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(Mother Jones)   You think that expensive organic chicken that you buy is a lot safer than regular chicken? Think again   (motherjones.com) divider line 37
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2014-01-08 07:53:52 PM
9 votes:
You think that expensive organic chicken that you buy is a lot safer than regular chicken?

No.

Wash your hands, clean your cutting boards and cook your goddamn food properly.
2014-01-09 12:33:32 AM
3 votes:

dpzum1: fusillade762: You think that expensive organic chicken that you buy is a lot safer than regular chicken?

No.

Wash your hands, clean your cutting boards and cook your goddamn food properly.

THIS

That is all, no matter WHAT kind of poultry you eat(and I eat organic)...


Cutting boards is where most people fail big time. At a minimum use one side exclusively for meats and the other side exclusively for veggies. Always. And clean the hell out of them after every single use before anything has time to dry. Even better have 2 and save one just for meats and one just for fruits and veggies. Cross contamination is what gets people sick. If you like rare to medium rare beef (like one should) have a separate one just for beef just in case the pork or chicken left behind some cooties that you missed. You can buy them in different colors so there's no reason to mix them up and if you are choosy you can even get them sized to fit inside your sink lip so that they will sit right over the sink and the blood or whatever will drain right off into it keeping it off of your counter (another common source of cross contamination). Don't have room for them? Get a glass one that won't mar and catch the bacteria (but it will dull your knives faster so keep that in mind).

And for gods sake never use any of them for baking. Ever. Get a good wooden one for that and keep it as dry as you can.

Finally don't lean them against each other, especially if there's even a bit of damp on them.

\cutting boards are bacteria sponges.
2014-01-08 08:00:53 PM
3 votes:
You think that expensive organic chicken that you buy is a lot safer than regular chicken?

No, but I like to pretend it was raised more humanely.
2014-01-09 12:34:58 AM
2 votes:
One thing I definitely buy organic is milk. That shiat lasts a long time.
2014-01-09 12:24:31 AM
2 votes:

Boo_Guy: Well that's it I'm only buying inorganic chicken from now on!

Solid Muldoon: They say that human flesh tastes like chicken. Which means that chicken tastes like human flesh.

Food for thought. Or not. Seriously, don't think about it.

I've heard it tastes sweeter than chicken.

/If I ever crash in the mountains I'll get to find out. *drool*
//Fire roasted Steve!


Human tastes like pork.
2014-01-09 12:21:01 AM
2 votes:

Cup_O_Jo: So wait I should by non organic chicken because it is safer? LMFAO---Something tells me the writer is a VEGAN and wants me to be VEGAN. I am not buying it because it is "safer" I am buying it because cage free means happier chickens which means TASTIER chickens.


I prefer free-range (or at least cage-free) but don't give a damn whether it's "organic."

/carbon-based chicken? plenty organic for me
2014-01-09 12:20:01 AM
2 votes:

Ima4nic8or: This just confirms what I have always thought; there is only one significant difference between "organic" and regular versions of a particular food item...........cost.

Organic food is one of the greatest scams ever pulled on the American people.


It doesn't smell, doesn't turn into a "puck" when you cook it (wtf) and the chickens are happier when their heads are cut off... Come on man, haven't you read the thread?
2014-01-09 12:10:42 AM
2 votes:

Cup_O_Jo: So wait I should by non organic chicken because it is safer? LMFAO---Something tells me the writer is a VEGAN and wants me to be VEGAN. I am not buying it because it is "safer" I am buying it because cage free means happier chickens which means TASTIER chickens.


Organic doesn't mean cage free.
2014-01-08 11:51:41 PM
2 votes:
You think that expensive organic chicken that you buy is a lot safer than regular chicken?

Safer?  No.  Better tasting?  Hell yes.  Actually gets bigger and retains its juices while I cook it instead of shriveling into a dry puck?  Yes.  More Nutritious?  Not sure about chicken, but for many foods yes.

Also, as a hunter I appreciate knowing that my food may have lived a less tortured life.  I take a lot of pride in the fact that when I kill prey it lived a decent life up until the moment a predator quickly ended it, and I'd like to extend that to the rest of my eating habits.
2014-01-08 11:47:37 PM
2 votes:

Mitch Taylor's Bro: bronyaur1: No, but I do think that it tastes like an actual chicken instead of tofu.

Pretty much this. I'd actually expect it to be more dangerous because, in addition to the super-bacteria, it would also have the regular bacteria antibiotics are supposed to suppress.


Or we could just start vaccinating our goddamn chickens like the rest of the civilized world does... The US has nearly a million reported cases of salmonella poisoning every year. You know how many the UK had in 2010? <500. More people died from salmonella in the US than got sick in the UK.


Solid Muldoon: They say that human flesh tastes like chicken. Which means that chicken tastes like human flesh.

Food for thought. Or not. Seriously, don't think about it.


Pork, not chicken.
2014-01-08 08:13:55 PM
2 votes:
No, but I do think that it tastes like an actual chicken instead of tofu.
2014-01-09 08:06:56 AM
1 votes:

ErinPac: nickerj1: Growing up around Purdue poultry farms in MD, I actually read the article and the studies he linked to. The author of that article is an idiot.

The article linked to multiple studies.  He seems to reference at least 4.  He even points out that the studies testing the farms, which is one of the graphs you linked, found less resistant bacteria.  He also points out that studies testing the meat in the supermarket (the consumer reports and FDA tests) found no significant difference in the rates of drug resistant bacteria, but they do not know why, though he suggests some possibilities such as slaughterhouse contamination.  It's good you read one of the linked studies, but it doesn't sound like you got past the intro of the actual article. The contradiction you are complaining about is the main point of most of the article.

So if resistant strains appear to develop much less frequently on organically managed chicken farms, why do they show up at the same alarming rates in organic chicken on the supermarket shelf? Urvashi Rangan, director of consumer safety and sustainability for Consumers Union, which publishes Consumer Reports, says no clear explanation has emerged. ...


Read the consumerist study his whole article is hinged on.  Go ahead, read it.  Tell me where it says the rate of contamination of drug resistantbacteria is the same in both supermarket organic chicken and supermarket conventional chicken.

Show your work.  Presuming the author is correct merely because he wrote 100 paragraphs based on LEAPING TO CONCLUSIONS isn't sufficient, sorry.

Hint: It doesn't.
2014-01-09 06:47:29 AM
1 votes:

nickerj1: Growing up around Purdue poultry farms in MD, I actually read the article and the studies he linked to. The author of that article is an idiot.


The article linked to multiple studies.  He seems to reference at least 4.  He even points out that the studies testing the farms, which is one of the graphs you linked, found less resistant bacteria.  He also points out that studies testing the meat in the supermarket (the consumer reports and FDA tests) found no significant difference in the rates of drug resistant bacteria, but they do not know why, though he suggests some possibilities such as slaughterhouse contamination.  It's good you read one of the linked studies, but it doesn't sound like you got past the intro of the actual article. The contradiction you are complaining about is the main point of most of the article.

So if resistant strains appear to develop much less frequently on organically managed chicken farms, why do they show up at the same alarming rates in organic chicken on the supermarket shelf? Urvashi Rangan, director of consumer safety and sustainability for Consumers Union, which publishes Consumer Reports, says no clear explanation has emerged. ...
2014-01-09 01:53:16 AM
1 votes:
Growing up around Purdue poultry farms in MD, I actually read the article and the studies he linked to.  The author of that article is an idiot.

Facts based on the two studies (one conducted in the poultry houses comparing organic vs conventional; one based on chicken pulled from supermarket shelves identifying various bacteria).
1.  All the shiat in every poultry house contains Enterococcus, regardless of whether it's organic or conventional.

ehp.niehs.nih.gov
The authors themselves note that:
Poultry litter was the principal environmental media for the recovery of Enterococcus spp. from both farm types, with 100% of all litter samples testing positive;

2.
An analysis of the recovered/identified strains, when applied with antibiotics, showed more of the strains isolated from conventional farms tend to be more antibiotic resistant.
3. The supermarket study found that both organic and conventional chickens have the same rate of contamination of a major bacteria.
4. Of all the chicken tested in the supermarket study, around 50% of the bacteria was antibiotic resistant.
5. Antibiotics, when applied, kill non-resistant strains of Enterococcus and leave only resistant strains of Enterococcus behind.


Now that we have the facts from the studies, let's do some rationale thinking:
- Fact 2 in view of Fact 5 is a "no shiat, sherlock" moment.  Yes, of all the isolated strains of enterococcus, the conventional poultry houses have a higher rate of drug-resistant strains.  All the non-resistant strains are f'ing dead, dipshiat.

- Supermarket study did not at all conclude or assert "organic supermarket chicken has the same rate of drug-resistant bacteria as conventional supermarket chicken", which the author asserts.  The study found that 98% of all supermarket chicken has some form of dangerous bacteria, that both organic and conventional have the same contamination rate of any-bacteria (gasp, they're both almost 100%!!!. Who would have guessed that given the total contamination rate was almost 100%).

- "Of all the bacteria strains tested, 50% were drug resistant" does NOT imply "same rate of drug resistant bacteria in conventional chicken as organic chicken".  Since pretty much all chicken is contaminated, if 100% of the bacteria in conventional chicken was drug resistant, and 0% of organic chicken was found to be not drug resistant, you'd arrive at the conclusion that 50% of the bacteria was drug resistant.
2014-01-09 01:51:45 AM
1 votes:

Don't Troll Me Bro!: You think that expensive organic chicken that you buy is a lot safer than regular chicken?

Safer?  No.  Better tasting?  Hell yes.  Actually gets bigger and retains its juices while I cook it instead of shriveling into a dry puck?  Yes.  More Nutritious?  Not sure about chicken, but for many foods yes.

Also, as a hunter I appreciate knowing that my food may have lived a less tortured life.  I take a lot of pride in the fact that when I kill prey it lived a decent life up until the moment a predator quickly ended it, and I'd like to extend that to the rest of my eating habits.


Organic standards for poultry don't require much more than organic feed + no antibiotics.  The birds can still be de-beaked, housed in crowded facilities, and all the other conditions that battery chickens have to suffer.  Only free-range, humanely-raise, and pastured chickens have specific living conditions requirements.
2014-01-09 01:24:25 AM
1 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Excellent username/post combo


I've experienced the regret of bad chicken exactly *once*. Never again. It never made it to my ass though. I was puking up that taste for two days as my system went into full reverse. I only had that ever happen once before with an unfortunate "Shamrock shake" incident back in the 80's. Never had one since and don't ever plan on it.

I eat chicken regularly (I'd call it half a chicken a week or so on average) and probably once every couple of years I get "tinny" smelling chicken. It goes back every time and they replace it with no problems or questions.
2014-01-09 01:23:12 AM
1 votes:

Ima4nic8or: This just confirms what I have always thought; there is only one significant difference between "organic" and regular versions of a particular food item...........cost.

Organic food is one of the greatest scams ever pulled on the American people.


If you are ever in the DC Metro area, please stop by, and we can do a blind taste test comparing standard store-bought eggs and the ones my free-roaming, organically fed flock lays. There's a reason my neighbors (who couldn't care less about Organic labelling) will wait for weeks for the privilege of paying us over $4/dozen: they're really superior to the mass-production product. It's just that simple.
2014-01-09 01:17:39 AM
1 votes:

Cyno01: Mitch Taylor's Bro: bronyaur1: No, but I do think that it tastes like an actual chicken instead of tofu.

Pretty much this. I'd actually expect it to be more dangerous because, in addition to the super-bacteria, it would also have the regular bacteria antibiotics are supposed to suppress.

Or we could just start vaccinating our goddamn chickens like the rest of the civilized world does... The US has nearly a million reported cases of salmonella poisoning every year. You know how many the UK had in 2010? <500. More people died from salmonella in the US than got sick in the UK.


I was going to write something snarky about autistic chickens, but was intrigued by the idea of vaccinating chickens for salmonella. Turns out you're right, and the FDA didn't feel like mandating it!

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/25/business/25vaccine.html?pagewanted =a ll&_r=0

Thanks for edu-ma-cating me :-)
2014-01-09 01:15:20 AM
1 votes:

fusillade762: You think that expensive organic chicken that you buy is a lot safer than regular chicken?

No.

Wash your hands, clean your cutting boards and cook your goddamn food properly.


If ever there was a thread that was over in one, this is it.
2014-01-09 01:05:13 AM
1 votes:
There's a reason it's called long pig.
2014-01-09 01:03:36 AM
1 votes:

fusillade762: You think that expensive organic chicken that you buy is a lot safer than regular chicken?

No.

Wash your hands, clean your cutting boards and cook your goddamn food properly.


^^ yup

(and anyone that compares organic to manufactured based solely on food poisoning, that aint the point, but whatever - eat well)
2014-01-09 12:56:07 AM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: This. I was never under the impression ANY chicken was "safe."


It isn't. It can go bad in a couple of hours or less if it wasn't handled properly by people you don't know in places that you have no control over. It can go bad in your trunk as you drive home from the store. If you can catch even the slightest smell that I can only describe as "Tinny" don't eat it. Ever. Toss it or take it back. If you bite into it and you get even a slight (Tinny again) taste spit it out. It can "Look" good and still be bad. The date and label on the package means squat as far as I'm concerned. I've gotten bad chicken from reputable chain stores with reputable labels on them. Shiat happens in the supply chain and a good store will make it right, especially with chicken.
2014-01-09 12:40:20 AM
1 votes:

fusillade762: You think that expensive organic chicken that you buy is a lot safer than regular chicken?

No.

Wash your hands, clean your cutting boards and cook your goddamn food properly.


This. I was never under the impression ANY chicken was "safe."
2014-01-09 12:27:51 AM
1 votes:
If it isn't chemically separated and shaped into little nuggets, I ain't eating no chicken.

/two things of sweet and sour, please
//scratch that, one sweet and sour, one barbecue
///on second thought, can I get a double cheeseburger?
2014-01-09 12:23:15 AM
1 votes:
I don't buy it because it's safer. I buy it because it says "organic" on the label, and I can lord it over all you inferior beings who buy "ordinary" chicken.
2014-01-09 12:15:43 AM
1 votes:
This just confirms what I have always thought; there is only one significant difference between "organic" and regular versions of a particular food item...........cost.

Organic food is one of the greatest scams ever pulled on the American people.
2014-01-09 12:08:19 AM
1 votes:
So wait I should by non organic chicken because it is safer? LMFAO---Something tells me the writer is a VEGAN and wants me to be VEGAN. I am not buying it because it is "safer" I am buying it because cage free means happier chickens which means TASTIER chickens.
2014-01-09 12:00:49 AM
1 votes:

fusillade762: You think that expensive organic chicken that you buy is a lot safer than regular chicken?

No.

Wash your hands, clean your cutting boards and cook your goddamn food properly.


THIS

That is all, no matter WHAT kind of poultry you eat(and I eat organic)...
2014-01-08 11:53:25 PM
1 votes:

plushpuppy: bronyaur1: No, but I do think that it tastes like an actual chicken instead of tofu.

This. Plus I get mine from a local butcher, not a Supermarket


Who gets his meat from the same food distributor as your supermarket.
2014-01-08 11:51:01 PM
1 votes:
If you eat under-cooked poultry, you deserve what you get.
2014-01-08 11:47:09 PM
1 votes:
Are the organic chickens fed cow or chicken meat? Because I know that's where I get my antibiotics.
2014-01-08 11:40:44 PM
1 votes:
oblig

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2014-01-08 11:09:26 PM
1 votes:
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2014-01-08 09:50:40 PM
1 votes:

shanrick: There's not much difference between an organically raise chicken and a traditionally raised chicken when it comes to farking.


Keep on farking that chicken is what I say.
2014-01-08 09:30:04 PM
1 votes:

bronyaur1: No, but I do think that it tastes like an actual chicken instead of tofu.


Pretty much this. I'd actually expect it to be more dangerous because, in addition to the super-bacteria, it would also have the regular bacteria antibiotics are supposed to suppress.
2014-01-08 08:55:33 PM
1 votes:
You think this is the real Quaid?

It is.
2014-01-08 07:58:30 PM
1 votes:
After having worked with people who were responsible for drawing up regulations for "Organic Food" in Canada (which were eventually not approved), they won't touch anything labelled "Organic" in Canada without doing some pretty in-depth research. So no, I don't think that organic chicken is any safer than the farm factory mutant chickyn* that I get at the grocery store.

* I know they don't technically have 6 legs and 6 wings and live short lives of utter misery, but even if they did I wouldn't give a damn as long as they tasted delicious.
 
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