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2014-01-08 07:06:19 PM  
My fondest memory is a hockey game--the Rangers versus the Whalers.  The Whalers won the night at MSG, but we had an absolute blast.  The entire stadium was on edge when the Rangers went on a power play and pulled the goalie in the last few seconds, trying to tie the game.  It was exciting, interesting, and, mostly, inexpensive.  All of the fans (even the drunken Whalers ones) were respectful and were just enjoying themselves.
 
2014-01-08 07:09:03 PM  
Having been to both I would imagine it also has something to do with hockey being a faster and more exciting game to watch live.
 
2014-01-08 07:47:34 PM  

Ishkur: Cleveland did just that very thing. It mattered not.


Um, no. If Mo Williams is your second-best player and Mike Brown is your coach...no.

Wow. Do people actually believe that? Now, they might have coddled/kowtowed to LeBron, but that's not building a contender. If the Bulls had listened to Jordan while building a team, they would've had...hell, I don't remember the guy's name, but some random schmuck instead of Scottie Pippen. They never would have contended for a title, and he probably would've skipped town, too. But they were confident enough in themselves to actually make decisions instead of letting the player dictate the show even when he was under contract for several years.

LeBron took that trash team to a Finals mostly because of a weak Eastern Conference, not because of anything the Cavs did.
 
2014-01-08 08:00:39 PM  

IAmRight: Um, no.


Um, yes. Look, your entire argument is that good players want to play for good teams. Aside from it being a catch-22, it's farking garbage. Nobody wanted play in Vancouver, nobody wants to play in Cleveland, nobody wants to play in Toronto, not because they aren't good teams, but because they're not cool cities. They're not sexy like LA or Miami. And there will be a constant flow of talent from Milwaukee and Utah and Sacramento and Memphis and all the second-rate locations so long as the players get to dictate where to play because they don't offer any sizzling off-court benefits.

And if you don't think this is true, you're wrong, because if it wasn't there'd be parity and Lebron would still be playing in front of his hometown.
 
2014-01-08 08:04:39 PM  
The one thing that surprises me is that Ottawa and Edmonton are  not on the list of sellout stadiums. I frankly assumed all of the Canadian franchises would sell out every game.
 
2014-01-08 08:06:19 PM  
I have to say I'm not surprised by the attendance numbers. Hockey fans are a bit more loyal and supportive of their sport and the tickets are more affordable than the NBA average.
Hopefully we'll see a boost in TV numbers too.

I don't foresee a time when the NHL regularly beats the NBA or NASCAR or even PGA in ratings but with a few tweaks to the presentation, the audience will grow a little more.
 
2014-01-08 08:06:52 PM  

Ishkur: Um, yes. Look, your entire argument is that good players want to play for good teams. Aside from it being a catch-22, it's farking garbage. Nobody wanted play in Vancouver, nobody wants to play in Cleveland, nobody wants to play in Toronto, not because they aren't good teams, but because they're not cool cities.


While San Antonio, Indianapolis, and OKC are totally cool cities that EVERYONE wants to play in. Memphis has picked up several good players, including taking Mike Miller back from Miami. And the Jazz were a perennially good team until they got rid of Jerry Sloan.

If you have a good organization, talented people will come. If you don't, then talented people will leave. It's the same as every other business in the world.

Without Pat Riley's presence giving them legitimacy, no one gives a f*ck about Miami and it's not a cool place for an NBA player to be.
 
2014-01-08 08:12:11 PM  

IAmRight: If you have a good organization, talented people will come


Yes, and that's why the NBA is the bastion of parity and equality today, and has attendance figures that rival hockey!
 
2014-01-08 08:40:53 PM  

Primitive Screwhead: I have to say I'm not surprised by the attendance numbers. Hockey fans are a bit more loyal and supportive of their sport and the tickets are more affordable than the NBA average.
Hopefully we'll see a boost in TV numbers too.

I don't foresee a time when the NHL regularly beats the NBA or NASCAR or even PGA in ratings but with a few tweaks to the presentation, the audience will grow a little more.


NHL tickets have been more expensive on average than NBA tickets for many years...

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/8945052/nhl-ticket-price-hike-surp as ses-other-leagues

The reason why the NHL thrives with relatively low TV ratings is because their demographic is among the richest in sports.
 
2014-01-08 08:49:47 PM  

carnifex2005: NHL tickets have been more expensive on average than NBA tickets for many years...

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/8945052/nhl-ticket-price-hike-surp as ses-other-leagues

The reason why the NHL thrives with relatively low TV ratings is because their demographic is among the richest in sports.


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2014-01-08 08:56:43 PM  

Primitive Screwhead: carnifex2005: NHL tickets have been more expensive on average than NBA tickets for many years...

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/8945052/nhl-ticket-price-hike-surp as ses-other-leagues

The reason why the NHL thrives with relatively low TV ratings is because their demographic is among the richest in sports.

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hey congrats!  Your rich!  (Of course if the beer is the same kind of pricing at TD Gahd'n as it is at the ACC, you pretty much need to be)
 
2014-01-08 09:04:19 PM  

twomutts: The one thing that surprises me is that Ottawa and Edmonton are  not on the list of sellout stadiums. I frankly assumed all of the Canadian franchises would sell out every game.


Edmonton is having a terrible year and Ottawa fans are the most fickle you will ever meet in hockey circles.
 
2014-01-08 09:10:10 PM  

sno man: hey congrats!  Your rich!  (Of course if the beer is the same kind of pricing at TD Gahd'n as it is at the ACC, you pretty much need to be)


HA! I pre-game. No way in hell am I paying Garden prices for beer ;)

For what it's worth, the last Bruins game I went to was April 2, 2011, I sat 9 rows away from the glass. I paid $90 and face value was $85.

The last Celtics game I went to was Thanksgiving Eve 2012. I sat 10 rows up from the floor. My friend had won the tix, so I paid nothing and face value was $165.

S
 
2014-01-08 09:12:56 PM  

Flappyhead: twomutts: The one thing that surprises me is that Ottawa and Edmonton are  not on the list of sellout stadiums. I frankly assumed all of the Canadian franchises would sell out every game.

Edmonton is having a terrible year and Ottawa fans are the most fickle you will ever meet in hockey circles.


Also, Ottawa is sorta late to the game compared to Toronto, Montreal, and sells out every one of those games by the fans of the other team.  And is a little like DC in that nearly everyone there is from somewhere else*, and bring their team allegiance with them

*slight exaggeration
 
2014-01-08 09:27:10 PM  

Primitive Screwhead: sno man: hey congrats!  Your rich!  (Of course if the beer is the same kind of pricing at TD Gahd'n as it is at the ACC, you pretty much need to be)

HA! I pre-game. No way in hell am I paying Garden prices for beer ;)

For what it's worth, the last Bruins game I went to was April 2, 2011, I sat 9 rows away from the glass. I paid $90 and face value was $85.

The last Celtics game I went to was Thanksgiving Eve 2012. I sat 10 rows up from the floor. My friend had won the tix, so I paid nothing and face value was $165.

S


9 rows in at the ACC for a Leaf game (depending on opponent) are a wee bit more than that, if you can get them...
for giggles I checked: a 7th row ticket is available for Sundays game with NJD (!)... $268.75 + ticketmaster bs, face value.  If I tell you what a lg beer is you would cry.
 
2014-01-08 09:48:48 PM  

sno man: Primitive Screwhead: sno man: hey congrats!  Your rich!  (Of course if the beer is the same kind of pricing at TD Gahd'n as it is at the ACC, you pretty much need to be)

HA! I pre-game. No way in hell am I paying Garden prices for beer ;)

For what it's worth, the last Bruins game I went to was April 2, 2011, I sat 9 rows away from the glass. I paid $90 and face value was $85.

The last Celtics game I went to was Thanksgiving Eve 2012. I sat 10 rows up from the floor. My friend had won the tix, so I paid nothing and face value was $165.

S

9 rows in at the ACC for a Leaf game (depending on opponent) are a wee bit more than that, if you can get them...
for giggles I checked: a 7th row ticket is available for Sundays game with NJD (!)... $268.75 + ticketmaster bs, face value.  If I tell you what a lg beer is you would cry.


7th row from the ice in St Louis I got for 100 bucks.  Ass against the wall in the very last row up top, center ice - $15.  Spending 15 bucks on a ticket means I can drink that night.  Spending 100 means I get to watch everyone else drink.
 
2014-01-08 09:49:43 PM  

carnifex2005: Primitive Screwhead: I have to say I'm not surprised by the attendance numbers. Hockey fans are a bit more loyal and supportive of their sport and the tickets are more affordable than the NBA average.
Hopefully we'll see a boost in TV numbers too.

I don't foresee a time when the NHL regularly beats the NBA or NASCAR or even PGA in ratings but with a few tweaks to the presentation, the audience will grow a little more.

NHL tickets have been more expensive on average than NBA tickets for many years...

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/8945052/nhl-ticket-price-hike-surp as ses-other-leagues

The reason why the NHL thrives with relatively low TV ratings is because their demographic is among the richest in sports.


I guess when your demo is somewhat well-off white people as opposed to, well...

The paragraph finishes itself I would guess.
 
2014-01-08 09:51:12 PM  

carnifex2005: Primitive Screwhead: I have to say I'm not surprised by the attendance numbers. Hockey fans are a bit more loyal and supportive of their sport and the tickets are more affordable than the NBA average.
Hopefully we'll see a boost in TV numbers too.

I don't foresee a time when the NHL regularly beats the NBA or NASCAR or even PGA in ratings but with a few tweaks to the presentation, the audience will grow a little more.

NHL tickets have been more expensive on average than NBA tickets for many years...

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/8945052/nhl-ticket-price-hike-surp as ses-other-leagues

The reason why the NHL thrives with relatively low TV ratings is because their demographic is among the richest in sports.


Exception: Pittsburgh.  Yinzer power.
 
2014-01-08 09:52:46 PM  
Does anyone even go to NBA games?  I figured Stern has been doctoring their attendance numbers for years.
 
2014-01-08 10:00:29 PM  

sno man: Primitive Screwhead: sno man: hey congrats!  Your rich!  (Of course if the beer is the same kind of pricing at TD Gahd'n as it is at the ACC, you pretty much need to be)

HA! I pre-game. No way in hell am I paying Garden prices for beer ;)

For what it's worth, the last Bruins game I went to was April 2, 2011, I sat 9 rows away from the glass. I paid $90 and face value was $85.

The last Celtics game I went to was Thanksgiving Eve 2012. I sat 10 rows up from the floor. My friend had won the tix, so I paid nothing and face value was $165.

S

9 rows in at the ACC for a Leaf game (depending on opponent) are a wee bit more than that, if you can get them...
for giggles I checked: a 7th row ticket is available for Sundays game with NJD (!)... $268.75 + ticketmaster bs, face value.  If I tell you what a lg beer is you would cry.


That's why I love Panthers games.

When I had my infamous sign in the corner for that game, my girl and I paid $160 each in the corner on the glass.

Some people like OL hate Southern Expansion. To me it means I get to buy premium tickets for LOL prices, and in turn supply some comedic gold for you guys while I enjoy myself.

/a double large vodka-soda is still $18.00
//solution: tube socks, airplane whiskey bottles and a $4 large coke
 
2014-01-08 10:08:05 PM  

fatalvenom: sno man: Primitive Screwhead: sno man: hey congrats!  Your rich!  (Of course if the beer is the same kind of pricing at TD Gahd'n as it is at the ACC, you pretty much need to be)

HA! I pre-game. No way in hell am I paying Garden prices for beer ;)

For what it's worth, the last Bruins game I went to was April 2, 2011, I sat 9 rows away from the glass. I paid $90 and face value was $85.

The last Celtics game I went to was Thanksgiving Eve 2012. I sat 10 rows up from the floor. My friend had won the tix, so I paid nothing and face value was $165.

S

9 rows in at the ACC for a Leaf game (depending on opponent) are a wee bit more than that, if you can get them...
for giggles I checked: a 7th row ticket is available for Sundays game with NJD (!)... $268.75 + ticketmaster bs, face value.  If I tell you what a lg beer is you would cry.

That's why I love Panthers games.

When I had my infamous sign in the corner for that game, my girl and I paid $160 each in the corner on the glass.

Some people like OL hate Southern Expansion. To me it means I get to buy premium tickets for LOL prices, and in turn supply some comedic gold for you guys while I enjoy myself.

/a double large vodka-soda is still $18.00
//solution: tube socks, airplane whiskey bottles and a $4 large coke


Sorry...I meant $60 each
 
2014-01-08 10:17:27 PM  

Jekylman: nyseattitude: R.A.Danny: nyseattitude: theesir: I love it when people say they can't follow hockey on TV.

I'll be polite and leave it at that.

It is difficult if you don't know the game. The NHL needs to adopt a more NFL style of informing the viewers.

Maybe I'm spoiled by the Pat and Eddy, but I don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Make it easier for viewers to understand what is going on. The NFL explains everything to the viewers in the form of hand signals and voice. This allows the viewer to learn the game as well as understand what just occurred. The NHL has started using mic's and announcing some calls but they should do it every time. Blowing a whistle and signaling roughing doesn't inform viewers of much. Blow the whistle, stand in front of the time keeps booth and verbally announce the call while using the signals. Now a new viewer will learn the hand signals and understand what just occurred.

And there should be some easier way of following that tiny little puck around. Why hasn't anyone tried this?


Fox Sports did. The puck had a faint glow to it at all times. When there was a slap shot or wrist shot the puck would change color and be followed by a trail of the particular color representing the shot. Red for slap shot and green for wrist shot I believe.
 
2014-01-08 10:21:57 PM  

nyseattitude: Jekylman: nyseattitude: R.A.Danny: nyseattitude: theesir: I love it when people say they can't follow hockey on TV.

I'll be polite and leave it at that.

It is difficult if you don't know the game. The NHL needs to adopt a more NFL style of informing the viewers.

Maybe I'm spoiled by the Pat and Eddy, but I don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Make it easier for viewers to understand what is going on. The NFL explains everything to the viewers in the form of hand signals and voice. This allows the viewer to learn the game as well as understand what just occurred. The NHL has started using mic's and announcing some calls but they should do it every time. Blowing a whistle and signaling roughing doesn't inform viewers of much. Blow the whistle, stand in front of the time keeps booth and verbally announce the call while using the signals. Now a new viewer will learn the hand signals and understand what just occurred.

And there should be some easier way of following that tiny little puck around. Why hasn't anyone tried this?

Fox Sports did. The puck had a faint glow to it at all times. When there was a slap shot or wrist shot the puck would change color and be followed by a trail of the particular color representing the shot. Red for slap shot and green for wrist shot I believe.


Here is a video of it. They called it Foxtrax.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XlRCGR10uBg&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D Xl RCGR10uBg
 
2014-01-08 10:24:52 PM  

fatalvenom: fatalvenom: sno man: Primitive Screwhead: sno man: hey congrats!  Your rich!  (Of course if the beer is the same kind of pricing at TD Gahd'n as it is at the ACC, you pretty much need to be)

HA! I pre-game. No way in hell am I paying Garden prices for beer ;)

For what it's worth, the last Bruins game I went to was April 2, 2011, I sat 9 rows away from the glass. I paid $90 and face value was $85.

The last Celtics game I went to was Thanksgiving Eve 2012. I sat 10 rows up from the floor. My friend had won the tix, so I paid nothing and face value was $165.

S

9 rows in at the ACC for a Leaf game (depending on opponent) are a wee bit more than that, if you can get them...
for giggles I checked: a 7th row ticket is available for Sundays game with NJD (!)... $268.75 + ticketmaster bs, face value.  If I tell you what a lg beer is you would cry.

That's why I love Panthers games.

When I had my infamous sign in the corner for that game, my girl and I paid $160 each in the corner on the glass.

Some people like OL hate Southern Expansion. To me it means I get to buy premium tickets for LOL prices, and in turn supply some comedic gold for you guys while I enjoy myself.

/a double large vodka-soda is still $18.00
//solution: tube socks, airplane whiskey bottles and a $4 large coke

Sorry...I meant $60 each


Are they still doing that 100 dollars worth of stuff for 20 bucks promotion?  My dad and I were looking at possibly going to a game but since we'd be driving from their place in Naples we'd have to do it a bit on the cheap.
 
2014-01-08 10:28:40 PM  

fatalvenom: fatalvenom: sno man: Primitive Screwhead: sno man: hey congrats!  Your rich!  (Of course if the beer is the same kind of pricing at TD Gahd'n as it is at the ACC, you pretty much need to be)

HA! I pre-game. No way in hell am I paying Garden prices for beer ;)

For what it's worth, the last Bruins game I went to was April 2, 2011, I sat 9 rows away from the glass. I paid $90 and face value was $85.

The last Celtics game I went to was Thanksgiving Eve 2012. I sat 10 rows up from the floor. My friend had won the tix, so I paid nothing and face value was $165.

S

9 rows in at the ACC for a Leaf game (depending on opponent) are a wee bit more than that, if you can get them...
for giggles I checked: a 7th row ticket is available for Sundays game with NJD (!)... $268.75 + ticketmaster bs, face value.  If I tell you what a lg beer is you would cry.

That's why I love Panthers games.

When I had my infamous sign in the corner for that game, my girl and I paid $160 each in the corner on the glass.

Some people like OL hate Southern Expansion. To me it means I get to buy premium tickets for LOL prices, and in turn supply some comedic gold for you guys while I enjoy myself.

/a double large vodka-soda is still $18.00
//solution: tube socks, airplane whiskey bottles and a $4 large coke

Sorry...I meant $60 each


Someone here in the media worked it out a year or two ago:  There is a road trip that hits Tampa and Miami (Sunrise, whatever) in 2 or 3 days every winter for the Leafs, airfare, game tickets, accommodation, rental car to get from one to the other and meals for 2... was less than 2 game tickets to any two random home games against the two teams.  I think it'd be pretty close to a draw cost wise for top tear tickets... but a shiat ton better long weekend story in FLA.
 
2014-01-08 10:29:36 PM  
I enjoy reading about the NBA, but I don't enjoy watching it very often. I've tried with an open heart and mind. For whatever reason, I have trouble getting into it. I understand it, but I don't get it.

/I mean, maybe apart from Games 6 and 7 in last year's final. That shiat was bananas.
//Watch the hell out of regular season hockey. Grew up playing and reffing.
///Probably doesn't help that my team of record is the Knicks.
 
2014-01-08 10:32:10 PM  

nyseattitude: nyseattitude: Jekylman: nyseattitude: R.A.Danny: nyseattitude: theesir: I love it when people say they can't follow hockey on TV.

I'll be polite and leave it at that.

It is difficult if you don't know the game. The NHL needs to adopt a more NFL style of informing the viewers.

Maybe I'm spoiled by the Pat and Eddy, but I don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Make it easier for viewers to understand what is going on. The NFL explains everything to the viewers in the form of hand signals and voice. This allows the viewer to learn the game as well as understand what just occurred. The NHL has started using mic's and announcing some calls but they should do it every time. Blowing a whistle and signaling roughing doesn't inform viewers of much. Blow the whistle, stand in front of the time keeps booth and verbally announce the call while using the signals. Now a new viewer will learn the hand signals and understand what just occurred.

And there should be some easier way of following that tiny little puck around. Why hasn't anyone tried this?

Fox Sports did. The puck had a faint glow to it at all times. When there was a slap shot or wrist shot the puck would change color and be followed by a trail of the particular color representing the shot. Red for slap shot and green for wrist shot I believe.

Here is a video of it. They called it Foxtrax.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XlRCGR10uBg&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D Xl RCGR10uBg


SILENCE!!!  That never happened.  It was an April Fools joke, nothing more.
 
2014-01-08 10:35:51 PM  

Flappyhead: fatalvenom: fatalvenom: sno man: Primitive Screwhead: sno man: hey congrats!  Your rich!  (Of course if the beer is the same kind of pricing at TD Gahd'n as it is at the ACC, you pretty much need to be)

HA! I pre-game. No way in hell am I paying Garden prices for beer ;)

For what it's worth, the last Bruins game I went to was April 2, 2011, I sat 9 rows away from the glass. I paid $90 and face value was $85.

The last Celtics game I went to was Thanksgiving Eve 2012. I sat 10 rows up from the floor. My friend had won the tix, so I paid nothing and face value was $165.

S

9 rows in at the ACC for a Leaf game (depending on opponent) are a wee bit more than that, if you can get them...
for giggles I checked: a 7th row ticket is available for Sundays game with NJD (!)... $268.75 + ticketmaster bs, face value.  If I tell you what a lg beer is you would cry.

That's why I love Panthers games.

When I had my infamous sign in the corner for that game, my girl and I paid $160 each in the corner on the glass.

Some people like OL hate Southern Expansion. To me it means I get to buy premium tickets for LOL prices, and in turn supply some comedic gold for you guys while I enjoy myself.

/a double large vodka-soda is still $18.00
//solution: tube socks, airplane whiskey bottles and a $4 large coke

Sorry...I meant $60 each

Are they still doing that 100 dollars worth of stuff for 20 bucks promotion?  My dad and I were looking at possibly going to a game but since we'd be driving from their place in Naples we'd have to do it a bit on the cheap.


It's random for whatever team is in town. I would go the Panthers website, they usually post their ticket specials on their for whatever game.

As for what you said sno man, I think individual ticket brokers put together packages like that. I don't think that the Panthers and Lightning would collaborate on anything like that. Especially lodging and meals etc.
 
2014-01-08 10:40:09 PM  

fatalvenom: As for what you said sno man, I think individual ticket brokers put together packages like that. I don't think that the Panthers and Lightning would collaborate on anything like that. Especially lodging and meals etc.


Not even a package, it was all just DIY.  (!)  A package would even be cheaper.
 
2014-01-08 10:44:02 PM  

sno man: fatalvenom: As for what you said sno man, I think individual ticket brokers put together packages like that. I don't think that the Panthers and Lightning would collaborate on anything like that. Especially lodging and meals etc.

Not even a package, it was all just DIY.  (!)  A package would even be cheaper.


I'm sure if you got some fix for both games individually you could probably find some sweet deals. Not to mention you could get a rental car for cheap and stay at a Holiday Inn or something.

But be warned, driving from the East coast to the West coast of FL on Alligator Alley isn't much fun on a clear, sunny day.

Let alone at night after a game.
 
2014-01-08 11:15:01 PM  

carnifex2005: The reason why the NHL thrives with relatively low TV ratings is because their demographic is among the richest in sports.


Wait, a virtually all-white league in a sport with a high barrier for entry (as far as costs go) with its main franchises in the wealthiest states in the nation has the richest demographic in sports? This is my shocked face.

/there's a reason the Kentucky Derby continues to be a "big thing," too
 
2014-01-08 11:16:48 PM  

Ishkur: IAmRight: If you build a contender around them, then they won't leave to go play for one.

Cleveland did just that very thing. It mattered not.


....are you serious?  Larry Holmes? Boobie Gibson?
 
2014-01-08 11:17:47 PM  

fatalvenom: sno man: fatalvenom: As for what you said sno man, I think individual ticket brokers put together packages like that. I don't think that the Panthers and Lightning would collaborate on anything like that. Especially lodging and meals etc.

Not even a package, it was all just DIY.  (!)  A package would even be cheaper.

I'm sure if you got some fix for both games individually you could probably find some sweet deals. Not to mention you could get a rental car for cheap and stay at a Holiday Inn or something.

But be warned, driving from the East coast to the West coast of FL on Alligator Alley isn't much fun on a clear, sunny day.

Let alone at night after a game.


Half thought about it last time I was down there, (Naples, and no I don't know Flappy) a couple of years ago... Wouldn't have been a Leaf game... Montreal maybe, enough to say meh, that's a long drive....  I think Naples is about the closest to half way between the two by road.  There is the ECHL team in Ft. Myers, but they were on a road trip the whole time..
 
2014-01-08 11:23:58 PM  

Gunny Highway: Ishkur: IAmRight: If you build a contender around them, then they won't leave to go play for one.

Cleveland did just that very thing. It mattered not.

....are you serious?  Larry Holmes? Boobie Gibson?


Remember when A. Jamison was going to be the guy to put them over the top?  Yeah, that was a great decision by the franchise.  Oh, and then it was Shaq.

The NBA isnt perfect but the criticism is ridiculous sometimes.  Look at what the Cavs have done since LeBron left, hit once with Kyrie and then shiat the bed with their other number one pick.  The franchise sucks at putting a champion caliber team together.  I has little to do with the city.
 
2014-01-08 11:29:54 PM  

Gunny Highway: I has little to do with the city.


I dunno, it's possible Cleveland is a vortex of suck. And that the factory of sadness is the only industry still running there.
 
2014-01-08 11:35:01 PM  

IAmRight: Gunny Highway: I has little to do with the city.

I dunno, it's possible Cleveland is a vortex of suck. And that the factory of sadness is the only industry still running there.


Well, maybe that particular city....

Fark has taught me that the way to fix the NBA (which is doing pretty well) is to make it more like the NFL and Euro Soccer.  I like it the way it is now for the most part.
 
2014-01-08 11:37:23 PM  

Gunny Highway: Fark has taught me that the way to fix the NBA (which is doing pretty well) is to make it more like the NFL and Euro Soccer.  I like it the way it is now for the most part.


Also, to only take the parts that will make it worse.

Like promotion/relegation. "Let's be like the only league with LESS parity! And make it so there's even LESS incentive to go to teams that aren't already good!"
 
2014-01-09 01:18:18 AM  

Shelbyville: This season it seems like over 3/4 of the nba is obviously tanking.


Why, even one of the NBA teams to sell out has all but officially declared their intention to tank (Bulls), and another is so god-awful they don't even need to try to tank (Knicks).
 
2014-01-09 04:46:14 AM  

Rwa2play: R.A.Danny: timujin: As I don't watch either sport, I don't know offhand, so I'm asking here...  how many seats are there in NHL venues versus NBA venues?

Many of them share the same venuses, so even though the configurations may change the number of seats slightly, it really isn't enough to make a huge difference.

Approximately 1,000-2,500 seats depending on configuration and design.

The NHL Markets that sell out BTW:  Detroit Red Wings, Chicago Blackhawks, Montreal Canadiens, Philadelphia Flyers, Toronto Maple Leafs, Calgary Flames, Vancouver Canucks, Pittsburgh Penguins, Washington Capitals, Minnesota Wild, Los Angeles Kings, New York Rangers, Boston Bruins, San Jose Sharks and Winnipeg Jets.

So the Original Six plus the state of PA,, DC, Middle and Western Canada, Minnesota and two of the three California franchises.  In a way it's not all surprising that all of these sellout, especially with the Kings recent Stanley Cup run.

The NBA Markets:  Chicago Bulls, Dallas Mavericks, New York Knicks, Miami Heat, Golden State Warriors, Los Angeles Clippers, Oklahoma City Thunder and Houston Rockets.

Chicago, NY, Miami, LAC, OKC, and HOU aren't really surprising.  GS is kind of a surprise but not really, same goes for DAL even though they're always contending for a playoff spot every year.


Uh, why would GS or Dallas surprise you? I can't imagine why that would be weird. Hell, when the Stars made the playoffs every year they always sold out.
 
2014-01-09 07:14:07 AM  
In other NHL news, it looks like the Sabres have finally found a new GM - Tim Murray, current asst. GM in Ottawa.
 
2014-01-09 08:14:02 AM  

Doc Daneeka: In other NHL news, it looks like the Sabres have finally found a new GM - Tim Murray, current asst. GM in Ottawa.


Chiarelli was the last assistant Ottawa GM spun off and he's done pretty well. Good luck to you guys, the Northeast(plus FL) division isn't as fun when the Sabres are out of the playoffs.
 
2014-01-09 08:15:45 AM  

nyseattitude: theesir: I love it when people say they can't follow hockey on TV.

I'll be polite and leave it at that.

It is difficult if you don't know the game. The NHL needs to adopt a more NFL style of informing the viewers.


NFL viewers are informed because it's a repeating process of 7 seconds of action followed by 45 seconds to 2 minutes of talking heads for 3 hours total. If the NHL adopted that much stoppage it would defeat the purpose of having a high-tempo game.
 
2014-01-09 08:43:25 AM  

S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: nyseattitude: theesir: I love it when people say they can't follow hockey on TV.

I'll be polite and leave it at that.

It is difficult if you don't know the game. The NHL needs to adopt a more NFL style of informing the viewers.

NFL viewers are informed because it's a repeating process of 7 seconds of action followed by 45 seconds to 2 minutes of talking heads for 3 hours total. If the NHL adopted that much stoppage it would defeat the purpose of having a high-tempo game.


I dont find hockey very hard to follow.  I never understood that criticism.  I never played, nor am I a rabid fan, so I dont understand the finer things but I can follow the game just fine.

Football is the game I have trouble with.  I watch and have fun with it but struggle with know what the hell is going on on the lines or defensive side of the ball.
 
2014-01-09 10:09:04 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Did some quick math and the NBA is averaging 16,927 a game (league average of 296,234 paid attendance per team divided into 17.5 home games) against 17,434 a game (league average of 380,654 paid attendance per team divided into 21.83 home games).  Hardly anything dominating, but let's not let this get in the way of a good old fashioned hockey vs. basketball thread.  After all, too many thugs and too many fights in the NBA.  I'll stick to hockey.  Thanks.


MSG alone has an extra 1,600 seats for basketball than hockey, so, a sellout for hockey is less people than 10% vacant for basketball.
 
2014-01-09 12:58:27 PM  

nyseattitude: Fox Sports did. The puck had a faint glow to it at all times. When there was a slap shot or wrist shot the puck would change color and be followed by a trail of the particular color representing the shot. Red for slap shot and green for wrist shot I believe.


Best part of that was when it was along the near boards you could tell where the puck was.
 
2014-01-09 01:56:51 PM  

R.A.Danny: theesir: I love it when people say they can't follow hockey on TV.

I'll be polite and leave it at that.

Commas are important, that's all I am saying.

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Where on that sign would you place a comma? There is punctuation that would help that sign, but not a comma.
 
2014-01-09 02:02:43 PM  
Slow children at play

Slow, children at play

Was this sign on your block?
 
2014-01-09 02:12:59 PM  

flynn80: Best part of that was when it was along the near boards you could tell where the puck was.


Hockey is one of the few sports where it's easier to follow what's going on if you DON'T watch the puck. You don't need to see it when it's along the near boards. It's not doing anything important. All that matters is who comes out with it.
 
2014-01-09 03:32:11 PM  

Ishkur: flynn80: Best part of that was when it was along the near boards you could tell where the puck was.

Hockey is one of the few sports where it's easier to follow what's going on if you DON'T watch the puck. You don't need to see it when it's along the near boards. It's not doing anything important. All that matters is who comes out with it.


Exactly! This is what I always tell non-fans who complain about not being able to see the puck.

You're not supposed to watch the puck! You're supposed to watch the players! What the player are doing (both near and away from the puck) will tell you everything you need to know instantly about where the puck is and who has possession.

Hell, I can follow a hockey game perfectly well from the radio broadcast, if the play-by-play man is competent. Seeing the puck is irrelevant.
 
2014-01-09 09:21:44 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Ishkur: flynn80: Best part of that was when it was along the near boards you could tell where the puck was.

Hockey is one of the few sports where it's easier to follow what's going on if you DON'T watch the puck. You don't need to see it when it's along the near boards. It's not doing anything important. All that matters is who comes out with it.

Exactly! This is what I always tell non-fans who complain about not being able to see the puck.

You're not supposed to watch the puck! You're supposed to watch the players! What the player are doing (both near and away from the puck) will tell you everything you need to know instantly about where the puck is and who has possession.

Hell, I can follow a hockey game perfectly well from the radio broadcast, if the play-by-play man is competent. Seeing the puck is irrelevant.


Bingo.  You're not watching football or basketball to see the ball.  You're watching it to see the players do awesome things.  Watch the players, not the puck.  They will show you where the puck is.
 
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