black suspect as a rookie. So he quit there and went to a small town where he was the interim police chief for a while. He's a good, solid guy.
 
2014-01-09 09:35:39 AM  

notatrollorami: I know this is supposed to be a cop hate thread and all, and maybe I'm alone in this and cynical, but based on the comments I read I was underwhelmed by the video. There's plenty of serious police brutality out there; I'm just not sure this rises to the level I'm going to go apeshiat about.


Not sure apeshiat is the response that they are seeking. Notice how the FBI is involved. Sounds like civil rights violations are on the table.
 
2014-01-09 09:35:46 AM  
I don't know what video you guys were watching, I clearly saw the kid trip and the officers attempt to help him up.
 
2014-01-09 09:36:53 AM  

Headso: orclover: In other news: PUT ON A farkING BELT!

Thankfully I don't know this firsthand but pretty sure they take your belt when you are put into custody


Even for littering.
 
2014-01-09 09:37:54 AM  

sammyk: I love how they always get put on PAID leave when this shiat happen. Not a one of them will spend a day in jail either.

/fark tha police


Union rules.
 
2014-01-09 09:38:00 AM  

notatrollorami: I know this is supposed to be a cop hate thread and all, and maybe I'm alone in this and cynical, but based on the comments I read I was underwhelmed by the video. There's plenty of serious police brutality out there; I'm just not sure this rises to the level I'm going to go apeshiat about.


You're just more submissive and prone to authority than others in the thread, the world has all kinds.
 
2014-01-09 09:40:17 AM  

OnlyM3: neongoats

Cops are civilians, just saying. They aren't some special pseudo military protected class. Any farking useless pig farker that tells you different... They absolutely are a protected class. They have dozens of protections from prosecution that Joe-6-pack would never have.


They also have other special laws and protections that pertain to them.  You can beat up your neighbor for blaring loud music at 2 AM (for example) and get maybe a few months in jail...probably just probation and a fine or something.   You beat up a COP for doing the same thing and you're royally screwed.

Lord-Fark-Wad: They would probably sit in jail while prosecutors can trump up the charges to make sure that what ever plea is reached it greater punishment than if the offender simply went to trial.


Up here, if you don't accept a plea deal and try to take it to trial, they put the screws to you and try to find other charges to hit you with.

A justice system we do not have.  It's barely even a legal system.  It's a freakin' business model.  I wonder if Maine has any for-profit prisons in it...

/I believe the prisoners in Warren make furniture for sale...
 
2014-01-09 09:41:13 AM  

notatrollorami: I know this is supposed to be a cop hate thread and all, and maybe I'm alone in this and cynical, but based on the comments I read I was underwhelmed by the video. There's plenty of serious police brutality out there; I'm just not sure this rises to the level I'm going to go apeshiat about.


I'm all for defending cops, I do it in the majority of cop hating threads on Fark.com.  But here we have conclusive proof these guys not only stepped over the line but they lied about it on their reports.  So they lost the benefit of the doubt.  Now the question is, what else did those cops do to other people in custody that didn't get caught on video?

You shouldn't be apeshiat about the level of brutality, you should be apeshiat these cops are seemingly doing whatever they want and then falsifying their reports.
 
2014-01-09 09:42:39 AM  
Sighs....as a retired police officer who has taken many people to jail, i can say from seeing the video that this was completely unnecessary. Kid weighed about 130 soaking wet, and from what i saw, he was, at the most, just "maybe" talking shiat. There was no need, none, with 3 huge officers that clearly could have controlled him, to slam him into the wall like that. Prisoners talk shiat, that doesn't give you the right to injure them. There was no need at all to slam him like that, the officer who hurt him should be fired, and jailed for battery, and have to pay the kid damages out of pocket. The officer who maced him should be fired, as it was 1. not needed, and 2. he thought it was funny. This kind of horrible police work shames all good officers everywhere who try to do a good job and treat people with respect. Kid should get a nice fat pay off for this one. And officer brutal should go to prison. Shame on you officers, shame on you, for your lack of control, and brutal treatment of a human being.
 
2014-01-09 09:43:29 AM  

Chummer45: Jesus Christ.  Way to perfectly summarize what's wrong with police culture in this country.


That and the fact that there's any sort of "culture" to it at all.  Thugs, cops, hipsters, politicians, attorneys... everybody's got their own little dime store closeout excuse for a subculture, but I can't see a single American - as far as what's on that label - amongst the lot of them.  Everybody's got their own little tree house  and everybody else is cutting down trees.  I don't see anybody doing any planting or watering.  Everybody's trying to "get away with sh*t cause they're special".  No, you're not.  Stop that.  You're toxic, useless and full of more sh*t than a congressional subcommittee.
 
2014-01-09 09:43:42 AM  
Wow... While slamming  him into the wall is bad, THIS part is bullshiat, too:

In the report, Dietenhofer said that Richardson "gained control of Bergeron," saying the teen was later pepper sprayed because he refused to stand up.

Really? "Because he didn't stand up?" Fark you assholes. And for the people here who are police, and who know police, it's people like this who drag that image through the mud. And it's not like this is an isolated incident, who the fark is supporting these pricks? The unions need to do some DEEP soul searching, and start setting up a code of conduct defining who they will and who they won't fight to protect.
 
2014-01-09 09:44:20 AM  

notatrollorami: I know this is supposed to be a cop hate thread and all, and maybe I'm alone in this and cynical, but based on the comments I read I was underwhelmed by the video. There's plenty of serious police brutality out there; I'm just not sure this rises to the level I'm going to go apeshiat about.


It happens so often you're becoming desensitized to it,  that's not good.

/Too many of these abuse stories
/They will all one day have to wear camera badges and it'll protect them and us,  from them.
 
2014-01-09 09:44:54 AM  

bunner: MmmmBacon: every BS abuse report that gets filed - and yes, there are many false abuse claims made against cops - would drive good cops out of the profession.

Both of them?


Riggs and Murtaugh.
 
2014-01-09 09:45:04 AM  

Weaver95: And this is why I don't trust the cops anymore....i'm sure there are good ones out there who do the job and aren't violent sociopaths but....yeah.  still ain't trusting the cops.


You have to remember it's the squeaky wheel AND confirmation bias issue here.

You expect x, and the only reports that get remembered are the egregious ones which further confirms your bias, repeat.

No one remembers the 4 billion guys doing their job well day to day. Just the 5 guys who commit police brutality.

Doesn't excuse this or the coverup behavior.
 
2014-01-09 09:46:31 AM  

cgraves67: Dharma Bumstead: MmmmBacon: It's a catch-22, though. If they aren't put on paid administrative leave while under investigation, then every BS abuse report that gets filed - and yes, there are many false abuse claims made against cops - would drive good cops out of the profession.

***What "good cops?" To some degree they are all bullies, thugs or morons. Even if they aren't beating the crap out of people or murdering unarmed civilians they protect the cops that do. These supposed "good cops" will twist themselves into pretzels to defend, justify and protect the bad ones. Here in Los Angeles, the police chief makes sure to protect the bad ones. And if you are protecting and defending and justifying bad behavior that isn't being a good person.

Eh, no. I can vouch for the existence of one good cop. A friend of mine from college. He got reprimanded by the Peoria, IL police force for refusing to rough up a black suspect as a rookie. So he quit there and went to a small town where he was the interim police chief for a while. He's a good, solid guy.


/really? Im from that area, might have worked for him.
 
2014-01-09 09:47:01 AM  
Too bad there was no sound, I was hoping to hear the police fight song "Stop Resisting."
 
2014-01-09 09:47:18 AM  
My annoying one with police happened in Minneapolis. My brother's laptop was stolen, but I had set his laptop so I could remote into it so I could fix it when he broke it. The thief put it on the network and even used my brother's facebook account to taunt him. While he was doing that, I was installing a tracking program on the laptop so it would e-mail me everytime it went online. I then provided the cops with the ISP, MAC and IP of the router and video evidence of the laptop still being used. http://youtu.be/RabAgU35n50?t=47s">http://youtu.be/RabAgU35n50?t=47s  I went online over and over and over to find the laptop online and being used. So I logged onto it and tried to find the name of the person using it. They were using Facebook. I found several usernames this way. The laptop profile was renamed Preston and one of the facebook logins was Preston Taylor. I looked him up and got a picture. Again, I shared all this with the police. Nothing happened. I started calling the police department daily and he stopped answering my calls and responding to my e-mails. I got one e-mail saying he had better things to do than track down a laptop. Finally, I got a friend from the city council involved. She called in some friends at the police department (This was shortly before the election) and I finally started to get calls back. They finally issued a subpoena and got an address. Then they sat on it again until I raised a ruckus on Facebook explaining what I had done so far. Finally, they went out and got the laptop. Now it's three months since it was stolen and I know the cops have the laptop. Of course, now I get an e-mail saying that they aren't going to prosecute because it's not a felony.

Yeah, the cops are just awesome...
 
2014-01-09 09:47:39 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: We don't call them "pigs" for nothing, you know.


Pigs are friendly creatures much like dogs.
 
2014-01-09 09:48:51 AM  
I'm going to enjoy the next few years of the Age of Drones.

No one is going to be able to get away with jack.
 
2014-01-09 09:49:18 AM  

internut scholar: cannibalparrot: ModernPrimitive01: I've yet in my life to be in a situation where I felt better that a cop showed up, and I've seen some things

I totaled my car the othe day. It came to rest in the middle of the highway, at night, on icy roads, and the lights/electrical system were destroyed by the wreck. I would have felt better had a cop showed up right about then as I was waving oncoming traffic down with only the light of my phone.

And wouldn't you know it? Nobody showed up, even after calling 911.

/thankfully a wrecker just happened to come along about 15 minutes later


You are lucky no one showed up. If the cops had you would have got a citation for the wreck. At least in PA you would have.


Eh, it was just me. Hit a patch of black ice and tore up my car on the left barrier (which was absurdly close to the highway, otherwise I could have corrected the slide).

And they were running the snow plows without salt, so they were pushing the only bit of traction off the road, and leaving the bare ice behind. Had they ticketed me, I'd have been more than happy to send them a lawsuit for taking actions that contributed to the wreck...probably wouldn't have gone anywhere, but I'd have felt better that it would likely cost them more than what I paid on the ticket.

Because fark Tennessee, that's why.
 
2014-01-09 09:49:39 AM  

Mugato: bunner: MmmmBacon: every BS abuse report that gets filed - and yes, there are many false abuse claims made against cops - would drive good cops out of the profession.

Both of them?

Riggs and Murtaugh.


God I'm gettin too old for this shiat.
 
2014-01-09 09:50:11 AM  

OnlyM3: neongoats

Cops are civilians, just saying. They aren't some special pseudo military protected class. Any farking useless pig farker that tells you different... They absolutely are a protected class. They have dozens of protections from prosecution that Joe-6-pack would never have.


Why do you hate the unions and working class civil servants who risk their lives every day to protect you!
 
2014-01-09 09:52:14 AM  
Remeber folks, if you record a cop breaking the law in most states, you are the criminal for wire taping and putting the officers life in danger.
 
2014-01-09 09:52:41 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Sighs....as a retired police officer who has taken many people to jail, i can say from seeing the video that this was completely unnecessary. Kid weighed about 130 soaking wet, and from what i saw, he was, at the most, just "maybe" talking shiat. There was no need, none, with 3 huge officers that clearly could have controlled him, to slam him into the wall like that. Prisoners talk shiat, that doesn't give you the right to injure them. There was no need at all to slam him like that, the officer who hurt him should be fired, and jailed for battery, and have to pay the kid damages out of pocket. The officer who maced him should be fired, as it was 1. not needed, and 2. he thought it was funny. This kind of horrible police work shames all good officers everywhere who try to do a good job and treat people with respect. Kid should get a nice fat pay off for this one. And officer brutal should go to prison. Shame on you officers, shame on you, for your lack of control, and brutal treatment of a human being


I agree with everything here except the jail time.  It should be far longer, since they abused their positions of authority AND they lied about it.

The fact that there's more than one means there was either a conspiracy to cover it up OR all involved actually approved of this conduct.

10 years and banned from any job of authority or one necessitating carrying any weapons.
 
2014-01-09 09:54:04 AM  
kroonermanblack:
No one remembers the 4 billion guys doing their job well day to day. Just the 5 guys who commit police brutality.

***But the "4 billion" turn a blind eye to the five committing police brutality.
The "4 billion" protect the five committing police brutality.
The "4 billion" defend the five committing police brutality.
The "4 billion" justify the police brutality.
That does not make them good people. That makes them bad people. Very bad people.
 
2014-01-09 09:54:19 AM  

Mikey1969: Wow... While slamming  him into the wall is bad, THIS part is bullshiat, too:

In the report, Dietenhofer said that Richardson "gained control of Bergeron," saying the teen was later pepper sprayed because he refused to stand up.

Really? "Because he didn't stand up?" Fark you assholes. And for the people here who are police, and who know police, it's people like this who drag that image through the mud. And it's not like this is an isolated incident, who the fark is supporting these pricks? The unions need to do some DEEP soul searching, and start setting up a code of conduct defining who they will and who they won't fight to protect.


/funny you mention that. I always told officers i worked with, or from nearby police departments, that if i was with them on a call, and they farked up a suspect with no valid cause, there is no way, none, that i would lie for them. I would tell anyone who asked that you farked him up for no reason, other than that you were pissed. I never beat a suspect who didn't fight, even if he was a scumbag who needed a good ass kicking.  And if i saw an officer do that to someone without cause, yes, i would report them. In writing. I wanted no part of slapping a suspect around with no legal justification.  THAT..is not our job. No, i wasn't popular, and thats fine. At the end of the day, i could look in the mirror and know i treated people with respect, even if they didn't do the same to me.
 
2014-01-09 09:55:25 AM  

ReverendJasen: Ghastly: This will protect the good cops from false accusations and prevent the bad cops from getting away with their abuse. In this day and age there is absolutely no reason this technology can not be made available and affordable.

The technology is available.  Police unions won't let it happen.  Hell, they fought tooth and nail just to keep GPS tracking out of the cars in at least one district.


Make it a federal law and they'll have no choice but to let it happen.
 
2014-01-09 09:55:32 AM  

neongoats: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: MmmmBacon: sammyk: I love how they always get put on PAID leave when this shiat happen. Not a one of them will spend a day in jail either.

/fark tha police

It's a catch-22, though. If they aren't put on paid administrative leave while under investigation, then every BS abuse report that gets filed - and yes, there are many false abuse claims made against cops - would drive good cops out of the profession. I feel bad cops should be held to account for their abuses, absolutely, but taking away paid administrative leave during these investigations won't solve the problem. Putting the bad cops in jail when they break the law would, though.


Could have a preliminary internal review of the complaint to decide their leave status. If a civilian were accused of a similar offense, he'd get a hearing to determine whether he'd be sitting in jail pending trial.

Cops are civilians, just saying. They aren't some special pseudo military protected class. Any farking useless pig farker that tells you different can die in a fire, along with all the crooked asshole pro militarization cops.

</b>They aren't some special pseudo military protected class.

 </b>

Net yet.
 
2014-01-09 09:55:32 AM  

Heliovdrake: Remeber folks, if you record a cop breaking the law in most states, you are the criminal for wire taping and putting the officers life in danger.


Yeah, I guess being a street corner thug in front millions of people might be a good way to get your ass handed to you.  Unless, of course, you're actually a non-commissioned criminal.  Cops and criminals are the biggest mutual ass kissing society in America.  You?  F*ck you.  You don't count.
 
2014-01-09 09:55:40 AM  
Come on people.  The police "violence" was no worse than what goes on at most fraternity hazings.  Looked like a group of older people introducing a younger person into the real world.
 
2014-01-09 09:57:33 AM  

neongoats: They aren't some special pseudo military protected class.


errr...huh?  They're very much a protected class.
 
2014-01-09 09:58:49 AM  

OnlyM3: Also note that the liberal press refuses to post photos of these thugs, their addresses and other personal info. as they would with commoners accused of crimes.


Well that depends. Do they have icky scary guns in their homes? In which case the media usually has no problem telling you where they live
 
2014-01-09 10:00:14 AM  

jakomo002: Bit'O'Gristle: Sighs....as a retired police officer who has taken many people to jail, i can say from seeing the video that this was completely unnecessary. Kid weighed about 130 soaking wet, and from what i saw, he was, at the most, just "maybe" talking shiat. There was no need, none, with 3 huge officers that clearly could have controlled him, to slam him into the wall like that. Prisoners talk shiat, that doesn't give you the right to injure them. There was no need at all to slam him like that, the officer who hurt him should be fired, and jailed for battery, and have to pay the kid damages out of pocket. The officer who maced him should be fired, as it was 1. not needed, and 2. he thought it was funny. This kind of horrible police work shames all good officers everywhere who try to do a good job and treat people with respect. Kid should get a nice fat pay off for this one. And officer brutal should go to prison. Shame on you officers, shame on you, for your lack of control, and brutal treatment of a human being

I agree with everything here except the jail time.  It should be far longer, since they abused their positions of authority AND they lied about it.

The fact that there's more than one means there was either a conspiracy to cover it up OR all involved actually approved of this conduct.

10 years and banned from any job of authority or one necessitating carrying any weapons.


/It's not really a "conspiracy", but more a "cover your brothers ass".  And ..."circle the wagons" by the police dept. Not that they care, but at this point, they are looking at a PR nightmare, and are trying to do damage control.  So you will get the canned "PR" speech by the chief about 'we are looking carefully at the situation, blah blah blah" which translates into 'holy fark, my officers are farking morons and i hope i get to keep my job". And yes, he should be jailed because there is a certain trust that you are given as a police officer, and he abused it by his horrible treatment of a unresisting suspect.
 
2014-01-09 10:00:44 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: cgraves67: Dharma Bumstead: MmmmBacon: It's a catch-22, though. If they aren't put on paid administrative leave while under investigation, then every BS abuse report that gets filed - and yes, there are many false abuse claims made against cops - would drive good cops out of the profession.

***What "good cops?" To some degree they are all bullies, thugs or morons. Even if they aren't beating the crap out of people or murdering unarmed civilians they protect the cops that do. These supposed "good cops" will twist themselves into pretzels to defend, justify and protect the bad ones. Here in Los Angeles, the police chief makes sure to protect the bad ones. And if you are protecting and defending and justifying bad behavior that isn't being a good person.

Eh, no. I can vouch for the existence of one good cop. A friend of mine from college. He got reprimanded by the Peoria, IL police force for refusing to rough up a black suspect as a rookie. So he quit there and went to a small town where he was the interim police chief for a while. He's a good, solid guy.

/really? Im from that area, might have worked for him.


He was only on the force briefly in 2006 or 07. He moved to Washburn, I believe. He was only there briefly before their chief and pretty much the whole force got kicked out because of something bad that they were involved in, leaving him, the rookie, as acting police chief. It was almost like a Hollywood story.
 
2014-01-09 10:00:58 AM  
Let me, if I may, state this plainly

i.imgur.com

Period.

You either uphold the law or you don't.  Ask an honest judge.  This wild west v.2.0 sh*t has got a beard to it's balls and so do your excuses.
 
2014-01-09 10:01:43 AM  

lennavan: notatrollorami: I know this is supposed to be a cop hate thread and all, and maybe I'm alone in this and cynical, but based on the comments I read I was underwhelmed by the video. There's plenty of serious police brutality out there; I'm just not sure this rises to the level I'm going to go apeshiat about.

I'm all for defending cops, I do it in the majority of cop hating threads on Fark.com.  But here we have conclusive proof these guys not only stepped over the line but they lied about it on their reports.  So they lost the benefit of the doubt.  Now the question is, what else did those cops do to other people in custody that didn't get caught on video?

You shouldn't be apeshiat about the level of brutality, you should be apeshiat these cops are seemingly doing whatever they want and then falsifying their reports.


A valid point and well taken.
 
2014-01-09 10:02:04 AM  

Prey4reign: Come on people.  The police "violence" was no worse than what goes on at most fraternity hazings.  Looked like a group of older people introducing a younger person into the real world.


-63457638645746/10  Seriously.
 
2014-01-09 10:03:41 AM  

Fark It: OnlyM3: neongoats

Cops are civilians, just saying. They aren't some special pseudo military protected class. Any farking useless pig farker that tells you different... They absolutely are a protected class. They have dozens of protections from prosecution that Joe-6-pack would never have.

Why do you hate the unions and working class civil servants who

risk their lives every day to protect you!

According to the SCOTUS police DO NOT have a constitutional duty to protect you. So you might want to have a contingency plan. For some its exercising their 2nd Ammendment right for others its hiding. YMMV.
 
2014-01-09 10:03:51 AM  

cannibalparrot: internut scholar: cannibalparrot: ModernPrimitive01: I've yet in my life to be in a situation where I felt better that a cop showed up, and I've seen some things

I totaled my car the othe day. It came to rest in the middle of the highway, at night, on icy roads, and the lights/electrical system were destroyed by the wreck. I would have felt better had a cop showed up right about then as I was waving oncoming traffic down with only the light of my phone.

And wouldn't you know it? Nobody showed up, even after calling 911.

/thankfully a wrecker just happened to come along about 15 minutes later


You are lucky no one showed up. If the cops had you would have got a citation for the wreck. At least in PA you would have.

Eh, it was just me. Hit a patch of black ice and tore up my car on the left barrier (which was absurdly close to the highway, otherwise I could have corrected the slide).

And they were running the snow plows without salt, so they were pushing the only bit of traction off the road, and leaving the bare ice behind. Had they ticketed me, I'd have been more than happy to send them a lawsuit for taking actions that contributed to the wreck...probably wouldn't have gone anywhere, but I'd have felt better that it would likely cost them more than what I paid on the ticket.

Because fark Tennessee, that's why.



And what you just explained to me would have gotten you a citation for driving in unsafe conditions. I wish I wasn't kidding.

A friend of mine is a Trooper. He told me that unless you are dead, you are getting a citation in any wreck. And he has no choice, it's mandated to him. Not sure if other troops in PA follow the same procedures but that's his.
 
2014-01-09 10:03:59 AM  

jakomo002: Bit'O'Gristle: Sighs....as a retired police officer who has taken many people to jail, i can say from seeing the video that this was completely unnecessary. Kid weighed about 130 soaking wet, and from what i saw, he was, at the most, just "maybe" talking shiat. There was no need, none, with 3 huge officers that clearly could have controlled him, to slam him into the wall like that. Prisoners talk shiat, that doesn't give you the right to injure them. There was no need at all to slam him like that, the officer who hurt him should be fired, and jailed for battery, and have to pay the kid damages out of pocket. The officer who maced him should be fired, as it was 1. not needed, and 2. he thought it was funny. This kind of horrible police work shames all good officers everywhere who try to do a good job and treat people with respect. Kid should get a nice fat pay off for this one. And officer brutal should go to prison. Shame on you officers, shame on you, for your lack of control, and brutal treatment of a human being

I agree with everything here except the jail time.  It should be far longer, since they abused their positions of authority AND they lied about it.

The fact that there's more than one means there was either a conspiracy to cover it up OR all involved actually approved of this conduct.

10 years and banned from any job of authority or one necessitating carrying any weapons.


/if he was convicted of battery, that is a felony, and he wouldn't be able to carry a weapon again, ever. Thats a good thing in this thugs case. He has no business being a officer.
 
2014-01-09 10:05:14 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Sighs....as a retired police officer who has taken many people to jail, i can say from seeing the video that this was completely unnecessary. Kid weighed about 130 soaking wet, and from what i saw, he was, at the most, just "maybe" talking shiat. There was no need, none, with 3 huge officers that clearly could have controlled him, to slam him into the wall like that. Prisoners talk shiat, that doesn't give you the right to injure them. There was no need at all to slam him like that, the officer who hurt him should be fired, and jailed for battery, and have to pay the kid damages out of pocket. The officer who maced him should be fired, as it was 1. not needed, and 2. he thought it was funny. This kind of horrible police work shames all good officers everywhere who try to do a good job and treat people with respect. Kid should get a nice fat pay off for this one. And officer brutal should go to prison. Shame on you officers, shame on you, for your lack of control, and brutal treatment of a human being.


I'd go ahead and say he most definitely was talking shiat; and I'm sure you would agree that he was probably talking shiat from the second he was pulled over until he fell asleep that night; and I'd stop at just "maybe" he has a prior relationship with legal trouble.  I'm guessing that officer probably gave the kid what he thought was a little arm twist like he probably had done 100 times before, but didn't account for how tiny that kid is.  And I agree 100% that they don't have the right to assault anyone; he should lose his job.

I'd be curious to know for how many of these pop up, how many incidents are there of talking as much as this kid and tempting the officer(s) into assaulting them, but the officer(s) just ignore it and move on.  It has to be somewhere around 99%
 
2014-01-09 10:05:37 AM  

Prey4reign: Come on people.  The police "violence" was no worse than what goes on at most fraternity hazings.  Looked like a group of older people introducing a younger person into the real world.


How many fraternities do you know of who bring along "throwdown" weapons for when they shoot unarmed suspects?

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.law-enforcement/v962yVOb jw s
 
2014-01-09 10:06:00 AM  

jakomo002: I agree with everything here except the jail time. It should be far longer, since they abused their positions of authority AND they lied about it.


I could not possibly agree more.  We have to have a system of trust between the public and the police.  When stuff like this happens, you get that trust eroding away.  What kind of society would we have if the public as a whole didn't trust the police?  So I think any crime a cop commits the penalty should either be automatically doubled, or have something extra tacked on like is done with hate crimes.  I think anytime a cop lies about anything that happened on the job, they should be immediately fired and they should never work in a position of governmental authority like that again.
 
2014-01-09 10:06:03 AM  

MindStalker: vudukungfu: Whoah
They slam his head into a wall, pick him up, throw him down, then pepper spray him?
Yeah.
I can see they will be getting a harsh punishment of paid leave and no jelly donuts.

A good explanation of the logic/legal reasoning behind paid leave http://www.reddit.com/r/ProtectAndServe/comments/1s01lr/most_common_m y th/cdslvma
Paid leave isn't the punishment, its taking them off the street while the investigation is happening. Also there is an issue of special Miranda issues dealing with police.
Read the link its eye opening.


Really informative link.  Enjoy your TF.
 
2014-01-09 10:07:07 AM  
why does USA need cops when everybody has guns?

Seems kinda redundant.
 
2014-01-09 10:07:49 AM  

bunner: Let me, if I may, state this plainly

[i.imgur.com image 627x370]

Period.

You either uphold the law or you don't.  Ask an honest judge.  This wild west v.2.0 sh*t has got a beard to it's balls and so do your excuses.


/ I was told by my FTO, never...ever..lie on the stand to get a conviction. If you lie once, and get caught, no judge will ever believe you again. And all the judges get together and chat. Your name will be blacklisted, and you will never win a case. Good advise, because i saw it happen to a cop who lied. He finally quit after losing multiple cases.
 
2014-01-09 10:09:56 AM  

fireclown: ModernPrimitive01: I've yet in my life to be in a situation where I felt better that a cop showed up, and I've seen some things

I'll counter.  I found a dead man on the side of the road last year.  I hit 911, and within 20 min there were two cops, an ambulance and two off duty paramedics on site.


Is the dead man doing any better now?
 
2014-01-09 10:10:51 AM  
These particular cops were very threatened by this young man and feared for their safety. They put their lives on the line every day dealing with hardened, violent criminals like this. They have wives and children who depend on them. These men are True Americans. If you criticize them, you are scum and are committing treason.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-09 10:10:51 AM  

Nana's Vibrator: Bit'O'Gristle: Sighs....as a retired police officer who has taken many people to jail, i can say from seeing the video that this was completely unnecessary. Kid weighed about 130 soaking wet, and from what i saw, he was, at the most, just "maybe" talking shiat. There was no need, none, with 3 huge officers that clearly could have controlled him, to slam him into the wall like that. Prisoners talk shiat, that doesn't give you the right to injure them. There was no need at all to slam him like that, the officer who hurt him should be fired, and jailed for battery, and have to pay the kid damages out of pocket. The officer who maced him should be fired, as it was 1. not needed, and 2. he thought it was funny. This kind of horrible police work shames all good officers everywhere who try to do a good job and treat people with respect. Kid should get a nice fat pay off for this one. And officer brutal should go to prison. Shame on you officers, shame on you, for your lack of control, and brutal treatment of a human being.

I'd go ahead and say he most definitely was talking shiat; and I'm sure you would agree that he was probably talking shiat from the second he was pulled over until he fell asleep that night; and I'd stop at just "maybe" he has a prior relationship with legal trouble.  I'm guessing that officer probably gave the kid what he thought was a little arm twist like he probably had done 100 times before, but didn't account for how tiny that kid is.  And I agree 100% that they don't have the right to assault anyone; he should lose his job.

I'd be curious to know for how many of these pop up, how many incidents are there of talking as much as this kid and tempting the officer(s) into assaulting them, but the officer(s) just ignore it and move on.  It has to be somewhere around 99%


/Man, if i had one dollar for every time some shiat heel mouthed off to me, i would be on a beach  in Jamaica earning 10 percent on my cash. You ignore it, and yes..its difficult, but i looked at it this way, he's going to jail, im going home. I win. Why rise to his trolling?
 
2014-01-09 10:11:36 AM  
We need to raise the education level needed to be a cop.  It won't eliminate the brutality but it might keep some of the troglodytes out.
 
2014-01-09 10:11:46 AM  

internut scholar: A friend of mine is a Trooper. He told me that unless you are dead, you are getting a citation in any wreck. And he has no choice, it's mandated to him. Not sure if other troops in PA follow the same procedures but that's his.


Gotta keep that revenue flowing...

My "bad" cop to good cop encounter ratio is something like 1:4.  One cop I knew was my landlord, and was a major dick.  Used his position to evict me because fark you, that's why (paid my rent on time, and everything else...he just wanted the house back so HE could live there).  The other one wrote me a ticket for something I didn't do, because fark you, that's why (got the ticket thrown out, though).  Granted, NONE of this amounts to what's in the video.  The other encounters with cops were either thoroughly professional (one legitimately caught me speeding, but brought the offense down...guess he was having a good day or something), or I know them personally and they're good people.  But still.  Out of every 5 cops I've known or encountered, 1 was a dick.  I don't have that kind of a ratio with people in any other profession.  Not even the military.

Something about having power just seems to screw with people's heads.  And/or, a position of power is a great attractor for the sociopaths and egotists.

Ghastly: ReverendJasen: Ghastly: This will protect the good cops from false accusations and prevent the bad cops from getting away with their abuse. In this day and age there is absolutely no reason this technology can not be made available and affordable.

The technology is available.  Police unions won't let it happen.  Hell, they fought tooth and nail just to keep GPS tracking out of the cars in at least one district.

Make it a federal law and they'll have no choice but to let it happen.


There are a few cities out there that are already doing badge cameras.  I think it's an awesome idea.  Protects *everybody*.
 
2014-01-09 10:13:47 AM  

Detinwolf: We need to raise the education level needed to be a cop.  It won't eliminate the brutality but it might keep some of the troglodytes out.


It won't.  I know plenty of troglodytes with PhDs.
 
2014-01-09 10:14:03 AM  

darlid01: Of course, now I get an e-mail saying that they aren't going to prosecute because it's not a felony.


Odd.  Speeding tickets aren't felonies either, but they seem willing to prosecute those.

Is there no sort of malfeasance for district attorneys who won't prosecute lawbreakers?
 
2014-01-09 10:14:04 AM  

WelldeadLink: fireclown: ModernPrimitive01: I've yet in my life to be in a situation where I felt better that a cop showed up, and I've seen some things

I'll counter.  I found a dead man on the side of the road last year.  I hit 911, and within 20 min there were two cops, an ambulance and two off duty paramedics on site.

Is the dead man doing any better now?


Yes.  He thinks he'll go for a walk, and is not ready for the cart just yet.
 
2014-01-09 10:14:35 AM  

Onkel Buck: New Hampshire? Live free or die trying


Live free, die young, stay pretty.
 
2014-01-09 10:14:50 AM  
I don't think the kid has much of a case. He might get a settlement offer, but if it goes to court he'll get squat.

 I'm not a lawyer, but also not "IANAL" (stupidest acronym ever!)
 
2014-01-09 10:16:16 AM  

Nabb1: That's going to cost the department some money.


You mean the citizens who pay for the department out of their taxes.

Police abuse settlements should be paid for out of the police pension fund, to encourage self-"policing"
 
2014-01-09 10:17:52 AM  

xanadian: internut scholar: A friend of mine is a Trooper. He told me that unless you are dead, you are getting a citation in any wreck. And he has no choice, it's mandated to him. Not sure if other troops in PA follow the same procedures but that's his.

Gotta keep that revenue flowing...

My "bad" cop to good cop encounter ratio is something like 1:4.  One cop I knew was my landlord, and was a major dick.  Used his position to evict me because fark you, that's why (paid my rent on time, and everything else...he just wanted the house back so HE could live there).  The other one wrote me a ticket for something I didn't do, because fark you, that's why (got the ticket thrown out, though).  Granted, NONE of this amounts to what's in the video.  The other encounters with cops were either thoroughly professional (one legitimately caught me speeding, but brought the offense down...guess he was having a good day or something), or I know them personally and they're good people.  But still.  Out of every 5 cops I've known or encountered, 1 was a dick.  I don't have that kind of a ratio with people in any other profession.  Not even the military.

Something about having power just seems to screw with people's heads.  And/or, a position of power is a great attractor for the sociopaths and egotists.

Ghastly: ReverendJasen: Ghastly: This will protect the good cops from false accusations and prevent the bad cops from getting away with their abuse. In this day and age there is absolutely no reason this technology can not be made available and affordable.

The technology is available.  Police unions won't let it happen.  Hell, they fought tooth and nail just to keep GPS tracking out of the cars in at least one district.

Make it a federal law and they'll have no choice but to let it happen.

There are a few cities out there that are already doing badge cameras.  I think it's an awesome idea.  Protects *everybody*.


/you have to understand. Put yourself in an officers position. Nobody likes you, nobody wants to see you in the rear view mirror, unless you called them for help.  All you see, every day, is brutality by people to one another, drunks that want to fight, drug users that abuse their kids, spouses. Murders and rapes, child molestations.  You get the picture. Add to that, that everyone is watching you, and hoping that you do something wrong so they can sue. Courts, citizens, your other officers, and the brass. All have their eyes on what you're doing, and how your doing it. After so many years of this, one tends to become hard, jaded. You have to, just to survive.  And it is possible to be a good cop through all this, but...it is difficult. We are the product of our environment, and it shapes you after so many years. Everyone lies to you, and you can't trust anyone.  Think of all that, before you say its "power" that makes cops "bad". Its not that, its what they have to go through and see every day.
 
2014-01-09 10:18:36 AM  

MmmmBacon: sammyk: I love how they always get put on PAID leave when this shiat happen. Not a one of them will spend a day in jail either.

/fark tha police

It's a catch-22, though. If they aren't put on paid administrative leave while under investigation, then every BS abuse report that gets filed - and yes, there are many false abuse claims made against cops - would drive good cops out of the profession. I feel bad cops should be held to account for their abuses, absolutely, but taking away paid administrative leave during these investigations won't solve the problem. Putting the bad cops in jail when they break the law would, though.


I totally get the importance of paid administrative leave to protect good cops against false accusations.  I just really think that the police under investigation should have to return the pay if it turns out that they were guilty of infractions.
 
2014-01-09 10:18:37 AM  

Pangea: Nabb1: That's going to cost the department some money.

You mean the citizens who pay for the department out of their taxes.

Police abuse settlements should be paid for out of the police pension fund, to encourage self-"policing"


And all cops should have to pay for their own malpractice/brutality insurance, rather than the cost of their malfeasance being shouldered by taxpayers.
 
2014-01-09 10:19:49 AM  

MyRandomName: sammyk: I love how they always get put on PAID leave when this shiat happen. Not a one of them will spend a day in jail either.

/fark tha police

Union rules.


Well fark tha police union too! Until they throw cops that do this kind of shiat under the bus they are part of the problem. Only a giant pussy that hides behind a gun and a badge does the kind of crap in the video. Only a POS defends it.
 
2014-01-09 10:20:21 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Mikey1969: Wow... While slamming  him into the wall is bad, THIS part is bullshiat, too:

In the report, Dietenhofer said that Richardson "gained control of Bergeron," saying the teen was later pepper sprayed because he refused to stand up.

Really? "Because he didn't stand up?" Fark you assholes. And for the people here who are police, and who know police, it's people like this who drag that image through the mud. And it's not like this is an isolated incident, who the fark is supporting these pricks? The unions need to do some DEEP soul searching, and start setting up a code of conduct defining who they will and who they won't fight to protect.

/funny you mention that. I always told officers i worked with, or from nearby police departments, that if i was with them on a call, and they farked up a suspect with no valid cause, there is no way, none, that i would lie for them. I would tell anyone who asked that you farked him up for no reason, other than that you were pissed. I never beat a suspect who didn't fight, even if he was a scumbag who needed a good ass kicking.  And if i saw an officer do that to someone without cause, yes, i would report them. In writing. I wanted no part of slapping a suspect around with no legal justification.  THAT..is not our job. No, i wasn't popular, and thats fine. At the end of the day, i could look in the mirror and know i treated people with respect, even if they didn't do the same to me.


I think the problem is that less and less people are cops for the RIGHT reason anymore... They aren't there to help anymore, they're there because they are on a power trip. I'm always respectful to officers who pull me over, and I'm still not entirely sure that the only reason that i didn't get shot a few years ago isn't due to 100% luck. I was polite and cooperative to the officer who pulled me over, I let her know immediately about the knife I carried(100% legal), and I had done nothing more than make a sudden lane change because we remembered that we needed something from the store as we passed. This officer that pulled us over was so keyed up, that she wasn't even listening to her radio when they were calling back after running my info, it took another officer to pull up in his car and yell at her before she backed down. My wife learned an important lesson that day: no sudden moves in front of an agitated police officer. She almost hopped out of the car to talk to the officer when the woman thought I had a warrant out for an unpaid ticket(Which I didn't), and the officer turned to my wife and was about half a heartbeat away from pulling her gun.

It's why I like getting pulled over by older cops. My friend who was roommates with a police officer explained it one day: The rookies feel that they have something to prove, while the veterans are polite to you as long as you are courteous to them in return. After he pointed that out, I've noticed that it tends to follow that for the most part.
 
2014-01-09 10:21:46 AM  

xanadian: Out of every 5 cops I've known or encountered, 1 was a dick. I don't have that kind of a ratio with people in any other profession. Not even the military.


xanadian: Something about having power just seems to screw with people's heads. And/or, a position of power is a great attractor for the sociopaths and egotists.


It's probably selection bias.  The main times you encounter cops is when you're doing something against the law.  In the military, you're working together.  When you get pulled over, you're not working together.

xanadian: one legitimately caught me speeding, but brought the offense down...guess he was having a good day or something


This is just my own guess from my own anecdotes as well as a few others but I always thought the cops do that to make you happy so you don't fight the ticket in court.  It seems from your post you were happy to pay your fine, versus possibly contesting it in court which would require the officer to show up in court.
 
2014-01-09 10:22:30 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: /you have to understand. Put yourself in an officers position. Nobody likes you, nobody wants to see you in the rear view mirror, unless you called them for help. All you see, every day, is brutality by people to one another, drunks that want to fight, drug users that abuse their kids, spouses. Murders and rapes, child molestations. You get the picture. Add to that, that everyone is watching you, and hoping that you do something wrong so they can sue. Courts, citizens, your other officers, and the brass. All have their eyes on what you're doing, and how your doing it. After so many years of this, one tends to become hard, jaded. You have to, just to survive. And it is possible to be a good cop through all this, but...it is difficult. We are the product of our environment, and it shapes you after so many years. Everyone lies to you, and you can't trust anyone. Think of all that, before you say its "power" that makes cops "bad". Its not that, its what they have to go through and see every day.


We should eliminate the unconscionable draft system the government uses to force people to become police officers.
 
2014-01-09 10:22:44 AM  

internut scholar: cannibalparrot: internut scholar: cannibalparrot: ModernPrimitive01: I've yet in my life to be in a situation where I felt better that a cop showed up, and I've seen some things

I totaled my car the othe day. It came to rest in the middle of the highway, at night, on icy roads, and the lights/electrical system were destroyed by the wreck. I would have felt better had a cop showed up right about then as I was waving oncoming traffic down with only the light of my phone.

And wouldn't you know it? Nobody showed up, even after calling 911.

/thankfully a wrecker just happened to come along about 15 minutes later


You are lucky no one showed up. If the cops had you would have got a citation for the wreck. At least in PA you would have.

Eh, it was just me. Hit a patch of black ice and tore up my car on the left barrier (which was absurdly close to the highway, otherwise I could have corrected the slide).

And they were running the snow plows without salt, so they were pushing the only bit of traction off the road, and leaving the bare ice behind. Had they ticketed me, I'd have been more than happy to send them a lawsuit for taking actions that contributed to the wreck...probably wouldn't have gone anywhere, but I'd have felt better that it would likely cost them more than what I paid on the ticket.

Because fark Tennessee, that's why.


And what you just explained to me would have gotten you a citation for driving in unsafe conditions. I wish I wasn't kidding.

A friend of mine is a Trooper. He told me that unless you are dead, you are getting a citation in any wreck. And he has no choice, it's mandated to him. Not sure if other troops in PA follow the same procedures but that's his.


The lawsuit wouldnt be for the ticket, it would be against the city/county/whatever for taking actions making unsafe conditions much worse.

Unlikely to win? Sure. Crazy? Maybe. But so was every new legal theory...before it eventually won. It used to be you couldn't sue the state (and by extension any local government) no matter HOW negligent or willful their injurious conduct was, until some crazy lawyer (with a more sympathetic case than mine, sure) filed a suit, lost, appealed, and was lucky enough to get a panel of judges that said "hey, you know what? This guy's right...the state really SHOULDN'T be able to do , which got people killed"
 
2014-01-09 10:23:01 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: /you have to understand. Put yourself in an officers position. Nobody likes you, nobody wants to see you in the rear view mirror, unless you called them for help.  All you see, every day, is brutality by people to one another, drunks that want to fight, drug users that abuse their kids, spouses. Murders and rapes, child molestations.  You get the picture. Add to that, that everyone is watching you, and hoping that you do something wrong so they can sue. Courts, citizens, your other officers, and the brass. All have their eyes on what you're doing, and how your doing it. After so many years of this, one tends to become hard, jaded. You have to, just to survive.  And it is possible to be a good cop through all this, but...it is difficult. We are the product of our environment, and it shapes you after so many years. Everyone lies to you, and you can't trust anyone.  Think of all that, before you say its "power" that makes cops "bad". Its not that, its what they have to go through and see every day.


I absolutely understand that.

I also understand that a lot of it is a constant stream of bullsh*t radio calls, 8 hours a day, that largely amount to prying people apart who live under the same roof and are supposed to care about each other - until the board is clear for 10 min and you can eat.

Know what else I understand?

Becoming part of the problem means being part of the problem.  Period.  The shoveling sh*t all day doesn't get a bye run for beating the sh*t out of the waiter because he asks him to sit on the patio.  If the burnout is that f*cking high, maybe we need term limits.  Nothing justifies joining the gang you're supposed to be dragging in to booking.
 
2014-01-09 10:24:21 AM  

puckrock2000: duffblue: This happened to a white boy in the pretty liberal state of New Hampshire, imagine what it's like for black kids somewhere like Bloomberg's New York.

[bluwiki.com image 432x196]

/oh, and pull your damn pants up, Bergeron


Looks like the only thing the guy was really doing wrong. He was walking along, and talking to the cops, if that was "combative", I would assume that they would have even slammed Terry Schiavo's head into the wall. The pants bothered me, but not enough to slam his head into the wall.
 
2014-01-09 10:25:27 AM  

bunner: The guy shoveling

 
2014-01-09 10:26:21 AM  

bunner: Bit'O'Gristle: /you have to understand. Put yourself in an officers position. Nobody likes you, nobody wants to see you in the rear view mirror, unless you called them for help.  All you see, every day, is brutality by people to one another, drunks that want to fight, drug users that abuse their kids, spouses. Murders and rapes, child molestations.  You get the picture. Add to that, that everyone is watching you, and hoping that you do something wrong so they can sue. Courts, citizens, your other officers, and the brass. All have their eyes on what you're doing, and how your doing it. After so many years of this, one tends to become hard, jaded. You have to, just to survive.  And it is possible to be a good cop through all this, but...it is difficult. We are the product of our environment, and it shapes you after so many years. Everyone lies to you, and you can't trust anyone.  Think of all that, before you say its "power" that makes cops "bad". Its not that, its what they have to go through and see every day.

I absolutely understand that.

I also understand that a lot of it is a constant stream of bullsh*t radio calls, 8 hours a day, that largely amount to prying people apart who live under the same roof and are supposed to care about each other - until the board is clear for 10 min and you can eat.

Know what else I understand?

Becoming part of the problem means being part of the problem.  Period.  The shoveling sh*t all day doesn't get a bye run for beating the sh*t out of the waiter because he asks him to sit on the patio.  If the burnout is that f*cking high, maybe we need term limits.  Nothing justifies joining the gang you're supposed to be dragging in to booking.


/i totally agree, and i wasn't trying to excuse, but explain why some cops are "hard". There are many many of them, that lived through it , without abusing anyone.
 
2014-01-09 10:27:18 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: but explain why some cops are "hard"


John Wayne was hard.  These pricks are just schoolyard bully mean.
 
2014-01-09 10:28:31 AM  

This text is now purple: Bit'O'Gristle: /you have to understand. Put yourself in an officers position. Nobody likes you, nobody wants to see you in the rear view mirror, unless you called them for help. All you see, every day, is brutality by people to one another, drunks that want to fight, drug users that abuse their kids, spouses. Murders and rapes, child molestations. You get the picture. Add to that, that everyone is watching you, and hoping that you do something wrong so they can sue. Courts, citizens, your other officers, and the brass. All have their eyes on what you're doing, and how your doing it. After so many years of this, one tends to become hard, jaded. You have to, just to survive. And it is possible to be a good cop through all this, but...it is difficult. We are the product of our environment, and it shapes you after so many years. Everyone lies to you, and you can't trust anyone. Think of all that, before you say its "power" that makes cops "bad". Its not that, its what they have to go through and see every day.

We should eliminate the unconscionable draft system the government uses to force people to become police officers.


/wow, wasn't that just farking enlightening? You're welcome btw, for my 20+ years of service without blemish.
 
2014-01-09 10:28:57 AM  

darlid01: Finally, they went out and got the laptop. Now it's three months since it was stolen and I know the cops have the laptop. Of course, now I get an e-mail saying that they aren't going to prosecute because it's not a felony.

Yeah, the cops are just awesome...


They can't return it because they 1) slammed it against a wall for being uncooperative and the administrative investigation is not completed, 2) are still searching it for evidence of child pornography and pirated software/videos before it can be returned to you, or 3) gave it to their kids for Christmas.
 
2014-01-09 10:30:06 AM  

Fark It: Pangea: Nabb1: That's going to cost the department some money.

You mean the citizens who pay for the department out of their taxes.

Police abuse settlements should be paid for out of the police pension fund, to encourage self-"policing"

And all cops should have to pay for their own malpractice/brutality insurance, rather than the cost of their malfeasance being shouldered by taxpayers.


Agreed. Then the good cops will be ASKING for cameras.

I believe there are good cops out there. These simple suggestions could reduce this instances.
 
2014-01-09 10:30:38 AM  

Heliovdrake: Remeber folks, if you record a cop breaking the law in most states, you are the criminal for wire taping and putting the officers life in danger.


Yes, because if someone is recording the scene and you aren't, the people doing the recording can edit their recordings to make it look like literally anything they want is happening, and you don't have any proof it didn't happen that way.

/of course you know this
//naturally, when people do it to make the cops look bad, it's "perfectly fair" and "the cops are stupid for not taping everything 24/7"
///while when a cop does it, it's "OMG WIRETAPPING! THE NSA IS INVADING MAH PRIVACY TO STEAL MAH VITAL ESSENCES!"
 
2014-01-09 10:34:05 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Think of all that, before you say its "power" that makes cops "bad". Its not that, its what they have to go through and see every day.


Oh, I'm sure that doesn't help.  But there've been experiments where you put a bunch of people in a prisoner/guard scenario, and bad shiat develops.  It's probably, ultimately, a mix of these things.

Either way, badge cameras would help take care of a lot of that.  A citizen knows he's being watched, he's less likely to be a dick in front of the cop.  Also, the cop's less likely to pull some shenanigans if *he's* being watched.

lennavan: It's probably selection bias. The main times you encounter cops is when you're doing something against the law. In the military, you're working together. When you get pulled over, you're not working together.


That makes sense.

I've been pulled over (or, at least, on the side of the road when a cop comes by) 7 times.  Only once did the cop try to trump something up.  Then, of course, was the cop who was my landlord.  Utter dick.  And, apparently, he has a ...reputation.  Then, I have a friend who is the deputy chief of police for a town up here.  Great guy, but a bit grabby, and forward about his sexual exploits.

Guess it amounts to a CSB.

lennavan: This is just my own guess from my own anecdotes as well as a few others but I always thought the cops do that to make you happy so you don't fight the ticket in court. It seems from your post you were happy to pay your fine, versus possibly contesting it in court which would require the officer to show up in court.


why that sneaky....

/yeah, it was, like, $50.  big whoop.
 
2014-01-09 10:35:15 AM  

internut scholar: cannibalparrot: internut scholar: cannibalparrot: ModernPrimitive01: I've yet in my life to be in a situation where I felt better that a cop showed up, and I've seen some things

I totaled my car the othe day. It came to rest in the middle of the highway, at night, on icy roads, and the lights/electrical system were destroyed by the wreck. I would have felt better had a cop showed up right about then as I was waving oncoming traffic down with only the light of my phone.

And wouldn't you know it? Nobody showed up, even after calling 911.

/thankfully a wrecker just happened to come along about 15 minutes later


You are lucky no one showed up. If the cops had you would have got a citation for the wreck. At least in PA you would have.

Eh, it was just me. Hit a patch of black ice and tore up my car on the left barrier (which was absurdly close to the highway, otherwise I could have corrected the slide).

And they were running the snow plows without salt, so they were pushing the only bit of traction off the road, and leaving the bare ice behind. Had they ticketed me, I'd have been more than happy to send them a lawsuit for taking actions that contributed to the wreck...probably wouldn't have gone anywhere, but I'd have felt better that it would likely cost them more than what I paid on the ticket.

Because fark Tennessee, that's why.


And what you just explained to me would have gotten you a citation for driving in unsafe conditions. I wish I wasn't kidding.

A friend of mine is a Trooper. He told me that unless you are dead, you are getting a citation in any wreck. And he has no choice, it's mandated to him. Not sure if other troops in PA follow the same procedures but that's his.


For the record, I understand that I probably would have gotten a citation (and I admit that I probably should have). I'm not disputing that part at all.

It still would've stuck in my craw, though.
 
2014-01-09 10:35:50 AM  

wambu: darlid01: Finally, they went out and got the laptop. Now it's three months since it was stolen and I know the cops have the laptop. Of course, now I get an e-mail saying that they aren't going to prosecute because it's not a felony.

Yeah, the cops are just awesome...

They can't return it because they 1) slammed it against a wall for being uncooperative and the administrative investigation is not completed, 2) are still searching it for evidence of child pornography and pirated software/videos before it can be returned to you, or 3) gave it to their kids for Christmas.


ha!
 
2014-01-09 10:37:31 AM  
 
2014-01-09 10:38:31 AM  

Weaver95: And this is why I don't trust the cops anymore....i'm sure there are good ones out there who do the job and aren't violent sociopaths but....yeah.  still ain't trusting the cops.


The momentary violence is brutal, but there are a number of scary parts to this discussion that, rightfully, back up your mistrust:

- It took over 4 years to get that video from the cops. That occurred in 2009.
- Other cops looked at that video, and decided that no charges should be filed against the asshole who decided that a cinder-block concussion and pepper spraying was the right action for being mouthy to a cop. In fact, other cops decided that nothing, absolutely nothing, should be done about it.
- It took over 4 years to put all three of those assholes on administrative leave, and only because the guy lawyered up.

Bad cops are going to happen - they're human. What should make you distrust cops is that not a single cop, good or bad, stepped up when this happened. As bunner's post put it, if you just allow this clearly illegal act to occur and you don't do anything about it, you, too, are a bad cop. If you can't hold yourself or other cops accountable, you have no business holding anyone else accountable, either.
 
2014-01-09 10:38:39 AM  

TripSixes: Pigs are friendly creatures much like dogs.


th07.deviantart.net

disagrees.
 
2014-01-09 10:39:44 AM  

Dharma Bumstead: MmmmBacon: It's a catch-22, though. If they aren't put on paid administrative leave while under investigation, then every BS abuse report that gets filed - and yes, there are many false abuse claims made against cops - would drive good cops out of the profession.

***What "good cops?" To some degree they are all bullies, thugs or morons. Even if they aren't beating the crap out of people or murdering unarmed civilians they protect the cops that do. These supposed "good cops" will twist themselves into pretzels to defend, justify and protect the bad ones. Here in Los Angeles, the police chief makes sure to protect the bad ones. And if you are protecting and defending and justifying bad behavior that isn't being a good person.


My nephew is a good cop.  He is 24, works in the projects in Boston and does the right thing.  He's always been a good kid and still is.  What he will be after 10 years on the job remains to be seen, but there are good cops.
 
2014-01-09 10:39:57 AM  

xanadian: WelldeadLink: fireclown: ModernPrimitive01: I've yet in my life to be in a situation where I felt better that a cop showed up, and I've seen some things

I'll counter.  I found a dead man on the side of the road last year.  I hit 911, and within 20 min there were two cops, an ambulance and two off duty paramedics on site.

Is the dead man doing any better now?

Yes.  He thinks he'll go for a walk, and is not ready for the cart just yet.


Of course he isn't.  But wasn't killed by the police.  Nor was he killed where I found him.  The point was that I called 911 and help showed up.
 
2014-01-09 10:42:57 AM  
I've known some good cops--some good, honest, actually fun-to-be-around cops--but there are bad cops in this world.

CSB: Back when I was an undergrad in college, I knew the majority of the campus police (who, incidentally, were technically members of the state police force and carried the state police badge despite identifying themselves as campus police). I was on a first-name basis with five or six of them, and on one memorable occasion they let me handcuff a friend of mine outside the student union just because it was a slow day. I even gave the standard Miranda warning. Those were good cops--the bad ones on campus were always seen drinking coffee in the back of the library while shenanigans were going on outside.

I have no idea why the cops said no when I asked to borrow a Taser.

/Same cops let me screw around in a marked cruiser
//Wanted to be a university cop for a while
 
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2014-01-09 10:46:27 AM  

MmmmBacon: sammyk: I love how they always get put on PAID leave when this shiat happen. Not a one of them will spend a day in jail either.

/fark tha police

It's a catch-22, though. If they aren't put on paid administrative leave while under investigation, then every BS abuse report that gets filed - and yes, there are many false abuse claims made against cops - would drive good cops out of the profession. I feel bad cops should be held to account for their abuses, absolutely, but taking away paid administrative leave during these investigations won't solve the problem. Putting the bad cops in jail when they break the law would, though.


ragecams.com
Problem solved. Wearable police cameras will back up the cop's story when they're being falsely accused, and will have "technical difficulties" when they're up to no good.
 
2014-01-09 10:50:38 AM  
I would like to offer the only useful advice I have for thugs, billionaires, feds, cops, congresspersons, CEOs, judges, attorneys, mobsters, priests, pastors, business owners, gang bangers or anybody else who would deign to put on an authority hat on either side of the equation.

STOP DOING ILLEGAL, CHEAP, SLIMY SH*T.

A ghetto is the result of people cooperating to live like sh*tbags.  It's not a location.  It's a method of conduct.  Stop being a ghetto.

And, if you can, help uninstall the ones you see.  Cause that is, ultimately, a cop's job.  "It's not that simple!"  Bullsh*t.  It's.  Precisely.  That.  Simple.
 
2014-01-09 10:51:32 AM  
Bit'O'Gristle:

/you have to understand. Put yourself in an officers position. Nobody likes you, nobody wants to see you in the rear view mirror, unless you called them for help.  All you see, every day, is brutality by people to one another, drunks that want to fight, drug users that abuse their kids, spouses. Murders and rapes, child molestations.  You get the picture. Add to that, that everyone is watching you, and hoping that you do something wrong so they can sue. Courts, citizens, your other officers, and the brass. All have their eyes on what you're doing, and how your doing it. After so many years of this, one tends to become hard, jaded. You have to, just to survive.  And it is possible to be a good cop through all this, but...it is difficult. We are the product of our environment, and it shapes you after so many years. Everyone lies to you, and you can't trust anyone.  Think of all that, before you say its "power" that makes cops "bad". Its not that, its what they have to go through and see every day.

***And this is an argument that I have lost patience with.
If the job is so horrible, if it puts you into contact with bad people and life-threatening situations; if you are dealing on a daily basis with the scum of the earth who dare lie to you, here's a bit of advice - change careers. Otherwise man up, grow a pair, don't be a pu**y and don't whine like some 6-year-old girl about the brutality you see. It's the life you've chosen, deal with it or get out.
Nobody forces someone into law enforcement. No one puts a gun to someone's head and says, "Go be a cop." (If anything, it's the cop putting a gun to some poor civilian schmuck's head because that is what they do.)
But people get into law enforcement not because they want to "help" people (the lie they tell themselves and others) but because deep down they are bullies and thugs. A law enforcement job allows them to be paid to be a bully and thug; they get to carry a gun and wear a badge and are protected by other officers, their chief, and their union. They engage in bad behavior because they know they will get away with it.
 
Ant
2014-01-09 10:52:16 AM  

orclover: In other news: PUT ON A farkING BELT!

Which cop in charge of losing the video evidence is going to be fired?


Don't they take stuff like that away from you when you're arrested?
 
2014-01-09 10:54:24 AM  

maram500: I've known some good cops--some good, honest, actually fun-to-be-around cops--but there are bad cops in this world.

CSB: Back when I was an undergrad in college, I knew the majority of the campus police (who, incidentally, were technically members of the state police force and carried the state police badge despite identifying themselves as campus police). I was on a first-name basis with five or six of them, and on one memorable occasion they let me handcuff a friend of mine outside the student union just because it was a slow day. I even gave the standard Miranda warning. Those were good cops--the bad ones on campus were always seen drinking coffee in the back of the library while shenanigans were going on outside.

I have no idea why the cops said no when I asked to borrow a Taser.

/Same cops let me screw around in a marked cruiser
//Wanted to be a university cop for a while


Campus cop for a state university (and like in your story, must university police are actual state cops whereas a private university will usually have 'security' or rent-a-cops) would be a pretty sweet gig as long as you had decent leadership and aren't a dick. Seriously, campuses are generally pretty quiet places day in and day out.

Most of the time you'll be dealing with drunk kids or people running stop signs. Maybe a shoplifter at the bookstore, property thefts, so mostly minor crap. Really, if you want to be chill most of the time and don't feel the need to be a dick, university cop would be a great job.

Unfortunately, sometimes the university PD will end up with one guys like the ones in the video, and then they wonder why nobody respects them at all.
 
2014-01-09 10:54:50 AM  

Dharma Bumstead: They engage in bad behavior because they know they will get away with it.


And that's why education is so important and needs to change.

Allow me to offer some education.

"Hey, dumbass.  You're gonna die one day and if they install a urinal and a dance floor on your grave, it's on you."

See how invaluable education is when contemplating "getting away" with things?
 
2014-01-09 11:00:11 AM  

bunner: Prey4reign: Come on people.  The police "violence" was no worse than what goes on at most fraternity hazings.  Looked like a group of older people introducing a younger person into the real world.

-63457638645746/10  Seriously.


And yet ...

monoski: Prey4reign: Come on people.  The police "violence" was no worse than what goes on at most fraternity hazings.  Looked like a group of older people introducing a younger person into the real world.

How many fraternities do you know of who bring along "throwdown" weapons for when they shoot unarmed suspects?

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.law-enforcement/v962yVOb jw s


Oh yeah, and fark these police with rusty garden weasels.
 
Ant
2014-01-09 11:00:19 AM  

Mikey1969: Wow... While slamming  him into the wall is bad, THIS part is bullshiat, too:

In the report, Dietenhofer said that Richardson "gained control of Bergeron," saying the teen was later pepper sprayed because he refused to stand up.

Really? "Because he didn't stand up?" Fark you assholes. And for the people here who are police, and who know police, it's people like this who drag that image through the mud. And it's not like this is an isolated incident, who the fark is supporting these pricks? The unions need to do some DEEP soul searching, and start setting up a code of conduct defining who they will and who they won't fight to protect.


Stand up, you unconscious piece of shiat!!! Right! That's a pepper spraying!
 
2014-01-09 11:02:06 AM  

Prey4reign: And yet ...


.. you think you got "play".  It's too early for this movie.  Adios, Lord Squintnipple.   :  )
 
2014-01-09 11:04:06 AM  

Pangea: Nabb1: That's going to cost the department some money.

You mean the citizens who pay for the department out of their taxes.

Police abuse settlements should be paid for out of the police pension fund, to encourage self-"policing"


The sad thing is, at least in my city, the pension funds are protected by the Police Unions. We, the people, voted to cut the police pensions (they were getting something like 150% for every dollar or something like that). The cops did not like that so they targeted certain city council members and had one of their people run for that seat. They posted cops in full uniform near voting areas to try and force their votes or intimidate people into voting for their person. And sadly, some of their people won and the first thing they did was vote to give the police their pensions back. Over turning a vote by the people.

By my understanding, I thought this is illegal as my new city council woman is a wife of a cop and she voted on this issue meaning she had personal gain in it or could be a bought vote in a  way.
 
2014-01-09 11:04:53 AM  
Maybe they thought he was Bieber.
 
Ant
2014-01-09 11:05:36 AM  

TripSixes: Marcus Aurelius: We don't call them "pigs" for nothing, you know.

Pigs are friendly creatures much like dogs.


3.bp.blogspot.com

Then I hear the best thing to do is feed them to pigs. You got to starve the pigs for a few days, then the sight of a chopped-up body will look like curry to a pisshead. You gotta shave the heads of your victims, and pull the teeth out for the sake of the piggies' digestion. You could do this afterwards, of course, but you don't want to go sievin' through pig shiat, now do you?

They will go through bone like butter. You need at least sixteen pigs to finish the job in one sitting, so be wary of any man who keeps a pig farm. They will go through a body that weighs 200 pounds in about eight minutes. That means that a single pig can consume two pounds of uncooked flesh every minute. Hence the expression, "as greedy as a pig".
 
2014-01-09 11:08:23 AM  

dustygrimp: My nephew is a good cop.  He is 24, works in the projects in Boston and does the right thing.  He's always been a good kid and still is.  What he will be after 10 years on the job remains to be seen, but there are good cops.


Judging from the rate at which these stories show up on fark, I'd say most of them were.  Judging from the people that comment in police abuse threads, 99% of them are rotten.
 
2014-01-09 11:08:55 AM  

yves0010: By my understanding, I thought this is illegal as my new city council woman is a wife of a cop and she voted on this issue meaning she had personal gain in it or could be a bought vote in a  way.


Are you implying, sirrah, that there are those amongst the thick and mind legions of civil servants in our bureaucracies who would resort to disingenuous and manipulative illegalities in order to vote themselves largess out of the treasury?  I am flabbergasted, sir.
 
2014-01-09 11:09:02 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: xanadian: internut scholar: A friend of mine is a Trooper. He told me that unless you are dead, you are getting a citation in any wreck. And he has no choice, it's mandated to him. Not sure if other troops in PA follow the same procedures but that's his.

Gotta keep that revenue flowing...

My "bad" cop to good cop encounter ratio is something like 1:4.  One cop I knew was my landlord, and was a major dick.  Used his position to evict me because fark you, that's why (paid my rent on time, and everything else...he just wanted the house back so HE could live there).  The other one wrote me a ticket for something I didn't do, because fark you, that's why (got the ticket thrown out, though).  Granted, NONE of this amounts to what's in the video.  The other encounters with cops were either thoroughly professional (one legitimately caught me speeding, but brought the offense down...guess he was having a good day or something), or I know them personally and they're good people.  But still.  Out of every 5 cops I've known or encountered, 1 was a dick.  I don't have that kind of a ratio with people in any other profession.  Not even the military.

Something about having power just seems to screw with people's heads.  And/or, a position of power is a great attractor for the sociopaths and egotists.

Ghastly: ReverendJasen: Ghastly: This will protect the good cops from false accusations and prevent the bad cops from getting away with their abuse. In this day and age there is absolutely no reason this technology can not be made available and affordable.

The technology is available.  Police unions won't let it happen.  Hell, they fought tooth and nail just to keep GPS tracking out of the cars in at least one district.

Make it a federal law and they'll have no choice but to let it happen.

There are a few cities out there that are already doing badge cameras.  I think it's an awesome idea.  Protects *everybody*.

/you have to understand. Put yourself in an officers position. No ...


oh please what a bunch of BS. A large majority of officers are sitting in cruisers doing traffic enforcement and are not rubbing elbows with the dregs of society every farking day. You know how I know you are full of it ? Because there are as many or more police dept in towns that have almost no violent crime etc. Sure maybe in a big city officers are seeing the worst of the worst but the vast majority of cops are working in depts with little or no crime and very little threat to officer safety.

They simply escalate because they can. They know there is really no check on what they do in the field. The Depts and unions ALWAYS back the officer no matter what. Even when what the cop did was blatant they use terms like "Aggressive Stance" or any number of completely fabricated situationals to explain away an officers illegal conduct. Everyone hates you for a reason. There is ZERO accountability for police officers. They have to kill someone and even then they usually walk.

People join the force knowing EXACTLY how their fellow citizens feel about their profession. They bought their ticket etc etc
 
2014-01-09 11:12:44 AM  

Ant: Mikey1969: Wow... While slamming  him into the wall is bad, THIS part is bullshiat, too:

In the report, Dietenhofer said that Richardson "gained control of Bergeron," saying the teen was later pepper sprayed because he refused to stand up.

Really? "Because he didn't stand up?" Fark you assholes. And for the people here who are police, and who know police, it's people like this who drag that image through the mud. And it's not like this is an isolated incident, who the fark is supporting these pricks? The unions need to do some DEEP soul searching, and start setting up a code of conduct defining who they will and who they won't fight to protect.

Stand up, you unconscious piece of shiat!!! Right! That's a pepper spraying!


Yeah, something that bothers me is the video where they taser some poor schlub, and then taser him AGAIN because he didn't get up off of the ground while convulsing...
 
2014-01-09 11:13:29 AM  

bunner: yves0010: By my understanding, I thought this is illegal as my new city council woman is a wife of a cop and she voted on this issue meaning she had personal gain in it or could be a bought vote in a  way.

Are you implying, sirrah, that there are those amongst the thick and mind legions of civil servants in our bureaucracies who would resort to disingenuous and manipulative illegalities in order to vote themselves largess out of the treasury?  I am flabbergasted, sir.


You sir, made me laugh. Thank God I was not drinking my hot chocolate at that moment.
 
2014-01-09 11:14:34 AM  
If it walks like a duck...  The low opinion that the public at large has of the police is due to Occam's razor.  Not some neighborhood conspiracy of big, fat meanie citizens.
 
2014-01-09 11:18:00 AM  

dustygrimp: My nephew is a good cop.


Is his name Hooker?

//Hooker's a good cop!
 
Ant
2014-01-09 11:20:30 AM  

This text is now purple: We should eliminate the unconscionable draft system the government uses to force people to become police officers.


I don't think he was in any way excusing bad behavior.

I don't think most people know how such an environment will affect them until they've been in it for a while. Fellow officers should, however, be able to recognize when a coworker is going down a bad path and help to put a stop to it without fear of being ostracized for not covering bad behavior
 
2014-01-09 11:22:59 AM  

phyrkrakr: FTFA: There is no clear indication in court paperwork of how the DWI charge was resolved.

So...what's the statute of limitations on a DWI in New Hampshire?


I thought that only regulated how long the state had to bring charges.  He's not in jail at the moment, so do speedy trial requirements apply?
 
2014-01-09 11:23:36 AM  
Fark It [TotalFark]
2014-01-09 09:50:11 AM


OnlyM3: neongoats

Cops are civilians, just saying. They aren't some special pseudo military protected class. Any farking useless pig farker that tells you different... They absolutely are a protected class. They have dozens of protections from prosecution that Joe-6-pack would never have.

Why do you hate the unions and working class civil servants who risk their lives every day to protect you!

not_ sure_if_serious.jpg
 
2014-01-09 11:24:05 AM  

Ant: I don't think most people know how such an environment will affect them until they've been in it for a while. Fellow officers should, however, be able to recognize when a coworker is going down a bad path and help to put a stop to it without fear of being ostracized for not covering bad behavior


THIS.  If you are "brethren", when  you see your brother tripping over his dick and about to become part of the problem, you help him.  You don't throw a blanket over him and hope nobody notices.  That's not a good brother.
 
Ant
2014-01-09 11:24:58 AM  

fireclown: TripSixes: Pigs are friendly creatures much like dogs.

[th07.deviantart.net image 850x850]

disagrees.


Didn't even see this when I posted mine.
 
2014-01-09 11:25:56 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: you have to understand. Put yourself in an officers position. Nobody likes you, nobody wants to see you in the rear view mirror, unless you called them for help. All you see, every day, is brutality by people to one another, drunks that want to fight, drug users that abuse their kids, spouses. Murders and rapes, child molestations. You get the picture. Add to that, that everyone is watching you, and hoping that you do something wrong so they can sue. Courts, citizens, your other officers, and the brass. All have their eyes on what you're doing, and how your doing it. After so many years of this, one tends to become hard, jaded. You have to, just to survive. And it is possible to be a good cop through all this, but...it is difficult. We are the product of our environment, and it shapes you after so many years. Everyone lies to you, and you can't trust anyone. Think of all that, before you say its "power" that makes cops "bad". Its not that, its what they have to go through and see every day.


What movie is that from.... it's on the tip of my tongue. Was it the one with Sean Penn?
 
2014-01-09 11:26:26 AM  

Ghastly: This will protect the good cops from false accusations and prevent the bad cops from getting away with their abuse. In this day and age there is absolutely no reason except police unions this technology can not be made available and affordable. If I was a cop I'd carry my own camera just to cover my own ass. But then again, I'm not a raging psychopath either.


FTFY
 
2014-01-09 11:27:49 AM  
Look at the grins on those piggies. I don't always say f*ck the police, but when I do, it's because the assholes like this are ALWAYS protected by the "good ones."

PROTIP MOTHERF*CKERS: If you are knowingly working side-by-side with and protecting the sort of person who would do something like this, YOU'RE NOT A F*CKING GOOD COP.
 
2014-01-09 11:29:59 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: I wanted no part of slapping a suspect around with no legal justification.  THAT..is not our job. No, i wasn't popular, and thats fine. At the end of the day, i could look in the mirror and know i treated people with respect, even if they didn't do the same to me.


Funny, because last month you wrote about administering "street justice" to "anyone really that is a farking asshole."
 
2014-01-09 11:32:19 AM  
Bit'O'Gristle [TotalFark]

/you have to understand. Put yourself in an officers position. Nobody likes you, nobody wants to see you in the rear view mirror, unless you called them for help. All you see, every day, is brutality by people to one another, drunks that want to fight, drug users that abuse their kids, spouses. Murders and rapes, child molestations. You get the picture.
Don't like the job? Get a Farking different one. Wondering why everybody hates you? Your brutality might be a good hint.

Add to that, that everyone is watching you, and hoping that you do something wrong so they can sue. Courts, citizens, your other officers, and the brass. All have their eyes on what you're doing, and how your doing it.
Oh bullshiat. The "brass" in this very farking story proves you're full of shiat. He's been covering up for them and now that it's gone public is trying to spin it. Several months ago was a story of a cop who tried to get her fellow thugs to stop beating on an innocent, nonviolent civilian and they fired her ass for it. You're a bunch of brutal thugs, nothing more.

Everyone lies to you, and you can't trust anyone.
You're allowed to lie as part of your job right? Fark you complaining about lies.

Think of all that, before you say its "power" that makes cops "bad".
Officers who want to whine should think about going home and suck starting their service shotgun.
 
2014-01-09 11:33:46 AM  

mjbok: dustygrimp: My nephew is a good cop.

Is his name Hooker?

//Hooker's a good cop!



"Were you able to jump on the hood?"

"Oh yeah!"

www.tj-hooker.com
 
2014-01-09 11:35:03 AM  

MindStalker: vudukungfu: Whoah
They slam his head into a wall, pick him up, throw him down, then pepper spray him?
Yeah.
I can see they will be getting a harsh punishment of paid leave and no jelly donuts.

A good explanation of the logic/legal reasoning behind paid leave http://www.reddit.com/r/ProtectAndServe/comments/1s01lr/most_common_m y th/cdslvma
Paid leave isn't the punishment, its taking them off the street while the investigation is happening. Also there is an issue of special Miranda issues dealing with police.
Read the link its eye opening.


I stopped reading right about where he started whining that Garrity takes away their fifth amendment rights.

/tiny violins all around
//switch them back to Miranda, they aren't somehow magically above the law
 
2014-01-09 11:38:00 AM  

notatrollorami: I know this is supposed to be a cop hate thread and all, and maybe I'm alone in this and cynical, but based on the comments I read I was underwhelmed by the video. There's plenty of serious police brutality out there; I'm just not sure this rises to the level I'm going to go apeshiat about.


So you'd be okay with cops giving you the exact same treatment they gave the kid in the video?
 
2014-01-09 11:39:27 AM  

kroonermanblack: No one remembers the 4 billion guys doing their job well day to day. Just the 5 guys who commit police brutality.


So long as those 4 billion are defending those 5, there are no good cops amongst the lot.

/and hilarious reversal of the numbers there
//got a good chuckle out of me
 
2014-01-09 11:40:32 AM  
It's a sh*tty, often amazingly boring job.

It is.

You're mostly babysitting dipsh*ts who are just sober enough to dial 911.

However, I think it would make it less difficult fro everybody if we had a federal law, requiring all LEO to be tested for annabolic steroids on a weekly basis.  No outs, no maybes, overrides union can refuse.  Federal.  Blow your piss test, you lose your badge.  Period.  For  -  ever.  Cause the last thing you need is be to be jacked up on rage fuel when you're sitting around with your thumb up your ass in a car full of weapons.  What's that white house petition site?
 
2014-01-09 11:41:39 AM  
union can't refuse
 
2014-01-09 11:41:47 AM  

Prey4reign: Come on people.  The police "violence" was no worse than what goes on at most fraternity hazings.  Looked like a group of older people introducing a younger person into the real world.


You're regularly knocked into walls and maced? No? Then that's not the "real world," it's assholes with authority.
 
2014-01-09 11:43:47 AM  
 
2014-01-09 11:43:56 AM  

neongoats: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: MmmmBacon: sammyk: I love how they always get put on PAID leave when this shiat happen. Not a one of them will spend a day in jail either.

/fark tha police

It's a catch-22, though. If they aren't put on paid administrative leave while under investigation, then every BS abuse report that gets filed - and yes, there are many false abuse claims made against cops - would drive good cops out of the profession. I feel bad cops should be held to account for their abuses, absolutely, but taking away paid administrative leave during these investigations won't solve the problem. Putting the bad cops in jail when they break the law would, though.


Could have a preliminary internal review of the complaint to decide their leave status. If a civilian were accused of a similar offense, he'd get a hearing to determine whether he'd be sitting in jail pending trial.

Cops are civilians, just saying. They aren't some special pseudo military protected class. Any farking useless pig farker that tells you different can die in a fire, along with all the crooked asshole pro militarization cops.


I know, right.

www.newyorker.com

Oh wait...
 
2014-01-09 11:46:54 AM  

doglover: Weaver95: And this is why I don't trust the cops anymore

You lack proper historical education.

Cops have ALWAYS been like this. In fact, they were much nicer to this guy than they would have been in the 30s when they'd just gun his ass down in his car and call it a victory.


They were pulling people over for DUI in the 30s?
 
2014-01-09 11:47:50 AM  

fireclown: ModernPrimitive01: I've yet in my life to be in a situation where I felt better that a cop showed up, and I've seen some things

I'll counter.  I found a dead man on the side of the road last year.  I hit 911, and within 20 min there were two cops, an ambulance and two off duty paramedics on site.


Oh sure, you "found" a dead man. Whatever you say Dexter.
 
2014-01-09 11:54:14 AM  
 "Put yourself in an officers position. Nobody likes you, nobody wants to see you in the rear view mirror"

That is exactly how the French described the occupying Germans.
 
2014-01-09 11:58:11 AM  

OnlyM3: Officers who want to whine should think about going home and suck starting their service shotgun.


No, that whole mindset is the problem.  Cause that's what the punk ass, sadistic thugs hiding behind badges think of citizens when they slam them up against a wall for a giggle.  Tear down the wall, motherf*ckers.  Tear down the wall.
 
2014-01-09 12:01:05 PM  

mjbok: dustygrimp: My nephew is a good cop.
Is his name Hooker?
//Hooker's a good cop!


No, but he saved a hooker from the streets! And he didn't even demand a blowjob from her for the favor.
 
2014-01-09 12:02:52 PM  

mainsail: Weaver95: And this is why I don't trust the cops anymore....i'm sure there are good ones out there who do the job and aren't violent sociopaths but....yeah.  still ain't trusting the cops.

There are; I know lots. But the bad ones are the visible ones, and so, there goes the reputation. Interesting that this seems to go at the same p[ace as worse and worse officers in the US military, too. http://www.npr.org/2014/01/06/259422776/army-takes-on-its-own-toxic-l e aders (trust NPR to call a Gunny Sargent in a movie an 'officer', but apart from that a good report).

What's happening, here?


They are non-commissioned officers.
 
2014-01-09 12:08:48 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: mainsail: Weaver95: And this is why I don't trust the cops anymore....i'm sure there are good ones out there who do the job and aren't violent sociopaths but....yeah.  still ain't trusting the cops.

There are; I know lots. But the bad ones are the visible ones, and so, there goes the reputation. Interesting that this seems to go at the same p[ace as worse and worse officers in the US military, too. http://www.npr.org/2014/01/06/259422776/army-takes-on-its-own-toxic-l e aders (trust NPR to call a Gunny Sargent in a movie an 'officer', but apart from that a good report).

What's happening, here?

They are non-commissioned officers.


Yes; *Enlisted*, not commissioned. The article is about -Commissioned- officers. Big difference, and the example NPR uses is a basic training NCO. and one from 40 years ago at that.
 
2014-01-09 12:11:11 PM  

OnlyM3: Fark you

OnlyM3: Wondering why everybody hates you? Your brutality might be a good hint.

OnlyM3: Oh bullshiat.

OnlyM3: You're a bunch of brutal thugs, nothing more.

OnlyM3: think about going home and suck starting their service shotgun.


I think far too much time on Fark.com has made you into an asshole.  You know, kinda like what happens to some cops that Bit'O'Gristle was saying.
 
2014-01-09 12:11:18 PM  

Fark It: Pangea: Nabb1: That's going to cost the department some money.

You mean the citizens who pay for the department out of their taxes.

Police abuse settlements should be paid for out of the police pension fund, to encourage self-"policing"

And all cops should have to pay for their own malpractice/brutality insurance, rather than the cost of their malfeasance being shouldered by taxpayers.


Paid leave doesn't make sense at all. There is plenty of desk work an officer can do. Or force them into charity work for pay. If the concern is a bad cop being on the street, just task the cop toa different form of work instead of giving him a paid vacation.
 
2014-01-09 12:16:04 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Sighs....as a retired police officer who has taken many people to jail, i can say from seeing the video that this was completely unnecessary. Kid weighed about 130 soaking wet, and from what i saw, he was, at the most, just "maybe" talking shiat. There was no need, none, with 3 huge officers that clearly could have controlled him, to slam him into the wall like that. Prisoners talk shiat, that doesn't give you the right to injure them. There was no need at all to slam him like that, the officer who hurt him should be fired, and jailed for battery, and have to pay the kid damages out of pocket. The officer who maced him should be fired, as it was 1. not needed, and 2. he thought it was funny. This kind of horrible police work shames all good officers everywhere who try to do a good job and treat people with respect. Kid should get a nice fat pay off for this one. And officer brutal should go to prison. Shame on you officers, shame on you, for your lack of control, and brutal treatment of a human being.


Thanks for that BoG. One thing I'd add to that is that it's amazing that the video suddenly gets found behind the sofa just after the two year statue of limitations elapses. Conspiracy to pervert the course of justice or whatever the legal term is for denying the existence of evidence, needs to be brought to the table.
 
2014-01-09 12:16:14 PM  
One of the commenters on the page seems to end every comment with heehaw. That ranks in my top ten internet idiots now.
 
2014-01-09 12:20:10 PM  

gaslight: Conspiracy to pervert the course of justice or whatever the legal term is for denying the existence of evidence, needs to be brought to the table.


It's called obstruction of justice and it's on the top five nebulous charges tossed at you by cops when they got nuttin' but your ass in the back seat.
 
2014-01-09 12:28:38 PM  

Fark It: OnlyM3: neongoats

Cops are civilians, just saying. They aren't some special pseudo military protected class. Any farking useless pig farker that tells you different... They absolutely are a protected class. They have dozens of protections from prosecution that Joe-6-pack would never have.

Why do you hate the unions and working class civil servants who risk their lives every day to protect you!


What do you mean "risks their lives"? Most cops I know arrest people for domestics issues or grab people for OUI. How many cops actually risk their lives ONCE during their career? Tired of this old and tired "hero" label. Way overused. Risk your life to help someone and then talk to me. (By risking your life I do not mean calling and waiting for backup.)
 
2014-01-09 12:30:37 PM  

Ghastly: ReverendJasen: Ghastly: This will protect the good cops from false accusations and prevent the bad cops from getting away with their abuse. In this day and age there is absolutely no reason this technology can not be made available and affordable.

The technology is available.  Police unions won't let it happen.  Hell, they fought tooth and nail just to keep GPS tracking out of the cars in at least one district.

Make it a federal law and they'll have no choice but to let it happen.


Nope.  The Supreme Court says the federal government cannot force state or local police to enforce federal laws, especially federal laws related to state and local government administration.  The best the feds can do is tie some kind of federal money to it.  So, for instance, they could pass a law saying states only get fancy new anti-terrorism grants if they agree to wear bodycams.  Of course, the Supreme Court's making that harder too, with their ruling on the Obamacare Medicaid expansion being the most recent example.  It's a lot harder today for the Feds to make states "an offer they can't refuse."

The only way bodycams will become a thing is a slow, state-by-state, county-by-county, town-by-town push by voters and government leaders.
 
2014-01-09 12:40:51 PM  

Mugato: mjbok: dustygrimp: My nephew is a good cop.

Is his name Hooker?

//Hooker's a good cop!


"Were you able to jump on the hood?"

"Oh yeah!"

[www.tj-hooker.com image 168x144]


Probably 3 decades later I still remember that sketch and that line.
 
2014-01-09 12:45:29 PM  

Ghastly: MmmmBacon:
It's a catch-22, though. If they aren't put on paid administrative leave while under investigation, then every BS abuse report that gets filed - and yes, there are many false abuse claims made against cops - would drive good cops out of the profession. I feel bad cops should be held to account for their abuses, absolutely, but taking away paid administrative leave during these investigations won't solve the problem. Putting the bad cops in jail when they break the law would, though.

There should be mandatory badge cameras on all cops and any video footage that is "lost" during an arrest results in the nullification of all charges.

This will protect the good cops from false accusations and prevent the bad cops from getting away with their abuse. In this day and age there is absolutely no reason this technology can not be made available and affordable. If I was a cop I'd carry my own camera just to cover my own ass. But then again, I'm not a raging psychopath either.


I am entirely for mandatory cameras on cops. Some jurisdictions are using them already, and I feel it is good for both the police and the people they encounter during their duties. I've heard that when these cameras are used, both claims of police brutality drop, and the police themselves are clearly conscious of the camera and treat people more respectfully because of that. It's a good thing for all involved.
 
2014-01-09 01:00:22 PM  

duffblue: This happened to a white boy in the pretty liberal state of New Hampshire, imagine what it's like for black kids somewhere like Bloomberg's New York.


I'm guessing you've never been to NH.
 
2014-01-09 01:00:35 PM  

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: Most cops I know arrest people for domestics issues or grab people for OUI. How many cops actually risk their lives ONCE during their career?


Your state may be different but in Illinois, the police pull drivers over for driving offenses in order to keep the streets safer.  I don't want to imagine how bad driving in Chicago would be if there were no police enforcement, it's bad enough as it is.  Anyway, when a police officer pulls me over, he/she's not risking his/her life at all.  I'm no threat, I'm a pretty decent guy.  But sometimes when police officers pull people over, the person inside might be carrying a gun and lots of drugs.  How do you know which cars have nice people like me and which cars have drug runners with guns?  You don't.  Every single time a police officer pulls a person over, that officer is risking his/her life.  This is of course, saying nothing about them risking their lives by getting out of their car on the side of the highway with cars going 70MPH a few feet away from them.

Now in your area, I know you say there are lots of domestic disputes that police show up to.  If you're an officer wandering up to knock on the door of a domestic dispute, what's inside?  Is it just two people yelling kinda loud no big deal, or does one of them have a weapon?  You don't know.  By knocking on that door and heading inside, you're taking a risk.

So to answer your question how many cops risk their lives once during their career, I would go with "every single one."
 
2014-01-09 01:09:25 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: /you have to understand. Put yourself in an officers position. Nobody likes you, nobody wants to see you in the rear view mirror, unless you called them for help.  All you see, every day, is brutality by people to one another, drunks that want to fight, drug users that abuse their kids, spouses. Murders and rapes, child molestations.  You get the picture. Add to that, that everyone is watching you, and hoping that you do something wrong so they can sue. Courts, citizens, your other officers, and the brass. All have their eyes on what you're doing, and how your doing it. After so many years of this, one tends to become hard, jaded. You have to, just to survive.  And it is possible to be a good cop through all this, but...it is difficult. We are the product of our environment, and it shapes you after so many years. Everyone lies to you, and you can't trust anyone.  Think of all that, before you say its "power" that makes cops "bad". Its not that, its what they have to go through and see every day.


And this is why I'm always polite and cooperative with cops. These guys have a dangerous, stressful job that's critical to their communities, and all day long they take shiat from people, most of whom hate cops not because they've ever personally had a bad experience, but because it was cool to hate cops when they were teenagers and they never quite grew out of it. Be nice to the cops, and most of the time, they will be nice to you, because it will make their whole day to deal with someone who's not full of shiat.

And for those of you who are never happy to see the cops, let me tell you, you're pretty damned lucky if you've never been in a situation where you were happy to see the cops. Given the choice between being hassled by a cop for no reason and really *needing* the cops, I'll take the hassle any day. I was about 12 the first time I was happy to see the cops. I was 14 the first time I had to call them myself. Think about that, and consider how farking lucky you are.

Do some cops do bad things? Yes, and even good cops have bad days where they lose their temper and cross the line. Is the system for dealing with it broken? Absolutely. It needs to be fixed so that cops like the ones in that video get the punishment they deserve, because for most people -- not just cops -- it's the fear of consequences that keeps them in line, not some innate sense of morality. I know we'd all like to believe that cops should be better than the rest of us, and in an ideal world they would be, but we don't live in that world. We live in reality, where most people are shiatbags who won't think twice about lying, cheating, stealing, or worse if they think they can get away with it.

The cops are supposed to be the ones keeping everyone else in line. We need to stop letting them get away with this shiat. But walking around with an "all cops are bad" attitude doesn't help anybody... and you're going to feel pretty stupid when the day comes that you really need them.
 
2014-01-09 01:16:00 PM  

La Maudite: The cops are supposed to be the ones keeping everyone else in line. We need to stop letting them get away with this shiat. But walking around with an "all cops are bad" attitude doesn't help anybody... and you're going to feel pretty stupid when the day comes that you really need them.


We have no ability to stop them getting away from it.  Cops are held to a lower standard regarding the law and have protections that "regular" people do not.  It should be the other way around.  If a cop breaks a public trust the consequences should be worse.  If you get into a fight at a club and punch someone, most likely nothing will end up happening.  If that someone is a cop, you have now assaulted an officer and are looking at probable jail time, despite the fact the cop was not on duty, nor in uniform.
 
2014-01-09 01:16:09 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: MindStalker: vudukungfu: Whoah
They slam his head into a wall, pick him up, throw him down, then pepper spray him?
Yeah.
I can see they will be getting a harsh punishment of paid leave and no jelly donuts.

A good explanation of the logic/legal reasoning behind paid leave http://www.reddit.com/r/ProtectAndServe/comments/1s01lr/most_common_m y th/cdslvma
Paid leave isn't the punishment, its taking them off the street while the investigation is happening. Also there is an issue of special Miranda issues dealing with police.
Read the link its eye opening.

I stopped reading right about where he started whining that Garrity takes away their fifth amendment rights.

/tiny violins all around
//switch them back to Miranda, they aren't somehow magically above the law


Oh geez, finish reading it, one statement of whine doesn't magically make the information incorrect.
 
2014-01-09 01:24:29 PM  

Weaver95: And this is why I don't trust the cops anymore....i'm sure there are good ones out there who do the job and aren't violent sociopaths but....yeah.  still ain't trusting the cops.


You and I agree on little, but we agree on this.

I enjoy shows like Adam-12 and Dragnet, and I had nothing but positive experiences with law enforcement growing up, but that was decades ago; I'll soon be having the conversation with my oldest child about the police, and how and why to avoid them if at all possible - even if you're 100% legally, ethically, and morally right in what you're doing.
 
2014-01-09 01:27:10 PM  

ReverendJasen: vudukungfu: They slam his head into a wall, pick him up, throw him down, then pepper spray him?
Yeah.

Then stand there smiling, all proud of themselves, while laughing at him.
Scumbags.


I noticed that too.. mother farkers.. If I was on a jury and saw those shiat eating grins I would totally call that some foul play.
 
2014-01-09 01:27:51 PM  

La Maudite: The cops are supposed to be the ones keeping everyone else in line. We need to stop letting them get away with this shiat. But walking around with an "all cops are bad" attitude doesn't help anybody... and you're going to feel pretty stupid when the day comes that you really need them.


That day came for me. I called 911 to report domestic violence. The cops arrived, heard both sides, saw my injuries, had her confession to starting everything and causing said injuries, and they reacted promptly and professionally by arresting me. So thanks, but I'll weight my experience over your appeal to emotion, and especially over this bit of drivel:

La Maudite: Given the choice between being hassled by a cop for no reason and really *needing* the cops, I'll take the hassle any day.


WTF are you, 10? There's no excuse for hassling, period.
 
2014-01-09 01:31:01 PM  
Video. It`s the only weapon against them that will work. Any *actual* weapons just let the lawmakers make laws to let them combat whatever you will come up with.

Video on the other hand is everywhere. It sees everything. It`s hard to ban. Judges believe it over the word of a cop and it is a rare thing for that.

The instant you encounter the police start recording video. It may save your life.

It`s terrible but true. The only way they will stop this crap is by being caught doing this crap and not getting away with it.

The reputation of the force suffers every time one of them gets away with something like this.
 
2014-01-09 01:37:05 PM  
Those who give up rights for protection deserve neither.
 
2014-01-09 01:41:20 PM  

dready zim: Video. It`s the only weapon against them that will work. Any *actual* weapons just let the lawmakers make laws to let them combat whatever you will come up with.

Video on the other hand is everywhere. It sees everything. It`s hard to ban. Judges believe it over the word of a cop and it is a rare thing for that.

The instant you encounter the police start recording video. It may save your life.

It`s terrible but true. The only way they will stop this crap is by being caught doing this crap and not getting away with it.

The reputation of the force suffers every time one of them gets away with something like this.


Every single bit of interaction with cops should be recorded, from initial conversation to any conversations  to interrogations.  If any of that footage is missing all charges should be dropped.  I had a brother that was in county lock-up that got assaulted by guards on camera.  Oddly enough they were unable tor retrieve any of the footage during the time that it occurred even though he ended up in the hospital.  They were going to transfer him from the hospital back to the lock-up until he lawyered up and magically all of the charges against him were dropped.
 
2014-01-09 01:46:24 PM  

Mikey1969: Wow... While slamming  him into the wall is bad, THIS part is bullshiat, too:

In the report, Dietenhofer said that Richardson "gained control of Bergeron," saying the teen was later pepper sprayed because he refused to stand up.

Really? "Because he didn't stand up?" Fark you assholes. And for the people here who are police, and who know police, it's people like this who drag that image through the mud. And it's not like this is an isolated incident, who the fark is supporting these pricks? The unions need to do some DEEP soul searching, and start setting up a code of conduct defining who they will and who they won't fight to protect.


the unions are there to make sure their due paying members continue to pay.
 
2014-01-09 01:48:23 PM  

lennavan: Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: Most cops I know arrest people for domestics issues or grab people for OUI. How many cops actually risk their lives ONCE during their career?

Your state may be different but in Illinois, the police pull drivers over for driving offenses in order to keep the streets safer.  I don't want to imagine how bad driving in Chicago would be if there were no police enforcement, it's bad enough as it is.  Anyway, when a police officer pulls me over, he/she's not risking his/her life at all.  I'm no threat, I'm a pretty decent guy.  But sometimes when police officers pull people over, the person inside might be carrying a gun and lots of drugs.  How do you know which cars have nice people like me and which cars have drug runners with guns?  You don't.  Every single time a police officer pulls a person over, that officer is risking his/her life.  This is of course, saying nothing about them risking their lives by getting out of their car on the side of the highway with cars going 70MPH a few feet away from them.

Now in your area, I know you say there are lots of domestic disputes that police show up to.  If you're an officer wandering up to knock on the door of a domestic dispute, what's inside?  Is it just two people yelling kinda loud no big deal, or does one of them have a weapon?  You don't know.  By knocking on that door and heading inside, you're taking a risk.

So to answer your question how many cops risk their lives once during their career, I would go with "every single one."


Not true. Every time a cop pull someone over they are NOT risking their life. If the person in the car is a dangerous felon with a gun then maybe they are, but otherwise when they pull over John Q Citizen for rolling through a red light, then they most certainly are not risking their life. I have heard of cops who have not even fired a shot after being a cop 20+ years. Same with firefighters....if you run in to a burning building to save a child, then you have risked your life and you are a hero. If you go to a fire and stand at the curb with the other firefighters while someone directs a hose in to a flame, then you are not risking your life and you are not a hero.
I remember here in Boston that all the cops were HERO's after the marathon bombing. Reality is that they locked down a whole town, a campus cop was killed by the suspects, one brother ran over the other and a private citizen found the other brother in his boat in the backyard. Yeah....real heroes.
 
2014-01-09 01:53:30 PM  
Cops are criminals hiding behind a badge. Hey cop, kill yourself.
 
2014-01-09 01:55:00 PM  

Carousel Beast: La Maudite: The cops are supposed to be the ones keeping everyone else in line. We need to stop letting them get away with this shiat. But walking around with an "all cops are bad" attitude doesn't help anybody... and you're going to feel pretty stupid when the day comes that you really need them.

That day came for me. I called 911 to report domestic violence. The cops arrived, heard both sides, saw my injuries, had her confession to starting everything and causing said injuries, and they reacted promptly and professionally by arresting me.


When I was 12, my mother went into a drunken rage and started beating me with a large stick. My dad, also drunk (they were pretty much always drunk) tried to stop her, and she pulled off one of her high heels and started beating him in the head with it, tearing a large gash in his scalp. The sight of the blood pouring down his face freaked her out and she ran upstairs and locked herself in their bedroom. He called 911. They sent police and paramedics, and while the paramedics got the bleeding under control, the cops interviewed both my parents.

My mother claimed my dad fell in the bathroom and hit his head on the toilet. My dad didn't want to say anything at all, but I handed them the bloody shoe and told them what happened. I'm pretty sure they believed me, because my little brother and I got to ride in the ambulance with our dad rather than being left home with our mother. Nobody got arrested. My dad declined to file charges, but they contacted social services and we were all required to go to family counseling for three months. Not that it did any good, because my mother is a consummate liar and my dad loved her too much to say a word against her. The whole time I was growing up he never once did anything to hurt her. One night I remember her throwing an entire set of dishes at him one at a time. He just folded his arms, stood there, and took it.

Since I wasn't there when you called the cops, I don't know what happened or what either of you said to them or how either of you behaved. I do know that 35 years ago, domestic abuse of men by women was something that wasn't even talked about, but the cops who responded obviously saw what was going on at my house and handled it the right way. I'm sorry they didn't handle your situation as well. Unfortunately, most people still don't really take female-on-male violence seriously. I hope you ended that relationship, because that shiat is never acceptable under any circumstances, period.

So thanks, but I'll weight my experience over your appeal to emotion, and especially over this bit of drivel:

La Maudite: Given the choice between being hassled by a cop for no reason and really *needing* the cops, I'll take the hassle any day.

WTF are you, 10? There's no excuse for hassling, period.


I didn't say there was an excuse for it. I said that given the choice between *needing* the cops and being hassled by them, I'd prefer the hassle. Obviously the cops shouldn't be hassling people for no reason, but any situation where you really need the cops is a hell of a lot shiattier.
 
2014-01-09 02:00:31 PM  
Meh, I say slam everyone who dresses like that into walls.

It's very easy to live a life free of involvement with law enforcement.
 
2014-01-09 02:07:32 PM  
Very disappointing. I had a huge positive experience with the Seabrook police department years ago.
 
2014-01-09 02:11:25 PM  

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: Every time a cop pull someone over they are NOT risking their life. If the person in the car is a dangerous felon with a gun then maybe they are, but otherwise when they pull over John Q Citizen for rolling through a red light, then they most certainly are not risking their life.


Agreed.  I'm a cop and I just pulled someone over.  I'm posting from my iPhone.  Is the guy in front of me a felon with a gun who just stole a car and it hasn't been reported yet, or is it John Q Citizen.  I need to know ASAP, thanks.

Oh wait, you don't know?  You have no farking clue and the only way I will know is AFTER I get out of the car and start talking with them?  Well then you realize I'm taking a risk by walking up to that car, right?

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: I remember here in Boston that all the cops were HERO's after the marathon bombing. Reality is that they locked down a whole town, a campus cop was killed by the suspects, one brother ran over the other and a private citizen found the other brother in his boat in the backyard. Yeah....real heroes.


Hey, I just got a call on my police radio.  Two guys just shot and killed a cop, bombed major public area killing 3 people and injuring hundreds more.  They stole a car, some other cops chased them and they all got into a big gunfight, the kind like you see in the movies and shiat.  The guys were actually throwing "crude grenades" and another bomb at those cops.  During that, one of the guys was shot and killed but the other one hopped back into the SUV and drove away, actually running over the other guy's body.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure the second guy is in that house right there.  I'd go knock on the door but it's no big deal, I mean clearly you wouldn't be risking your life by doing it so I'm hoping you'll do it for me while I get to the more dangerous stuff.

Thanks.
 
2014-01-09 02:30:25 PM  

Ghastly: MmmmBacon:
It's a catch-22, though. If they aren't put on paid administrative leave while under investigation, then every BS abuse report that gets filed - and yes, there are many false abuse claims made against cops - would drive good cops out of the profession. I feel bad cops should be held to account for their abuses, absolutely, but taking away paid administrative leave during these investigations won't solve the problem. Putting the bad cops in jail when they break the law would, though.

There should be mandatory badge cameras on all cops and any video footage that is "lost" during an arrest results in the nullification of all charges.

This will protect the good cops from false accusations and prevent the bad cops from getting away with their abuse. In this day and age there is absolutely no reason this technology can not be made available and affordable. If I was a cop I'd carry my own camera just to cover my own ass. But then again, I'm not a raging psychopath either.


THIS. Make cop cameras mandatory already.
 
2014-01-09 02:41:47 PM  

La Maudite: my mother


Sounds like my ex.
I finally got out.
She's a bag lady now.
I see her pushing her cart with her crack babbys behind her.

I hope you have found peace and wellness.
 
2014-01-09 02:50:30 PM  

notatrollorami: I know this is supposed to be a cop hate thread and all, and maybe I'm alone in this and cynical, but based on the comments I read I was underwhelmed by the video. There's plenty of serious police brutality out there; I'm just not sure this rises to the level I'm going to go apeshiat about.



The only time i would back a zero tolerance policy would be about police abuses, they have way too much power over the average citizen to not be held up to a higher standard.

/cops should be paladins
 
2014-01-09 02:52:14 PM  
But who will host AFV now?
 
2014-01-09 03:04:23 PM  

lennavan: Anyway, I'm pretty sure the second guy is in that house right there. I'd go knock on the door but it's no big deal, I mean clearly you wouldn't be risking your life by doing it so I'm hoping you'll do it for me while I get to the more dangerous stuff.


I'm a race car driver.  Every day that I'm at the track (either for a race, qualifying, practice, whatever) As I'm going into the high bank curve several thoughts enter my mind.  Are my tires good, is there something on the track that might be problematic, is this other driver going to put me into the wall?  I am putting my life on the line every day when I go to work, and I do it for you, the public, for all the thanks I get.

You picked the job, knowing what it entailed.  You made a choice, the public shouldn't be punished for it.

//not a race car driver.
 
2014-01-09 03:20:20 PM  

lennavan: Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: Every time a cop pull someone over they are NOT risking their life. If the person in the car is a dangerous felon with a gun then maybe they are, but otherwise when they pull over John Q Citizen for rolling through a red light, then they most certainly are not risking their life.

Agreed.  I'm a cop and I just pulled someone over.  I'm posting from my iPhone.  Is the guy in front of me a felon with a gun who just stole a car and it hasn't been reported yet, or is it John Q Citizen.  I need to know ASAP, thanks.

Oh wait, you don't know?  You have no farking clue and the only way I will know is AFTER I get out of the car and start talking with them?  Well then you realize I'm taking a risk by walking up to that car, right?

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: I remember here in Boston that all the cops were HERO's after the marathon bombing. Reality is that they locked down a whole town, a campus cop was killed by the suspects, one brother ran over the other and a private citizen found the other brother in his boat in the backyard. Yeah....real heroes.

Hey, I just got a call on my police radio.  Two guys just shot and killed a cop, bombed major public area killing 3 people and injuring hundreds more.  They stole a car, some other cops chased them and they all got into a big gunfight, the kind like you see in the movies and shiat.  The guys were actually throwing "crude grenades" and another bomb at those cops.  During that, one of the guys was shot and killed but the other one hopped back into the SUV and drove away, actually running over the other guy's body.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure the second guy is in that house right there.  I'd go knock on the door but it's no big deal, I mean clearly you wouldn't be risking your life by doing it so I'm hoping you'll do it for me while I get to the more dangerous stuff.

Thanks.


By your definition every retail worker isa hero as well . How do they know their customers are not armed sociopaths?
 
2014-01-09 03:23:26 PM  

MyRandomName: lennavan: Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: Every time a cop pull someone over they are NOT risking their life. If the person in the car is a dangerous felon with a gun then maybe they are, but otherwise when they pull over John Q Citizen for rolling through a red light, then they most certainly are not risking their life.

Agreed.  I'm a cop and I just pulled someone over.  I'm posting from my iPhone.  Is the guy in front of me a felon with a gun who just stole a car and it hasn't been reported yet, or is it John Q Citizen.  I need to know ASAP, thanks.

Oh wait, you don't know?  You have no farking clue and the only way I will know is AFTER I get out of the car and start talking with them?  Well then you realize I'm taking a risk by walking up to that car, right?

Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: I remember here in Boston that all the cops were HERO's after the marathon bombing. Reality is that they locked down a whole town, a campus cop was killed by the suspects, one brother ran over the other and a private citizen found the other brother in his boat in the backyard. Yeah....real heroes.

Hey, I just got a call on my police radio.  Two guys just shot and killed a cop, bombed major public area killing 3 people and injuring hundreds more.  They stole a car, some other cops chased them and they all got into a big gunfight, the kind like you see in the movies and shiat.  The guys were actually throwing "crude grenades" and another bomb at those cops.  During that, one of the guys was shot and killed but the other one hopped back into the SUV and drove away, actually running over the other guy's body.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure the second guy is in that house right there.  I'd go knock on the door but it's no big deal, I mean clearly you wouldn't be risking your life by doing it so I'm hoping you'll do it for me while I get to the more dangerous stuff.

Thanks.

By your definition every retail worker isa hero as well . How do they know their customers are not armed sociopaths?


Hell, by that definition, I'm a hero just for driving to work every day.  How do I know that I'm not going to be run off the road by some idiot?
 
2014-01-09 03:30:49 PM  
...pull your pants up, and you won't slip into those walls.
 
2014-01-09 03:38:02 PM  

mjbok: lennavan: Anyway, I'm pretty sure the second guy is in that house right there. I'd go knock on the door but it's no big deal, I mean clearly you wouldn't be risking your life by doing it so I'm hoping you'll do it for me while I get to the more dangerous stuff.

I'm a race car driver.  Every day that I'm at the track (either for a race, qualifying, practice, whatever) As I'm going into the high bank curve several thoughts enter my mind.  Are my tires good, is there something on the track that might be problematic, is this other driver going to put me into the wall?  I am putting my life on the line every day when I go to work, and I do it for you, the public, for all the thanks I get.

You picked the job, knowing what it entailed.  You made a choice, the public shouldn't be punished for it.

//not a race car driver.



Uh, wait, what?  The post I was responding to said hardly any police officers ever risk their lives while on the job.  It seems you agree.  So, uhh... WTF was the rest of this about?
 
2014-01-09 03:39:35 PM  

lennavan: mjbok: lennavan: Anyway, I'm pretty sure the second guy is in that house right there. I'd go knock on the door but it's no big deal, I mean clearly you wouldn't be risking your life by doing it so I'm hoping you'll do it for me while I get to the more dangerous stuff.

I'm a race car driver.  Every day that I'm at the track (either for a race, qualifying, practice, whatever) As I'm going into the high bank curve several thoughts enter my mind.  Are my tires good, is there something on the track that might be problematic, is this other driver going to put me into the wall?  I am putting my life on the line every day when I go to work, and I do it for you, the public, for all the thanks I get.

You picked the job, knowing what it entailed.  You made a choice, the public shouldn't be punished for it.

//not a race car driver.

Uh, wait, what?  The post I was responding to said hardly any police officers ever risk their lives while on the job.  I disagreed and gave examples of how yes, they do actually risk their lives.It seems you agree.  So, uhh... WTF was the rest of this about?


I added the bolded bit to clarify things.
 
2014-01-09 03:41:24 PM  

MyRandomName: By your definition every retail worker isa hero as well . How do they know their customers are not armed sociopaths?


I didn't actually argue they are heroes, I only argued that they are risking their lives.  See for instance the beginning of the conversation:

lennavan: Rex Kramer - Danger Seeker: Most cops I know arrest people for domestics issues or grab people for OUI. How many cops actually risk their lives ONCE during their career?

...

So to answer your question how many cops risk their lives once during their career, I would go with "every single one."

 
2014-01-09 03:47:02 PM  

lennavan: WTF was the rest of this about?


Putting your life on the line in a job (or just being out in public) is not a unique thing to cops and should garner them not one iota of consideration when they abuse their power.  The fact that they do (though it, like my example, is exaggerated) put their lives out there should not be a surprise to them as it is a known thing when you take that job.  You can't take a job swimming with sharks and then say you deserve extra consideration because you deal with sharks, that's the job you signed up for.

When I was a kid I looked up to cops.  As I got older I was more leery because maybe I did a thing or two I shouldn't and cops could have caused problems for me.  As I got into adulthood I've seen way too many real world examples of the abuse of authority with little to no consequences or punishments if they are actually found to be doing these things.  I've told my children do not trust cops, ever, unless it is a cop you know personally.  Never talk to a cop without a lawyer present.  I've told them cops are not your friends, and by and large it's a statement I stand behind.
 
2014-01-09 03:51:52 PM  

mjbok: Putting your life on the line in a job (or just being out in public) is not a unique thing to cops


Where the fark did you get the idea that I was saying it is unique to cops?

mjbok: consideration when they abuse their power


Who the fark is talking about when they abuse their power?

Look, I don't mind you jumping in one of my conversations.  It's a public forum, I do it all the time.  But for farks sake, you can't just imagine what I was saying and then attack me for it.  Well, apparently you can but man you're a jackass for doing it.

No one is forcing you to be a jackass, so why are you choosing to be one?
 
2014-01-09 04:02:53 PM  

lennavan: Oh wait, you don't know? You have no farking clue and the only way I will know is AFTER I get out of the car and start talking with them? Well then you realize I'm taking a risk by walking up to that car, right?


It's the same risk we all take every single time we leave our homes to go anywhere. You don't want risk, stay the fark home.
 
2014-01-09 04:03:22 PM  

lennavan: Look, I don't mind you jumping in one of my conversations. It's a public forum, I do it all the time. But for farks sake, you can't just imagine what I was saying and then attack me for it. Well, apparently you can but man you're a jackass for doing it.


Perhaps I am combining statements from two different posters together, and if that is the case I apologize.  It was said in this thread that one of the reasons cops are the way they are is because they are viewed as threats, enemies, bad people, etc. and it jades them along with the fact that they put their lives on the line.  I may have joined that statement with yours about risking their lives together, because at some point in this thread it was offered up as an excuse.

As I said, if that part wasn't from you, I apologize, but the fact is that many people put their lives on the line for work.  Delivery drivers, taxi drivers, cops, firemen, drug dealers, Kayne, soldiers, doctors, security guards, cashiers, candle stick makers, etc.  The fact that they do doesn't make them special or give them the latitude that they often take.
 
2014-01-09 04:06:10 PM  

mjbok: As I said, if that part wasn't from you, I apologize, but the fact is that many people put their lives on the line for work. Delivery drivers, taxi drivers, cops, firemen, drug dealers, Kayne, soldiers, doctors, security guards, cashiers, candle stick makers,

Omarion, etc. The fact that they do doesn't make them special or give them the latitude that they often take.

Except for Omarion. He's special. Pray for him.
 
2014-01-09 04:11:28 PM  

MooseUpNorth: Except for Omarion. He's special. Pray for him


I knew I forgot one.  And it was an obvious one, too.
 
2014-01-09 04:14:32 PM  

mjbok: It was said in this thread that one of the reasons cops are the way they are is because they are viewed as threats, enemies, bad people, etc. and it jades them along with the fact that they put their lives on the line.


That wasn't me, that was Bit'O'Gristle.

mjbok: because at some point in this thread it was offered up as an excuse.


He didn't offer it as an excuse, he offered it as an explanation.

mjbok: but the fact is that many people put their lives on the line for work.


That is true.  The post I responded to was talking about the Boston Marathon Bombing.  That was the context.

mjbok: Delivery drivers, taxi drivers


You'll pardon me if I think the cops chasing down the Boston Marathon Bombers who had already murdered a cop and detonated a few bombs was slightly more dangerous than being a delivery driver.

mjbok: The fact that they do doesn't make them special or give them the latitude that they often take.


Yeah, that's not what anyone in this thread was saying.
 
2014-01-09 04:19:43 PM  

lennavan: He didn't offer it as an excuse, he offered it as an explanation.


Explanation as to why, excuse...I see it as the same thing.

lennavan: You'll pardon me if I think the cops chasing down the Boston Marathon Bombers who had already murdered a cop and detonated a few bombs was slightly more dangerous than being a delivery driver.


What happened in neighborhoods as the cops were trying to find the bombers doesn't help.  You saw the cops break the law regarding force and due process while trying to do their job.
 
2014-01-09 04:20:34 PM  

lennavan: You'll pardon me if I think the cops chasing down the Boston Marathon Bombers who had already murdered a cop and detonated a few bombs was slightly more dangerous than being a delivery driver.


They both pale beside working in an industrial meat cutting plant.  That profession is usually wrestling for the top position on "dangerous jobs" stats with Loggers and commercial fisherman in terms of serious injuries per hours worked.

/grist
 
2014-01-09 04:44:35 PM  

xanadian: OnlyM3: neongoats

Cops are civilians, just saying. They aren't some special pseudo military protected class. Any farking useless pig farker that tells you different... They absolutely are a protected class. They have dozens of protections from prosecution that Joe-6-pack would never have.

They also have other special laws and protections that pertain to them.  You can beat up your neighbor for blaring loud music at 2 AM (for example) and get maybe a few months in jail...probably just probation and a fine or something.   You beat up a COP for doing the same thing and you're royally screwed.

Lord-Fark-Wad: They would probably sit in jail while prosecutors can trump up the charges to make sure that what ever plea is reached it greater punishment than if the offender simply went to trial.

Up here, if you don't accept a plea deal and try to take it to trial, they put the screws to you and try to find other charges to hit you with.

A justice system we do not have.  It's barely even a legal system.  It's a freakin' business model.  I wonder if Maine has any for-profit prisons in it...

/I believe the prisoners in Warren make furniture for sale...


Here in WI, they refurbish wheelchairs, and make 32$ a pair of gloves... and get paid .23$/hour.
Oh, you're a victim and want compensation for all of your costs during the trial? Yeah, you get .10$/hour that he works while serving his sentence. A year after the fact.

/R.I.P. Grandpa Jim. At least they got the one dude for you.
//Good cops exist, as do competent CSI people.
///Prosecuting DA's on the other hand....
 
2014-01-09 04:48:08 PM  

darlid01: My annoying one with police happened in Minneapolis. My brother's laptop was stolen, but I had set his laptop so I could remote into it so I could fix it when he broke it. The thief put it on the network and even used my brother's facebook account to taunt him. While he was doing that, I was installing a tracking program on the laptop so it would e-mail me everytime it went online. I then provided the cops with the ISP, MAC and IP of the router and video evidence of the laptop still being used. http://youtu.be/RabAgU35n50?t=47s">http://youtu.be/RabAgU35n50?t=47s  I went online over and over and over to find the laptop online and being used. So I logged onto it and tried to find the name of the person using it. They were using Facebook. I found several usernames this way. The laptop profile was renamed Preston and one of the facebook logins was Preston Taylor. I looked him up and got a picture. Again, I shared all this with the police. Nothing happened. I started calling the police department daily and he stopped answering my calls and responding to my e-mails. I got one e-mail saying he had better things to do than track down a laptop. Finally, I got a friend from the city council involved. She called in some friends at the police department (This was shortly before the election) and I finally started to get calls back. They finally issued a subpoena and got an address. Then they sat on it again until I raised a ruckus on Facebook explaining what I had done so far. Finally, they went out and got the laptop. Now it's three months since it was stolen and I know the cops have the laptop. Of course, now I get an e-mail saying that they aren't going to prosecute because it's not a felony.

Yeah, the cops are just awesome...

Did he get the laptop back?
 
2014-01-09 05:07:16 PM  

honk: darlid01: Of course, now I get an e-mail saying that they aren't going to prosecute because it's not a felony.

Odd.  Speeding tickets aren't felonies either, but they seem willing to prosecute those.

Is there no sort of malfeasance for district attorneys who won't prosecute lawbreakers?


No. Our Outagamie County DA wouldn't prosecute my grandfather's murder for 3 years (Crime took place in 2007, trial started in 2011, the suspect was walking free for three years in the meantime).

Then my mom emailed some representatives for state congress, and voila! Started the trial proceedings with a DA from Madison.

James Park in New London.

/He lived in Los Angeles for 20 years, Washington D.C. for 50, Milwaukee for 3 years, and New London for less than one. Prior to his murder, he was robbed once, despite living in major cities with high crime rates. //You can't explain that.
 
2014-01-09 05:11:07 PM  

mjbok: Explanation as to why, excuse...I see it as the same thing.


An excuse is an attempt to help you understand why something is okay.  An explanation is simply an attempt to help you understand, it makes no argument for good/bad.  He only wants you to understand, not agree that it's also okay.

mjbok: What happened in neighborhoods as the cops were trying to find the bombers doesn't help. You saw the cops break the law regarding force and due process while trying to do their job.


So the cops were heroes for chasing the two bombers at significantly increased risk of harm or death and then later there were jackasses who listened to their superiors in their overzealous use of force and ignoring due process.  I'm okay with that.
 
2014-01-09 05:15:07 PM  

fireclown: TripSixes: Pigs are friendly creatures much like dogs.

[th07.deviantart.net image 850x850]

disagrees.


If you have enough dogs, and treat them badly enough, they could do the same thing.
Puppy mills have a whole new way to horrify you, don't they?
 
2014-01-09 05:29:51 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: MindStalker: vudukungfu: Whoah
They slam his head into a wall, pick him up, throw him down, then pepper spray him?
Yeah.
I can see they will be getting a harsh punishment of paid leave and no jelly donuts.

A good explanation of the logic/legal reasoning behind paid leave http://www.reddit.com/r/ProtectAndServe/comments/1s01lr/most_common_m y th/cdslvma
Paid leave isn't the punishment, its taking them off the street while the investigation is happening. Also there is an issue of special Miranda issues dealing with police.
Read the link its eye opening.

I stopped reading right about where he started whining that Garrity takes away their fifth amendment rights.

/tiny violins all around
//switch them back to Miranda, they aren't somehow magically above the law


Garrity makes them beneath the law. Frankly, I think it should be Garrity all around. You want your 5th amendment rights? Don't take a paycheck from the gov't.
 
2014-01-09 05:49:24 PM  

tlars699: Garrity makes them beneath the law. Frankly, I think it should be Garrity all around. You want your 5th amendment rights? Don't take a paycheck from the gov't.


It generally works the other way around.

Worried your Officer might be prosecuted for something?  Compel his testimony at an administrative hearing, and Garrity gives him criminal immunity.
 
2014-01-09 08:49:49 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: vudukungfu: Whoah
They slam his head into a wall, pick him up, throw him down, then pepper spray him?
Yeah.
I can see they will be getting a harsh punishment of paid leave and no jelly donuts.


You can tell how worried they are about that by the way they grin directly into the camera.


img.fark.net

img.fark.net

Right here. It's a subtle change, more noticeable when watching the actual video, but this is when he looks up and sees the camera and his attitude goes from smug > oh shiat > oh well.

I am the furthest thing from an aggressive, physical individual, but I would love to put boots to that ahole's face. Hopefully while he is grinning like that.

/grinder boots
//10 hole, steel toe
///still have enough sole on them to leave a print...
 
2014-01-09 09:39:17 PM  

Weaver95: ReverendJasen: vudukungfu: They slam his head into a wall, pick him up, throw him down, then pepper spray him?
Yeah.

Then stand there smiling, all proud of themselves, while laughing at him.
Scumbags.

And if you were to ask them about it, I'll bet they felt they did nothing wrong.


Nope.

Look, I'm as pro-cop as anybody you will find here; but I've said it till I'm tired, there are all kinds of REASONS why cops act this way, but not one of them counts as an EXCUSE; anymore than the REASONS for combat atrocities should be considered EXCUSES. What they should be is means for change, immediate and far-reaching.

And yet inevitably these debates devolve into "Oh you're just a bootlicking cop-fellator," and then there's no point in discussing it any further. There are both personal and institutional reasons why those cops did what they did; there are institutional and due process reasons why they got paid leave while it's being investigated; but if people want to dismiss all those reasons and start shrieking about how anyone who wants to change those reasons after serious discussion is just a pig-lover (in the same tone that people used to use the phrase n*gger-lover), then go right ahead and ensure that nothing will ever change.
 
2014-01-09 09:53:20 PM  
Move along citizen, the police are here to protect I SUPPORT THE TROOPS!!!!
 
2014-01-09 11:16:04 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Weaver95: ReverendJasen: vudukungfu: They slam his head into a wall, pick him up, throw him down, then pepper spray him?
Yeah.

Then stand there smiling, all proud of themselves, while laughing at him.
Scumbags.

And if you were to ask them about it, I'll bet they felt they did nothing wrong.

Nope.

Look, I'm as pro-cop as anybody you will find here; but I've said it till I'm tired, there are all kinds of REASONS why cops act this way, but not one of them counts as an EXCUSE; anymore than the REASONS for combat atrocities should be considered EXCUSES. What they should be is means for change, immediate and far-reaching.

And yet inevitably these debates devolve into "Oh you're just a bootlicking cop-fellator," and then there's no point in discussing it any further. There are both personal and institutional reasons why those cops did what they did; there are institutional and due process reasons why they got paid leave while it's being investigated; but if people want to dismiss all those reasons and start shrieking about how anyone who wants to change those reasons after serious discussion is just a pig-lover (in the same tone that people used to use the phrase n*gger-lover), then go right ahead and ensure that nothing will ever change.



There are reasons that everyone does what they do.  Violent scumbags laughing about their victimization of another person are no less what they are just because there are reasons that they are what they are.

If you have solutions to the diseased institutional culture and recruitment, training, disciplinary and other practices that contribute to abusive and criminal cops, that's great, if thoseconcerns aren't used to distract from or discount the culpability ofindividual officers.
 
2014-01-09 11:21:06 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Mikey1969: Wow... While slamming  him into the wall is bad, THIS part is bullshiat, too:

In the report, Dietenhofer said that Richardson "gained control of Bergeron," saying the teen was later pepper sprayed because he refused to stand up.

Really? "Because he didn't stand up?" Fark you assholes. And for the people here who are police, and who know police, it's people like this who drag that image through the mud. And it's not like this is an isolated incident, who the fark is supporting these pricks? The unions need to do some DEEP soul searching, and start setting up a code of conduct defining who they will and who they won't fight to protect.

/funny you mention that. I always told officers i worked with, or from nearby police departments, that if i was with them on a call, and they farked up a suspect with no valid cause, there is no way, none, that i would lie for them. I would tell anyone who asked that you farked him up for no reason, other than that you were pissed. I never beat a suspect who didn't fight, even if he was a scumbag who needed a good ass kicking.  And if i saw an officer do that to someone without cause, yes, i would report them. In writing. I wanted no part of slapping a suspect around with no legal justification.  THAT..is not our job. No, i wasn't popular, and thats fine. At the end of the day, i could look in the mirror and know i treated people with respect, even if they didn't do the same to me.


I believe you are for real, also I would like to clone you like fet to create an army of decent officers to serve and protect us.
 
2014-01-09 11:51:22 PM  
clone you like Jango Fett
/my bad
 
2014-01-10 12:18:29 AM  
"All three are now on PAID administrative leave..."

Doughnut break all spring. AWWWW yeah.

MindStalker: Paid leave isn't the punishment, its taking them off the street while the investigation is happening.


Are your referring to the "investigation" by their own department and municipality - who can only lose by any other conclusion - that inevitably will conclude these officers, like 100.000% of their colleagues and predecessors (just like 100.000% of LEOs nationwide), represent the finest in law enforcement ideals and must be retained in their holy gummint and union protected sinecures forever or the commies win?

That "investigation"?
 
2014-01-10 08:53:08 AM  
Cops are weak coward sissies.  Every last one of them.  The ones that don't beat, taze, and plant dope on innocent old ladies.. will stick up for the ones that do.
If you value your freedom.. NEVER say anything to a pig.  You never know when one has had a bad day and decides to take it out on you.
 
2014-01-10 09:34:18 AM  
i.imgur.com
                                             "Tee hee".
 
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