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2014-01-08 11:32:38 PM  

arcas: So if it can be shown that someone's death could have been prevented had emergency vehicles been able to reach the scene sooner and that the bridge delay was the root cause, can these aides be prosecuted for manslaughter?


I guess you could also prosecute Cory Booker for 111 Murders last year in his city after he fired a bunch of cops.......
 
2014-01-08 11:35:27 PM  

Darth Macho: HKW: BigOle8point: I hope a bunch of heads roll over this. How in the heck could you have so much hate inside you to fark the general public like that? Including your own constituents?

The same hate that would force vets of an open mall 'because its closed'.

Somehow I don't think the government shutdown went down like this:

From: POTUS
To: Secretary of the Interior
-Time for some closed national parks.

From: Secretary of the Interior
To: POTUS
-I feel badly about the retired vets.

From: POTUS
To: Secretary of the Interior
-They are the grandparents of Boehner voters.

But that's just me.



But who spends more money closing a park, with law enforcement detail than if they just 'left it'?


When a company closes a factory, they don't hire 20 armed security guards to guard the place, they pack up and leave......
 
2014-01-08 11:37:00 PM  

s2s2s2: So another typical day in politics.


Digging up dirt on your opponent is typical politics. Twisting something your opponent said is typical politics. Selectively editing their words in an ad is typical politics.

Jamming up traffic to carry out a vendetta against someone who refused to endorse you is anything but typical politics. It delayed school buses and slowed down ambulances, endangering the lives of citizens.

Now you may believe Christie wasn't involved. He had no knowledge. He was still

1. Joking about the incident
2. Supporting the lie that the cause was a traffic study
3. Calling it no big deal
4. Claiming his staff had nothing to do with it

And maybe you still believe Christie had no knowledge, despite the fact that

1. His Deputy Chief of Staff Bridget Kelly ordered the lane closures
2. His port authority appointed executive (and high school buddy with no transportation experience) David Wildstein replied "Got it", implying this plan had been discussed earlier
3. They both joked about the mayor's desperate pleas for help, and about kids being late for school (but they were the kids of voters of Democratic opponent Buono - har har!)
4. His PA Chairman David Samson being knowledgeable, and lying about what happened
5. His press secretary Michael Dewniak being knowledgeable, and lying about what happened
6. His campaign manager Bill Stepien being knowledgeable, and lying about what happened

Pretty much every major player in his administration was a part of or knew what was happening, and lied about it. But Christie didn't? Sure. Okay. At best he's completely incompetent and clueless as to what his staff is up to. That's if you believe he didn't know. Which is a giant if that I can only see someone accepting because their intense partisanship takes precedence over their need to observe the situation objectively and be honest with themselves. Regardless, nothing about this is typical politics. Not even close.
 
2014-01-08 11:37:42 PM  
 
2014-01-08 11:39:33 PM  

thurstonxhowell: TDS went with "E-mail Chains, Lanes, and Automobiles". Not a bad headline, but I think some Farkers did better.  Darth Machohad a better not fat joke with "Jersey Turnspite". I think we can all agree that coeyagiwins for best fat joke with "Portly Authority". "The Bridges of Fattison County", from the same contributor, definitely deserves an honorable mention.


Hey, I can do a fat joke too! Umm.... 'George Washington Clogger'?
 
2014-01-08 11:39:36 PM  

Hollie Maea: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: It's always slightly surprising to me what pols get away with easily and what they have trouble with. Playing politics with public resources is the kind of thing I would expect a big city mayor to be doing pretty much ALL the time. This bridge thing seems kind of petty for a governor's office, but with no sex or money involved, I'd have thought a guy like Christie in a state like NJ might even get away with coming right out and samjacksoning it. "You're gotdamned right I did..."

Then again maybe I don't entirely understand the underlying shenanigans that they're trying to cover up.

Since it is a federal criminal offense, that might not be a great idea.


The PA is not federal, so what exactly is the federal offense Mr. Prosecutor?
 
2014-01-08 11:41:38 PM  

blackartemis: Chris Christie bikini bridge?


i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-08 11:41:59 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: And if you believe that, he's got a bridge to sell you.


damn beat me by three hours
 
2014-01-08 11:43:21 PM  

what_now: [i.telegraph.co.uk image 460x287]



i78.photobucket.com


"I am not a crook.  Pass the gravy fries."

 
2014-01-08 11:44:06 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: s2s2s2: So another typical day in politics.

Digging up dirt on your opponent is typical politics. Twisting something your opponent said is typical politics. Selectively editing their words in an ad is typical politics.

Jamming up traffic to carry out a vendetta against someone who refused to endorse you is anything but typical politics. It delayed school buses and slowed down ambulances, endangering the lives of citizens.

Now you may believe Christie wasn't involved. He had no knowledge. He was still

1. Joking about the incident
2. Supporting the lie that the cause was a traffic study
3. Calling it no big deal
4. Claiming his staff had nothing to do with it

And maybe you still believe Christie had no knowledge, despite the fact that

1. His Deputy Chief of Staff Bridget Kelly ordered the lane closures
2. His port authority appointed executive (and high school buddy with no transportation experience) David Wildstein replied "Got it", implying this plan had been discussed earlier
3. They both joked about the mayor's desperate pleas for help, and about kids being late for school (but they were the kids of voters of Democratic opponent Buono - har har!)
4. His PA Chairman David Samson being knowledgeable, and lying about what happened
5. His press secretary Michael Dewniak being knowledgeable, and lying about what happened
6. His campaign manager Bill Stepien being knowledgeable, and lying about what happened

Pretty much every major player in his administration was a part of or knew what was happening, and lied about it. But Christie didn't? Sure. Okay. At best he's completely incompetent and clueless as to what his staff is up to. That's if you believe he didn't know. Which is a giant if that I can only see someone accepting because their intense partisanship takes precedence over their need to observe the situation objectively and be honest with themselves. Regardless, nothing about this is typical politics. Not even close.


Of course I link to a breakdown right after yours, which sums it up. One other thing: Wildstein lied to state lawmakers during a hearing. Like the cherry on top of a giant hot fudge sundae of deliciously derailed presidential hopes.
 
2014-01-08 11:44:12 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: s2s2s2: So another typical day in politics.

Digging up dirt on your opponent is typical politics. Twisting something your opponent said is typical politics. Selectively editing their words in an ad is typical politics.

Jamming up traffic to carry out a vendetta against someone who refused to endorse you is anything but typical politics. It delayed school buses and slowed down ambulances, endangering the lives of citizens.

Now you may believe Christie wasn't involved. He had no knowledge. He was still

1. Joking about the incident
2. Supporting the lie that the cause was a traffic study
3. Calling it no big deal
4. Claiming his staff had nothing to do with it

And maybe you still believe Christie had no knowledge, despite the fact that

1. His Deputy Chief of Staff Bridget Kelly ordered the lane closures
2. His port authority appointed executive (and high school buddy with no transportation experience) David Wildstein replied "Got it", implying this plan had been discussed earlier
3. They both joked about the mayor's desperate pleas for help, and about kids being late for school (but they were the kids of voters of Democratic opponent Buono - har har!)
4. His PA Chairman David Samson being knowledgeable, and lying about what happened
5. His press secretary Michael Dewniak being knowledgeable, and lying about what happened
6. His campaign manager Bill Stepien being knowledgeable, and lying about what happened

Pretty much every major player in his administration was a part of or knew what was happening, and lied about it. But Christie didn't? Sure. Okay. At best he's completely incompetent and clueless as to what his staff is up to. That's if you believe he didn't know. Which is a giant if that I can only see someone accepting because their intense partisanship takes precedence over their need to observe the situation objectively and be honest with themselves. Regardless, nothing about this is typical politics. Not even close.


[ohwaityoureseriousletmelaughharder.jpg]
 
2014-01-08 11:44:51 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: Regardless, nothing about this is typical politics. Not even close.



You are not from around here are you?
 
2014-01-08 11:46:58 PM  
Letterman: "I thought this guy was bigger than that."
 
2014-01-08 11:47:30 PM  

s2s2s2: Sick of all this bashing of the Governeator. He's twice the man any of you libs are. Maybe thrice.


We all agree with you. We're just grateful we don't have to sit net to him in Economy Class
 
2014-01-08 11:48:01 PM  

FlashHarry: shocker


FlashHarry: shocker


Gov. Lardass and the shocker?  Eww I just don't need that image in my head.
 
2014-01-08 11:48:17 PM  

s2s2s2: [ohwaityoureseriousletmelaughharder.jpg]


Yeah, that's what I thought.

dantheman195: You are not from around here are you?


Entirely the point - neither are people from the 49 other states.

I mean I get you guys are rushing to your guy's side. All hands on deck. Battle stations. Sure. That's your prerogative, facts be damned. Enjoy that flight on the Hindenburg.
 
2014-01-08 11:48:50 PM  

dantheman195: Darth Macho: HKW: BigOle8point: I hope a bunch of heads roll over this. How in the heck could you have so much hate inside you to fark the general public like that? Including your own constituents?

The same hate that would force vets of an open mall 'because its closed'.

Somehow I don't think the government shutdown went down like this:

From: POTUS
To: Secretary of the Interior
-Time for some closed national parks.

From: Secretary of the Interior
To: POTUS
-I feel badly about the retired vets.

From: POTUS
To: Secretary of the Interior
-They are the grandparents of Boehner voters.

But that's just me.


But who spends more money closing a park, with law enforcement detail than if they just 'left it'?


When a company closes a factory, they don't hire 20 armed security guards to guard the place, they pack up and leave......


Unless that company still owns that closed factory, otherwise they still employ the security guards to guard it.
 
2014-01-08 11:50:01 PM  

dantheman195: Darth Macho: HKW: BigOle8point: I hope a bunch of heads roll over this. How in the heck could you have so much hate inside you to fark the general public like that? Including your own constituents?

The same hate that would force vets of an open mall 'because its closed'.

Somehow I don't think the government shutdown went down like this:

But that's just me.

But who spends more money closing a park, with law enforcement detail than if they just 'left it'?


Probably someone beset by antigovernment protestors who refused public notices not to trespass on unbudgeted and closed federal land. It was a completely unnecessary waste of taxpayer dollars brought on by taxpayers unwilling to just *stay the hell away during the shutdown*.

The shutdown was not a punitive action by the White House. It was the mandatory result of Congress not meeting its budget deadline.
 
2014-01-08 11:50:17 PM  

Confabulat: Well his word is good enough for me. Who ever heard of a politician lying to cover their ass?


in NJ?  never!
 
2014-01-08 11:50:58 PM  

dantheman195: arcas: So if it can be shown that someone's death could have been prevented had emergency vehicles been able to reach the scene sooner and that the bridge delay was the root cause, can these aides be prosecuted for manslaughter?

I guess you could also prosecute Cory Booker for 111 Murders last year in his city after he fired a bunch of cops.......


I am sure you were equally concerned when Bush let 3000 die on 9/11 because he was f*cking around on Aug 6., 2001, or maybe the 4000 Americans he sent to death in Iraq for no f*cking reason.

But no, like a good shill, you'll focus on false equivalencies because you like your potato full-flavored and easy to count.
 
2014-01-08 11:52:15 PM  

dantheman195: The PA is not federal, so what exactly is the federal offense Mr. Prosecutor?


Interfering with interstate commerce is a federal offense.
Obstructing interstate travel is a federal offense.
As an interstate agency, the PANYNJ is under federal oversight.
 
2014-01-08 11:55:23 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: s2s2s2: [ohwaityoureseriousletmelaughharder.jpg]

Yeah, that's what I thought.

dantheman195: You are not from around here are you?

Entirely the point - neither are people from the 49 other states.

I mean I get you guys are rushing to your guy's side. All hands on deck. Battle stations. Sure. That's your prerogative, facts be damned. Enjoy that flight on the Hindenburg.


You misspelled speculation.
 
2014-01-08 11:57:06 PM  

dantheman195: But who spends more money closing a park, with law enforcement detail than if they just 'left it'?


When a company closes a factory, they don't hire 20 armed security guards to guard the place, they pack up and leave......


FTA:

JANESVILLE, Wis. -The symbol of this town's economic past sits rusted and nearly abandoned. The Janesville General Motors plant is still patrolled by a single security guard, who comes up and directs you away from the factory that was once the economic center of this town.

http://www.businessinsider.com/wisconsin-janesville-economy-2012-10# ix zz2psFGbWDs

static3.businessinsider.com

This is a factory that hasn't made a car in 2009, but GM still owns the plant and is currently on "standby".

This is a more apt comparison compared to a factory that's shut down completely. The Government still owns these monuments even during the shutdown. So why are you getting on the Federal Government for doing the same thing with property that they own that GM did with their property in Wisconsin?
 
2014-01-08 11:58:34 PM  

s2s2s2: You misspelled speculation.


So you're going with he's incompetent. I had no idea what my hand-picked and loyal staff was doing over the last two months. That is one option. Good luck.
 
2014-01-09 12:02:20 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: s2s2s2: You misspelled speculation.

So you're going with he's incompetent. I had no idea what my hand-picked and loyal staff was doing over the last two months. That is one option. Good luck.


Nah. I just don't care.
 
2014-01-09 12:02:34 AM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: Here's a great breakdown:

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2014/01/a_guide_to_chri.p hp


So Wildstein has to testify tomorrow? An over/under on the number of "I'll take the Fifth"?

/also Wildstein might be a good name for a beer
 
2014-01-09 12:03:51 AM  

s2s2s2: Nah. I just don't care.


And what better way to show your indifference to this scandal than to show up and post in this thread. Just walk away.
 
2014-01-09 12:05:10 AM  

AGremlin: Awww shucks.  Politics aside, I was hoping his election to president would usher in a new era of obese presidents.



/Outrageous facial hair...optional


Aw shucks. If facial hair is optional, you better be requiring the pocket watch on a chain with fob.
 
2014-01-09 12:10:02 AM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: [blogs.villagevoice.com image 560x420]

Here's Christie's henchwoman. Wait, is that the right word? Farkers, help me here.


"Minion". They like that better than "Henchmen".

static.comicvine.com
 
2014-01-09 12:10:53 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: s2s2s2: [ohwaityoureseriousletmelaughharder.jpg]

Yeah, that's what I thought.

dantheman195: You are not from around here are you?

Entirely the point - neither are people from the 49 other states.

I mean I get you guys are rushing to your guy's side. All hands on deck. Battle stations. Sure. That's your prerogative, facts be damned. Enjoy that flight on the Hindenburg.



Ironic that the Hindenburg also crashed in New Jersey.........
 
2014-01-09 12:16:32 AM  

The Bestest: dantheman195: The PA is not federal, so what exactly is the federal offense Mr. Prosecutor?

Interfering with interstate commerce is a federal offense.
Obstructing interstate travel is a federal offense.
As an interstate agency, the PANYNJ is under federal oversight.



How does the first two apply to 2 lanes on a on ramp to a highway that connects to a bridge?

Other bridges/tunnels were also open

The GWB itself was still open

Heck the GWB usually has lane closures anyways since they have been working on replacing the decking.

PANYNJ is under Federal oversight? They are not doing a good job at it........

A stray dog has closed lanes on the GWB, did the Feds go after the dog?
 
2014-01-09 12:18:07 AM  

dantheman195: Dusk-You-n-Me: s2s2s2: [ohwaityoureseriousletmelaughharder.jpg]

Yeah, that's what I thought.

dantheman195: You are not from around here are you?

Entirely the point - neither are people from the 49 other states.

I mean I get you guys are rushing to your guy's side. All hands on deck. Battle stations. Sure. That's your prerogative, facts be damned. Enjoy that flight on the Hindenburg.


Ironic that the Hindenburg also crashed in New Jersey.........


Which means absolutely nothing in modern day politics.....................

/the .... must mean something!
 
2014-01-09 12:18:22 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: s2s2s2: Nah. I just don't care.

And what better way to show your indifference to this scandal than to show up and post in this thread. Just walk away.


Stuff it, Potsey.
 
2014-01-09 12:19:13 AM  

wildcardjack: Well, you couldn't throw Christie, let alone under a bus.


If someone managed to throw Cristie under a bus, I'd feel sorry for the bus.

Personally I assume that some people voted against Christie because they knew he was the type of shaithead to pull petty crap like this. And the rest voted for Christie because they knew he was the type of shaithead to pull petty crap like this.
 
2014-01-09 12:21:47 AM  
 
2014-01-09 12:26:09 AM  

s2s2s2: Nah. I just don't care.


s2s2s2: looks like the governor may have been told it was for a traffic study, and that it was for a traffic study.


What flailing looks like. He can't help himself.
 
2014-01-09 12:26:26 AM  

dantheman195: How does the first two apply to 2 lanes on a on ramp to a highway that connects to a bridge?


The ramps in question directly impacted the US-46 and US-1/9 approaches, bringing them to a near standstill, which in turn increased congestion on the I-95 and I-80 approaches. It's a loose application, but if a prosecutor wanted to bring those charges against someone, they certainly could.

Other bridges/tunnels were also open

..which cannot be accessed by truck.. which, yanno.. carries the majority of goods in this country

A stray dog has closed lanes on the GWB, did the Feds go after the dog?

Now you're just being obtuse. A stray dog wouldn't INTENTIONALLY and MALICIOUSLY cause a delay, which is pretty much the entire issue here, whether Christie himself is directly involved or not.
 
2014-01-09 12:26:57 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: s2s2s2: Nah. I just don't care.

s2s2s2: looks like the governor may have been told it was for a traffic study, and that it was for a traffic study.

What flailing looks like. He can't help himself.


I can't even tell what's going on in this thread anymore.
 
2014-01-09 12:30:13 AM  

AeAe: LessO2: Witty_Retort: At least nobody died.

Except this woman.

When homicide charges are brought against one of these jokers, someone will roll on Christie.

Calm down, even Dick Wolf or Jack McCoy couldn't make homicide charges stick.  Way too much to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" for homicide.

Take a deep breath and see how things play out.

If I learned anything in my travels in the Internet, it's this:

"Homicide" is not a charge.  It's just legalese for "unnatural death".  So a suicide would a form of homicide.

The charges would be voluntary/involuntary manslaughter or murder .. which comes down to "intent" and malice.

IANAL, but my guess, if appropriate would be involuntary manslaughter.


Not murder, could be criminally negligent homicide though if it's determined that they knew or should have known that the traffic would cause delayed response time for emergency vehicles.

That aside what kind of petty high school level crap was this? I mean seriously? We would have passed on such a lame stunt as beneath us for our senior prank.
 
2014-01-09 12:31:19 AM  

The Bestest: which in turn increased congestion on the I-95 and I-80 approaches.


OK, I'm gonna correct myself here.. reading the emails, it looks like I-95/I-80 traffic actually -lightened- thanks to lanes on the bridge itself being clear from not having all the would-be traffic from US-46/US-1/9
 
2014-01-09 12:34:30 AM  

robodog: AeAe: LessO2: Witty_Retort: At least nobody died.

Except this woman.

When homicide charges are brought against one of these jokers, someone will roll on Christie.

Calm down, even Dick Wolf or Jack McCoy couldn't make homicide charges stick.  Way too much to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" for homicide.

Take a deep breath and see how things play out.

If I learned anything in my travels in the Internet, it's this:

"Homicide" is not a charge.  It's just legalese for "unnatural death".  So a suicide would a form of homicide.

The charges would be voluntary/involuntary manslaughter or murder .. which comes down to "intent" and malice.

IANAL, but my guess, if appropriate would be involuntary manslaughter.

Not murder, could be criminally negligent homicide though if it's determined that they knew or should have known that the traffic would cause delayed response time for emergency vehicles.

That aside what kind of petty high school level crap was this? I mean seriously? We would have passed on such a lame stunt as beneath us for our senior prank.


I think it's indicative of the shop Christie is running.

Something punitive needs to be applied to all those involved.  This shouldn't be how a governor's office is run.
 
2014-01-09 12:35:08 AM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: s2s2s2: Nah. I just don't care.

s2s2s2: looks like the governor may have been told it was for a traffic study, and that it was for a traffic study.

What flailing looks like. He can't help himself.


So you didn't read them.
 
2014-01-09 12:36:01 AM  
This happens here in Seattle on an almost daily basis.  Got a football game at the Clink?  2 lanes of the 520 bridge will be closed so they can do their "annual" (IE 6-7 times a year) analysis of the structural integrity.  Big concert or Mariners game going on?  Major construction on Mercer street, take the side streets.

5-6 times a year traffic up here is gridlocked because of this crap.  Then people complain about the traffic, the Left screams we need more money for transportation; the Right goes apoplectic over taxpayer money wasted and/or not enough roads built.  It's a vicious circle up here and it's disgusting.
 
2014-01-09 12:36:37 AM  
This email is the one that's really damning to me:

htmlimg4.scribdassets.com

("New York Side" likely refers to the Cuomo-appointed people at the PA)
 
2014-01-09 12:36:41 AM  

s2s2s2: Looks like the governor may have been told it was for a traffic study, and that it was for a traffic study.



Why are those documents redacted?


Still interesting to see it was for a Traffic Study, who knew, closing a few lanes from Fort Lee, made the traffic flow better on the other approaches......


I think , I could have told them that without spending 60K and causing a back up into Fort Lee.......
 
2014-01-09 12:39:21 AM  

dantheman195: Still interesting to see it was for a Traffic Study


except, you know, the whole "traffic study" thing was pure bullshiat?

You DO know that's one of the major points here, right?
 
2014-01-09 12:42:17 AM  

The Bestest: except, you know, the whole "traffic study" thing was pure bullshiat?

You DO know that's one of the major points here, right?


It appears that's the punctured life preserver they're going to cling to.
 
2014-01-09 12:42:23 AM  

The Bestest: This email is the one that's really damning to me:

[htmlimg4.scribdassets.com image 850x1094]

("New York Side" likely refers to the Cuomo-appointed people at the PA)


Retaliating for farking with the study isn't retaliating against the mayor of Ft Lee. They just gave another mayor 60k for a traffic study. I'd be pissed, too.
 
2014-01-09 12:42:23 AM  

dantheman195: I think , I could have told them that without spending 60K and causing a back up into Fort Lee.......


Yeah, but then you wouldn't be able to clog up traffic in Ft. Lee out of spite that way.
 
2014-01-09 12:42:42 AM  

The Bestest: dantheman195: How does the first two apply to 2 lanes on a on ramp to a highway that connects to a bridge?

The ramps in question directly impacted the US-46 and US-1/9 approaches, bringing them to a near standstill, which in turn increased congestion on the I-95 and I-80 approaches. It's a loose application, but if a prosecutor wanted to bring those charges against someone, they certainly could.

Other bridges/tunnels were also open

..which cannot be accessed by truck.. which, yanno.. carries the majority of goods in this country

A stray dog has closed lanes on the GWB, did the Feds go after the dog?

Now you're just being obtuse. A stray dog wouldn't INTENTIONALLY and MALICIOUSLY cause a delay, which is pretty much the entire issue here, whether Christie himself is directly involved or not.



Wait they stopped trucks going over the GWB? How? They just don't enter in from Ft. Lee, there were other opened routes


You do know the entire bridge was not closed right?


Two of the three on ramp lanes coming in from Fort Lee were shut down for this "Traffic Study", everything else was still open and operating as usual.


I just want to make that clear....
 
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