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2014-01-08 05:25:14 PM

desertgeek: I move that Winnipeg gets an asterisk on the grounds that they have the smallest arena in the league at 15,000.


True, but Winnipeg has definitely one of the smallest (if not THE smallest) metro pop among all NHL markets.

15,000 Winnipegians (is that what you call them?) showing up a night is more impressive to me than 20,000 Torontonians. Especially in farking January or something.
 
2014-01-08 05:25:53 PM

IAmRight: Jim from Saint Paul: Those hockey owners are laughing at baskeball owners.

Because their properties are worth twice the hockey owners' properties? Okay.


Please elaborate.

Because all I can see is Hockey dudes drawing in more money and having to pay less out then Basektball dudes.
 
2014-01-08 05:26:09 PM

nyseattitude: theesir: I love it when people say they can't follow hockey on TV.

I'll be polite and leave it at that.

It is difficult if you don't know the game. The NHL needs to adopt a more NFL style of informing the viewers.


Maybe I'm spoiled by the Pat and Eddy, but I don't have a clue what you are talking about.
 
2014-01-08 05:26:55 PM

desertgeek: timujin: As I don't watch either sport, I don't know offhand, so I'm asking here...  how many seats are there in NHL venues versus NBA venues?

Most arenas that have teams in both sports will have slightly smaller seating capacities for hockey over basketball. But the difference might be no more than a thousand seats on average. Madison Square Garden might have the largest difference because they cut out a lot of seats for Rangers games.

To me, the bigger story is that 10 of the 15 NHL teams averaging a sell out are in the USA. That's outnumbering the NBA by itself. IMO, that's a byproduct of how poor the NBA product is right now. Some games are just impossible to watch from all the poor shooting and horrid officiating.


The nba has lost its marketing edge because its always been the same half dozen or so teams fighting for a title and the rest of the league gets a participation ribbon, but more and more of the teams in locations that aren't LA or Boston wonder why do they even bother supporting a league where they are eliminated before the season even starts.

Yes I know that in the last 34 years a whopping 9 teams have been nba champs, and include large runs by Chicago and smaller runs by San Antonio/Detroit/Miami/Houston. It seems that instead of following the parity route of the NFL or even a limited free market of the MLB the NBA seems to actively encourage its major markets and give the finger to the lesser markets.
 
2014-01-08 05:27:34 PM

Flappyhead: Shelbyville: I think the fact there is a lot more parity in the nhl vs the nba means more of the markets are invested in their teams. This season it seems like over 3/4 of the nba is obviously tanking. Why pay to go to a game when your team doesn't care about this season and is purposely putting an inferior product on the floor.

A league of 5 Harlem globetrotters and 25 Washington Generals is fundamentally flawed.

The Atlantic Division needs to be razed to the ground and have the land salted so that nothing can ever grow again.


hehehe   ...But Raptors
 
2014-01-08 05:28:33 PM

Flappyhead: Shelbyville: I think the fact there is a lot more parity in the nhl vs the nba means more of the markets are invested in their teams. This season it seems like over 3/4 of the nba is obviously tanking. Why pay to go to a game when your team doesn't care about this season and is purposely putting an inferior product on the floor.

A league of 5 Harlem globetrotters and 25 Washington Generals is fundamentally flawed.

The Atlantic Division needs to be razed to the ground and have the land salted so that nothing can ever grow again.


You can start with the Knicks and Jim Dolan.  Be my guest.
 
2014-01-08 05:30:53 PM

farbekrieg: It seems that instead of following the parity route of the NFL or even a limited free market of the MLB the NBA seems to actively encourage its major markets and give the finger to the lesser markets.


The largest markets in the NBA are currently either laughingstocks (hey there, both NYC teams) or just boringly mediocre with the exception of the Clippers. I get your larger point but the actual competitive teams currently are in small to medium sized markets.
 
2014-01-08 05:32:26 PM

Killer Cars: farbekrieg: It seems that instead of following the parity route of the NFL or even a limited free market of the MLB the NBA seems to actively encourage its major markets and give the finger to the lesser markets.

The largest markets in the NBA are currently either laughingstocks (hey there, both NYC teams) or just boringly mediocre with the exception of the Clippers. I get your larger point but the actual competitive teams currently are in small to medium sized markets.


that only makes sense if it wasn't a forgone conclusion the heat win a 3rd straight title, OKC does have a chance but ultimately I think they will butt fumble it away.
 
2014-01-08 05:32:33 PM

Killer Cars: farbekrieg: It seems that instead of following the parity route of the NFL or even a limited free market of the MLB the NBA seems to actively encourage its major markets and give the finger to the lesser markets.

The largest markets in the NBA are currently either laughingstocks (hey there, both NYC teams) or just boringly mediocre with the exception of the Clippers. I get your larger point but the actual competitive teams currently are in small to medium sized markets.


Agreed. Even Chicago has given up on this year. And most likely next.
 
2014-01-08 05:33:06 PM
R.A.Danny:

What is the answer there? It seems that there is enough talent coming out of colleges (or without college) to avoid diluting the pool, but there is still so much suck in the NBA today.

I'll try not go all ranty here but I think the issue is so many teams are built around one player.  Now you need that superstar to win, there's simply no denying that, but a lot of times it's just him and four other random pieces on the court.  You look at the top franchises for the last twenty years and the common denominator is building a strong supporting cast around the one or two big stars, while for reasons unknown to anyone the rest just throw the top draft pick out there and hope for the best.
 
2014-01-08 05:33:39 PM

R.A.Danny: nyseattitude: theesir: I love it when people say they can't follow hockey on TV.

I'll be polite and leave it at that.

It is difficult if you don't know the game. The NHL needs to adopt a more NFL style of informing the viewers.

Maybe I'm spoiled by the Pat and Eddy, but I don't have a clue what you are talking about.


How exactly are they supposed to do that? A big sign over the net saying puck goes in here?

I will admit if you're watching the nbcsn broadcast their announcers are pretty awful, and go out of their way to slobber on Sidney Crosby's knob, especially Pierre McGuire.
 
2014-01-08 05:34:35 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: Because all I can see is Hockey dudes drawing in more money and having to pay less out then Basektball dudes.


Look at when the teams get sold. Look at the television contracts. Gate receipts are a tiny fraction of income.

farbekrieg: Yes I know that in the last 34 years a whopping 9 teams have been nba champs, and include large runs by Chicago and smaller runs by San Antonio/Detroit/Miami/Houston. It seems that instead of following the parity route of the NFL or even a limited free market of the MLB the NBA seems to actively encourage its major markets and give the finger to the lesser markets.


That's due to the sport and the playoff setup actually resulting in the best team winning the title for the most part. One-and-done playoffs like the NFL (or now, laughably, MLB), create a bunch of different outcomes. This is one of the flaws of playoffs - stupid people assume that they are accurate representations of a season.

If last year's Ravens had to play the Broncos 7 times, they probably lose. But they only had to play them once, and then a single stupid play by a Broncos safety gave them the win.

The difference between the NBA and the NHL is that in the NHL a goalie can be such a huge influence that if he stands on his head, he can overcome a superior team almost by himself (obviously someone has to score at some point). But in basketball, one person can't shut down an opposing offense, no matter how dominant they are.
 
2014-01-08 05:36:19 PM

farbekrieg: that only makes sense if it wasn't a forgone conclusion the heat win a 3rd straight title, OKC does have a chance but ultimately I think they will butt fumble it away.


So does Indiana, who almost beat the Heat last year. So do the Spurs, who were a couple of seconds away from being the champs last year. So do the Clippers. And the Blazers (somehow).
 
2014-01-08 05:36:24 PM

Shelbyville: R.A.Danny: nyseattitude: theesir: I love it when people say they can't follow hockey on TV.

I'll be polite and leave it at that.

It is difficult if you don't know the game. The NHL needs to adopt a more NFL style of informing the viewers.

Maybe I'm spoiled by the Pat and Eddy, but I don't have a clue what you are talking about.

How exactly are they supposed to do that? A big sign over the net saying puck goes in here?

I will admit if you're watching the nbcsn broadcast their announcers are pretty awful, and go out of their way to slobber on Sidney Crosby's knob, especially Pierre McGuire.


Pat and Eddy will mention the shift changes, the mistakes away from the puck, and highlight early in a play where the goal that was just scored really began. Watch a few games with them and you will have a better fan experience forever. I don't know about other teams, but I think they are exceptional.
 
2014-01-08 05:38:11 PM

farbekrieg: that only makes sense if it wasn't a forgone conclusion the heat win a 3rd straight title


Let's assume Miami wins it again this year....Miami is not a "big" market, in fact it ranks behind even Minneapolis and Seattle according to Nielsen's DMA rankings.

I was trying to say there's a point in arguing a lack of parity in the NBA, but it's tied to franchises that keep winning, not market size.
 
2014-01-08 05:40:11 PM

IAmRight: Flappyhead: The Atlantic Division needs to be razed to the ground and have the land salted so that nothing can ever grow again.

C'mon, Boston's allowed to have a down year. I hate the Celtics but they'll be back soon.


Maybe, but look back over the last 14 years.  Outside of a few seasons the Atlantic has been utterly abysmal.  I have no real explanation how a division with that many large markets can be so utterly shiat overall for so long.
 
2014-01-08 05:42:00 PM
We President now?
 
2014-01-08 05:43:09 PM
Hockey is the only game that doesn't look better on an HD TV. Just my opinion.
 
2014-01-08 05:43:51 PM
i'd just like to take this opportunity to say a hearty FARK YOU to  COMCAST  &  the Portland Trail Blazers for blacking out games

makes it awful hard to support the home team when you do shiat like this.

that it's a 20 year deal only makes the hate burn more

& i sat through so many seasons as a comcast customer as the blazers just sucked a bucket full of dick - then i move & don't have teh comcast (cause F those guys) and now rarely see a game & they are kicking ass.

in conclusion:  FARK YOU  comcast  & FARK YOU blazers for signing a deal with satan
 
2014-01-08 05:45:47 PM

Flappyhead: I have no real explanation how a division with that many large markets can be so utterly shiat overall for so long.


I'm pretty sure someone mentioned Dolan. Boston's a solid organization. Toronto had issues with the Canadian dollar not being worth anything, now they have an issue with the fact that no one likes winter except people who don't have a choice so they pretend they like it. Same goes for the other teams. The Nets are being managed stupidly and have had some decent squads over the past 15 years or so. And why would someone voluntarily play for a Philly team in any league?
 
2014-01-08 05:46:29 PM

uncleacid: Hockey is the only game that doesn't look better on an HD TV. Just my opinion.


You get your eyes checked recently?
 
2014-01-08 05:47:37 PM

Flappyhead: 'll try not go all ranty here but I think the issue is so many teams are built around one player. Now you need that superstar to win, there's simply no denying that, but a lot of times it's just him and four other random pieces on the court. You look at the top franchises for the last twenty years and the common denominator is building a strong supporting cast around the one or two big stars, while for reasons unknown to anyone the rest just throw the top draft pick out there and hope for the best.


Basketball dynasties remind me a lot of tennis. Sure, there are many competitors, but only a small handful really have a shot at winning anything, and every so often one guy/team will win everything for a few years.

The NBA is suffering because the competition is just not there. 80% of the teams do not have a realistic shot at winning the championship, and with player collusion becoming more of a thing, we're going to see more of that in the future: The same few teams just loading up all the best players and then battling it out. Lebron leaving Cleveland has really left a bad taste in a lot of small markets' mouths. Where's the incentive to improve and draft well and obtain key acquisitions if they're all going to bolt the first chance they get to play with a contender?

It's not as bad as club level European soccer, where the same team wins EVERY year, but it's slowly progressing toward that expected outcome. That's a far cry from the NHL or NFL, which have more parity and where at least half the teams are legitimate threats at winning something, if not the Stanley Cup. Keeps interest high.
 
2014-01-08 05:48:00 PM

fatalvenom: uncleacid: Hockey is the only game that doesn't look better on an HD TV. Just my opinion.

You get your eyes checked recently?


He must need a bigger TV.

I need a bigger TV

EVERYONE needs a bigger TV
 
2014-01-08 05:49:09 PM
Love Hockey.  SJ Sharks fan since the inception,  Damn near every game every season is sold out, and that includes Sharks vs. Kings  when both teams were lousy in the '90's.

GS Warriors have a great team, and I am watching b-ball again.  Mark Jackson has that team playing hard every night.  They have drawn well even when they sucked.
 
2014-01-08 05:51:17 PM

inner ted: i'd just like to take this opportunity to say a hearty FARK YOU to  COMCAST  &  the Portland Trail Blazers for blacking out games

makes it awful hard to support the home team when you do shiat like this.

that it's a 20 year deal only makes the hate burn more

& i sat through so many seasons as a comcast customer as the blazers just sucked a bucket full of dick - then i move & don't have teh comcast (cause F those guys) and now rarely see a game & they are kicking ass.

in conclusion:  FARK YOU  comcast  & FARK YOU blazers for signing a deal with satan


Dude it's not hard to find games streaming online. A quick Google search for a stream or check out a site like vipbox

Not to take anything away from your anti comcast rant fark those guys.
 
2014-01-08 05:51:46 PM
I wish the NBA and NHL didnt play in the same season so we didnt have to deal with these nonsensical pissing contests.

Both leagues are fun.  Some prefer one to the other, some like both equally.  There is nothing to win here.
 
2014-01-08 05:54:17 PM

inner ted: i'd just like to take this opportunity to say a hearty FARK YOU to  COMCAST  &  the Portland Trail Blazers for blacking out games

makes it awful hard to support the home team when you do shiat like this.

that it's a 20 year deal only makes the hate burn more

& i sat through so many seasons as a comcast customer as the blazers just sucked a bucket full of dick - then i move & don't have teh comcast (cause F those guys) and now rarely see a game & they are kicking ass.

in conclusion:  FARK YOU  comcast  & FARK YOU blazers for signing a deal with satan


When were the Blazer sucking buckets full of dicks?  Havent they been consistently decent to good for 30 years?
 
2014-01-08 05:55:00 PM

IAmRight: Toronto had issues with the Canadian dollar not being worth anything, now they have an issue with the fact that no one likes winter except people who don't have a choice so they pretend they like it.


I always found that latter point about Toronto strange because the winters aren't really much "better" in NYC, Chicago, etc, but Toronto from my experience (especially if you're rich, which I'm not) can be just as fun to blow your money in.

Toronto's a huge, multicultural metropolis, yet some American athletes act as if they think it's Saskatoon or something.
 
2014-01-08 05:55:53 PM

uknowzit: Love Hockey.  SJ Sharks fan since the inception,


I go to SJ a few times a year for work, and found a dive bar that is rabid in their Shark fandom. They tolerate my love for the Blackhawks despite my being there when the Blackhawks beat them.  They made SJ my second favorite team.
 
2014-01-08 06:01:55 PM

uncleacid: Hockey is the only game that doesn't look better on an HD TV. Just my opinion.


You must be on that NBA Weed.
 
2014-01-08 06:04:31 PM

Ishkur: Flappyhead: 'll try not go all ranty here but I think the issue is so many teams are built around one player. Now you need that superstar to win, there's simply no denying that, but a lot of times it's just him and four other random pieces on the court. You look at the top franchises for the last twenty years and the common denominator is building a strong supporting cast around the one or two big stars, while for reasons unknown to anyone the rest just throw the top draft pick out there and hope for the best.

Basketball dynasties remind me a lot of tennis. Sure, there are many competitors, but only a small handful really have a shot at winning anything, and every so often one guy/team will win everything for a few years.

The NBA is suffering because the competition is just not there. 80% of the teams do not have a realistic shot at winning the championship, and with player collusion becoming more of a thing, we're going to see more of that in the future: The same few teams just loading up all the best players and then battling it out. Lebron leaving Cleveland has really left a bad taste in a lot of small markets' mouths. Where's the incentive to improve and draft well and obtain key acquisitions if they're all going to bolt the first chance they get to play with a contender?

It's not as bad as club level European soccer, where the same team wins EVERY year, but it's slowly progressing toward that expected outcome. That's a far cry from the NHL or NFL, which have more parity and where at least half the teams are legitimate threats at winning something, if not the Stanley Cup. Keeps interest high.


You sir hit the nail on the head. Super teams play well for national tv, but on the local level no parity means most markets don't care
 
2014-01-08 06:04:49 PM

Killer Cars: IAmRight: Toronto had issues with the Canadian dollar not being worth anything, now they have an issue with the fact that no one likes winter except people who don't have a choice so they pretend they like it.

I always found that latter point about Toronto strange because the winters aren't really much "better" in NYC, Chicago, etc, but Toronto from my experience (especially if you're rich, which I'm not) can be just as fun to blow your money in.

Toronto's a huge, multicultural metropolis, yet some American athletes act as if they think it's Saskatoon or something.


A lot of times the players biatch and moan about the taxes too.  These are the same guys that are often broke in ten years, so clearly they are getting quality financial advise.
 
2014-01-08 06:05:09 PM
Love going to the phone booth in my Pens sweater.
 
2014-01-08 06:06:08 PM

Gunny Highway: When were the Blazer sucking buckets full of dicks?  Havent they been consistently decent to good for 30 years?


But in those rare years when they bottom out, it means the league is going to bring in one of its greatest superstars ever... whom the Blazers will pass up in favor of a middling big man.
 
2014-01-08 06:07:57 PM

Ennzie: desertgeek: Rwa2play: The NHL Markets that sell out BTW:  Detroit Red Wings, Chicago Blackhawks, Montreal Canadiens, Philadelphia Flyers, Toronto Maple Leafs, Calgary Flames, Vancouver Canucks, Pittsburgh Penguins, Washington Capitals, Minnesota Wild, Los Angeles Kings, New York Rangers, Boston Bruins, San Jose Sharks and Winnipeg Jets.

I move that Winnipeg gets an asterisk on the grounds that they have the smallest arena in the league at 15,000.

HEY, it's 15004!

Besides, even if the arena could seat 17000 or 17500, they'd still sell out.  They just couldn't charge as much for tickets as they do.  Personally, I'd take 15000 and sold out with one of the highest average ticket prices in the league than having a larger arena with empty seats and low average ticket price.

btw, I wish the 'Yotes had more fans like you.  You're passionate, and know your stuff.  I'm happy you still have a team to cheer for.


Certainly they'd still sell out at 17,000 or 17,500. But the Winnipeg market size probably wouldn't allow for anything more than that and if the team starts to really stink, having a 15,000 seat building might be a saving grace for them.

And you and sno man are too kind. I do my best and just wish I could do more.
 
2014-01-08 06:09:41 PM

Ishkur: Where's the incentive to improve and draft well and obtain key acquisitions if they're all going to bolt the first chance they get to play with a contender?


If you build a contender around them, then they won't leave to go play for one.

Killer Cars: Toronto's a huge, multicultural metropolis, yet some American athletes act as if they think it's Saskatoon or something.


I'm talking perception, not reality. And people aren't really into NYC for the weather. More for it being the media capital of at least the Western Hemisphere. The Bulls don't exactly attract big-name free agents, either.

Shelbyville: Dude it's not hard to find games streaming online. A quick Google search for a stream or check out a site like vipbox


And if you want to be legal, it's not like League Pass is expensive.
 
2014-01-08 06:11:25 PM

R.A.Danny: fatalvenom: uncleacid: Hockey is the only game that doesn't look better on an HD TV. Just my opinion.

You get your eyes checked recently?

He must need a bigger TV.

I need a bigger TV

EVERYONE needs a bigger TV


Since it seemed like a crazy statement, I assume he meant as compared to the live experience. And it's true that hockey is a great gameday experience, while football, for example, sucks.

/baseball is awful on TV; the only enjoyable part is a nice summer day out in the sun
 
2014-01-08 06:11:37 PM

Shelbyville: inner ted: i'd just like to take this opportunity to say a hearty FARK YOU to  COMCAST  &  the Portland Trail Blazers for blacking out games

makes it awful hard to support the home team when you do shiat like this.

that it's a 20 year deal only makes the hate burn more

& i sat through so many seasons as a comcast customer as the blazers just sucked a bucket full of dick - then i move & don't have teh comcast (cause F those guys) and now rarely see a game & they are kicking ass.

in conclusion:  FARK YOU  comcast  & FARK YOU blazers for signing a deal with satan

Dude it's not hard to find games streaming online. A quick Google search for a stream or check out a site like vipbox

Not to take anything away from your anti comcast rant fark those guys.


you have intrigued me sir/ma'am
i will have the wife investigate this as i suffer from a case of the tards when it comes to computers.  posting on fark is about as savvy as i get.

Gunny Highway: inner ted: i'd just like to take this opportunity to say a hearty FARK YOU to  COMCAST  &  the Portland Trail Blazers for blacking out games

makes it awful hard to support the home team when you do shiat like this.

that it's a 20 year deal only makes the hate burn more

& i sat through so many seasons as a comcast customer as the blazers just sucked a bucket full of dick - then i move & don't have teh comcast (cause F those guys) and now rarely see a game & they are kicking ass.

in conclusion:  FARK YOU  comcast  & FARK YOU blazers for signing a deal with satan

When were the Blazer sucking buckets full of dicks?  Havent they been consistently decent to good for 30 years?


there was a run from the late 90's to about 2009 - 2010 where we were known as 'jailblazers'  & generally sucked hind teat.

we also suffered from a host of massive injuries (oden & roy) which made me suspect of whoever gave medical clearance to hire those guys in the first place.

last year marked us rebuilding from this mess.  the coach seems great & the players all seem (from the tv anyway) like decent kids trying hard and working together.  they've been on a holy streak of ass kicking this season (from what i hear...i've only seen 3 or 4 games) and it would be neat to support them.

even if it has to be ghetto style on the computer
 
2014-01-08 06:12:03 PM

IAmRight: desertgeek: IMO, that's a byproduct of how poor the NBA product is right now. Some games are just impossible to watch from all the poor shooting and horrid officiating.

Or the fact that hockey tickets are less expensive than NBA tickets.

Or this:

Celtics: Average 17,825
Bruins: Average 17,565

Bruins are 100%; Celtics are 95.7%

So there are either a lot more seats to sell in basketball (there is a significant number), or numbers are massaged.


An NBA configuration of the seating allows for more seats because the court for a basketball game is smaller than an NHL-size hockey rink (especially in length, which allows for more seats at the ends of the court at floor level).
 
2014-01-08 06:13:02 PM

Super Chronic: I'm not a hockey fan but I'm going to a game in a couple of weeks (Blues at Rangers) with a colleague who's a season ticket holder, and I'm looking forward to it. The funny thing is I think the aforementioned colleague is more excited about me going to the game than I am. He's sent me a bunch of links to Rangers sites/blogs and just stopped by a few minutes ago to remind me the Rangers are on NBC Sports tonight. If you have a passion, I guess it's fun to share it.

But hey, since the NBA officially doesn't exist, I think it would be healthy for me to get into a winter sport. I went to one NHL game a few years ago and had a lot of fun.


Live hockey is amazing to watch. Try to understand as much about the game before you go.
 
2014-01-08 06:15:02 PM
As much as you can, before you go.
 
2014-01-08 06:15:11 PM

IAmRight: Ishkur: Where's the incentive to improve and draft well and obtain key acquisitions if they're all going to bolt the first chance they get to play with a contender?

If you build a contender around them, then they won't leave to go play for one.

Killer Cars: Toronto's a huge, multicultural metropolis, yet some American athletes act as if they think it's Saskatoon or something.

I'm talking perception, not reality. And people aren't really into NYC for the weather. More for it being the media capital of at least the Western Hemisphere. The Bulls don't exactly attract big-name free agents, either.

Shelbyville: Dude it's not hard to find games streaming online. A quick Google search for a stream or check out a site like vipbox

And if you want to be legal, it's not like League Pass is expensive.


i have league pass and blazer games are still blacked out

i have to be a criminal to support my team - yay !

so, in case you missed it:  FARK COMCAST & FARK THE BLAZERS FOR SIGNING WITH THE DEVIL
 
2014-01-08 06:16:46 PM

IAmRight: Ishkur: Where's the incentive to improve and draft well and obtain key acquisitions if they're all going to bolt the first chance they get to play with a contender?

If you build a contender around them, then they won't leave to go play for one.

Killer Cars: Toronto's a huge, multicultural metropolis, yet some American athletes act as if they think it's Saskatoon or something.

I'm talking perception, not reality. And people aren't really into NYC for the weather. More for it being the media capital of at least the Western Hemisphere. The Bulls don't exactly attract big-name free agents, either.

Shelbyville: Dude it's not hard to find games streaming online. A quick Google search for a stream or check out a site like vipbox

And if you want to be legal, it's not like League Pass is expensive.


also: i see you post things that are blatantly wrong often.  considering your name, are you just trolling?
 
2014-01-08 06:22:50 PM

ClavellBCMI: An NBA configuration of the seating allows for more seats because the court for a basketball game is smaller than an NHL-size hockey rink (especially in length, which allows for more seats at the ends of the court at floor level).


Thanks, captain obvious. The question was the precise number of seats, which I basically estimated later. 1,500 is a not-insignificant difference.

inner ted: also: i see you post things that are blatantly wrong often.  considering your name, are you just trolling?


What I post 90% of the time is basically the equivalent of "everyone here is being way too extreme on an opinion; reality is something far less interesting and you're dumb for acting as though it's not."

Am I more of a dick than I need to be a lot of the time? Sure. I try to stop myself when I step back and think about things before I hit "Add Comment," but that doesn't always happen.

But hey, if not going along with the groupthink and idiocy spouted from ESPN and passed on to idiot fans makes me wrong, then I'm happy to be that way.

/and if I actually am wrong, I admit it quickly.
 
2014-01-08 06:23:35 PM

R.A.Danny: nyseattitude: theesir: I love it when people say they can't follow hockey on TV.

I'll be polite and leave it at that.

It is difficult if you don't know the game. The NHL needs to adopt a more NFL style of informing the viewers.

Maybe I'm spoiled by the Pat and Eddy, but I don't have a clue what you are talking about.


Make it easier for viewers to understand what is going on. The NFL explains everything to the viewers in the form of hand signals and voice. This allows the viewer to learn the game as well as understand what just occurred. The NHL has started using mic's and announcing some calls but they should do it every time. Blowing a whistle and signaling roughing doesn't inform viewers of much. Blow the whistle, stand in front of the time keeps booth and verbally announce the call while using the signals. Now a new viewer will learn the hand signals and understand what just occurred.
 
2014-01-08 06:37:50 PM

nyseattitude: R.A.Danny: nyseattitude: theesir: I love it when people say they can't follow hockey on TV.

I'll be polite and leave it at that.

It is difficult if you don't know the game. The NHL needs to adopt a more NFL style of informing the viewers.

Maybe I'm spoiled by the Pat and Eddy, but I don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Make it easier for viewers to understand what is going on. The NFL explains everything to the viewers in the form of hand signals and voice. This allows the viewer to learn the game as well as understand what just occurred. The NHL has started using mic's and announcing some calls but they should do it every time. Blowing a whistle and signaling roughing doesn't inform viewers of much. Blow the whistle, stand in front of the time keeps booth and verbally announce the call while using the signals. Now a new viewer will learn the hand signals and understand what just occurred.


And there should be some easier way of following that tiny little puck around. Why hasn't anyone tried this?
 
2014-01-08 06:42:41 PM

IAmRight: If you build a contender around them, then they won't leave to go play for one.


Cleveland did just that very thing. It mattered not.
 
2014-01-08 06:59:59 PM
So 4 of Chicago's 5 major teams sellout. The Sox might have to start giving out Italian Beef sandwiches and deep dish pizza or something
/Not really, but they might do better if they reduce their food and beer prices
//Went to the last season game in 05' was drunk off my ass, because the guys behind me and my brother somehow brought in a 5th of Jack and shared
 
2014-01-08 07:01:10 PM

IAmRight: . Toronto had issues with the Canadian dollar not being worth anything,


MLSE cares not a thing about the Loonie.  It could be worth 50 cents and it wouldn't put a dent in their profits.
 
2014-01-08 07:06:05 PM

rjakobi: Mike_LowELL: Did some quick math and the NBA is averaging 16,927 a game (league average of 296,234 paid attendance per team divided into 17.5 home games) against 17,434 a game (league average of 380,654 paid attendance per team divided into 21.83 home games).  Hardly anything dominating, but let's not let this get in the way of a good old fashioned hockey vs. basketball thread.  After all, too many thugs and too many fights in the NBA.  I'll stick to hockey.  Thanks.

17.5 games? Was there an NBA game so boring that both teams went "fark it, let's go to Golden Corral" and left at halftime?


Math.  You suck at it.
 
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