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(CBS News)   Pope Francis eliminates "monsignor" honorific for priests, says that they should not have any titles, especially "prime suspect"   (cbsnews.com) divider line 35
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2014-01-09 11:14:29 AM  
3 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: Pope Hopey Change


Is there nothing you farkwits cannot turn into a US based partisan battle ?

// give it a break every once in a while, not everything depends on petty US political battles
2014-01-09 11:02:28 AM  
3 votes:
My dead paternal grandmother is spinning in Hell over this, after decades of "Monsignor said this" and "Monsignor said that" while she was a lying, conniving biatch to my brothers and me.

/Just because you go to church, say the novena, and scream from the top of your lungs how good a Catholic you are doesn't mean you're a good Catholic
2014-01-09 10:58:25 AM  
3 votes:

Ghastly: Something tells me this new pope has an impending date with serious illness in his near future.


He made it this far. Something tells me he's really, really good at not getting ill.
2014-01-09 01:21:50 PM  
2 votes:
DarkVader:  And that's really the problem with all religions.  They're telling people to believe in (and waste their money on) a load of bullshiat.

And can you believe people still pay copious amounts of money toward clothes that no one else would pay that kind of money for? Obviously these people with different values than you should feel ashamed for not conforming to your single minded 'truth'.
2014-01-09 12:45:10 PM  
2 votes:
I know I'm not the one you're talking to, but I'd like to offer my own 2cent-answer.

If I had my way, the CC would turn over all incident reports and punishment reports regarding allegations of abuse going back at least 60 years.  And they would turn over all records of priest-transfers in connection with these allegations so that police have records of time/place where the accused priests lived in order to better search for other victims that have yet to come forward.

Lastly, if I had my way, the CC would revise its policy on internal punishment for secular crimes.  No more 'in-house' punishment for secular crimes.  Instead, the police are notified and the church hierarchy would assist the police in any and all ways required of them without stalling or stonewalling.

But, that's just me.


Dammit, it's not just you, I was going to make precisely that response.  It's freaking obvious, too.  THEY KNOW EVERYTHING THEY'RE HIDING ABOUT THE CRIMES THEY ARE COVERING UP.   IN EXCRUCIATING DETAIL.  Zero tolerance for sex crimes and child molestation, not a tricky concept.  Come clean, and stay clean.  Then feel free to entertain us with your shifting of meaningless honorary titles.  For fark's sake.
2014-01-09 12:05:01 PM  
2 votes:

Foundling: Raised Catholic.
Never figured out what the hell a "Monsignor" was.


Monsignor : Priest :: Sergeant Major : Sergent

More or less.
2014-01-09 11:50:03 AM  
2 votes:
Slartibartfaster: Abuse of children by priests is not a U.S. political issue. It is an issue WITHIN THE CHURCH, that the Pope has promised to fix and even went as far as setting up a committee to ... ???

Trying to turn this into U.S. politics is a pathetic move on your part.
2014-01-09 11:30:04 AM  
2 votes:

Nana's Vibrator: Growing up, 2 of my favorite leaders in my church were monsignors.  They didn't try to f*ck me or anything, so MAJOR points there.


It disturbs me that the lack of sexual abuse is enough to give someone points in your world...
2014-01-09 11:17:22 AM  
2 votes:
Good. Humility is beneficial for the soul.
2014-01-09 11:13:03 AM  
2 votes:

Osato: Ghastly: Something tells me this new pope has an impending date with serious illness in his near future.

He made it this far. Something tells me he's really, really good at not getting ill.


I think that's why he lives and eats communally with a bunch of other priests.
2014-01-09 11:07:43 AM  
2 votes:

maram500: My dead paternal grandmother is spinning in Hell over this, after decades of "Monsignor said this" and "Monsignor said that" while she was a lying, conniving biatch to my brothers and me.

/Just because you go to church, say the novena, and scream from the top of your lungs how good a Catholic you are doesn't mean you're a good Catholic


This Pope and Jesus agrees.

/local Monsignor is called "Father So-and-So" out of habit
2014-01-09 10:05:05 AM  
2 votes:
Something tells me this new pope has an impending date with serious illness in his near future.
2014-01-09 01:50:05 PM  
1 votes:
So you're dead set on playing dumb then, Capo?

No one said there was a single treasure trove to turn over, or a single "molestors" database.  It's not a "walk into the basement of the Vatican and press a button" thing.  I said there's a paper trail, and that any competent investigator with full access could put everything together in quick order.

And I said to begin with the most innocent of paperwork, and one likely to be retained, the records of priest relocations.

The way you talk you'd have us think that no large scale criminal investigation was even possible before the modern age.  We're not stupid, so stop acting that way.  A properly empowered team could cut through this crap in a matter of months, and you MUST know that.

And yeah, I've been working longer than you have.
2014-01-09 12:41:36 PM  
1 votes:

DarkVader: He might be a nice guy, but that doesn't change the fact that his god isn't real.

And that's really the problem with all religions.  They're telling people to believe in (and waste their money on) a load of bullshiat.


If it helps them get through life without getting homicidal/suicidal and they're not hurting anyone, why does it matter what they believe?

yes, I'm an atheist.  No, I don't care about what other people think as long as they're not hurting anyone.
2014-01-09 12:37:02 PM  
1 votes:

anuran: Laobaojun: Osato: Ghastly: Something tells me this new pope has an impending date with serious illness in his near future.

He made it this far. Something tells me he's really, really good at not getting ill.

I wonder if being a Jesuit has anything to do with it.

/This will be the last Jesuit pope for centuries.

They don't let stupid people become Jesuits. And stupid people at that level don't survive the Dirty War.
When he named himself "Francis" and I found out he was a Jesuit my first thought was "Counter Reformation time. Wonder if he's going to bring in a team of SAS Accountants and a headsman"


The Counter Reformation had a split character, and the Jesuits and other moderates were drowned out by the rabid conservatives who felt that Luther had succeeded because the church wasn't conservative enough.  Those nut jobs got the upperhand, trampled on the moderates because they weren't 'fanatic' enough and reinforced the schism with their excesses and purity tests.

/Kind of like the Republican party.
2014-01-09 12:34:02 PM  
1 votes:

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Foundling: Raised Catholic.
Never figured out what the hell a "Monsignor" was.

Monsignor : Priest :: Sergeant Major : Sergent

More or less.


Sort of kind of.  It's an honorary title given out by the pope to any priest who he (the pope) decides has rendered specially valuable or honorable service to the Church.  It doesn't grant any new powers or even rank in terms of "giving orders" but a monsignor get to wear a fancier hat and different colored ribbons on his cassock and stuff.  Sort of like getting a medal, it was often given to priests who'd served for decades and were well respected by their parishes and such.

You can also get to be a monsignor ex officio if you hold certain jobs that require Vatican appointment.

The title is already pretty rare, I think I've only known maybe two or three, all old guys.

Oh, and I don't think you can get the title if you are member of a religious order (Benedictine, Franciscan, et cetera).
2014-01-09 12:33:31 PM  
1 votes:

Laobaojun: Last time there was this degree of change in the Catholic church, in my town there was a mass 'walk of shame' from the Catholic church to the Episcopalian church.


Which change was that?  If you are protesting the mass being said in English instead of Latin, switching to the Episcopalian church isn't going to help.
2014-01-09 12:23:16 PM  
1 votes:

Laobaojun: Osato: Ghastly: Something tells me this new pope has an impending date with serious illness in his near future.

He made it this far. Something tells me he's really, really good at not getting ill.

I wonder if being a Jesuit has anything to do with it.

/This will be the last Jesuit pope for centuries.


They don't let stupid people become Jesuits. And stupid people at that level don't survive the Dirty War.
When he named himself "Francis" and I found out he was a Jesuit my first thought was "Counter Reformation time. Wonder if he's going to bring in a team of SAS Accountants and a headsman"
2014-01-09 12:09:06 PM  
1 votes:
The church is supposed to be their flock, right? Why can't they be something humble like Shepard?
2014-01-09 11:51:24 AM  
1 votes:

Laobaojun: Osato: Ghastly: Something tells me this new pope has an impending date with serious illness in his near future.

He made it this far. Something tells me he's really, really good at not getting ill.

I wonder if being a Jesuit has anything to do with it.

/This will be the last Jesuit pope for centuries.


Probably.

They are the "George Carlin's" of the place.
2014-01-09 11:50:34 AM  
1 votes:

m00: yakmans_dad: I've always treated Faith and Belief as synonyms. I don't understand the distinction you assert. (Ex-Catholic)

I believe in global warming but I have faith that Democrats will be the ones who completely sell out the planet and all life to corporations under the guise of environmentalism.



Nope. Not helping.
m00
2014-01-09 11:48:15 AM  
1 votes:

yakmans_dad: I've always treated Faith and Belief as synonyms. I don't understand the distinction you assert. (Ex-Catholic)


I believe in global warming but I have faith that Democrats will be the ones who completely sell out the planet and all life to corporations under the guise of environmentalism.
2014-01-09 11:36:59 AM  
1 votes:

Ghastly: Something tells me this new pope has an impending date with serious illness in his near future.


No matter what happens, you'll always be my Pope, Ghastly. You'll always be my Pope.

/Tentacles for all!
2014-01-09 11:32:04 AM  
1 votes:
Raised Catholic.
Never figured out what the hell a "Monsignor" was.
2014-01-09 11:27:49 AM  
1 votes:

EdBear: maram500: My dead paternal grandmother is spinning in Hell over this, after decades of "Monsignor said this" and "Monsignor said that" while she was a lying, conniving biatch to my brothers and me.

What are people going to do if the church refuses to enable and validate their hate-filled hearts any more?


stop being atheists?
2014-01-09 11:21:06 AM  
1 votes:
Anyone remember Mother Angelica on EWTN? She's so ubber oldschool that even the idea of the Mass spoken in English was too radical for her and insisted on it being 100% Latin. If they brought back the Spanish Inquisition, she'd be happy as fark about it.


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She had a few strokes in her latter years and one friend joked that she turned into "Long John Sister", but in the last few episodes she was on before the network asked her to "retire from TV" (probably because she was creeping the f*ck out of the viewers), she was still as backward as ever with her views.

I'll bet she's shooting cinderblocks from her ass every time she hears of the latest thing coming out of Rome these days.
2014-01-09 11:15:19 AM  
1 votes:

Ghastly: Something tells me this new pope has an impending date with serious illness in his near future.


Why? I mean he's the best PR spin doctor the world has ever seen! He's taken the meaning of Pope from 'paedophile protector' to 'megalolz generator'
2014-01-09 11:14:29 AM  
1 votes:
5But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,  6and love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,  7and greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.  8But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master,  even Christ; and all ye are brethren.  9And call no  man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.10Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master,  even Christ.  11But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.  12And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
2014-01-09 11:12:04 AM  
1 votes:

maram500: My dead paternal grandmother is spinning in Hell over this, after decades of "Monsignor said this" and "Monsignor said that" while she was a lying, conniving biatch to my brothers and me.


What are people going to do if the church refuses to enable and validate their hate-filled hearts any more?
2014-01-09 11:02:36 AM  
1 votes:
In the military you way still refer to them as Padre.
2014-01-09 11:02:26 AM  
1 votes:

Osato: Ghastly: Something tells me this new pope has an impending date with serious illness in his near future.

He made it this far. Something tells me he's really, really good at not getting ill.


I wonder if being a Jesuit has anything to do with it.

/This will be the last Jesuit pope for centuries.
2014-01-09 10:59:28 AM  
1 votes:
Growing up, 2 of my favorite leaders in my church were monsignors.  They didn't try to f*ck me or anything, so MAJOR points there.
2014-01-09 10:51:28 AM  
1 votes:

Diogenes: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: So they're going back to making everyone Bishops again?

That would be AWESOME!

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I see your Bishop, and raise you

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2014-01-09 10:23:04 AM  
1 votes:

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: So they're going back to making everyone Bishops again?


That would be AWESOME!

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2014-01-09 09:05:01 AM  
1 votes:
Do they still get to keep Curate, Prefect, Canon, Lama, and Patriarch? I mean, depending on level.
 
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