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(Breitbart.com)   Tim Tebow attempts comeback with workouts 10 hours a day, six days a week. Unfortunately as NFL teams remember, he doesn't do anything physical on Sunday   (breitbart.com ) divider line
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2014-01-09 05:11:26 AM  
Well, he can't fail any worse than some NFL QBs did in 2013. Might as well give Timmy a tryout, especially for teams that are clearly in need of a QB.
 
2014-01-09 05:33:10 AM  
He's 8-5 in the NFL, including playoff games. That's 9 or 10 wins in a 16-game season. Twenty teams did worse than that in 2013.
 
2014-01-09 06:15:49 AM  

bingethinker: He's 8-5 in the NFL, including playoff games. That's 9 or 10 wins in a 16-game season. Twenty teams did worse than that in 2013.


Exactly. I'm not saying he's a guaranteed success in the NFL, but what does it hurt to give him a tryout? If he doesn't work out, no harm, no foul. If he does, though, everybody wins. The risk of course is that Tebow backslides while in an actual game, and reverts to his previous throwing mechanics, but I would put the blame for that more on his coaches, should it occur.

As you said, there are a lot of teams in the NFL that really need a good QB, and Tebow - for all his faults - has a good head for football. If he can get his mechanics straightened out, some team could find themselves with at worst a decent backup on their roster, if not a young, and extremely motivated starter.
 
2014-01-09 06:55:34 AM  

MmmmBacon: The risk of course is that Tebow backslides while in an actual game, and reverts to his previous throwing mechanics, but I would put the blame for that more on his coaches, should it occur.


This. Given a coach who actually designs a scheme around Tebow's skills rather than throwing him in the deep end and asking him to do things he can't, he could be more successful than a lot of QBs out there -- Geno "random" Smith and Jason "check it down on 4th and 10" Campbell come to mind.
 
2014-01-09 07:36:45 AM  

czetie: iven a coach who actually designs a scheme around Tebow's skills


I'm super sure they weren't doing that in Denver, when they were calling designed runs double-digit times per game, faced with his 47% completion percentage, and still couldn't muster more than 20 ppg on average.
 
2014-01-09 08:02:04 AM  
This is getting "Jason Whitlock suggesting a team pick up Jeff George" levels of ridiculousness.
 
2014-01-09 08:40:01 AM  

EyeballKid: This is getting "Jason Whitlock suggesting a team pick up Jeff George" levels of ridiculousness.


Is it, though? This is the off-season, following a season when many teams had their QBs exposed as talentless hacks. So there are many teams needing a new QB or two, and as long as they are looking for one, why not let Tebow show off his stuff? What do these teams lose by letting him run through a few drills with their other free-agent prospects?

He's supposedly got his mechanics fixed. If they aren't, that should become very apparent, very quickly. So again, what's the harm? For me, Tebow is just another free-agent QB looking for a job. If his agent is worth his percentage, he'll get a tryout or two in the next few months.
 
2014-01-09 09:01:56 AM  

MmmmBacon: What do these teams lose by letting him run through a few drills with their other free-agent prospects?


Credibility.

MmmmBacon: He's supposedly got his mechanics fixed.


According to...?

MmmmBacon: This is the off-season, following a season when many teams had their QBs exposed as talentless hacks.


Wasn't Tebow already exposed as a talentless hack when he played for the Jets and tried out for the Patriots?
 
2014-01-09 09:07:01 AM  

kronicfeld: czetie: iven a coach who actually designs a scheme around Tebow's skills

I'm super sure they weren't doing that in Denver, when they were calling designed runs double-digit times per game, faced with his 47% completion percentage, and still couldn't muster more than 20 ppg on average.


There were 8 teams this year that couldn't manage more than 20 ppg.
 
2014-01-09 09:09:10 AM  
F*cking Breitbart?
On my Sports tab?
DIAF, subtard.
 
2014-01-09 09:12:05 AM  

bingethinker: He's 8-5 in the NFL, including playoff games. That's 9 or 10 wins in a 16-game season. Twenty teams did worse than that in 2013.


If you go back and take a look, the playoff win was an aberration, all the teams he beat during his stint in Denver were sub .500 teams...and he had to pull off 4th quarter comebacks to do that.  Sure, they were exciting and the playoff win clouds everyone's memory but fast forward to the next week where Tom Brady had more touchdown passes than Tebow had completions.
 
2014-01-09 09:12:22 AM  

Maud Dib: F*cking Breitbart?
On my Sports tab?
DIAF, subtard.



Bayless and Cowherd broke the glass ceiling for race-baiting trolling masquerading as sports journalism. It was only a matter of time for DeadCokeAddict.com to follow suit.
 
2014-01-09 09:19:12 AM  
It's not uncommon for an unconventional player to have some success early on (Vince Young and RG3's rookie seasons come to mind...there are many other examples).  Once there is a reasonably data sampling and time to break film down those players are often forced to lean on something other than their unconventional "thing".  Tebow does not possess another dimension to his game.

Tebow is a nice enough guy but he is probably the most 1 dimensional QB to ever play in the NFL.  If you believe that all the people who are professional talent evaluators and coaches are somehow missing something I think you're overestimating your own abilities.
 
2014-01-09 09:20:23 AM  

MmmmBacon: Well, he can't fail any worse than some NFL QBs did in 2013. Might as well give Timmy a tryout, especially for teams that are clearly in need of a QB.


Why, at best if he has improved you get a slightly below average QB that comes with a media circus and distractions.
 
2014-01-09 09:20:38 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: There were 8 teams this year that couldn't manage more than 20 ppg.


And all will agree without reservation that they sucked, right? So how does that make Tebow any better?
 
2014-01-09 09:24:18 AM  
Speaking of people who have no business being in the NFL, looks like Dan Snyder has a new coach.
 
2014-01-09 09:24:47 AM  

kronicfeld: AdmirableSnackbar: There were 8 teams this year that couldn't manage more than 20 ppg.

And all will agree without reservation that they sucked, right? So how does that make Tebow any better?


It doesn't; it simply makes him viable.  Then again, one of those teams that couldn't break the 20 ppg barrier was the defending Super Bowl champions with their MVP Elite QB Joe Flacco.
 
2014-01-09 09:28:03 AM  
Damn, and Cincy's ALREADY got Jay Gruden's replacement....they're going to hire Hue Jackson (and maybe trade him to Arizona for Carson Palmer?)
 
2014-01-09 09:28:39 AM  

bingethinker: He's 8-5 in the NFL, including playoff games. That's 9 or 10 wins in a 16-game season. Twenty teams did worse than that in 2013.


Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Do you think he's a good QB?

In both cases, they were medicore/bad QBs that had great defenses.
 
2014-01-09 09:31:42 AM  
This frickin' guy basically got a 5 minute feature with Trent Dilfer on ESPN promoting him to the rest of the NFL.

How come I never hear updates on Brady Quinn's career?
 
2014-01-09 09:32:46 AM  
Breitbart? Really? That's who is covering his comeback?
 
2014-01-09 09:34:23 AM  
Anyone who thinks that Tim Tebow has the skill set of an NFL QB simply does not understand the game very well.
 
2014-01-09 09:37:31 AM  

bingethinker: He's 8-5 in the NFL, including playoff games


9-7
 
2014-01-09 09:38:37 AM  

bronyaur1: Anyone who thinks that Tim Tebow has the skill set of an NFL QB simply does not understand the game very well.


Anyone who thinks you can quantify someone's knowledge of the NFL based on their opinion of one player doesn't know shiat.
 
2014-01-09 09:41:13 AM  

doubled99: This frickin' guy basically got a 5 minute feature with Trent Dilfer on ESPN promoting him to the rest of the NFL.

How come I never hear updates on Brady Quinn's career?


Why isn't anyone talking about Colt McCoy?
 
2014-01-09 09:48:42 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: doubled99: This frickin' guy basically got a 5 minute feature with Trent Dilfer on ESPN promoting him to the rest of the NFL.

How come I never hear updates on Brady Quinn's career?

Why isn't anyone talking about Colt McCoy?


Whatever happened to JaMarcus Russell?
 
2014-01-09 09:51:42 AM  

bel4sucks: bronyaur1: Anyone who thinks that Tim Tebow has the skill set of an NFL QB simply does not understand the game very well.

Anyone who thinks you can quantify someone's knowledge of the NFL based on their opinion of one player doesn't know shiat.


 fan boy

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2014-01-09 09:56:18 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Speaking of people who have no business being in the NFL, looks like Dan Snyder has a new coach.


Yup. Jay Gruden. Disappointing choice,but they're the only ones who will work with Danny.
 
2014-01-09 09:58:32 AM  

doubled99: This frickin' guy basically got a 5 minute feature with Trent Dilfer on ESPN promoting him to the rest of the NFL.

How come I never hear updates on Brady Quinn's career?


Because he hasn't been courageous enough as of late.
 
2014-01-09 10:09:14 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: kronicfeld: AdmirableSnackbar: There were 8 teams this year that couldn't manage more than 20 ppg.

And all will agree without reservation that they sucked, right? So how does that make Tebow any better?

It doesn't; it simply makes him viable.  Then again, one of those teams that couldn't break the 20 ppg barrier was the defending Super Bowl champions with their MVP Elite QB Joe Flacco.


And Joe Flacco is undeniably leaps and bounds better than Tebow. Tebow behind the insult to sports the Ravens called an Offensive Line this year would have recorded more points for an opponent than his own team.

The guy was bigger and faster than most college players, but not a very good passer. He's slightly above average in the NFL in terms of size and speed. And he can't read an NFL defense to save his career.
 
2014-01-09 10:16:35 AM  

Ninepoundhammer: fan boy

/whyUmad.jpg


Thinking that was mad is as pathetic as hating Tim Tebow.
 
2014-01-09 10:42:56 AM  
Why isn't this goof not considering the feel-good redemption story and an extended career by just switching to halfback or fullback?  It would pay better than some lame college commentator job.  Endorsements and a "when life throws down roadblocks, just go around them" motivational-speaking cycle would add a ton of extra dough.

/He's not a good QB--I could throw ducks like him.
 
2014-01-09 10:44:16 AM  

EyeballKid: This is getting "Jason Whitlock suggesting a team pick up Jeff George" levels of ridiculousness.


I know, why doesn't he just switch to tight end and quit acting like he's a QB? We all know he's a receiver.....
 
2014-01-09 10:44:57 AM  

EyeballKid: This is getting "Jason Whitlock suggesting a team pick up Jeff George" levels of ridiculousness.


Didn't Jeff George turn out to be a pretty solid quarterback once he left Indy?
 
2014-01-09 10:47:52 AM  

Farce-Side: AdmirableSnackbar: doubled99: This frickin' guy basically got a 5 minute feature with Trent Dilfer on ESPN promoting him to the rest of the NFL.

How come I never hear updates on Brady Quinn's career?

Why isn't anyone talking about Colt McCoy?

Whatever happened to JaMarcus Russell?


Cause they all got multiple years to prove they didn't belong. The pats brought him in to convince him to play TE.
 
2014-01-09 10:47:54 AM  

fickenchucker: Why isn't this goof not considering the feel-good redemption story and an extended career by just switching to halfback or fullback?  It would pay better than some lame college commentator job.  Endorsements and a "when life throws down roadblocks, just go around them" motivational-speaking cycle would add a ton of extra dough.

/He's not a good QB--I could throw ducks like him.


Because despite his professed Christianity, he hasn't got over the sin of Pride and his ego demands he play QB
 
2014-01-09 10:48:59 AM  

Larry Mahnken: EyeballKid: This is getting "Jason Whitlock suggesting a team pick up Jeff George" levels of ridiculousness.

Didn't Jeff George turn out to be a pretty solid quarterback once he left Indy?


Good god no, his problem was he thought he knew more than his coaches which was wrong. The man was a dummy.
 
2014-01-09 10:50:16 AM  

Larry Mahnken: EyeballKid: This is getting "Jason Whitlock suggesting a team pick up Jeff George" levels of ridiculousness.

Didn't Jeff George turn out to be a pretty solid quarterback once he left Indy?


Ask Falcons fans if they'd have rather Jeff George started, or his backup at the time.
 
2014-01-09 10:50:42 AM  

bel4sucks: bronyaur1: Anyone who thinks that Tim Tebow has the skill set of an NFL QB simply does not understand the game very well.

Anyone who thinks you can quantify someone's knowledge of the NFL based on their opinion of one player doesn't know shiat.


Says the guy who thinks Tim Tebow is a viable quarterback while Peyton Manning is overrated.
 
2014-01-09 10:55:35 AM  

bel4sucks: Ninepoundhammer: fan boy

/whyUmad.jpg

Thinking that was mad is as pathetic as hating Tim Tebow.



I don't think most people here really hate Tim Tebow. I think people hate what surrounds Tebow, that's not all his fault but it's still there, it has to be acknowledged.

I find Tim Tebow to be hilarious, like laugh out loud. I think he's a great guy though I don't agree with his beliefs in the slightest. I loved the stuff I heard coming out his mouth when he was mic'd up but god damn he's not a good QB. He's motion is terrible, his release is slow and he can't read defenses fast enough.

Some of those wins came in such a bizarre manner. Like the Chicago game, Denver never even should have gotten the ball back, it was just a boneheaded play by the Bear's running back going out of bounds and stopping the clock. A lot of games just seemed to have this bizarre "hand of god" moment that would lead to a win but those moments only arose after Denver's defense would get stop after stop. It was all the defense (in my opinion)
 
2014-01-09 11:08:25 AM  

TheSlothAlive: bel4sucks: Ninepoundhammer: fan boy

/whyUmad.jpg

Thinking that was mad is as pathetic as hating Tim Tebow.


I don't think most people here really hate Tim Tebow. I think people hate what surrounds Tebow, that's not all his fault but it's still there, it has to be acknowledged.

I find Tim Tebow to be hilarious, like laugh out loud. I think he's a great guy though I don't agree with his beliefs in the slightest. I loved the stuff I heard coming out his mouth when he was mic'd up but god damn he's not a good QB. He's motion is terrible, his release is slow and he can't read defenses fast enough.

Some of those wins came in such a bizarre manner. Like the Chicago game, Denver never even should have gotten the ball back, it was just a boneheaded play by the Bear's running back going out of bounds and stopping the clock. A lot of games just seemed to have this bizarre "hand of god" moment that would lead to a win but those moments only arose after Denver's defense would get stop after stop. It was all the defense (in my opinion)


That's what I loved about Tebow as Denver's QB.  If it was all the defense, then why wasn't the team winning when a "real" QB was playing?  Shouldn't they have been blowing teams out with Orton, who as a passer was so much better than Tebow?  I loved the fact that the Denver offense adjusted to suit Tebow's strenghts and I loved that it drove people batshiat insane because he supposedly sucked but made the team better.

And I'll go one step furter - if it wasn't for Tebow, Denver would not be where they are today.  Had they stuck with Orton and simply sucked, Manning wouldn't have gone there, Welker wouldn't have gone there, and they'd still be looking for a QB which would have definitely changed how they drafted the past two seasons.  Imagine how flat-out awful the Broncos would be right now if Tebow hadn't turned them around.  Say what you will about him as a person and as a QB, but he made one fark of an impact on that franchise.
 
2014-01-09 11:08:36 AM  

TheSlothAlive: bel4sucks: Ninepoundhammer: fan boy

/whyUmad.jpg

Thinking that was mad is as pathetic as hating Tim Tebow.


I don't think most people here really hate Tim Tebow. I think people hate what surrounds Tebow, that's not all his fault but it's still there, it has to be acknowledged.

I find Tim Tebow to be hilarious, like laugh out loud. I think he's a great guy though I don't agree with his beliefs in the slightest. I loved the stuff I heard coming out his mouth when he was mic'd up but god damn he's not a good QB. He's motion is terrible, his release is slow and he can't read defenses fast enough.

Some of those wins came in such a bizarre manner. Like the Chicago game, Denver never even should have gotten the ball back, it was just a boneheaded play by the Bear's running back going out of bounds and stopping the clock. A lot of games just seemed to have this bizarre "hand of god" moment that would lead to a win but those moments only aroseafter Denver's defense would get stop after stop. It was all the defense (in my opinion)


His value is in the, er, intangibles
 
2014-01-09 11:14:45 AM  
I've seen so many QBs sliding into second on a triple this season I'd really love to see Tebow in there running. Kaepernick is fun to watch.
 
2014-01-09 11:20:29 AM  

steamingpile: EyeballKid: This is getting "Jason Whitlock suggesting a team pick up Jeff George" levels of ridiculousness.

I know, why doesn't he just switch to tight end and quit acting like he's a QB? We all know he's a receiver.....


I see what you did there
 
2014-01-09 11:21:52 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: TheSlothAlive: bel4sucks: Ninepoundhammer: fan boy

/whyUmad.jpg

Thinking that was mad is as pathetic as hating Tim Tebow.


I don't think most people here really hate Tim Tebow. I think people hate what surrounds Tebow, that's not all his fault but it's still there, it has to be acknowledged.

I find Tim Tebow to be hilarious, like laugh out loud. I think he's a great guy though I don't agree with his beliefs in the slightest. I loved the stuff I heard coming out his mouth when he was mic'd up but god damn he's not a good QB. He's motion is terrible, his release is slow and he can't read defenses fast enough.

Some of those wins came in such a bizarre manner. Like the Chicago game, Denver never even should have gotten the ball back, it was just a boneheaded play by the Bear's running back going out of bounds and stopping the clock. A lot of games just seemed to have this bizarre "hand of god" moment that would lead to a win but those moments only arose after Denver's defense would get stop after stop. It was all the defense (in my opinion)

That's what I loved about Tebow as Denver's QB.  If it was all the defense, then why wasn't the team winning when a "real" QB was playing?  Shouldn't they have been blowing teams out with Orton, who as a passer was so much better than Tebow?  I loved the fact that the Denver offense adjusted to suit Tebow's strenghts and I loved that it drove people batshiat insane because he supposedly sucked but made the team better.

And I'll go one step furter - if it wasn't for Tebow, Denver would not be where they are today.  Had they stuck with Orton and simply sucked, Manning wouldn't have gone there, Welker wouldn't have gone there, and they'd still be looking for a QB which would have definitely changed how they drafted the past two seasons.  Imagine how flat-out awful the Broncos would be right now if Tebow hadn't turned them around.  Say what you will about him as a person and as a QB, but he made one fark of an impact on that franc ...


I can totally see that side of it. I think the issue was that Orton was conventional crappy with conventional crappy play calling. Teams were ready for that kind of game. Tebow was unconventional crappy, it was good for a season but that's about it, it didn't seem sustainable. Either way, I truly enjoyed the season he was there, I'm not a broncos fan in the slightest but I tuned in for almost all their games. I'd also like for him to get another shot but not with any team I like, I want it just for the laughs and butthurt.
 
2014-01-09 11:30:18 AM  
Tebow is an excellent NFL QB. Just yesterday I was down by 24 in the 4th and Tebow ended up throwing for over 300 yards and 3 touchdowns en route to a last minute comeback. It was truly a miracle.

/yes, that did actually happen to me on Madden
//dat clutch trait
 
2014-01-09 11:42:19 AM  

steamingpile: Larry Mahnken: EyeballKid: This is getting "Jason Whitlock suggesting a team pick up Jeff George" levels of ridiculousness.

Didn't Jeff George turn out to be a pretty solid quarterback once he left Indy?

Good god no, his problem was he thought he knew more than his coaches which was wrong. The man was a dummy.


My memory of Jeff George is watching him become hopelessly confused trying to call plays, then start screeching at everyone else. Also liked to point the finger at receivers he flat out missed, and biatch at his line when he held the ball too long.
 
2014-01-09 11:52:51 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: if it wasn't for Tebow, Denver would not be where they are today.  Had they stuck with Orton and simply sucked, Manning wouldn't have gone there, Welker wouldn't have gone there, and they'd still be looking for a QB which would have definitely changed how they drafted the past two seasons.  Imagine how flat-out awful the Broncos would be right now if Tebow hadn't turned them around.  Say what you will about him as a person and as a QB, but he made one fark of an impact on that franchise.


I like this point. As much as Tebow was out of his league, I've had this discussion before as he started the chain of events that landed PFM in Denver and other key FAs to make the Broncos not only relevant but the odds-on favorite (FWIW) to win the AFC.  As a Broncos fan I don't hate Tebow, but I'm relieved he's no longer behind center for my team.
 
2014-01-09 11:55:28 AM  

forgotmydamnusername: steamingpile: Larry Mahnken: EyeballKid: This is getting "Jason Whitlock suggesting a team pick up Jeff George" levels of ridiculousness.

Didn't Jeff George turn out to be a pretty solid quarterback once he left Indy?

Good god no, his problem was he thought he knew more than his coaches which was wrong. The man was a dummy.

My memory of Jeff George is watching him become hopelessly confused trying to call plays, then start screeching at everyone else. Also liked to point the finger at receivers he flat out missed, and biatch at his line when he held the ball too long.


I'll always remember him at Illinois, coming to Boulder (my alma mater) for a road game and getting his ass handed to him. After the game he said "they were the better team...today."  biatch, you lost by over 30.
 
2014-01-09 12:00:40 PM  
well, so much for his Hail Mary attempts.

/try a Hail Satan this time
 
2014-01-09 12:03:29 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: doubled99: This frickin' guy basically got a 5 minute feature with Trent Dilfer on ESPN promoting him to the rest of the NFL.

How come I never hear updates on Brady Quinn's career?

Why isn't anyone talking about Colt McCoy?


He escaped the factory of sadness, is now making bank holding a clip board and has a decent shot at getting some super bowl bling to go w/ it
 
2014-01-09 12:15:41 PM  

LucklessWonder: fickenchucker: Why isn't this goof not considering the feel-good redemption story and an extended career by just switching to halfback or fullback?  It would pay better than some lame college commentator job.  Endorsements and a "when life throws down roadblocks, just go around them" motivational-speaking cycle would add a ton of extra dough.

/He's not a good QB--I could throw ducks like him.

Because despite his professed Christianity, he hasn't got over the sin of Pride and his ego demands he play QB


Thank you, and stolen!
 
rka
2014-01-09 12:17:52 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: And I'll go one step furter - if it wasn't for Tebow, Denver would not be where they are today.


You can pretty much say that about anyone though can't you?

If it wasn't for Jake Plummer, Denver would not be where they are today.

If Plummer hadn't have scared Mike Shanahan so bad in the 2005 AFC Championship game, he wouldn't have reached for Jay Cutler in the next draft. If Plummer would have played a bit better right before the bye week the next year, he wouldn't have gotten benched. Without Cutler, Pat Bowlen wouldn't have thought that it was just a coaching issue in 2008 (ie...they had the talent) and wouldn't have fired Shanahan. Without firing Shanahan, McDaniels wouldn't have been coach. Without McDaniels as coach, Cutler would have stayed and Orton wouldn't have been traded for in the first place AND Tim Tebow wouldn't have been drafted....TADA!
 
2014-01-09 12:20:50 PM  
The Flexecutioner: /try a Hail Satan this time

Did you say.........SATAN?

25.media.tumblr.com

/Don't feel like Satan
//But I am to them
///So I try to forget it
////Any way I can
 
2014-01-09 12:30:16 PM  

rka: AdmirableSnackbar: And I'll go one step furter - if it wasn't for Tebow, Denver would not be where they are today.

You can pretty much say that about anyone though can't you?

If it wasn't for Jake Plummer, Denver would not be where they are today.

If Plummer hadn't have scared Mike Shanahan so bad in the 2005 AFC Championship game, he wouldn't have reached for Jay Cutler in the next draft. If Plummer would have played a bit better right before the bye week the next year, he wouldn't have gotten benched. Without Cutler, Pat Bowlen wouldn't have thought that it was just a coaching issue in 2008 (ie...they had the talent) and wouldn't have fired Shanahan. Without firing Shanahan, McDaniels wouldn't have been coach. Without McDaniels as coach, Cutler would have stayed and Orton wouldn't have been traded for in the first place AND Tim Tebow wouldn't have been drafted....TADA!


It's much easier to make a contending team a non-contending team than it is to make a non-contending team into a Super Bowl favorite.  I get that you're trying to discount the positive impact Tebow had on the franchise but you did a really poor job of it.
 
2014-01-09 12:30:35 PM  

rka: If it wasn't for Jake Plummer, Denver would not be where they are today.


Without 'roid freak David Boston helping Joe goddamn Germaine win the Rose Bowl in '97, Plummer wins a national title for ASU, maybe gets drafted by a competent team instead of the cheapskate Cardinals (before they started giving a sh*t about the product on the field), and probably never ends up in Denver.

/if Ryan Clark doesn't have a sickle cell trait, maybe he can play in Denver and Tebow never wins a playoff game
 
2014-01-09 12:33:19 PM  
If you want to get into the really intricate hypothetical details - if Seattle doesn't lose in Week 17 to Arizona two years ago, they're a few spots lower in the draft order - they can't trade down and get the same deal; they never get Jeremy Lane, they don't have as deep a secondary, maybe they lose another game or two each year (he's been a special teams force since coming into the league), they miss the playoffs last year and don't get the 1 seed this year.
 
2014-01-09 12:35:25 PM  
He doesnt really know how to play football.
 
2014-01-09 12:41:36 PM  
If he "wants it" so bad, why isn't he playing QB in Russia?  Or even the CFL (though I'm not sure where he'd sit in the Alouette's depth chart... maybe 3rd?)?  Having Trent Dilfer talk you up isn't nearly as convincing as dominating in a lesser football league.
 
2014-01-09 12:42:35 PM  

rka: AdmirableSnackbar: And I'll go one step furter - if it wasn't for Tebow, Denver would not be where they are today.

You can pretty much say that about anyone though can't you?

If it wasn't for Jake Plummer, Denver would not be where they are today.

If Plummer hadn't have scared Mike Shanahan so bad in the 2005 AFC Championship game, he wouldn't have reached for Jay Cutler in the next draft. If Plummer would have played a bit better right before the bye week the next year, he wouldn't have gotten benched. Without Cutler, Pat Bowlen wouldn't have thought that it was just a coaching issue in 2008 (ie...they had the talent) and wouldn't have fired Shanahan. Without firing Shanahan, McDaniels wouldn't have been coach. Without McDaniels as coach, Cutler would have stayed and Orton wouldn't have been traded for in the first place AND Tim Tebow wouldn't have been drafted....TADA!


Before we go all Cloud-Atlas, aren't you both presenting the same point?
 
2014-01-09 12:44:38 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: That's what I loved about Tebow as Denver's QB.  If it was all the defense, then why wasn't the team winning when a "real" QB was playing?  Shouldn't they have been blowing teams out with Orton, who as a passer was so much better than Tebow?  I loved the fact that the Denver offense adjusted to suit Tebow's strenghts and I loved that it drove people batshiat insane because he supposedly sucked but made the team better.


Good points but you have to remember the situation going into that season. Coming off the lockout there was little to no actual camp for the new coaching staff to install the new offensive and defensive systems. It simply took a few games to get the players up to speed and the offense never really did. By the time the D started playing well they had already scrapped the original offense in favor of a dramatically simplified system that Tebow was a perfect fit in. Fox was able to get enough production behind his defense, who was playing lights out ball by that point, to grab enough wins in an extremely weak AFC West to back into the playoffs. Even that came off a week 17 loss to the Chiefs at home led by none other than Kyle Orton, who KC had only picked up a month earlier, at QB.

People like to point to their record under Tebow and say it was obviously him that made the difference when in reality there was much more going on there than just "Timmy Time" winning games. As others have stated above it worked as a short term solution and thanks to a weak second half schedule and even weaker division opponents. None of that makes it a viable offense going forward especially considering the developmental stunting their young receivers would have experienced spending the majority of their time on pass blocking and not on route running and zone reads. It also did not mean Tebow could just be sent to any team that was needing a QB and get the same results as his time with the Jets has shown.

As for the stuff about Manning or Welker not going there if it weren't for Tebow getting them to win a little, I think that is a bit of a reach. Considering Peyton's other top choice was the 49ers who were coming off a much better showing in their NFC title game run, I don't think Denver's record was much of an influence. If it only came down to who was playing better San Francisco would have been Manning's choice going away. Elway and Fox sold him on the move and Welker followed. Simple as that.
 
2014-01-09 12:53:22 PM  

the1hatman: It also did not mean Tebow could just be sent to any team that was needing a QB and get the same results as his time with the Jets has shown.


It doesn't really "show" if he never had the opportunity to play.
 
2014-01-09 12:59:24 PM  

doubled99: This frickin' guy basically got a 5 minute feature with Trent Dilfer on ESPN promoting him to the rest of the NFL.

How come I never hear updates on Brady Quinn's career?


Because Brady Quinn went to STL and immediately got a hangnail or something and hasn't played a down. Believe me, we Rams fans would have loved to see him compete with Kellen Clemens for the starting QB job when Bradford got knocked out for the season... again... but Quinn wasn't up to the task. Maybe he'll show something next season during camp, and compete for the #2 spot, I don't know. But it's kinda hard to talk about a guy's prospect as a QB when he can't play due to injury.
 
2014-01-09 01:02:00 PM  

IAmRight: It doesn't really "show" if he never had the opportunity to play.


Should a team play a lesser QB due to popularity and the opinion of Skip Bayless?  This is why Tebow should have tried to play in some kind of league...  even Arena (if it still exists).  No one's going to believe your mechanics, ability to read a defense and pass accuracy are fixed if you can't even demonstrate the truthiness of those claims in a practice or tryout situation.  Why risk a potential win on such shaky evidence?
 
2014-01-09 01:02:32 PM  

the1hatman: As for the stuff about Manning or Welker not going there if it weren't for Tebow getting them to win a little, I think that is a bit of a reach. Considering Peyton's other top choice was the 49ers who were coming off a much better showing in their NFC title game run, I don't think Denver's record was much of an influence. If it only came down to who was playing better San Francisco would have been Manning's choice going away. Elway and Fox sold him on the move and Welker followed. Simple as that.


If the Broncos were coming off of a 3- or 4-win season while showing very little promise for the future, do you really think Manning would have been all that interested in going there?  Sure, Elway and Fox sold him on it but only because they had a clear need for a QB on an otherwise finished-product team.  Tebow helping to turn their season around showed the level of talent that they had and made Denver a much more appealing destination than if they had continued to play out the season with Orton farking things up.
 
2014-01-09 01:07:28 PM  

IAmRight: the1hatman: It also did not mean Tebow could just be sent to any team that was needing a QB and get the same results as his time with the Jets has shown.

It doesn't really "show" if he never had the opportunity to play.


im guessing he had opportunities in practices.  im also guessing they weren't exemplary.
 
2014-01-09 01:10:46 PM  
Honest question for Tebow supporters that think he should have an NFL QB job. Why do you think he isn't getting that opportunity?
 
2014-01-09 01:15:00 PM  

Mercutio74: IAmRight: It doesn't really "show" if he never had the opportunity to play.

Should a team play a lesser QB due to popularity and the opinion of Skip Bayless?  This is why Tebow should have tried to play in some kind of league...  even Arena (if it still exists).  No one's going to believe your mechanics, ability to read a defense and pass accuracy are fixed if you can't even demonstrate the truthiness of those claims in a practice or tryout situation.  Why risk a potential win on such shaky evidence?


Actually Mr. Buttfumble was just a massively sunk cost that they had to use since it otherwise meant leaving millions on the bench.  Tack on the media circus and yeah a mediocre QB like Tebow isn't going to get used in that situation.  He's still better than Weeden, Gabbertt, Tuel, Freeman and other the other trash QBs out there but at best that gets you a back up job
 
2014-01-09 01:18:04 PM  
I am enjoying all the butthurt from the Tebow fans here.

The dude was on pace to get sacked 70+ times in the only season we have a sample to go by.  That is 70+ lost downs.  And lost yards....sometimes as many as 30 lost yards based on this play...Sacks are the worst thing a QB can do....short of turnovers.

The only other player who comes close to that sack rate is Aaron Rogers, who runs a throw first team and as such tends to get sacked at a hirer rate than more balanced offenses....kinda how a homerun hitter tends to strike out at higher rates than your punch and judy hitter.

But hey, it is pretty clear to the future NFL GMs here that Tebow is totally awesome....cuz he just wins.

Leave Tebow alone!

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2014-01-09 01:19:30 PM  

MmmmBacon: Well, he can't fail any worse than some NFL QBs did in 2013. Might as well give Timmy a tryout, especially for teams that are clearly in need of a QB.


'Can;t do worse' is one heckuva an argument.

Can he do better, that is the question
 
2014-01-09 01:31:04 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: the1hatman: As for the stuff about Manning or Welker not going there if it weren't for Tebow getting them to win a little, I think that is a bit of a reach. Considering Peyton's other top choice was the 49ers who were coming off a much better showing in their NFC title game run, I don't think Denver's record was much of an influence. If it only came down to who was playing better San Francisco would have been Manning's choice going away. Elway and Fox sold him on the move and Welker followed. Simple as that.

If the Broncos were coming off of a 3- or 4-win season while showing very little promise for the future, do you really think Manning would have been all that interested in going there?  Sure, Elway and Fox sold him on it but only because they had a clear need for a QB on an otherwise finished-product team.  Tebow helping to turn their season around showed the level of talent that they had and made Denver a much more appealing destination than if they had continued to play out the season with Orton farking things up.


I think their turnaround that season had more to do with the defense coming around, an excellent job of adaptation by the coaching staff and a division that was terrible. I never said Tebow did not play a part in it but to project that out to saying Manning would never had gone there if not for Tebow is still a bit of a reach as is assuming Orton could not have produced similar results had he had the chance to play through to the point where that defense started to come on.

Even if I did agree with this sentiment that still does not mean Tebow is a viable NFL QB going forward if we are to stick with the crux of the discussion. I like Timmy and think he is a decent guy who gets a lot of flack for things out of his control and from fark in particular because "Christians are just the worst thing evar!" but that doesn't make him a quarterback. I think people like Elway, Fox and Belichick know better than you or I would anyway.
 
2014-01-09 01:31:57 PM  

The Flexecutioner: im guessing he had opportunities in practices.  im also guessing they weren't exemplary.


Perhaps. I'd just point out that the Jets went with Mark Sanchez and Geno Smith, so it's not like they're prone to great QB evaluation.

/hell, they had Kellen Clemens and he looked more competent than either of them this year

Mercutio74: This is why Tebow should have tried to play in some kind of league...  even Arena (if it still exists).


If Tebow would succeed in the AFL, he'd be an NFL starter. The most important thing in the AFL is passing accurately and getting the ball out fast. That's also the weakest part of Tebow's game. The AFL is great for quick scramblers or guys who might not have a cannon for an arm but who are accurate. It's not great for guys with big arms that can't throw accurately.

/and yes it's still around, even if it's a shell of its former self
 
2014-01-09 01:39:39 PM  

ShadowKamui: Mercutio74: IAmRight: It doesn't really "show" if he never had the opportunity to play.

Should a team play a lesser QB due to popularity and the opinion of Skip Bayless?  This is why Tebow should have tried to play in some kind of league...  even Arena (if it still exists).  No one's going to believe your mechanics, ability to read a defense and pass accuracy are fixed if you can't even demonstrate the truthiness of those claims in a practice or tryout situation.  Why risk a potential win on such shaky evidence?

Actually Mr. Buttfumble was just a massively sunk cost that they had to use since it otherwise meant leaving millions on the bench.  Tack on the media circus and yeah a mediocre QB like Tebow isn't going to get used in that situation.  He's still better than Weeden, Gabbertt, Tuel, Freeman and other the other trash QBs out there but at best that gets you a back up job


Actually, no, he's not better than those guys. Not by any individual statistic. Freeman's actually had years where he almost looked good. Tebow never has.
 
2014-01-09 01:40:45 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Honest question for Tebow supporters that think he should have an NFL QB job. Why do you think he isn't getting that opportunity?


Many, many reasons, although I wouldn't describe myself as pro-Tebow as much as anti-Tebow detractors.  The first reason is the circus that follows him.  The second is that most NFL coaches are stuck in their ways and afraid of getting fired.  They'd rather lose their way than take a chance on a Tebow and lose anyway.  I was actually incredibly surprised when Denver changed their whole offensive scheme to suit Tebow's strength; it's extremely rare for coaches to deviate from their schemes based on personnel.  To me, it doesn't make sense that teams like Jacksonville and Cleveland and Oakland would rather lose - and know they will lose - with Henne/Gabbert and Weeden/Campbell/Hoyer and Pryor/McGloin than take a chance on Tebow.  All of those teams had somewhat decent stables of RBs and at least semi-competent, young receivers that could possibly do well in the system Denver ran.

Sure, they would lose to the better teams in the league, but they're already doing that.  Of course, they're also losing to some of the worst teams in the league while they're at it.  But if you're going to suck, I see no reason not to take a chance to maybe suck a little less.  But taking that chance also might prevent an OC from getting a HC position that he wants eventually.  The Broncos took a chance and it paid off, but that's one of the reasons why they're the Broncos and the Browns, Raiders, and Jaguars are perennial losers.
 
2014-01-09 01:44:26 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: Actually, no, he's not better than those guys. Not by any individual statistic.


Except for TD to turnover ratio.
 
2014-01-09 01:51:07 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: Not by any individual statistic.


Yes, he is.

Tim Tebow passer ratings: 82.1, 72.9, 84.9. Career 75.3.

Gabbert passer ratings: 65.4, 77.4, 36.0. Career 66.4.

Weeden passer ratings: 72.6, 70.3. Career 71.8.

Freeman is slightly above Tebow, but not significantly: 59.8, 95.9, 74.6, 81.6, 40.6, 59.3. Career 77.8.

Of course, those guys will be out of the league soon, too. But that doesn't change the fact that yes, Tebow was better than most of them by the most-used individual statistic when discussing QB production.
 
2014-01-09 01:52:53 PM  

IAmRight: Tim Tebow passer ratings: 82.1, 72.9, 84.9. Career 75.3.Gabbert passer ratings: 65.4, 77.4, 36.0. Career 66.4.Weeden passer ratings: 72.6, 70.3. Career 71.8.Freeman is slightly above Tebow, but not significantly: 59.8, 95.9, 74.6, 81.6, 40.6, 59.3. Career 77.8.


If Tim Tebow were graded on any lower a scale, I'd assume you're a University of Florida professor.
 
2014-01-09 01:56:50 PM  
If Tebow has truly fixed his mechanics, then I think he'll find a spot on somebody's roster, but probably as a backup. He's not a bad choice to run a scout team when prepping for games against the read-option.

On a larger scale, next season should be a very interesting season for quarterbacks. There are at least four projected first-round quarterbacks (Bridgewater, Bortles, Manziel, and Derrick Carr) for the 2014 draft, and a bunch more for rounds 2-4.
 
2014-01-09 02:23:06 PM  

EyeballKid: IAmRight: Tim Tebow passer ratings: 82.1, 72.9, 84.9. Career 75.3.Gabbert passer ratings: 65.4, 77.4, 36.0. Career 66.4.Weeden passer ratings: 72.6, 70.3. Career 71.8.Freeman is slightly above Tebow, but not significantly: 59.8, 95.9, 74.6, 81.6, 40.6, 59.3. Career 77.8.

If Tim Tebow were graded on any lower a scale, I'd assume you're a University of Florida professor.


Read the thread much?
 
2014-01-09 02:25:34 PM  

Cybernetic: If Tebow has truly fixed his mechanics, then I think he'll find a spot on somebody's roster, but probably as a backup. He's not a bad choice to run a scout team when prepping for games against the read-option.

On a larger scale, next season should be a very interesting season for quarterbacks. There are at least four projected first-round quarterbacks (Bridgewater, Bortles, Manziel, and Derrick Carr) for the 2014 draft, and a bunch more for rounds 2-4.


Agreed.  Of the top of my head, Murray, Boyd, McCarron, Mettenberger, Shaw, Fales, and Carr all also have a decent or better shot at being drafted in the first four rounds.  The fun part of this one is that every single one of those guys could be a bust and it shouldn't surprise anyone.  There's no one that is obviously going to succeed here.
 
2014-01-09 02:53:57 PM  

IAmRight: forgotmydamnusername: Not by any individual statistic.

Yes, he is.

Tim Tebow passer ratings: 82.1, 72.9, 84.9. Career 75.3.

Gabbert passer ratings: 65.4, 77.4, 36.0. Career 66.4.

Weeden passer ratings: 72.6, 70.3. Career 71.8.

Freeman is slightly above Tebow, but not significantly: 59.8, 95.9, 74.6, 81.6, 40.6, 59.3. Career 77.8.

Of course, those guys will be out of the league soon, too. But that doesn't change the fact that yes, Tebow was better than most of them by the most-used individual statistic when discussing QB production.


So then, a variation of 'he couldn't do worse' argument...here, you discover the absolute dregs of the league, and point out how Tebow is just about as bad as they are...

How can Tebow do better than these guys?  Oh wait...he'll just win?
 
2014-01-09 03:17:24 PM  

LucklessWonder: Because despite his professed Christianity, he hasn't got over the sin of Pride and his ego demands he play QB


How is this the sin of pride? This has got to be one of the most ridiculous posts (not that you're the first person to state this) I've ever seen on Fark, and there's been a lot of competition. When given a choice between a position he's never played and no position, he chose no position. How in the hell do you consider that a sin? I can't comprehend this. Do you even know what pride is? If I have a choice of eating liver & onions or not having dinner, I'm going hungry. It's not a pride issue, it's a matter of doing what you enjoy in life. It might be different if he were literally going hungry, but he has the means to do what he wants.
 
2014-01-09 03:25:34 PM  
Most of the criticism of Tebow sounds like the old time scouts in Moneyball
 
2014-01-09 03:34:35 PM  

Leonard Washington: Most of the criticism of Tebow sounds like the old time scouts in Moneyball


And they were sure proven wrong after the A's won all those championships! All they do is win!
 
2014-01-09 03:50:16 PM  

skrame: LucklessWonder: Because despite his professed Christianity, he hasn't got over the sin of Pride and his ego demands he play QB

How is this the sin of pride? This has got to be one of the most ridiculous posts (not that you're the first person to state this) I've ever seen on Fark, and there's been a lot of competition. When given a choice between a position he's never played and no position, he chose no position. How in the hell do you consider that a sin? I can't comprehend this. Do you even know what pride is? If I have a choice of eating liver & onions or not having dinner, I'm going hungry. It's not a pride issue, it's a matter of doing what you enjoy in life. It might be different if he were literally going hungry, but he has the means to do what he wants.


So much this!

I remember another farker debating that he was "entitled" because he wouldn't play another position. When I asked if he ever considered that maybe the guy's dream wasn't playing fullback or TE but being a NFL quarterback his response was to just repeat "Sounds entitled to me."

I see nothing wrong with working to become what you want to be in life. Tebow strikes me as someone who wants to be a QB in the NFL. Not the CFL, ArenaLeague or freakin Russia, as some suggested, and not some other position he has never played and may not even have the skill set for to begin with. It seems to me like he is ok being out the league if he can't get the job he wants but will keep working to attain that goal until the possibility is gone for good. If it were anyone else it would be called character but since it's Tebow it must just be pride or entitlement because reasons.
 
2014-01-09 03:51:31 PM  

EyeballKid: Leonard Washington: Most of the criticism of Tebow sounds like the old time scouts in Moneyball

And they were sure proven wrong after the A's won all those championships! All they do is win!


Sox did alright by adopting the approach
3 World Series  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_James#Acceptance_and_employment_in_ m ainstream_baseball
 
2014-01-09 03:52:36 PM  

Leonard Washington: Most of the criticism of Tebow sounds like the old time scouts in Moneyball


But in reverse.  Moneyball used statistics instead of gut feelings and subjective analysis to determine if a player adds something to the team.  Tebow fans use gut feelings and subjective analysis to ignore Tebow's statistical performance.
 
2014-01-09 03:56:48 PM  
I was just pointing out that most of Tebows criticism is gut feelings and subjective analysis, at least as a percentage of critical posts in fark threads.

I wasn't commenting on pro-Tebow posts.
 
2014-01-09 04:07:32 PM  

Leonard Washington: I was just pointing out that most of Tebows criticism is gut feelings and subjective analysis, at least as a percentage of critical posts in fark threads.

I wasn't commenting on pro-Tebow posts.


But to complete the analogy, who represents Brad Pitt and the fat kid from Get Him to the Greek in this situation?  It's certainly not the "he just wins!" crowd... that's garden variety gut feeling right there.
 
2014-01-09 04:09:58 PM  

Mercutio74: Leonard Washington: Most of the criticism of Tebow sounds like the old time scouts in Moneyball

But in reverse.  Moneyball used statistics instead of gut feelings and subjective analysis to determine if a player adds something to the team.  Tebow fans use gut feelings and subjective analysis to ignore Tebow's statistical performance.


I see several people in this thread, myself included, who have pointed to Tebow's statistics as a way to show that he can play better than several QBs that started in the NFL the past two seasons.  The problem is that the people who hate Tebow summarily dismiss those statistics.  So I'd say that Leonard Washington is correct and you are wrong.
 
2014-01-09 04:29:29 PM  

EyeballKid: If Tim Tebow were graded on any lower a scale, I'd assume you're a University of Florida professor.


Someone says that Tebow was worse at every statistic than even the dregs of the league. I point out that no, he may not be good, but those guys, who are still in the league, suck more than he does.

asmodeus224: How can Tebow do better than these guys?  Oh wait...he'll just win?


I believe the argument that most of the "Tebow fans" are making is that "if you're going to suck, you might as well suck in an interesting way."

But for the blind haters, those who claim that he's worse than everyone who still plays despite statistics showing otherwise (the same statistics that they use to point out how terrible he is), that constitutes high praise. Just like how they felt like ESPN was constantly praising him when every football analyst's commentary about him basically consisted of "He's terrible but for some damn reason they keep winning."

/in college, however, he was massively overrated and the CBSEC crew couldn't stop interjecting how great he was into every single game. And ESPN did fawn over him at college...but that did NOT continue into his pro career.
//and this is from someone who hates the SEC and is not religious at all
 
2014-01-09 04:41:31 PM  
AdmirableSnackbar:
I see several people in this thread, myself included, who have pointed to Tebow's statistics as a way to show that he can play better than several QBs that started in the NFL the past two seasons.  The problem is that the people who hate Tebow summarily dismiss those statistics.  So I'd say that Leonard Washington is correct and you are wrong. whom have also proved themselves unfit to play in the NFL.

FTFY
 
2014-01-09 05:00:07 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: I see several people in this thread, myself included, who have pointed to Tebow's statistics as a way to show that he can play better than several QBs that started in the NFL the past two seasons. The problem is that the people who hate Tebow summarily dismiss those statistics. So I'd say that Leonard Washington is correct and you are wrong.


To be fair, Tebow actually was a starter, but as with all QBs with substandard stats that go to teams with more talented QBs, he no longer starts.  I'll grant you gladly that he could be a back up, perhaps even be used as part of some kind of gadgety occasional 2QB set (I could see him being successful as the "HB" in a HB option play) but if you look at the quality of the QBs he was being compared to, he's hardly starter material.

The reality of the situation is just as most of the anti-Tebow crowd has stated.  He's just another QB in a long line of college QBs who had a great skill set for their college team playing college defenced, but they're busts in a pass-heavy league that's playing against professional defences.  If he wasn't a media darling for some reason, we wouldn't give him a 2nd thought.
 
2014-01-09 05:22:12 PM  

Mercutio74: but as with all QBs with substandard stats that go to teams with more talented QBs, he no longer starts.


He went to the Jets, so that part's not really correct.
 
2014-01-09 05:56:53 PM  

IAmRight: Mercutio74: but as with all QBs with substandard stats that go to teams with more talented QBs, he no longer starts.

He went to the Jets, so that part's not really correct.


Captain Buttfumble looked better in practice, and had a better grasp of the offense than Tebow did, apparently. Not being able to beat out Sanchez says something quite the opposite of what you and Mr. Snackbar would like to believe. Hey, the guy had a good run, all things considered. One year of being semi-successful in a gimmick offense is more than a lot of bad QBs manage for their careers.
 
2014-01-09 06:11:40 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: IAmRight: Mercutio74: but as with all QBs with substandard stats that go to teams with more talented QBs, he no longer starts.

He went to the Jets, so that part's not really correct.

Captain Buttfumble looked better in practice, and had a better grasp of the offense than Tebow did, apparently. Not being able to beat out Sanchez says something quite the opposite of what you and Mr. Snackbar would like to believe. Hey, the guy had a good run, all things considered. One year of being semi-successful in a gimmick offense is more than a lot of bad QBs manage for their careers.


sanchez also had some decent games in previous seasons.  he definitely showed some skill albeit not often enough.  as much as the QB coach should be able to recognize who's better for the role, given the choices probably out of his control (like drafting Geno or signing Tebow) he cant be TOO responsible for how awful that position is for the Jets.

lol, just looked up the jets coaching staff.  their current QB coach is David Lee: years with the Jets - 1, years coaching in the NFL - 0.  yes, 1 year as the Jets QB coach isn't recognized as having coached in the NFL, haha.
 
2014-01-09 06:37:50 PM  

IAmRight: EyeballKid: If Tim Tebow were graded on any lower a scale, I'd assume you're a University of Florida professor.

Someone says that Tebow was worse at every statistic than even the dregs of the league. I point out that no, he may not be good, but those guys, who are still in the league, suck more than he does.


And those guys won't be in the league much longer either. Weeden and Gabbert's days are both numbered.  Freeman might get one more shot somewhere, since he has shown that he can perform at a decent level and his coach turned out to be crazy, but he's going to be on a short leash if he does.
 
2014-01-09 06:38:22 PM  

MmmmBacon: doubled99: This frickin' guy basically got a 5 minute feature with Trent Dilfer on ESPN promoting him to the rest of the NFL.

How come I never hear updates on Brady Quinn's career?

Because Brady Quinn went to STL and immediately got a hangnail or something and hasn't played a down. Believe me, we Rams fans would have loved to see him compete with Kellen Clemens for the starting QB job when Bradford got knocked out for the season... again... but Quinn wasn't up to the task. Maybe he'll show something next season during camp, and compete for the #2 spot, I don't know. But it's kinda hard to talk about a guy's prospect as a QB when he can't play due to injury.


Hunh. And here I was, thinking it was endometriosis.
 
2014-01-09 06:48:46 PM  
Me: 

IAmRight: Of course, those guys will be out of the league soon, too. But that doesn't change the fact that yes, Tebow was better than most of them by the most-used individual statistic when discussing QB production.


People later:

flak attack: And those guys won't be in the league much longer either. Weeden and Gabbert's days are both numbered.  Freeman might get one more shot somewhere, since he has shown that he can perform at a decent level and his coach turned out to be crazy, but he's going to be on a short leash if he does.


forgotmydamnusername: Not being able to beat out Sanchez says something quite the opposite of what you and Mr. Snackbar would like to believe.


Sigh. Here we go again with people believing that in the NFL, the better player always wins out.
 
2014-01-09 08:40:40 PM  

the1hatman: Says the guy who thinks Tim Tebow is a viable quarterback while Peyton Manning is overrated.


Awww you mad raiders fan?  You hatin?  I guess it's hard not to huh biatch?
 
2014-01-09 08:52:27 PM  

IAmRight: Me:  IAmRight: Of course, those guys will be out of the league soon, too. But that doesn't change the fact that yes, Tebow was better than most of them by the most-used individual statistic when discussing QB production.

People later:

flak attack: And those guys won't be in the league much longer either. Weeden and Gabbert's days are both numbered.  Freeman might get one more shot somewhere, since he has shown that he can perform at a decent level and his coach turned out to be crazy, but he's going to be on a short leash if he does.

forgotmydamnusername: Not being able to beat out Sanchez says something quite the opposite of what you and Mr. Snackbar would like to believe.

Sigh. Here we go again with people believing that in the NFL, the better player always wins out.


Sometimes, guys are just in the wrong system, go somewhere else, and look better. It happens. Tebow went to New England, and got cut in training camp. I think it's safe to say, Tebow is not one of those guys.
 
2014-01-09 10:45:43 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: Tebow went to New England, and got cut in training camp. I think it's safe to say, Tebow is not one of those guys.


Yeah, New England's pretty set at QB.
 
2014-01-09 10:55:35 PM  

IAmRight: forgotmydamnusername: Tebow went to New England, and got cut in training camp. I think it's safe to say, Tebow is not one of those guys.

Yeah, New England's pretty set at QB.


He couldn't beat Mallet, who thus far doesn't look real good, for #2 behind Brady. Didn't even look good enough to be #3. Just gone. He failed. Say what you will about New England, they've got a good system, and they've rarely dumped anyone who could play.
 
2014-01-09 11:18:58 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: IAmRight: forgotmydamnusername: Tebow went to New England, and got cut in training camp. I think it's safe to say, Tebow is not one of those guys.

Yeah, New England's pretty set at QB.

He couldn't beat Mallet, who thus far doesn't look real good, for #2 behind Brady. Didn't even look good enough to be #3. Just gone. He failed. Say what you will about New England, they've got a good system, and they've rarely dumped anyone who could play.


NE has no #3
Neither do the cowboys and several other teams
 
2014-01-09 11:41:43 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: Didn't even look good enough to be #3.


No one with a good No. 1 keeps a No. 3 on the roster.

forgotmydamnusername: Say what you will about New England, they've got a good system, and they've rarely dumped anyone who could play.


Yeah. And with Tom Brady there, no one who wants to be a QB can play. They've been happy to dump lots of other offensive guys (though those were mostly money issues) who could play.
 
rka
2014-01-09 11:44:30 PM  

ShadowKamui: forgotmydamnusername: IAmRight: forgotmydamnusername: Tebow went to New England, and got cut in training camp. I think it's safe to say, Tebow is not one of those guys.

Yeah, New England's pretty set at QB.

He couldn't beat Mallet, who thus far doesn't look real good, for #2 behind Brady. Didn't even look good enough to be #3. Just gone. He failed. Say what you will about New England, they've got a good system, and they've rarely dumped anyone who could play.

NE has no #3
Neither do the cowboys and several other teams


If you can't convince the guy who drafted you in the first round, and who brought you in for a 2nd time with a new team, that you're at least worth the league minimum to be a #3 QB in gimmick situations...

Yeah, I think the dream is over. If he had shown any ability at all the Pats would have made room for a #3 QB.

Hell, you'd think that if Tebow was even worth it as a project anymore that someone, from Mike McCoy, to the Jets, to even McDaniels with the Pats (again!) could have put out the word that someone should take a look at him. Players get cut all the time, but word spreads, coach to coach, GM to GM...."Good guy, still have potential, give him a look. We can't use him but maybe you can".

Nobody, other than Trent Dilfer, thinks he deserves a roster spot.
 
2014-01-10 12:14:07 AM  

rka: ShadowKamui: forgotmydamnusername: IAmRight: forgotmydamnusername: Tebow went to New England, and got cut in training camp. I think it's safe to say, Tebow is not one of those guys.

Yeah, New England's pretty set at QB.

He couldn't beat Mallet, who thus far doesn't look real good, for #2 behind Brady. Didn't even look good enough to be #3. Just gone. He failed. Say what you will about New England, they've got a good system, and they've rarely dumped anyone who could play.

NE has no #3
Neither do the cowboys and several other teams

If you can't convince the guy who drafted you in the first round, and who brought you in for a 2nd time with a new team, that you're at least worth the league minimum to be a #3 QB in gimmick situations...

Yeah, I think the dream is over. If he had shown any ability at all the Pats would have made room for a #3 QB.

Hell, you'd think that if Tebow was even worth it as a project anymore that someone, from Mike McCoy, to the Jets, to even McDaniels with the Pats (again!) could have put out the word that someone should take a look at him. Players get cut all the time, but word spreads, coach to coach, GM to GM...."Good guy, still have potential, give him a look. We can't use him but maybe you can".

Nobody, other than Trent Dilfer, thinks he deserves a roster spot.


There are only 53 spots on an NFL roster.  They do not give those out for simply charity.  And the pats actually only had 52 as they explicitly didn't IR Gronk.  The Pats weren't keeping a 3rd QB period, they either had to cut Mallet or Tebow
 
2014-01-10 01:08:28 AM  

rka: Yeah, I think the dream is over. If he had shown any ability at all the Pats would have made room for a #3 QB.


Yeah, because the Patriots didn't need that roster spot. They were totally set at all positions.
 
2014-01-10 01:57:24 AM  

bel4sucks: the1hatman: Says the guy who thinks Tim Tebow is a viable quarterback while Peyton Manning is overrated.

Awww you mad raiders fan?  You hatin?  I guess it's hard not to huh biatch?


Spoken like a true white kid from the burbs.
 
2014-01-10 09:24:18 AM  

the1hatman: Spoken like a true white kid from the burbs.


So has it been 15 years since your team made the playoffs, or are you just on the cusp of it?  It's funny how your pussy bleeds because I like something you don't, and even funnier how you follow me around on this website because you can't stand it.  It'll be okay little biatch, but at least you could show some tit if you're gonna ride my nuts.
 
2014-01-10 09:47:55 AM  

bel4sucks: the1hatman: Spoken like a true white kid from the burbs.

So has it been 15 years since... blah, blah, blah *white kid problems*


Hush junior or I'll start dating your mother and put you in time out.
 
2014-01-10 12:43:45 PM  

the1hatman: bel4sucks: the1hatman: Spoken like a true white kid from the burbs.

So has it been 15 years since... blah, blah, blah *white kid problems*

Hush junior or I'll start dating your mother and put you in time out.


Awww that vaginitis got you so yeasty you could start your own brewery. If you name it after yourself and call it biatch Beer, I get 20%.
 
2014-01-10 12:50:27 PM  

bel4sucks: the1hatman: bel4sucks: the1hatman: Spoken like a true white kid from the burbs.

So has it been 15 years since... blah, blah, blah *white kid problems*

Hush junior or I'll start dating your mother and put you in time out.

Awww that... blah, blah, blah *haven't touched a vag since he came out of one*


Keep it up and I'll have your mommy leave the fruit cup out of your lunch on Monday.
 
2014-01-10 01:30:40 PM  
Tebow has two problems:

1)  You need to design an offense around him, and all signs point to him not quite being worth that.  In the right setup, I think he could be a bottom third (but not absolute bottom of the league) QB.  He doesn't turn the ball over a ton, and throws a better deep ball than people give him credit for, even if his short accuracy kinda sucks.  But why would you put all that effort into building a team around him if the ceiling's pretty low?  This also hurts his potential as a backup, since you'd have to rearrange your game plan if he ever got into a game.  You want a backup who plays like your starter.  There aren't really any starters he could jump in behind.  Maybe Cam Newton, I guess.

2)  He brings a media spectacle that is counterproductive.  Maybe not his fault, but it's a strike against him.
 
2014-01-10 02:27:48 PM  

the1hatman: bel4sucks: the1hatman: bel4sucks: the1hatman: Spoken like a true white kid from the burbs.

So has it been 15 years since... blah, blah, blah *white kid problems*

Hush junior or I'll start dating your mother and put you in time out.

Awww that... blah, blah, blah *haven't touched a vag since he came out of one*

Keep it up and I'll have your mommy leave the fruit cup out of your lunch on Monday.


Heh mom jokes, you forgot the white part though. But being wrong never stopped a raiders fan right?
 
2014-01-10 02:49:02 PM  

IAmRight: forgotmydamnusername: Didn't even look good enough to be #3.

No one with a good No. 1 keeps a No. 3 on the roster.


"Peyton Manning, Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers aren't good" -IAmRight

You just said that.

7 of the teams who had a QB in the top 10 for passer rating this year had 3 QBs on their roster at the start of the season.  That goes to 9/10 if you use yards/game or yards for the season and 8/10 if you use TDs.

It looks like the exact opposite tends to be true.
 
2014-01-10 02:56:56 PM  

bel4sucks: the1hatman: bel4sucks: the1hatman: bel4sucks: the1hatman: Spoken like a true white kid from the burbs.

So has it been 15 years since... blah, blah, blah *white kid problems*

Hush junior or I'll start dating your mother and put you in time out.

Awww that... blah, blah, blah *haven't touched a vag since he came out of one*

Keep it up and I'll have your mommy leave the fruit cup out of your lunch on Monday.

Heh mom jokes, you forgot the white part though. But being wrong never stopped a raiders fan right?


It's not my fault you sound like the living embodiment of thisv in everthing you post.

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Nor is it my problem that you are so butthurt that people don't think Tebow is a decent NFL quarterback that you are drawn to every thread about him like a moth to a flame to cry about it.

Tell you what, I'll let your mom give you the fruit cup if it will get you to dry your eyes. Ok tiger?
 
2014-01-10 03:10:17 PM  

the1hatman: bel4sucks: the1hatman: bel4sucks: the1hatman: bel4sucks: the1hatman: Spoken like a true white kid from the burbs.

So has it been 15 years since... blah, blah, blah *white kid problems*

Hush junior or I'll start dating your mother and put you in time out.

Awww that... blah, blah, blah *haven't touched a vag since he came out of one*

Keep it up and I'll have your mommy leave the fruit cup out of your lunch on Monday.

Heh mom jokes, you forgot the white part though. But being wrong never stopped a raiders fan right?

It's not my fault you sound like the living embodiment of thisv in everthing you post.


Nor is it my problem that you are so butthurt that people don't think Tebow is a decent NFL quarterback that you are drawn to every thread about him like a moth to a flame to cry about it.

Tell you what, I'll let your mom give you the fruit cup if it will get you to dry your eyes. Ok tiger?


I like Tebow, he did some great things for my team. Hell you're the one gettin that pussy all sore because someone likes something you dont. Its cute you keep up with me and follow me around this site but make with them tits mami you biatch too much not to show them off.
 
2014-01-10 04:04:47 PM  

flak attack: You just said that.

7 of the teams who had a QB in the top 10 for passer rating this year had 3 QBs on their roster at the start of the season.  That goes to 9/10 if you use yards/game or yards for the season and 8/10 if you use TDs.


Basically there are a few different categories those teams fall under (went by passer rating):

Need 3 QBs because their starters get injured every year: Eagles, Bears (and worried about it: Steelers. Some year even the giant fat QB isn't going to be able to withstand all the hits.)
Want to protect potential talent from being poached from the practice squad: Chargers (maybe Steelers; I really don't know about Landry Jones)
Dumb: Broncos. If Manning goes down you're f*cked. (Maybe they belong in the second category but I've never heard of their third-stringer)
Smart teams with the best personnel management in the league: Seahawks, 49ers (not in the top 10, but Patriots would be in this group, too)
Didn't actually have 3 QBs until later in the season: Packers, Saints
Should have 3 QBs because they don't protect their QB, but instead go with 2: Cowboys.
 
2014-01-10 04:22:18 PM  
bel4sucks: ... but make with them tits mami you biatch too much not to show them off.

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Again with the projection. I'm not the one who gets all defensive about Tebow in these threads so if there is any crying going on it would be coming from you. Most here don't think he is a viable NFL QB and whenever they state such you are the first to ride in with your best white knight costume to fend off all of his detractors because their opinion differs from yours. Ergo, the "Miami tits beeyachin" or whatever you call it, is all coming from you. That you craft your crybaby responses with all the vernacular of the average 12 year old wannabe suburban basement dweller just makes you easy fodder.

If you honestly like players that do some great things for your team I suggest you enjoy having a real QB running the offense for a change. Timmy did play well given what limited ability he has but Manning could actually take the Donks to a title. I would almost cheer for a Denver championship this year just to watch you try and justify your "Manning is a playoff choke artist" stance should he deliver a title for your team.
 
2014-01-10 04:41:23 PM  

the1hatman: bel4sucks: ... but make with them tits mami you biatch too much not to show them off.

Again with the projection. I'm not the one who gets all defensive about Tebow in these threads so if there is any crying going on it would be coming from you. Most here don't think he is a viable NFL QB and whenever they state such you are the first to ride in with your best white knight costume to fend off all of his detractors because their opinion differs from yours. Ergo, the "Miami tits beeyachin" or whatever you call it, is all coming from you. That you craft your crybaby responses with all the vernacular of the average 12 year old wannabe suburban basement dweller just makes you easy fodder.

If you honestly like players that do some great things for your team I suggest you enjoy having a real QB running the offense for a change. Timmy did play well given what limited ability he has but Manning could actually take the Donks to a title. I would almost cheer for a Denver championship this year just to watch you try and justify your "Manning is a playoff choke artist" stance should he deliver a title for your team.


Its too funny how you see that word Tebow in the subject line and can't wait for me to comment so you can come ride my nuts. I bet ya sit there hitting f5 with one hand and rubbing your clit with the other in anticipation. I know Ive told you this before but if you wanna see the dick you have to ask like a good little biatch.
 
2014-01-10 05:33:16 PM  

bel4sucks: Its too funny how you see that word Tebow in the subject line and can't wait for me to comment so you can come ride my nuts. I bet ya sit there hitting f5 with one hand and rubbing your clit with the other in anticipation. I know Ive told you this before but if you wanna see the dick you have to ask like a good little biatch.


t.qkme.me
 
2014-01-10 07:51:54 PM  

the1hatman: bel4sucks: Its too funny how you see that word Tebow in the subject line and can't wait for me to comment so you can come ride my nuts. I bet ya sit there hitting f5 with one hand and rubbing your clit with the other in anticipation. I know Ive told you this before but if you wanna see the dick you have to ask like a good little biatch.

[t.qkme.me image 228x310]


It's cute you're so desperate for my attention, but get to showing the boobs.
 
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