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2014-01-09 10:19:06 AM  
Also, Canada didn't follow the US lead on tax cuts so we now have a balanced budget so we have that going for us.
 
2014-01-09 10:24:22 AM  

mrshowrules: Also, Canada didn't follow the US lead on tax cuts so we now have a balanced budget so we have that going for us.


Most Canadians are cynical enough to know that a tax cut now means a tax hike later.
 
2014-01-09 10:27:14 AM  
Sounds like socialism to me... Or Alaska.
 
2014-01-09 10:27:19 AM  
ugh Norway has a very small, homogenous (with respect to race and religion) population, and is very rich from their oil reserves. Any comparison between Norway and the US is stupid.
 
2014-01-09 10:27:51 AM  
Model governance.
 
2014-01-09 10:29:42 AM  
Tr0mBoNe:

Most Canadians are cynical enough to know that a tax cut now means a tax hike later.


That isn't cynicism. Thats call good sense. A tax cut should be a temporary thing.
 
2014-01-09 10:29:44 AM  

chasd00: ugh Norway has a very small, homogenous (with respect to race and religion) population, and is very rich from their oil reserves. Any comparison between Norway and the US is stupid.



always with the "homogenous" stuff.  Which means what exactly?  You can't have sound policy without everyone being of the same ethnicity and culture?  How the fark does that make any sense?
 
2014-01-09 10:30:32 AM  
This just in: oil producing country with only 5 million people is rich when it doesn't give the money straight to a royal family.
 
2014-01-09 10:32:06 AM  

chasd00: ugh Norway has a very small, homogenous (with respect to race and religion) population, and is very rich from their oil reserves. Any comparison between Norway and the US is stupid.


The US is the richest nation on Earth.  And anytime somebody trots out the "we're not homogenous" line, I tag them as a closet racist.
 
2014-01-09 10:32:09 AM  
Norway actually taxes its rich people.
 
2014-01-09 10:32:20 AM  

DarnoKonrad: chasd00: ugh Norway has a very small, homogenous (with respect to race and religion) population, and is very rich from their oil reserves. Any comparison between Norway and the US is stupid.


always with the "homogenous" stuff.  Which means what exactly?  You can't have sound policy without everyone being of the same ethnicity and culture?  How the fark does that make any sense?


it makes sense because people of the same race and religion are a lot easier to get in agreement. Put a muslim, a christian, and a budist in a room and ask them about prayer in school. Then put 3 muslims in a room at ask them about prayer in school. It's a lot easier to get things done when everyone has the same basic views and belief systems.
 
2014-01-09 10:32:53 AM  

moocifer: This just in: oil producing country with only 5 million people is rich when it doesn't give the money straight to a royal family.


Does the CEO class count as a royal family now?
 
2014-01-09 10:33:26 AM  
Must be nice sitting on all that oil and then having another country defend you with other people's money.

God bless the Industrial War Complex
 
2014-01-09 10:33:55 AM  
Now if we would have done this instead of investing in the stoopid lockbox full of treasuries that we will have to pay ourselves back when the time comes to cash them in.
 
2014-01-09 10:34:48 AM  

moocifer: This just in: oil producing country with only 5 million people is rich when it doesn't give the money straight to a royal family.



United States is an oil producing country.  A big one. #3 in fact.  What exactly makes us socialize oil exploration yet privatize the profits again?
 
2014-01-09 10:34:57 AM  

chasd00: It's a lot easier to get things done when everyone has the same basic views and belief systems.


The "Greatest Nation on Earth" can't do it because it's too hard?
 
2014-01-09 10:35:59 AM  

qorkfiend: chasd00: It's a lot easier to get things done when everyone has the same basic views and belief systems.

The "Greatest Nation on Earth" can't do it because it's too hard?


What does North Korea have to do with this?
 
2014-01-09 10:36:02 AM  
If you don't have  prayer in school, you can't balance the budget, you stupid libtardos.
 
2014-01-09 10:36:05 AM  
When the US gov was starting to run a surplus, it was the GOP's philosophy to ensure we didn't have one, so they cut itty-bitty checks to people early in GW Bush's first term to get rid of it, then 'fixed' the problem by lowering taxes on high income earners.

Their philosophy was that they needed to starve government and ONLY cut spending, and ensure taxes were never high enough to pay down the debt.  This would - somehow - solve what they considered out of control entitlements.

Needless to say, this was a brainless philosophy, and we've been paying for it ever since.
 
2014-01-09 10:36:27 AM  

chasd00: DarnoKonrad: chasd00: ugh Norway has a very small, homogenous (with respect to race and religion) population, and is very rich from their oil reserves. Any comparison between Norway and the US is stupid.


always with the "homogenous" stuff.  Which means what exactly?  You can't have sound policy without everyone being of the same ethnicity and culture?  How the fark does that make any sense?

it makes sense because people of the same race and religion are a lot easier to get in agreement. Put a muslim, a christian, and a budist in a room and ask them about prayer in school. Then put 3 muslims in a room at ask them about prayer in school. It's a lot easier to get things done when everyone has the same basic views and belief systems.


Does not follow.  Just asserting this nonsense is not a rationale.


Being "homogenous" has nothing to do with whether we chose to nationalize our oil resources for the greater good.
 
2014-01-09 10:37:09 AM  

HeartBurnKid: chasd00: ugh Norway has a very small, homogenous (with respect to race and religion) population, and is very rich from their oil reserves. Any comparison between Norway and the US is stupid.

The US is the richest nation on Earth.  And anytime somebody trots out the "we're not homogenous" line, I tag them as a closet racist.



yep; standard reply from white nationalists.
 
2014-01-09 10:37:11 AM  

HeartBurnKid: chasd00: ugh Norway has a very small, homogenous (with respect to race and religion) population, and is very rich from their oil reserves. Any comparison between Norway and the US is stupid.

The US is the richest nation on Earth.  And anytime somebody trots out the "we're not homogenous" line, I tag them as a closet racist.


Yeah, the homogeneous line is basically an obvious dog whistle for racist thinking nowadays.  It's nonsense.
 
2014-01-09 10:37:23 AM  
sinks deeper in debt


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2014-01-09 10:38:41 AM  

moocifer: This just in: oil producing country with only 5 million people is rich when it doesn't give the money straight to a royal family.


you win one internet today, sir.
 
2014-01-09 10:39:48 AM  
www.bouldermedia.tv
 
2014-01-09 10:40:21 AM  
It's a country the size of California with a population of 5 million people.  California has 38 million.   It's rich with oil income that accounts for 25% of its GDP .  It uses taxes to fund universal health care, social security, subsidized higher education.  And it's socialist.
 
2014-01-09 10:42:15 AM  

chasd00: it makes sense because people of the same race and religion are a lot easier to get in agreement. Put a muslim, a christian, and a budist in a room and ask them about prayer in school. Then put 3 muslims in a room at ask them about prayer in school. It's a lot easier to get things done when everyone has the same basic views and belief systems.


Put a muslim, a christian, and a budist in a room and ask them about tax policy. Then put 3 muslims in a room at ask them about tax policy.
 
2014-01-09 10:42:30 AM  

whitman00: It's a country the size of California with a population of 5 million people.  California has 38 million.   It's rich with oil income that accounts for 25% of its GDP .  It uses taxes to fund universal health care, social security, subsidized higher education.   And it's socialist.


www.minddisorders.com

OMG WTF BBQ PANIC PANIC PANIC SOCZIALIISM!! OMG SOSIALISM!!

CALL farkING GLENN BECK.
 
2014-01-09 10:42:48 AM  
Norway, that's the one with a 1% wealth tax, right?

Of course they did, then, because mechanically, that's one of the best tax systems..
 
2014-01-09 10:43:51 AM  

Wellon Dowd: Put a muslim, a christian, and a budist in a room and ask them about tax policy. Then put 3 muslims in a room at ask them about tax policy.


Transcript of that session:

Muslim: "Kill the Jew!"
Christian: "Kill the Muslim!"
Buddhist:  "Kill the farking lights, I am trying to sleep here!"
 
2014-01-09 10:46:01 AM  

HeartBurnKid: chasd00: ugh Norway has a very small, homogenous (with respect to race and religion) population, and is very rich from their oil reserves. Any comparison between Norway and the US is stupid.

The US is the richest nation on Earth.  And anytime somebody trots out the "we're not homogenous" line, I tag them as a closet racist.


You might want to reassess that impulse. The differences within the US also reflect public policy decisions, not to mention the time and money that is then spent to reinforce these divisions. The comparisons between Norway and the US are kind of stupid, considering that they also don't spend as much of their budget on defense, nor do they have the infrastructure to maintain that the US has, nor do they piss away as much on contracting as the US does. Their crime statistics are a bit different than the US as well--also going back to those public policy decisions that reinforce divisions within their population, which likewise link up to healthcare and education differences.

The divisions within our population, heavily linked to income disparity as well as within ethnic and religious bounds, cost the US millions to maintain, and are quite heavily linked to disparities in education policy as well as with economic development, wage disparity, and keeping the market heavily weighted to an assisted market model. Looking at Norway and the US models is not terribly useful, because of those very differences in population, size, not to mention our market models. Ignoring the fact that we have deep divisions within our population, not just within income disparity, but along ethnic origin and religious differences ignores factors that we need to be discussing if we want to make any headway. That public policy keeps those divisions firmly entrenched and reinforces them, and is even strategic in elections is more than just troubling, and ignoring it is a sure fire way to keep those issues alive, well, and sliding cash to politicians to maintain that status quo.
 
2014-01-09 10:46:18 AM  

chasd00: ugh Norway has a very small, homogenous (with respect to race and religion) population, and is very rich from their oil reserves. Any comparison between Norway and the US is stupid.


Exxon Mobil runs a metric assload of ads every day telling me how much oil and natural gas we produce here in the US. Why aren't we "very rich"? Are minorities to blame for that too?
 
2014-01-09 10:47:17 AM  

Robyr: Tr0mBoNe:

Most Canadians are cynical enough to know that a tax cut now means a tax hike later.


That isn't cynicism. Thats call good sense. A tax cut should be a temporary thing.


No, it should be permanent coupled with an even greater cut in spending.  We spend too much money.  It's something any bankruptcy attorney can tell you.  When you're in debt, cut the farking spending.
 
2014-01-09 10:47:45 AM  
Sounds like social democracy with a responsible fiscal apparatus might work.  Shocking, I know.  Well, not shocking to me...  social democracy is pretty much the best way to go if you want to maximize class mobility while still preserving individual freedom.
 
2014-01-09 10:49:30 AM  

chasd00: DarnoKonrad: chasd00: ugh Norway has a very small, homogenous (with respect to race and religion) population, and is very rich from their oil reserves. Any comparison between Norway and the US is stupid.


always with the "homogenous" stuff.  Which means what exactly?  You can't have sound policy without everyone being of the same ethnicity and culture?  How the fark does that make any sense?

it makes sense because people of the same race and religion are a lot easier to get in agreement. Put a muslim, a christian, and a budist in a room and ask them about prayer in school. Then put 3 muslims in a room at ask them about prayer in school. It's a lot easier to get things done when everyone has the same basic views and belief systems.


No, the only sense that comes from it is that white people will not whine that their money might be helping brown people, too. Ever notice that the stories of "welfare abuse" always seem to be about someone whose skin is not white? Is there welfare abuse among white recipients? Sure. But that won't piss off the white majority as much as welfare abuse by people that they see as "other." So, it isn't about agreement. It is about racism.
 
2014-01-09 10:50:49 AM  

Wendy's Chili: chasd00: ugh Norway has a very small, homogenous (with respect to race and religion) population, and is very rich from their oil reserves. Any comparison between Norway and the US is stupid.

Exxon Mobil runs a metric assload of ads every day telling me how much oil and natural gas we produce here in the US. Why aren't we "very rich"? Are minorities to blame for that too?


Excluding the race angle from the argument, can you really not think of why the US isn't flush with cash?
 
2014-01-09 10:51:41 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: When you're in debt, cut the farking spending.


You should quit your job too, right? Because that's what a tax cut amounts to.
 
2014-01-09 10:52:02 AM  
There's a whole lot of Norwegian Exceptionalism in this thread...
 
2014-01-09 10:52:22 AM  
We need the money for Bridge studies.
 
2014-01-09 10:53:09 AM  
Yea but how many wars do they have?
 
2014-01-09 10:53:33 AM  

redmid17: Excluding the race angle from the argument, can you really not think of why the US isn't flush with cash?


We keep pissing it away on protracted wars in southern Asia?
 
2014-01-09 10:53:56 AM  

chasd00: DarnoKonrad: chasd00: ugh Norway has a very small, homogenous (with respect to race and religion) population, and is very rich from their oil reserves. Any comparison between Norway and the US is stupid.


always with the "homogenous" stuff.  Which means what exactly?  You can't have sound policy without everyone being of the same ethnicity and culture?  How the fark does that make any sense?

it makes sense because people of the same race and religion are a lot easier to get in agreement. Put a muslim, a christian, and a budist in a room and ask them about prayer in school. Then put 3 muslims in a room at ask them about prayer in school. It's a lot easier to get things done when everyone has the same basic views and belief systems.


IMO the more plausible explanation is that it's easier to get the voting public to support taxation to pay for social welfare policies when they don't think it's going to "those dirty [insert scapegoated minority group here]".
 
2014-01-09 10:54:16 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: redmid17: Excluding the race angle from the argument, can you really not think of why the US isn't flush with cash?

We keep pissing it away on protracted wars in southern Asia?


We also keep giving bundles of cash in corporate welfare.
 
2014-01-09 10:57:06 AM  

qorkfiend: Smeggy Smurf: When you're in debt, cut the farking spending.

You should quit your job too, right? Because that's what a tax cut amounts to.


This, and comparing a household budget and a governmental budget is like comparing clipping your nails to open heart surgery.  It's a massive oversimplification.  When you cut the wrong program in a federal budget your debt goes UP.
 
2014-01-09 10:57:27 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: There's a whole lot of Norwegian Exceptionalism in this thread...


Hey, they are only ranked 9th in educational success.
//looks down the list to see the US and says oh not much to say here.
 
2014-01-09 10:58:04 AM  

redmid17: Wendy's Chili: chasd00: ugh Norway has a very small, homogenous (with respect to race and religion) population, and is very rich from their oil reserves. Any comparison between Norway and the US is stupid.

Exxon Mobil runs a metric assload of ads every day telling me how much oil and natural gas we produce here in the US. Why aren't we "very rich"? Are minorities to blame for that too?

Excluding the race angle from the argument, can you really not think of why the US isn't flush with cash?


Certainly. We don't collect enough in taxes and we purchase enough military hardware every year to conquer the globe ten times over. We also have to directly support a large chunk of the population because we don't care if business pay poverty wages or steal pensions.

But I'd still like to see chasd00 defend his theory.
 
2014-01-09 10:58:14 AM  
While I agree Norway does a lot of things well, if you took all the oil Texas produces and gave it to Minnesota. Then told Minnesota they wouldn't have to pay federal taxes but would be defended by the US. It would be pretty close to what Norway is.
 
2014-01-09 11:00:03 AM  
This is the fault of socialism, I'm sure.
 
2014-01-09 11:00:08 AM  

hubiestubert: HeartBurnKid: chasd00: ugh Norway has a very small, homogenous (with respect to race and religion) population, and is very rich from their oil reserves. Any comparison between Norway and the US is stupid.

The US is the richest nation on Earth.  And anytime somebody trots out the "we're not homogenous" line, I tag them as a closet racist.

You might want to reassess that impulse. The differences within the US also reflect public policy decisions, not to mention the time and money that is then spent to reinforce these divisions. The comparisons between Norway and the US are kind of stupid, considering that they also don't spend as much of their budget on defense, nor do they have the infrastructure to maintain that the US has, nor do they piss away as much on contracting as the US does. Their crime statistics are a bit different than the US as well--also going back to those public policy decisions that reinforce divisions within their population, which likewise link up to healthcare and education differences.

The divisions within our population, heavily linked to income disparity as well as within ethnic and religious bounds, cost the US millions to maintain, and are quite heavily linked to disparities in education policy as well as with economic development, wage disparity, and keeping the market heavily weighted to an assisted market model. Looking at Norway and the US models is not terribly useful, because of those very differences in population, size, not to mention our market models. Ignoring the fact that we have deep divisions within our population, not just within income disparity, but along ethnic origin and religious differences ignores factors that we need to be discussing if we want to make any headway. That public policy keeps those divisions firmly entrenched and reinforces them, and is even strategic in elections is more than just troubling, and ignoring it is a sure fire way to keep those issues alive, well, and sliding cash to politicians to maintai ...


Not a single word of what you've said has anything to do with homogeneity.  Diversity is not why we have  military industrial complex for example.


There's lots of reasons why we don't have a functioning social democracy, but it's not diversity.    Good public policy is not a function of hair color and religious belief.
 
2014-01-09 11:00:45 AM  
I wonder what the relative size of the countries' defense budgets are?  Coincidence?
 
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