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2014-01-09 12:03:29 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: doubled99: This frickin' guy basically got a 5 minute feature with Trent Dilfer on ESPN promoting him to the rest of the NFL.

How come I never hear updates on Brady Quinn's career?

Why isn't anyone talking about Colt McCoy?


He escaped the factory of sadness, is now making bank holding a clip board and has a decent shot at getting some super bowl bling to go w/ it
 
2014-01-09 12:15:41 PM

LucklessWonder: fickenchucker: Why isn't this goof not considering the feel-good redemption story and an extended career by just switching to halfback or fullback?  It would pay better than some lame college commentator job.  Endorsements and a "when life throws down roadblocks, just go around them" motivational-speaking cycle would add a ton of extra dough.

/He's not a good QB--I could throw ducks like him.

Because despite his professed Christianity, he hasn't got over the sin of Pride and his ego demands he play QB


Thank you, and stolen!
 
rka
2014-01-09 12:17:52 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: And I'll go one step furter - if it wasn't for Tebow, Denver would not be where they are today.


You can pretty much say that about anyone though can't you?

If it wasn't for Jake Plummer, Denver would not be where they are today.

If Plummer hadn't have scared Mike Shanahan so bad in the 2005 AFC Championship game, he wouldn't have reached for Jay Cutler in the next draft. If Plummer would have played a bit better right before the bye week the next year, he wouldn't have gotten benched. Without Cutler, Pat Bowlen wouldn't have thought that it was just a coaching issue in 2008 (ie...they had the talent) and wouldn't have fired Shanahan. Without firing Shanahan, McDaniels wouldn't have been coach. Without McDaniels as coach, Cutler would have stayed and Orton wouldn't have been traded for in the first place AND Tim Tebow wouldn't have been drafted....TADA!
 
2014-01-09 12:20:50 PM
The Flexecutioner: /try a Hail Satan this time

Did you say.........SATAN?

25.media.tumblr.com

/Don't feel like Satan
//But I am to them
///So I try to forget it
////Any way I can
 
2014-01-09 12:30:16 PM

rka: AdmirableSnackbar: And I'll go one step furter - if it wasn't for Tebow, Denver would not be where they are today.

You can pretty much say that about anyone though can't you?

If it wasn't for Jake Plummer, Denver would not be where they are today.

If Plummer hadn't have scared Mike Shanahan so bad in the 2005 AFC Championship game, he wouldn't have reached for Jay Cutler in the next draft. If Plummer would have played a bit better right before the bye week the next year, he wouldn't have gotten benched. Without Cutler, Pat Bowlen wouldn't have thought that it was just a coaching issue in 2008 (ie...they had the talent) and wouldn't have fired Shanahan. Without firing Shanahan, McDaniels wouldn't have been coach. Without McDaniels as coach, Cutler would have stayed and Orton wouldn't have been traded for in the first place AND Tim Tebow wouldn't have been drafted....TADA!


It's much easier to make a contending team a non-contending team than it is to make a non-contending team into a Super Bowl favorite.  I get that you're trying to discount the positive impact Tebow had on the franchise but you did a really poor job of it.
 
2014-01-09 12:30:35 PM

rka: If it wasn't for Jake Plummer, Denver would not be where they are today.


Without 'roid freak David Boston helping Joe goddamn Germaine win the Rose Bowl in '97, Plummer wins a national title for ASU, maybe gets drafted by a competent team instead of the cheapskate Cardinals (before they started giving a sh*t about the product on the field), and probably never ends up in Denver.

/if Ryan Clark doesn't have a sickle cell trait, maybe he can play in Denver and Tebow never wins a playoff game
 
2014-01-09 12:33:19 PM
If you want to get into the really intricate hypothetical details - if Seattle doesn't lose in Week 17 to Arizona two years ago, they're a few spots lower in the draft order - they can't trade down and get the same deal; they never get Jeremy Lane, they don't have as deep a secondary, maybe they lose another game or two each year (he's been a special teams force since coming into the league), they miss the playoffs last year and don't get the 1 seed this year.
 
2014-01-09 12:35:25 PM
He doesnt really know how to play football.
 
2014-01-09 12:41:36 PM
If he "wants it" so bad, why isn't he playing QB in Russia?  Or even the CFL (though I'm not sure where he'd sit in the Alouette's depth chart... maybe 3rd?)?  Having Trent Dilfer talk you up isn't nearly as convincing as dominating in a lesser football league.
 
2014-01-09 12:42:35 PM

rka: AdmirableSnackbar: And I'll go one step furter - if it wasn't for Tebow, Denver would not be where they are today.

You can pretty much say that about anyone though can't you?

If it wasn't for Jake Plummer, Denver would not be where they are today.

If Plummer hadn't have scared Mike Shanahan so bad in the 2005 AFC Championship game, he wouldn't have reached for Jay Cutler in the next draft. If Plummer would have played a bit better right before the bye week the next year, he wouldn't have gotten benched. Without Cutler, Pat Bowlen wouldn't have thought that it was just a coaching issue in 2008 (ie...they had the talent) and wouldn't have fired Shanahan. Without firing Shanahan, McDaniels wouldn't have been coach. Without McDaniels as coach, Cutler would have stayed and Orton wouldn't have been traded for in the first place AND Tim Tebow wouldn't have been drafted....TADA!


Before we go all Cloud-Atlas, aren't you both presenting the same point?
 
2014-01-09 12:44:38 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: That's what I loved about Tebow as Denver's QB.  If it was all the defense, then why wasn't the team winning when a "real" QB was playing?  Shouldn't they have been blowing teams out with Orton, who as a passer was so much better than Tebow?  I loved the fact that the Denver offense adjusted to suit Tebow's strenghts and I loved that it drove people batshiat insane because he supposedly sucked but made the team better.


Good points but you have to remember the situation going into that season. Coming off the lockout there was little to no actual camp for the new coaching staff to install the new offensive and defensive systems. It simply took a few games to get the players up to speed and the offense never really did. By the time the D started playing well they had already scrapped the original offense in favor of a dramatically simplified system that Tebow was a perfect fit in. Fox was able to get enough production behind his defense, who was playing lights out ball by that point, to grab enough wins in an extremely weak AFC West to back into the playoffs. Even that came off a week 17 loss to the Chiefs at home led by none other than Kyle Orton, who KC had only picked up a month earlier, at QB.

People like to point to their record under Tebow and say it was obviously him that made the difference when in reality there was much more going on there than just "Timmy Time" winning games. As others have stated above it worked as a short term solution and thanks to a weak second half schedule and even weaker division opponents. None of that makes it a viable offense going forward especially considering the developmental stunting their young receivers would have experienced spending the majority of their time on pass blocking and not on route running and zone reads. It also did not mean Tebow could just be sent to any team that was needing a QB and get the same results as his time with the Jets has shown.

As for the stuff about Manning or Welker not going there if it weren't for Tebow getting them to win a little, I think that is a bit of a reach. Considering Peyton's other top choice was the 49ers who were coming off a much better showing in their NFC title game run, I don't think Denver's record was much of an influence. If it only came down to who was playing better San Francisco would have been Manning's choice going away. Elway and Fox sold him on the move and Welker followed. Simple as that.
 
2014-01-09 12:53:22 PM

the1hatman: It also did not mean Tebow could just be sent to any team that was needing a QB and get the same results as his time with the Jets has shown.


It doesn't really "show" if he never had the opportunity to play.
 
2014-01-09 12:59:24 PM

doubled99: This frickin' guy basically got a 5 minute feature with Trent Dilfer on ESPN promoting him to the rest of the NFL.

How come I never hear updates on Brady Quinn's career?


Because Brady Quinn went to STL and immediately got a hangnail or something and hasn't played a down. Believe me, we Rams fans would have loved to see him compete with Kellen Clemens for the starting QB job when Bradford got knocked out for the season... again... but Quinn wasn't up to the task. Maybe he'll show something next season during camp, and compete for the #2 spot, I don't know. But it's kinda hard to talk about a guy's prospect as a QB when he can't play due to injury.
 
2014-01-09 01:02:00 PM

IAmRight: It doesn't really "show" if he never had the opportunity to play.


Should a team play a lesser QB due to popularity and the opinion of Skip Bayless?  This is why Tebow should have tried to play in some kind of league...  even Arena (if it still exists).  No one's going to believe your mechanics, ability to read a defense and pass accuracy are fixed if you can't even demonstrate the truthiness of those claims in a practice or tryout situation.  Why risk a potential win on such shaky evidence?
 
2014-01-09 01:02:32 PM

the1hatman: As for the stuff about Manning or Welker not going there if it weren't for Tebow getting them to win a little, I think that is a bit of a reach. Considering Peyton's other top choice was the 49ers who were coming off a much better showing in their NFC title game run, I don't think Denver's record was much of an influence. If it only came down to who was playing better San Francisco would have been Manning's choice going away. Elway and Fox sold him on the move and Welker followed. Simple as that.


If the Broncos were coming off of a 3- or 4-win season while showing very little promise for the future, do you really think Manning would have been all that interested in going there?  Sure, Elway and Fox sold him on it but only because they had a clear need for a QB on an otherwise finished-product team.  Tebow helping to turn their season around showed the level of talent that they had and made Denver a much more appealing destination than if they had continued to play out the season with Orton farking things up.
 
2014-01-09 01:07:28 PM

IAmRight: the1hatman: It also did not mean Tebow could just be sent to any team that was needing a QB and get the same results as his time with the Jets has shown.

It doesn't really "show" if he never had the opportunity to play.


im guessing he had opportunities in practices.  im also guessing they weren't exemplary.
 
2014-01-09 01:10:46 PM
Honest question for Tebow supporters that think he should have an NFL QB job. Why do you think he isn't getting that opportunity?
 
2014-01-09 01:15:00 PM

Mercutio74: IAmRight: It doesn't really "show" if he never had the opportunity to play.

Should a team play a lesser QB due to popularity and the opinion of Skip Bayless?  This is why Tebow should have tried to play in some kind of league...  even Arena (if it still exists).  No one's going to believe your mechanics, ability to read a defense and pass accuracy are fixed if you can't even demonstrate the truthiness of those claims in a practice or tryout situation.  Why risk a potential win on such shaky evidence?


Actually Mr. Buttfumble was just a massively sunk cost that they had to use since it otherwise meant leaving millions on the bench.  Tack on the media circus and yeah a mediocre QB like Tebow isn't going to get used in that situation.  He's still better than Weeden, Gabbertt, Tuel, Freeman and other the other trash QBs out there but at best that gets you a back up job
 
2014-01-09 01:18:04 PM
I am enjoying all the butthurt from the Tebow fans here.

The dude was on pace to get sacked 70+ times in the only season we have a sample to go by.  That is 70+ lost downs.  And lost yards....sometimes as many as 30 lost yards based on this play...Sacks are the worst thing a QB can do....short of turnovers.

The only other player who comes close to that sack rate is Aaron Rogers, who runs a throw first team and as such tends to get sacked at a hirer rate than more balanced offenses....kinda how a homerun hitter tends to strike out at higher rates than your punch and judy hitter.

But hey, it is pretty clear to the future NFL GMs here that Tebow is totally awesome....cuz he just wins.

Leave Tebow alone!

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2014-01-09 01:19:30 PM

MmmmBacon: Well, he can't fail any worse than some NFL QBs did in 2013. Might as well give Timmy a tryout, especially for teams that are clearly in need of a QB.


'Can;t do worse' is one heckuva an argument.

Can he do better, that is the question
 
2014-01-09 01:31:04 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: the1hatman: As for the stuff about Manning or Welker not going there if it weren't for Tebow getting them to win a little, I think that is a bit of a reach. Considering Peyton's other top choice was the 49ers who were coming off a much better showing in their NFC title game run, I don't think Denver's record was much of an influence. If it only came down to who was playing better San Francisco would have been Manning's choice going away. Elway and Fox sold him on the move and Welker followed. Simple as that.

If the Broncos were coming off of a 3- or 4-win season while showing very little promise for the future, do you really think Manning would have been all that interested in going there?  Sure, Elway and Fox sold him on it but only because they had a clear need for a QB on an otherwise finished-product team.  Tebow helping to turn their season around showed the level of talent that they had and made Denver a much more appealing destination than if they had continued to play out the season with Orton farking things up.


I think their turnaround that season had more to do with the defense coming around, an excellent job of adaptation by the coaching staff and a division that was terrible. I never said Tebow did not play a part in it but to project that out to saying Manning would never had gone there if not for Tebow is still a bit of a reach as is assuming Orton could not have produced similar results had he had the chance to play through to the point where that defense started to come on.

Even if I did agree with this sentiment that still does not mean Tebow is a viable NFL QB going forward if we are to stick with the crux of the discussion. I like Timmy and think he is a decent guy who gets a lot of flack for things out of his control and from fark in particular because "Christians are just the worst thing evar!" but that doesn't make him a quarterback. I think people like Elway, Fox and Belichick know better than you or I would anyway.
 
2014-01-09 01:31:57 PM

The Flexecutioner: im guessing he had opportunities in practices.  im also guessing they weren't exemplary.


Perhaps. I'd just point out that the Jets went with Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith, so it's not like they're prone to great QB evaluation.

/hell, they had Kellen Clemens and he looked more competent than either of them this year

Mercutio74: This is why Tebow should have tried to play in some kind of league...  even Arena (if it still exists).


If Tebow would succeed in the AFL, he'd be an NFL starter. The most important thing in the AFL is passing accurately and getting the ball out fast. That's also the weakest part of Tebow's game. The AFL is great for quick scramblers or guys who might not have a cannon for an arm but who are accurate. It's not great for guys with big arms that can't throw accurately.

/and yes it's still around, even if it's a shell of its former self
 
2014-01-09 01:39:39 PM

ShadowKamui: Mercutio74: IAmRight: It doesn't really "show" if he never had the opportunity to play.

Should a team play a lesser QB due to popularity and the opinion of Skip Bayless?  This is why Tebow should have tried to play in some kind of league...  even Arena (if it still exists).  No one's going to believe your mechanics, ability to read a defense and pass accuracy are fixed if you can't even demonstrate the truthiness of those claims in a practice or tryout situation.  Why risk a potential win on such shaky evidence?

Actually Mr. Buttfumble was just a massively sunk cost that they had to use since it otherwise meant leaving millions on the bench.  Tack on the media circus and yeah a mediocre QB like Tebow isn't going to get used in that situation.  He's still better than Weeden, Gabbertt, Tuel, Freeman and other the other trash QBs out there but at best that gets you a back up job


Actually, no, he's not better than those guys. Not by any individual statistic. Freeman's actually had years where he almost looked good. Tebow never has.
 
2014-01-09 01:40:45 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: Honest question for Tebow supporters that think he should have an NFL QB job. Why do you think he isn't getting that opportunity?


Many, many reasons, although I wouldn't describe myself as pro-Tebow as much as anti-Tebow detractors.  The first reason is the circus that follows him.  The second is that most NFL coaches are stuck in their ways and afraid of getting fired.  They'd rather lose their way than take a chance on a Tebow and lose anyway.  I was actually incredibly surprised when Denver changed their whole offensive scheme to suit Tebow's strength; it's extremely rare for coaches to deviate from their schemes based on personnel.  To me, it doesn't make sense that teams like Jacksonville and Cleveland and Oakland would rather lose - and know they will lose - with Henne/Gabbert and Weeden/Campbell/Hoyer and Pryor/McGloin than take a chance on Tebow.  All of those teams had somewhat decent stables of RBs and at least semi-competent, young receivers that could possibly do well in the system Denver ran.

Sure, they would lose to the better teams in the league, but they're already doing that.  Of course, they're also losing to some of the worst teams in the league while they're at it.  But if you're going to suck, I see no reason not to take a chance to maybe suck a little less.  But taking that chance also might prevent an OC from getting a HC position that he wants eventually.  The Broncos took a chance and it paid off, but that's one of the reasons why they're the Broncos and the Browns, Raiders, and Jaguars are perennial losers.
 
2014-01-09 01:44:26 PM

forgotmydamnusername: Actually, no, he's not better than those guys. Not by any individual statistic.


Except for TD to turnover ratio.
 
2014-01-09 01:51:07 PM

forgotmydamnusername: Not by any individual statistic.


Yes, he is.

Tim Tebow passer ratings: 82.1, 72.9, 84.9. Career 75.3.

Gabbert passer ratings: 65.4, 77.4, 36.0. Career 66.4.

Weeden passer ratings: 72.6, 70.3. Career 71.8.

Freeman is slightly above Tebow, but not significantly: 59.8, 95.9, 74.6, 81.6, 40.6, 59.3. Career 77.8.

Of course, those guys will be out of the league soon, too. But that doesn't change the fact that yes, Tebow was better than most of them by the most-used individual statistic when discussing QB production.
 
2014-01-09 01:52:53 PM

IAmRight: Tim Tebow passer ratings: 82.1, 72.9, 84.9. Career 75.3.Gabbert passer ratings: 65.4, 77.4, 36.0. Career 66.4.Weeden passer ratings: 72.6, 70.3. Career 71.8.Freeman is slightly above Tebow, but not significantly: 59.8, 95.9, 74.6, 81.6, 40.6, 59.3. Career 77.8.


If Tim Tebow were graded on any lower a scale, I'd assume you're a University of Florida professor.
 
2014-01-09 01:56:50 PM
If Tebow has truly fixed his mechanics, then I think he'll find a spot on somebody's roster, but probably as a backup. He's not a bad choice to run a scout team when prepping for games against the read-option.

On a larger scale, next season should be a very interesting season for quarterbacks. There are at least four projected first-round quarterbacks (Bridgewater, Bortles, Manziel, and Derrick Carr) for the 2014 draft, and a bunch more for rounds 2-4.
 
2014-01-09 02:23:06 PM

EyeballKid: IAmRight: Tim Tebow passer ratings: 82.1, 72.9, 84.9. Career 75.3.Gabbert passer ratings: 65.4, 77.4, 36.0. Career 66.4.Weeden passer ratings: 72.6, 70.3. Career 71.8.Freeman is slightly above Tebow, but not significantly: 59.8, 95.9, 74.6, 81.6, 40.6, 59.3. Career 77.8.

If Tim Tebow were graded on any lower a scale, I'd assume you're a University of Florida professor.


Read the thread much?
 
2014-01-09 02:25:34 PM

Cybernetic: If Tebow has truly fixed his mechanics, then I think he'll find a spot on somebody's roster, but probably as a backup. He's not a bad choice to run a scout team when prepping for games against the read-option.

On a larger scale, next season should be a very interesting season for quarterbacks. There are at least four projected first-round quarterbacks (Bridgewater, Bortles, Manziel, and Derrick Carr) for the 2014 draft, and a bunch more for rounds 2-4.


Agreed.  Of the top of my head, Murray, Boyd, McCarron, Mettenberger, Shaw, Fales, and Carr all also have a decent or better shot at being drafted in the first four rounds.  The fun part of this one is that every single one of those guys could be a bust and it shouldn't surprise anyone.  There's no one that is obviously going to succeed here.
 
2014-01-09 02:53:57 PM

IAmRight: forgotmydamnusername: Not by any individual statistic.

Yes, he is.

Tim Tebow passer ratings: 82.1, 72.9, 84.9. Career 75.3.

Gabbert passer ratings: 65.4, 77.4, 36.0. Career 66.4.

Weeden passer ratings: 72.6, 70.3. Career 71.8.

Freeman is slightly above Tebow, but not significantly: 59.8, 95.9, 74.6, 81.6, 40.6, 59.3. Career 77.8.

Of course, those guys will be out of the league soon, too. But that doesn't change the fact that yes, Tebow was better than most of them by the most-used individual statistic when discussing QB production.


So then, a variation of 'he couldn't do worse' argument...here, you discover the absolute dregs of the league, and point out how Tebow is just about as bad as they are...

How can Tebow do better than these guys?  Oh wait...he'll just win?
 
2014-01-09 03:17:24 PM

LucklessWonder: Because despite his professed Christianity, he hasn't got over the sin of Pride and his ego demands he play QB


How is this the sin of pride? This has got to be one of the most ridiculous posts (not that you're the first person to state this) I've ever seen on Fark, and there's been a lot of competition. When given a choice between a position he's never played and no position, he chose no position. How in the hell do you consider that a sin? I can't comprehend this. Do you even know what pride is? If I have a choice of eating liver & onions or not having dinner, I'm going hungry. It's not a pride issue, it's a matter of doing what you enjoy in life. It might be different if he were literally going hungry, but he has the means to do what he wants.
 
2014-01-09 03:25:34 PM
Most of the criticism of Tebow sounds like the old time scouts in Moneyball
 
2014-01-09 03:34:35 PM

Leonard Washington: Most of the criticism of Tebow sounds like the old time scouts in Moneyball


And they were sure proven wrong after the A's won all those championships! All they do is win!
 
2014-01-09 03:50:16 PM

skrame: LucklessWonder: Because despite his professed Christianity, he hasn't got over the sin of Pride and his ego demands he play QB

How is this the sin of pride? This has got to be one of the most ridiculous posts (not that you're the first person to state this) I've ever seen on Fark, and there's been a lot of competition. When given a choice between a position he's never played and no position, he chose no position. How in the hell do you consider that a sin? I can't comprehend this. Do you even know what pride is? If I have a choice of eating liver & onions or not having dinner, I'm going hungry. It's not a pride issue, it's a matter of doing what you enjoy in life. It might be different if he were literally going hungry, but he has the means to do what he wants.


So much this!

I remember another farker debating that he was "entitled" because he wouldn't play another position. When I asked if he ever considered that maybe the guy's dream wasn't playing fullback or TE but being a NFL quarterback his response was to just repeat "Sounds entitled to me."

I see nothing wrong with working to become what you want to be in life. Tebow strikes me as someone who wants to be a QB in the NFL. Not the CFL, ArenaLeague or freakin Russia, as some suggested, and not some other position he has never played and may not even have the skill set for to begin with. It seems to me like he is ok being out the league if he can't get the job he wants but will keep working to attain that goal until the possibility is gone for good. If it were anyone else it would be called character but since it's Tebow it must just be pride or entitlement because reasons.
 
2014-01-09 03:51:31 PM

EyeballKid: Leonard Washington: Most of the criticism of Tebow sounds like the old time scouts in Moneyball

And they were sure proven wrong after the A's won all those championships! All they do is win!


Sox did alright by adopting the approach
3 World Series  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_James#Acceptance_and_employment_in_ m ainstream_baseball
 
2014-01-09 03:52:36 PM

Leonard Washington: Most of the criticism of Tebow sounds like the old time scouts in Moneyball


But in reverse.  Moneyball used statistics instead of gut feelings and subjective analysis to determine if a player adds something to the team.  Tebow fans use gut feelings and subjective analysis to ignore Tebow's statistical performance.
 
2014-01-09 03:56:48 PM
I was just pointing out that most of Tebows criticism is gut feelings and subjective analysis, at least as a percentage of critical posts in fark threads.

I wasn't commenting on pro-Tebow posts.
 
2014-01-09 04:07:32 PM

Leonard Washington: I was just pointing out that most of Tebows criticism is gut feelings and subjective analysis, at least as a percentage of critical posts in fark threads.

I wasn't commenting on pro-Tebow posts.


But to complete the analogy, who represents Brad Pitt and the fat kid from Get Him to the Greek in this situation?  It's certainly not the "he just wins!" crowd... that's garden variety gut feeling right there.
 
2014-01-09 04:09:58 PM

Mercutio74: Leonard Washington: Most of the criticism of Tebow sounds like the old time scouts in Moneyball

But in reverse.  Moneyball used statistics instead of gut feelings and subjective analysis to determine if a player adds something to the team.  Tebow fans use gut feelings and subjective analysis to ignore Tebow's statistical performance.


I see several people in this thread, myself included, who have pointed to Tebow's statistics as a way to show that he can play better than several QBs that started in the NFL the past two seasons.  The problem is that the people who hate Tebow summarily dismiss those statistics.  So I'd say that Leonard Washington is correct and you are wrong.
 
2014-01-09 04:29:29 PM

EyeballKid: If Tim Tebow were graded on any lower a scale, I'd assume you're a University of Florida professor.


Someone says that Tebow was worse at every statistic than even the dregs of the league. I point out that no, he may not be good, but those guys, who are still in the league, suck more than he does.

asmodeus224: How can Tebow do better than these guys?  Oh wait...he'll just win?


I believe the argument that most of the "Tebow fans" are making is that "if you're going to suck, you might as well suck in an interesting way."

But for the blind haters, those who claim that he's worse than everyone who still plays despite statistics showing otherwise (the same statistics that they use to point out how terrible he is), that constitutes high praise. Just like how they felt like ESPN was constantly praising him when every football analyst's commentary about him basically consisted of "He's terrible but for some damn reason they keep winning."

/in college, however, he was massively overrated and the CBSEC crew couldn't stop interjecting how great he was into every single game. And ESPN did fawn over him at college...but that did NOT continue into his pro career.
//and this is from someone who hates the SEC and is not religious at all
 
2014-01-09 04:41:31 PM
AdmirableSnackbar:
I see several people in this thread, myself included, who have pointed to Tebow's statistics as a way to show that he can play better than several QBs that started in the NFL the past two seasons.  The problem is that the people who hate Tebow summarily dismiss those statistics.  So I'd say that Leonard Washington is correct and you are wrong. whom have also proved themselves unfit to play in the NFL.

FTFY
 
2014-01-09 05:00:07 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: I see several people in this thread, myself included, who have pointed to Tebow's statistics as a way to show that he can play better than several QBs that started in the NFL the past two seasons. The problem is that the people who hate Tebow summarily dismiss those statistics. So I'd say that Leonard Washington is correct and you are wrong.


To be fair, Tebow actually was a starter, but as with all QBs with substandard stats that go to teams with more talented QBs, he no longer starts.  I'll grant you gladly that he could be a back up, perhaps even be used as part of some kind of gadgety occasional 2QB set (I could see him being successful as the "HB" in a HB option play) but if you look at the quality of the QBs he was being compared to, he's hardly starter material.

The reality of the situation is just as most of the anti-Tebow crowd has stated.  He's just another QB in a long line of college QBs who had a great skill set for their college team playing college defenced, but they're busts in a pass-heavy league that's playing against professional defences.  If he wasn't a media darling for some reason, we wouldn't give him a 2nd thought.
 
2014-01-09 05:22:12 PM

Mercutio74: but as with all QBs with substandard stats that go to teams with more talented QBs, he no longer starts.


He went to the Jets, so that part's not really correct.
 
2014-01-09 05:56:53 PM

IAmRight: Mercutio74: but as with all QBs with substandard stats that go to teams with more talented QBs, he no longer starts.

He went to the Jets, so that part's not really correct.


Captain Buttfumble looked better in practice, and had a better grasp of the offense than Tebow did, apparently. Not being able to beat out Sanchez says something quite the opposite of what you and Mr. Snackbar would like to believe. Hey, the guy had a good run, all things considered. One year of being semi-successful in a gimmick offense is more than a lot of bad QBs manage for their careers.
 
2014-01-09 06:11:40 PM

forgotmydamnusername: IAmRight: Mercutio74: but as with all QBs with substandard stats that go to teams with more talented QBs, he no longer starts.

He went to the Jets, so that part's not really correct.

Captain Buttfumble looked better in practice, and had a better grasp of the offense than Tebow did, apparently. Not being able to beat out Sanchez says something quite the opposite of what you and Mr. Snackbar would like to believe. Hey, the guy had a good run, all things considered. One year of being semi-successful in a gimmick offense is more than a lot of bad QBs manage for their careers.


sanchez also had some decent games in previous seasons.  he definitely showed some skill albeit not often enough.  as much as the QB coach should be able to recognize who's better for the role, given the choices probably out of his control (like drafting Geno or signing Tebow) he cant be TOO responsible for how awful that position is for the Jets.

lol, just looked up the jets coaching staff.  their current QB coach is David Lee: years with the Jets - 1, years coaching in the NFL - 0.  yes, 1 year as the Jets QB coach isn't recognized as having coached in the NFL, haha.
 
2014-01-09 06:37:50 PM

IAmRight: EyeballKid: If Tim Tebow were graded on any lower a scale, I'd assume you're a University of Florida professor.

Someone says that Tebow was worse at every statistic than even the dregs of the league. I point out that no, he may not be good, but those guys, who are still in the league, suck more than he does.


And those guys won't be in the league much longer either. Weeden and Gabbert's days are both numbered.  Freeman might get one more shot somewhere, since he has shown that he can perform at a decent level and his coach turned out to be crazy, but he's going to be on a short leash if he does.
 
2014-01-09 06:38:22 PM

MmmmBacon: doubled99: This frickin' guy basically got a 5 minute feature with Trent Dilfer on ESPN promoting him to the rest of the NFL.

How come I never hear updates on Brady Quinn's career?

Because Brady Quinn went to STL and immediately got a hangnail or something and hasn't played a down. Believe me, we Rams fans would have loved to see him compete with Kellen Clemens for the starting QB job when Bradford got knocked out for the season... again... but Quinn wasn't up to the task. Maybe he'll show something next season during camp, and compete for the #2 spot, I don't know. But it's kinda hard to talk about a guy's prospect as a QB when he can't play due to injury.


Hunh. And here I was, thinking it was endometriosis.
 
2014-01-09 06:48:46 PM
Me: 

IAmRight: Of course, those guys will be out of the league soon, too. But that doesn't change the fact that yes, Tebow was better than most of them by the most-used individual statistic when discussing QB production.


People later:

flak attack: And those guys won't be in the league much longer either. Weeden and Gabbert's days are both numbered.  Freeman might get one more shot somewhere, since he has shown that he can perform at a decent level and his coach turned out to be crazy, but he's going to be on a short leash if he does.


forgotmydamnusername: Not being able to beat out Sanchez says something quite the opposite of what you and Mr. Snackbar would like to believe.


Sigh. Here we go again with people believing that in the NFL, the better player always wins out.
 
2014-01-09 08:40:40 PM

the1hatman: Says the guy who thinks Tim Tebow is a viable quarterback while Peyton Manning is overrated.


Awww you mad raiders fan?  You hatin?  I guess it's hard not to huh biatch?
 
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