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2014-01-08 04:17:24 PM  
As I don't watch either sport, I don't know offhand, so I'm asking here...  how many seats are there in NHL venues versus NBA venues?
 
2014-01-08 04:22:55 PM  

timujin: As I don't watch either sport, I don't know offhand, so I'm asking here...  how many seats are there in NHL venues versus NBA venues?


Many of them share the same venuses, so even though the configurations may change the number of seats slightly, it really isn't enough to make a huge difference.
 
2014-01-08 04:33:03 PM  

R.A.Danny: timujin: As I don't watch either sport, I don't know offhand, so I'm asking here...  how many seats are there in NHL venues versus NBA venues?

Many of them share the same venuses, so even though the configurations may change the number of seats slightly, it really isn't enough to make a huge difference.


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2014-01-08 04:34:08 PM  
That's because it's impossible to watch hockey on TV. I believe the NHL's current home is channel pi
 
2014-01-08 04:35:04 PM  

timujin: R.A.Danny: timujin: As I don't watch either sport, I don't know offhand, so I'm asking here...  how many seats are there in NHL venues versus NBA venues?

Many of them share the same venuses, so even though the configurations may change the number of seats slightly, it really isn't enough to make a huge difference.

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I meant to type penuses.
 
2014-01-08 04:37:19 PM  
Did some quick math and the NBA is averaging 16,927 a game (league average of 296,234 paid attendance per team divided into 17.5 home games) against 17,434 a game (league average of 380,654 paid attendance per team divided into 21.83 home games).  Hardly anything dominating, but let's not let this get in the way of a good old fashioned hockey vs. basketball thread.  After all, too many thugs and too many fights in the NBA.  I'll stick to hockey.  Thanks.
 
2014-01-08 04:39:18 PM  

R.A.Danny: timujin: As I don't watch either sport, I don't know offhand, so I'm asking here...  how many seats are there in NHL venues versus NBA venues?

Many of them share the same venuses, so even though the configurations may change the number of seats slightly, it really isn't enough to make a huge difference.


Approximately 1,000-2,500 seats depending on configuration and design.

The NHL Markets that sell out BTW:  Detroit Red Wings, Chicago Blackhawks, Montreal Canadiens, Philadelphia Flyers, Toronto Maple Leafs, Calgary Flames, Vancouver Canucks, Pittsburgh Penguins, Washington Capitals, Minnesota Wild, Los Angeles Kings, New York Rangers, Boston Bruins, San Jose Sharks and Winnipeg Jets.

So the Original Six plus the state of PA,, DC, Middle and Western Canada, Minnesota and two of the three California franchises.  In a way it's not all surprising that all of these sellout, especially with the Kings recent Stanley Cup run.

The NBA Markets:  Chicago Bulls, Dallas Mavericks, New York Knicks, Miami Heat, Golden State Warriors, Los Angeles Clippers, Oklahoma City Thunder and Houston Rockets.

Chicago, NY, Miami, LAC, OKC, and HOU aren't really surprising.  GS is kind of a surprise but not really, same goes for DAL even though they're always contending for a playoff spot every year.
 
2014-01-08 04:39:34 PM  
Sold out venues are irrelevant when there's no blackout rules in effect. What's the ticket revenue?
 
2014-01-08 04:40:49 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Did some quick math and the NBA is averaging 16,927 a game (league average of 296,234 paid attendance per team divided into 17.5 home games) against 17,434 a game (league average of 380,654 paid attendance per team divided into 21.83 home games).  Hardly anything dominating, but let's not let this get in the way of a good old fashioned hockey vs. basketball thread.  After all, too many thugs and too many fights in the NBA.  I'll stick to hockey.  Thanks.


17.5 games? Was there an NBA game so boring that both teams went "fark it, let's go to Golden Corral" and left at halftime?
 
2014-01-08 04:41:00 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: That's because it's impossible to watch hockey on TV. I believe the NHL's current home is channel pi


If you can't find NHL Network, NBCSN, or local coverage on one of the CSN or FSN channels in this day and age of instant information, then you obviously don't care to watch hockey.

That narrative is about as worn out as Colin Cowherd's constant preaching that no one cares about hockey and the MLS has surpassed it.
 
2014-01-08 04:42:42 PM  

fatalvenom: HaywoodJablonski: That's because it's impossible to watch hockey on TV. I believe the NHL's current home is channel pi

If you can't find NHL Network, NBCSN, or local coverage on one of the CSN or FSN channels in this day and age of instant information, then you obviously don't care to watch hockey.

That narrative is about as worn out as Colin Cowherd's constant preaching that no one cares about hockey and the MLS has surpassed it.


Thankfullly got NBCSN back as a basic channel on my system so "YAY! MOAR HOCKEY!" as well as the Premier League.
 
2014-01-08 04:43:52 PM  
I'm not a hockey fan but I'm going to a game in a couple of weeks (Blues at Rangers) with a colleague who's a season ticket holder, and I'm looking forward to it. The funny thing is I think the aforementioned colleague is more excited about me going to the game than I am. He's sent me a bunch of links to Rangers sites/blogs and just stopped by a few minutes ago to remind me the Rangers are on NBC Sports tonight. If you have a passion, I guess it's fun to share it.

But hey, since the NBA officially doesn't exist, I think it would be healthy for me to get into a winter sport. I went to one NHL game a few years ago and had a lot of fun.
 
2014-01-08 04:44:32 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: That's because it's impossible to watch hockey on TV. I believe the NHL's current home is channel pi


You should learn how to work your remote, gramps.
 
2014-01-08 04:46:52 PM  
I've been to more NHL games than NBA games, and I'd consider myself a much bigger NBA fan.  My issue is that the local team is the Dubs, and there's no good way to get there without being close to BART.

/Probably become season ticket holder if they move to SF
//Loves me some NBA
 
2014-01-08 04:47:05 PM  

Super Chronic: I'm not a hockey fan but I'm going to a game in a couple of weeks


Going to any sporting event is a lot of fun. Hockey even more so.
 
2014-01-08 04:48:15 PM  

timujin: As I don't watch either sport, I don't know offhand, so I'm asking here...  how many seats are there in NHL venues versus NBA venues?


Most arenas that have teams in both sports will have slightly smaller seating capacities for hockey over basketball. But the difference might be no more than a thousand seats on average. Madison Square Garden might have the largest difference because they cut out a lot of seats for Rangers games.

To me, the bigger story is that 10 of the 15 NHL teams averaging a sell out are in the USA. That's outnumbering the NBA by itself. IMO, that's a byproduct of how poor the NBA product is right now. Some games are just impossible to watch from all the poor shooting and horrid officiating.
 
2014-01-08 04:51:48 PM  

Rwa2play: The NHL Markets that sell out BTW:  Detroit Red Wings, Chicago Blackhawks, Montreal Canadiens, Philadelphia Flyers, Toronto Maple Leafs, Calgary Flames, Vancouver Canucks, Pittsburgh Penguins, Washington Capitals, Minnesota Wild, Los Angeles Kings, New York Rangers, Boston Bruins, San Jose Sharks and Winnipeg Jets.


I move that Winnipeg gets an asterisk on the grounds that they have the smallest arena in the league at 15,000.
 
2014-01-08 04:52:39 PM  

desertgeek: timujin: As I don't watch either sport, I don't know offhand, so I'm asking here...  how many seats are there in NHL venues versus NBA venues?

Most arenas that have teams in both sports will have slightly smaller seating capacities for hockey over basketball. But the difference might be no more than a thousand seats on average.


According to what Mike_LowELL posted above, that's enough to cover the difference in the "sold out" games.  A more interesting story would have been overall ticket sales... or, if possible, single game viewership.
 
2014-01-08 04:53:18 PM  

desertgeek: Rwa2play: The NHL Markets that sell out BTW:  Detroit Red Wings, Chicago Blackhawks, Montreal Canadiens, Philadelphia Flyers, Toronto Maple Leafs, Calgary Flames, Vancouver Canucks, Pittsburgh Penguins, Washington Capitals, Minnesota Wild, Los Angeles Kings, New York Rangers, Boston Bruins, San Jose Sharks and Winnipeg Jets.

I move that Winnipeg gets an asterisk on the grounds that they have the smallest arena in the league at 15,000.


As punishment, they should be sent back to Atlanta.

Pretty please send hockey back here.  I miss it.
 
2014-01-08 04:53:47 PM  

desertgeek: I move that Winnipeg gets an asterisk on the grounds that they have the smallest arena in the league at 15,000.


They'd still be 2000 short of a sellout in Phoenix.
 
2014-01-08 04:53:52 PM  

desertgeek: IMO, that's a byproduct of how poor the NBA product is right now. Some games are just impossible to watch from all the poor shooting and horrid officiating.


Or the fact that hockey tickets are less expensive than NBA tickets.

Or this:

Celtics: Average 17,825
Bruins: Average 17,565

Bruins are 100%; Celtics are 95.7%

So there are either a lot more seats to sell in basketball (there is a significant number), or numbers are massaged.
 
2014-01-08 04:54:09 PM  
I love it when people say they can't follow hockey on TV.

I'll be polite and leave it at that.
 
2014-01-08 04:56:36 PM  

theesir: I love it when people say they can't follow hockey on TV.

I'll be polite and leave it at that.


Commas are important, that's all I am saying.

www.usa-traffic-signs.com
 
2014-01-08 04:57:06 PM  
so the NBA is a flop?
 
2014-01-08 04:59:02 PM  
Actually, based on Knicks and Rangers, both of whom share the same place and claim 100% capacity, there appears to be roughly 1,500 more tickets available for NBA games than NHL games.
 
2014-01-08 04:59:48 PM  
Good. If for no other reason than it makes Bill Simmons cry moar.
 
2014-01-08 05:02:40 PM  

IAmRight: Actually, based on Knicks and Rangers, both of whom share the same place and claim 100% capacity, there appears to be roughly 1,500 more tickets available for NBA games than NHL games.


If there were 1500 more seats for NHL games would you say that they would remain assless?
 
2014-01-08 05:03:59 PM  
I thought the NHL folded years ago, because I get my sports news from ESPN, home of the NBA and the SEC.
 
2014-01-08 05:04:38 PM  

desertgeek: Rwa2play: The NHL Markets that sell out BTW:  Detroit Red Wings, Chicago Blackhawks, Montreal Canadiens, Philadelphia Flyers, Toronto Maple Leafs, Calgary Flames, Vancouver Canucks, Pittsburgh Penguins, Washington Capitals, Minnesota Wild, Los Angeles Kings, New York Rangers, Boston Bruins, San Jose Sharks and Winnipeg Jets.

I move that Winnipeg gets an asterisk on the grounds that they have the smallest arena in the league at 15,000.


HEY, it's 15004!

Besides, even if the arena could seat 17000 or 17500, they'd still sell out.  They just couldn't charge as much for tickets as they do.  Personally, I'd take 15000 and sold out with one of the highest average ticket prices in the league than having a larger arena with empty seats and low average ticket price.

btw, I wish the 'Yotes had more fans like you.  You're passionate, and know your stuff.  I'm happy you still have a team to cheer for.
 
2014-01-08 05:06:05 PM  

Weigard: Good. If for no other reason than it makes Bill Simmons cry moar.


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2014-01-08 05:07:38 PM  

R.A.Danny: If there were 1500 more seats for NHL games would you say that they would remain assless?


No; I'm saying that it's intellectually dishonest to act as though 100% capacity matters in any way for a league that doesn't have blackout rules if you don't meet capacity.

If an NHL team had 1500 more seats and sold 1000 of them, they'd be making more money, but would no longer be at the magical 100% barrier, so by the yes/no logic of "is it sold out?", they'd be failing/not as successful.
 
2014-01-08 05:10:00 PM  

IAmRight: No; I'm saying that it's intellectually dishonest to act as though 100% capacity matters in any way for a league that doesn't have blackout rules if you don't meet capacity.


Blackout rules don't mean shiat.
 
2014-01-08 05:11:04 PM  

desertgeek: Rwa2play: The NHL Markets that sell out BTW:  Detroit Red Wings, Chicago Blackhawks, Montreal Canadiens, Philadelphia Flyers, Toronto Maple Leafs, Calgary Flames, Vancouver Canucks, Pittsburgh Penguins, Washington Capitals, Minnesota Wild, Los Angeles Kings, New York Rangers, Boston Bruins, San Jose Sharks and Winnipeg Jets.

I move that Winnipeg gets an asterisk on the grounds that they have the smallest arena in the league at 15,000.


Overruled.  Hockey is Canada's national sport.
 
2014-01-08 05:11:28 PM  

Weigard: Good. If for no other reason than it makes Bill Simmons cry moar.


Ah yes, Mr. Everything Wrong With Boston Sports Fans.

fatalvenom: Weigard: Good. If for no other reason than it makes Bill Simmons cry moar.

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Gets me every time.
 
2014-01-08 05:13:08 PM  

fatalvenom: Weigard: Good. If for no other reason than it makes Bill Simmons cry moar.

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Hey c'mon, at least Simmons can admit he's wrong about things.  Unlike those two 'tards on First Take.

God I hate those two.
 
2014-01-08 05:14:16 PM  

Rwa2play: fatalvenom: Weigard: Good. If for no other reason than it makes Bill Simmons cry moar.

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Hey c'mon, at least Simmons can admit he's wrong about things.  Unlike those two 'tards on First Take.

God I hate those two.


Choosing a low, low bar to hurdle there.
 
2014-01-08 05:14:55 PM  

R.A.Danny: Blackout rules don't mean shiat.


They'd be the No. 1 incentive to bother talking about sellouts.

Aside from pretending it's difficult to get tickets.

/not sure why you care; Chicago sells out for both the Bulls and Blackhawks - and the Blackhawks are the better team to watch. Hell, even when the Bulls were fully healthy, there's nothing enjoyable about watching them.
 
2014-01-08 05:15:51 PM  

IAmRight: They'd be the No. 1 incentive to bother talking about sellouts.


Wirtz's death disproved that.
 
2014-01-08 05:16:30 PM  

Weigard: Good. If for no other reason than it makes Bill Simmons cry moar.


About the fact that the NBA makes 2x as much as the NHL on broadcasting? That franchises are worth 2x as much? That ratings are way higher?
 
2014-01-08 05:16:37 PM  

IAmRight: So there are either a lot more seats to sell in basketball


Yes there are more seats, but you'll only need the EDGE EDGE EDGE!!!
 
2014-01-08 05:18:23 PM  
I think the fact there is a lot more parity in the nhl vs the nba means more of the markets are invested in their teams. This season it seems like over 3/4 of the nba is obviously tanking. Why pay to go to a game when your team doesn't care about this season and is purposely putting an inferior product on the floor.

A league of 5 Harlem globetrotters and 25 Washington Generals is fundamentally flawed.
 
2014-01-08 05:18:37 PM  

R.A.Danny: IAmRight: They'd be the No. 1 incentive to bother talking about sellouts.

Wirtz's death disproved that.


How did it disprove that? People got more interested in the team the more they could see it. You don't want to have your team blacked out. Wirtz was an idiot and I'm pretty sure all of Chicago agrees with that (at their kindest).
 
2014-01-08 05:20:15 PM  

IAmRight: Wirtz was an idiot


NO! He was generous enough to bring us joy by dying.
 
2014-01-08 05:20:41 PM  

Shelbyville: I think the fact there is a lot more parity in the nhl vs the nba means more of the markets are invested in their teams. This season it seems like over 3/4 of the nba is obviously tanking. Why pay to go to a game when your team doesn't care about this season and is purposely putting an inferior product on the floor.

A league of 5 Harlem globetrotters and 25 Washington Generals is fundamentally flawed.


The Atlantic Division needs to be razed to the ground and have the land salted so that nothing can ever grow again.
 
2014-01-08 05:22:07 PM  
Yeah and Hockey charges you $60 dollars to get in the door, when Basketball charges about $15.

Hockey also has a lower salary cap.

Those hockey owners are laughing at baskeball owners.
 
2014-01-08 05:22:34 PM  

Flappyhead: Shelbyville: I think the fact there is a lot more parity in the nhl vs the nba means more of the markets are invested in their teams. This season it seems like over 3/4 of the nba is obviously tanking. Why pay to go to a game when your team doesn't care about this season and is purposely putting an inferior product on the floor.

A league of 5 Harlem globetrotters and 25 Washington Generals is fundamentally flawed.

The Atlantic Division needs to be razed to the ground and have the land salted so that nothing can ever grow again.


What is the answer there? It seems that there is enough talent coming out of colleges (or without college) to avoid diluting the pool, but there is still so much suck in the NBA today.
 
2014-01-08 05:22:35 PM  

Flappyhead: The Atlantic Division needs to be razed to the ground and have the land salted so that nothing can ever grow again.


C'mon, Boston's allowed to have a down year. I hate the Celtics but they'll be back soon.
 
2014-01-08 05:23:40 PM  

theesir: I love it when people say they can't follow hockey on TV.

I'll be polite and leave it at that.


It is difficult if you don't know the game. The NHL needs to adopt a more NFL style of informing the viewers.
 
2014-01-08 05:23:49 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Those hockey owners are laughing at baskeball owners.


Because their properties are worth twice the hockey owners' properties? Okay.
 
2014-01-08 05:24:36 PM  

Ennzie: desertgeek: Rwa2play: The NHL Markets that sell out BTW:  Detroit Red Wings, Chicago Blackhawks, Montreal Canadiens, Philadelphia Flyers, Toronto Maple Leafs, Calgary Flames, Vancouver Canucks, Pittsburgh Penguins, Washington Capitals, Minnesota Wild, Los Angeles Kings, New York Rangers, Boston Bruins, San Jose Sharks and Winnipeg Jets.

I move that Winnipeg gets an asterisk on the grounds that they have the smallest arena in the league at 15,000.

HEY, it's 15004!

Besides, even if the arena could seat 17000 or 17500, they'd still sell out.  They just couldn't charge as much for tickets as they do.  Personally, I'd take 15000 and sold out with one of the highest average ticket prices in the league than having a larger arena with empty seats and low average ticket price.

btw, I wish the 'Yotes had more fans like you.  You're passionate, and know your stuff.  I'm happy you still have a team to cheer for.


Came to bring up the first point, and add smallish metro area as well.  But totally agree with the second part as well.  Fan on, DG!
 
2014-01-08 05:25:14 PM  

desertgeek: I move that Winnipeg gets an asterisk on the grounds that they have the smallest arena in the league at 15,000.


True, but Winnipeg has definitely one of the smallest (if not THE smallest) metro pop among all NHL markets.

15,000 Winnipegians (is that what you call them?) showing up a night is more impressive to me than 20,000 Torontonians. Especially in farking January or something.
 
2014-01-08 05:25:53 PM  

IAmRight: Jim from Saint Paul: Those hockey owners are laughing at baskeball owners.

Because their properties are worth twice the hockey owners' properties? Okay.


Please elaborate.

Because all I can see is Hockey dudes drawing in more money and having to pay less out then Basektball dudes.
 
2014-01-08 05:26:09 PM  

nyseattitude: theesir: I love it when people say they can't follow hockey on TV.

I'll be polite and leave it at that.

It is difficult if you don't know the game. The NHL needs to adopt a more NFL style of informing the viewers.


Maybe I'm spoiled by the Pat and Eddy, but I don't have a clue what you are talking about.
 
2014-01-08 05:26:55 PM  

desertgeek: timujin: As I don't watch either sport, I don't know offhand, so I'm asking here...  how many seats are there in NHL venues versus NBA venues?

Most arenas that have teams in both sports will have slightly smaller seating capacities for hockey over basketball. But the difference might be no more than a thousand seats on average. Madison Square Garden might have the largest difference because they cut out a lot of seats for Rangers games.

To me, the bigger story is that 10 of the 15 NHL teams averaging a sell out are in the USA. That's outnumbering the NBA by itself. IMO, that's a byproduct of how poor the NBA product is right now. Some games are just impossible to watch from all the poor shooting and horrid officiating.


The nba has lost its marketing edge because its always been the same half dozen or so teams fighting for a title and the rest of the league gets a participation ribbon, but more and more of the teams in locations that aren't LA or Boston wonder why do they even bother supporting a league where they are eliminated before the season even starts.

Yes I know that in the last 34 years a whopping 9 teams have been nba champs, and include large runs by Chicago and smaller runs by San Antonio/Detroit/Miami/Houston. It seems that instead of following the parity route of the NFL or even a limited free market of the MLB the NBA seems to actively encourage its major markets and give the finger to the lesser markets.
 
2014-01-08 05:27:34 PM  

Flappyhead: Shelbyville: I think the fact there is a lot more parity in the nhl vs the nba means more of the markets are invested in their teams. This season it seems like over 3/4 of the nba is obviously tanking. Why pay to go to a game when your team doesn't care about this season and is purposely putting an inferior product on the floor.

A league of 5 Harlem globetrotters and 25 Washington Generals is fundamentally flawed.

The Atlantic Division needs to be razed to the ground and have the land salted so that nothing can ever grow again.


hehehe   ...But Raptors
 
2014-01-08 05:28:33 PM  

Flappyhead: Shelbyville: I think the fact there is a lot more parity in the nhl vs the nba means more of the markets are invested in their teams. This season it seems like over 3/4 of the nba is obviously tanking. Why pay to go to a game when your team doesn't care about this season and is purposely putting an inferior product on the floor.

A league of 5 Harlem globetrotters and 25 Washington Generals is fundamentally flawed.

The Atlantic Division needs to be razed to the ground and have the land salted so that nothing can ever grow again.


You can start with the Knicks and Jim Dolan.  Be my guest.
 
2014-01-08 05:30:53 PM  

farbekrieg: It seems that instead of following the parity route of the NFL or even a limited free market of the MLB the NBA seems to actively encourage its major markets and give the finger to the lesser markets.


The largest markets in the NBA are currently either laughingstocks (hey there, both NYC teams) or just boringly mediocre with the exception of the Clippers. I get your larger point but the actual competitive teams currently are in small to medium sized markets.
 
2014-01-08 05:32:26 PM  

Killer Cars: farbekrieg: It seems that instead of following the parity route of the NFL or even a limited free market of the MLB the NBA seems to actively encourage its major markets and give the finger to the lesser markets.

The largest markets in the NBA are currently either laughingstocks (hey there, both NYC teams) or just boringly mediocre with the exception of the Clippers. I get your larger point but the actual competitive teams currently are in small to medium sized markets.


that only makes sense if it wasn't a forgone conclusion the heat win a 3rd straight title, OKC does have a chance but ultimately I think they will butt fumble it away.
 
2014-01-08 05:32:33 PM  

Killer Cars: farbekrieg: It seems that instead of following the parity route of the NFL or even a limited free market of the MLB the NBA seems to actively encourage its major markets and give the finger to the lesser markets.

The largest markets in the NBA are currently either laughingstocks (hey there, both NYC teams) or just boringly mediocre with the exception of the Clippers. I get your larger point but the actual competitive teams currently are in small to medium sized markets.


Agreed. Even Chicago has given up on this year. And most likely next.
 
2014-01-08 05:33:06 PM  
R.A.Danny:

What is the answer there? It seems that there is enough talent coming out of colleges (or without college) to avoid diluting the pool, but there is still so much suck in the NBA today.

I'll try not go all ranty here but I think the issue is so many teams are built around one player.  Now you need that superstar to win, there's simply no denying that, but a lot of times it's just him and four other random pieces on the court.  You look at the top franchises for the last twenty years and the common denominator is building a strong supporting cast around the one or two big stars, while for reasons unknown to anyone the rest just throw the top draft pick out there and hope for the best.
 
2014-01-08 05:33:39 PM  

R.A.Danny: nyseattitude: theesir: I love it when people say they can't follow hockey on TV.

I'll be polite and leave it at that.

It is difficult if you don't know the game. The NHL needs to adopt a more NFL style of informing the viewers.

Maybe I'm spoiled by the Pat and Eddy, but I don't have a clue what you are talking about.


How exactly are they supposed to do that? A big sign over the net saying puck goes in here?

I will admit if you're watching the nbcsn broadcast their announcers are pretty awful, and go out of their way to slobber on Sidney Crosby's knob, especially Pierre McGuire.
 
2014-01-08 05:34:35 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Because all I can see is Hockey dudes drawing in more money and having to pay less out then Basektball dudes.


Look at when the teams get sold. Look at the television contracts. Gate receipts are a tiny fraction of income.

farbekrieg: Yes I know that in the last 34 years a whopping 9 teams have been nba champs, and include large runs by Chicago and smaller runs by San Antonio/Detroit/Miami/Houston. It seems that instead of following the parity route of the NFL or even a limited free market of the MLB the NBA seems to actively encourage its major markets and give the finger to the lesser markets.


That's due to the sport and the playoff setup actually resulting in the best team winning the title for the most part. One-and-done playoffs like the NFL (or now, laughably, MLB), create a bunch of different outcomes. This is one of the flaws of playoffs - stupid people assume that they are accurate representations of a season.

If last year's Ravens had to play the Broncos 7 times, they probably lose. But they only had to play them once, and then a single stupid play by a Broncos safety gave them the win.

The difference between the NBA and the NHL is that in the NHL a goalie can be such a huge influence that if he stands on his head, he can overcome a superior team almost by himself (obviously someone has to score at some point). But in basketball, one person can't shut down an opposing offense, no matter how dominant they are.
 
2014-01-08 05:36:19 PM  

farbekrieg: that only makes sense if it wasn't a forgone conclusion the heat win a 3rd straight title, OKC does have a chance but ultimately I think they will butt fumble it away.


So does Indiana, who almost beat the Heat last year. So do the Spurs, who were a couple of seconds away from being the champs last year. So do the Clippers. And the Blazers (somehow).
 
2014-01-08 05:36:24 PM  

Shelbyville: R.A.Danny: nyseattitude: theesir: I love it when people say they can't follow hockey on TV.

I'll be polite and leave it at that.

It is difficult if you don't know the game. The NHL needs to adopt a more NFL style of informing the viewers.

Maybe I'm spoiled by the Pat and Eddy, but I don't have a clue what you are talking about.

How exactly are they supposed to do that? A big sign over the net saying puck goes in here?

I will admit if you're watching the nbcsn broadcast their announcers are pretty awful, and go out of their way to slobber on Sidney Crosby's knob, especially Pierre McGuire.


Pat and Eddy will mention the shift changes, the mistakes away from the puck, and highlight early in a play where the goal that was just scored really began. Watch a few games with them and you will have a better fan experience forever. I don't know about other teams, but I think they are exceptional.
 
2014-01-08 05:38:11 PM  

farbekrieg: that only makes sense if it wasn't a forgone conclusion the heat win a 3rd straight title


Let's assume Miami wins it again this year....Miami is not a "big" market, in fact it ranks behind even Minneapolis and Seattle according to Nielsen's DMA rankings.

I was trying to say there's a point in arguing a lack of parity in the NBA, but it's tied to franchises that keep winning, not market size.
 
2014-01-08 05:40:11 PM  

IAmRight: Flappyhead: The Atlantic Division needs to be razed to the ground and have the land salted so that nothing can ever grow again.

C'mon, Boston's allowed to have a down year. I hate the Celtics but they'll be back soon.


Maybe, but look back over the last 14 years.  Outside of a few seasons the Atlantic has been utterly abysmal.  I have no real explanation how a division with that many large markets can be so utterly shiat overall for so long.
 
2014-01-08 05:42:00 PM  
We President now?
 
2014-01-08 05:43:09 PM  
Hockey is the only game that doesn't look better on an HD TV. Just my opinion.
 
2014-01-08 05:43:51 PM  
i'd just like to take this opportunity to say a hearty FARK YOU to  COMCAST  &  the Portland Trail Blazers for blacking out games

makes it awful hard to support the home team when you do shiat like this.

that it's a 20 year deal only makes the hate burn more

& i sat through so many seasons as a comcast customer as the blazers just sucked a bucket full of dick - then i move & don't have teh comcast (cause F those guys) and now rarely see a game & they are kicking ass.

in conclusion:  FARK YOU  comcast  & FARK YOU blazers for signing a deal with satan
 
2014-01-08 05:45:47 PM  

Flappyhead: I have no real explanation how a division with that many large markets can be so utterly shiat overall for so long.


I'm pretty sure someone mentioned Dolan. Boston's a solid organization. Toronto had issues with the Canadian dollar not being worth anything, now they have an issue with the fact that no one likes winter except people who don't have a choice so they pretend they like it. Same goes for the other teams. The Nets are being managed stupidly and have had some decent squads over the past 15 years or so. And why would someone voluntarily play for a Philly team in any league?
 
2014-01-08 05:46:29 PM  

uncleacid: Hockey is the only game that doesn't look better on an HD TV. Just my opinion.


You get your eyes checked recently?
 
2014-01-08 05:47:37 PM  

Flappyhead: 'll try not go all ranty here but I think the issue is so many teams are built around one player. Now you need that superstar to win, there's simply no denying that, but a lot of times it's just him and four other random pieces on the court. You look at the top franchises for the last twenty years and the common denominator is building a strong supporting cast around the one or two big stars, while for reasons unknown to anyone the rest just throw the top draft pick out there and hope for the best.


Basketball dynasties remind me a lot of tennis. Sure, there are many competitors, but only a small handful really have a shot at winning anything, and every so often one guy/team will win everything for a few years.

The NBA is suffering because the competition is just not there. 80% of the teams do not have a realistic shot at winning the championship, and with player collusion becoming more of a thing, we're going to see more of that in the future: The same few teams just loading up all the best players and then battling it out. Lebron leaving Cleveland has really left a bad taste in a lot of small markets' mouths. Where's the incentive to improve and draft well and obtain key acquisitions if they're all going to bolt the first chance they get to play with a contender?

It's not as bad as club level European soccer, where the same team wins EVERY year, but it's slowly progressing toward that expected outcome. That's a far cry from the NHL or NFL, which have more parity and where at least half the teams are legitimate threats at winning something, if not the Stanley Cup. Keeps interest high.
 
2014-01-08 05:48:00 PM  

fatalvenom: uncleacid: Hockey is the only game that doesn't look better on an HD TV. Just my opinion.

You get your eyes checked recently?


He must need a bigger TV.

I need a bigger TV

EVERYONE needs a bigger TV
 
2014-01-08 05:49:09 PM  
Love Hockey.  SJ Sharks fan since the inception,  Damn near every game every season is sold out, and that includes Sharks vs. Kings  when both teams were lousy in the '90's.

GS Warriors have a great team, and I am watching b-ball again.  Mark Jackson has that team playing hard every night.  They have drawn well even when they sucked.
 
2014-01-08 05:51:17 PM  

inner ted: i'd just like to take this opportunity to say a hearty FARK YOU to  COMCAST  &  the Portland Trail Blazers for blacking out games

makes it awful hard to support the home team when you do shiat like this.

that it's a 20 year deal only makes the hate burn more

& i sat through so many seasons as a comcast customer as the blazers just sucked a bucket full of dick - then i move & don't have teh comcast (cause F those guys) and now rarely see a game & they are kicking ass.

in conclusion:  FARK YOU  comcast  & FARK YOU blazers for signing a deal with satan


Dude it's not hard to find games streaming online. A quick Google search for a stream or check out a site like vipbox

Not to take anything away from your anti comcast rant fark those guys.
 
2014-01-08 05:51:46 PM  
I wish the NBA and NHL didnt play in the same season so we didnt have to deal with these nonsensical pissing contests.

Both leagues are fun.  Some prefer one to the other, some like both equally.  There is nothing to win here.
 
2014-01-08 05:54:17 PM  

inner ted: i'd just like to take this opportunity to say a hearty FARK YOU to  COMCAST  &  the Portland Trail Blazers for blacking out games

makes it awful hard to support the home team when you do shiat like this.

that it's a 20 year deal only makes the hate burn more

& i sat through so many seasons as a comcast customer as the blazers just sucked a bucket full of dick - then i move & don't have teh comcast (cause F those guys) and now rarely see a game & they are kicking ass.

in conclusion:  FARK YOU  comcast  & FARK YOU blazers for signing a deal with satan


When were the Blazer sucking buckets full of dicks?  Havent they been consistently decent to good for 30 years?
 
2014-01-08 05:55:00 PM  

IAmRight: Toronto had issues with the Canadian dollar not being worth anything, now they have an issue with the fact that no one likes winter except people who don't have a choice so they pretend they like it.


I always found that latter point about Toronto strange because the winters aren't really much "better" in NYC, Chicago, etc, but Toronto from my experience (especially if you're rich, which I'm not) can be just as fun to blow your money in.

Toronto's a huge, multicultural metropolis, yet some American athletes act as if they think it's Saskatoon or something.
 
2014-01-08 05:55:53 PM  

uknowzit: Love Hockey.  SJ Sharks fan since the inception,


I go to SJ a few times a year for work, and found a dive bar that is rabid in their Shark fandom. They tolerate my love for the Blackhawks despite my being there when the Blackhawks beat them.  They made SJ my second favorite team.
 
2014-01-08 06:01:55 PM  

uncleacid: Hockey is the only game that doesn't look better on an HD TV. Just my opinion.


You must be on that NBA Weed.
 
2014-01-08 06:04:31 PM  

Ishkur: Flappyhead: 'll try not go all ranty here but I think the issue is so many teams are built around one player. Now you need that superstar to win, there's simply no denying that, but a lot of times it's just him and four other random pieces on the court. You look at the top franchises for the last twenty years and the common denominator is building a strong supporting cast around the one or two big stars, while for reasons unknown to anyone the rest just throw the top draft pick out there and hope for the best.

Basketball dynasties remind me a lot of tennis. Sure, there are many competitors, but only a small handful really have a shot at winning anything, and every so often one guy/team will win everything for a few years.

The NBA is suffering because the competition is just not there. 80% of the teams do not have a realistic shot at winning the championship, and with player collusion becoming more of a thing, we're going to see more of that in the future: The same few teams just loading up all the best players and then battling it out. Lebron leaving Cleveland has really left a bad taste in a lot of small markets' mouths. Where's the incentive to improve and draft well and obtain key acquisitions if they're all going to bolt the first chance they get to play with a contender?

It's not as bad as club level European soccer, where the same team wins EVERY year, but it's slowly progressing toward that expected outcome. That's a far cry from the NHL or NFL, which have more parity and where at least half the teams are legitimate threats at winning something, if not the Stanley Cup. Keeps interest high.


You sir hit the nail on the head. Super teams play well for national tv, but on the local level no parity means most markets don't care
 
2014-01-08 06:04:49 PM  

Killer Cars: IAmRight: Toronto had issues with the Canadian dollar not being worth anything, now they have an issue with the fact that no one likes winter except people who don't have a choice so they pretend they like it.

I always found that latter point about Toronto strange because the winters aren't really much "better" in NYC, Chicago, etc, but Toronto from my experience (especially if you're rich, which I'm not) can be just as fun to blow your money in.

Toronto's a huge, multicultural metropolis, yet some American athletes act as if they think it's Saskatoon or something.


A lot of times the players biatch and moan about the taxes too.  These are the same guys that are often broke in ten years, so clearly they are getting quality financial advise.
 
2014-01-08 06:05:09 PM  
Love going to the phone booth in my Pens sweater.
 
2014-01-08 06:06:08 PM  

Gunny Highway: When were the Blazer sucking buckets full of dicks?  Havent they been consistently decent to good for 30 years?


But in those rare years when they bottom out, it means the league is going to bring in one of its greatest superstars ever... whom the Blazers will pass up in favor of a middling big man.
 
2014-01-08 06:07:57 PM  

Ennzie: desertgeek: Rwa2play: The NHL Markets that sell out BTW:  Detroit Red Wings, Chicago Blackhawks, Montreal Canadiens, Philadelphia Flyers, Toronto Maple Leafs, Calgary Flames, Vancouver Canucks, Pittsburgh Penguins, Washington Capitals, Minnesota Wild, Los Angeles Kings, New York Rangers, Boston Bruins, San Jose Sharks and Winnipeg Jets.

I move that Winnipeg gets an asterisk on the grounds that they have the smallest arena in the league at 15,000.

HEY, it's 15004!

Besides, even if the arena could seat 17000 or 17500, they'd still sell out.  They just couldn't charge as much for tickets as they do.  Personally, I'd take 15000 and sold out with one of the highest average ticket prices in the league than having a larger arena with empty seats and low average ticket price.

btw, I wish the 'Yotes had more fans like you.  You're passionate, and know your stuff.  I'm happy you still have a team to cheer for.


Certainly they'd still sell out at 17,000 or 17,500. But the Winnipeg market size probably wouldn't allow for anything more than that and if the team starts to really stink, having a 15,000 seat building might be a saving grace for them.

And you and sno man are too kind. I do my best and just wish I could do more.
 
2014-01-08 06:09:41 PM  

Ishkur: Where's the incentive to improve and draft well and obtain key acquisitions if they're all going to bolt the first chance they get to play with a contender?


If you build a contender around them, then they won't leave to go play for one.

Killer Cars: Toronto's a huge, multicultural metropolis, yet some American athletes act as if they think it's Saskatoon or something.


I'm talking perception, not reality. And people aren't really into NYC for the weather. More for it being the media capital of at least the Western Hemisphere. The Bulls don't exactly attract big-name free agents, either.

Shelbyville: Dude it's not hard to find games streaming online. A quick Google search for a stream or check out a site like vipbox


And if you want to be legal, it's not like League Pass is expensive.
 
2014-01-08 06:11:25 PM  

R.A.Danny: fatalvenom: uncleacid: Hockey is the only game that doesn't look better on an HD TV. Just my opinion.

You get your eyes checked recently?

He must need a bigger TV.

I need a bigger TV

EVERYONE needs a bigger TV


Since it seemed like a crazy statement, I assume he meant as compared to the live experience. And it's true that hockey is a great gameday experience, while football, for example, sucks.

/baseball is awful on TV; the only enjoyable part is a nice summer day out in the sun
 
2014-01-08 06:11:37 PM  

Shelbyville: inner ted: i'd just like to take this opportunity to say a hearty FARK YOU to  COMCAST  &  the Portland Trail Blazers for blacking out games

makes it awful hard to support the home team when you do shiat like this.

that it's a 20 year deal only makes the hate burn more

& i sat through so many seasons as a comcast customer as the blazers just sucked a bucket full of dick - then i move & don't have teh comcast (cause F those guys) and now rarely see a game & they are kicking ass.

in conclusion:  FARK YOU  comcast  & FARK YOU blazers for signing a deal with satan

Dude it's not hard to find games streaming online. A quick Google search for a stream or check out a site like vipbox

Not to take anything away from your anti comcast rant fark those guys.


you have intrigued me sir/ma'am
i will have the wife investigate this as i suffer from a case of the tards when it comes to computers.  posting on fark is about as savvy as i get.

Gunny Highway: inner ted: i'd just like to take this opportunity to say a hearty FARK YOU to  COMCAST  &  the Portland Trail Blazers for blacking out games

makes it awful hard to support the home team when you do shiat like this.

that it's a 20 year deal only makes the hate burn more

& i sat through so many seasons as a comcast customer as the blazers just sucked a bucket full of dick - then i move & don't have teh comcast (cause F those guys) and now rarely see a game & they are kicking ass.

in conclusion:  FARK YOU  comcast  & FARK YOU blazers for signing a deal with satan

When were the Blazer sucking buckets full of dicks?  Havent they been consistently decent to good for 30 years?


there was a run from the late 90's to about 2009 - 2010 where we were known as 'jailblazers'  & generally sucked hind teat.

we also suffered from a host of massive injuries (oden & roy) which made me suspect of whoever gave medical clearance to hire those guys in the first place.

last year marked us rebuilding from this mess.  the coach seems great & the players all seem (from the tv anyway) like decent kids trying hard and working together.  they've been on a holy streak of ass kicking this season (from what i hear...i've only seen 3 or 4 games) and it would be neat to support them.

even if it has to be ghetto style on the computer
 
2014-01-08 06:12:03 PM  

IAmRight: desertgeek: IMO, that's a byproduct of how poor the NBA product is right now. Some games are just impossible to watch from all the poor shooting and horrid officiating.

Or the fact that hockey tickets are less expensive than NBA tickets.

Or this:

Celtics: Average 17,825
Bruins: Average 17,565

Bruins are 100%; Celtics are 95.7%

So there are either a lot more seats to sell in basketball (there is a significant number), or numbers are massaged.


An NBA configuration of the seating allows for more seats because the court for a basketball game is smaller than an NHL-size hockey rink (especially in length, which allows for more seats at the ends of the court at floor level).
 
2014-01-08 06:13:02 PM  

Super Chronic: I'm not a hockey fan but I'm going to a game in a couple of weeks (Blues at Rangers) with a colleague who's a season ticket holder, and I'm looking forward to it. The funny thing is I think the aforementioned colleague is more excited about me going to the game than I am. He's sent me a bunch of links to Rangers sites/blogs and just stopped by a few minutes ago to remind me the Rangers are on NBC Sports tonight. If you have a passion, I guess it's fun to share it.

But hey, since the NBA officially doesn't exist, I think it would be healthy for me to get into a winter sport. I went to one NHL game a few years ago and had a lot of fun.


Live hockey is amazing to watch. Try to understand as much about the game before you go.
 
2014-01-08 06:15:02 PM  
As much as you can, before you go.
 
2014-01-08 06:15:11 PM  

IAmRight: Ishkur: Where's the incentive to improve and draft well and obtain key acquisitions if they're all going to bolt the first chance they get to play with a contender?

If you build a contender around them, then they won't leave to go play for one.

Killer Cars: Toronto's a huge, multicultural metropolis, yet some American athletes act as if they think it's Saskatoon or something.

I'm talking perception, not reality. And people aren't really into NYC for the weather. More for it being the media capital of at least the Western Hemisphere. The Bulls don't exactly attract big-name free agents, either.

Shelbyville: Dude it's not hard to find games streaming online. A quick Google search for a stream or check out a site like vipbox

And if you want to be legal, it's not like League Pass is expensive.


i have league pass and blazer games are still blacked out

i have to be a criminal to support my team - yay !

so, in case you missed it:  FARK COMCAST & FARK THE BLAZERS FOR SIGNING WITH THE DEVIL
 
2014-01-08 06:16:46 PM  

IAmRight: Ishkur: Where's the incentive to improve and draft well and obtain key acquisitions if they're all going to bolt the first chance they get to play with a contender?

If you build a contender around them, then they won't leave to go play for one.

Killer Cars: Toronto's a huge, multicultural metropolis, yet some American athletes act as if they think it's Saskatoon or something.

I'm talking perception, not reality. And people aren't really into NYC for the weather. More for it being the media capital of at least the Western Hemisphere. The Bulls don't exactly attract big-name free agents, either.

Shelbyville: Dude it's not hard to find games streaming online. A quick Google search for a stream or check out a site like vipbox

And if you want to be legal, it's not like League Pass is expensive.


also: i see you post things that are blatantly wrong often.  considering your name, are you just trolling?
 
2014-01-08 06:22:50 PM  

ClavellBCMI: An NBA configuration of the seating allows for more seats because the court for a basketball game is smaller than an NHL-size hockey rink (especially in length, which allows for more seats at the ends of the court at floor level).


Thanks, captain obvious. The question was the precise number of seats, which I basically estimated later. 1,500 is a not-insignificant difference.

inner ted: also: i see you post things that are blatantly wrong often.  considering your name, are you just trolling?


What I post 90% of the time is basically the equivalent of "everyone here is being way too extreme on an opinion; reality is something far less interesting and you're dumb for acting as though it's not."

Am I more of a dick than I need to be a lot of the time? Sure. I try to stop myself when I step back and think about things before I hit "Add Comment," but that doesn't always happen.

But hey, if not going along with the groupthink and idiocy spouted from ESPN and passed on to idiot fans makes me wrong, then I'm happy to be that way.

/and if I actually am wrong, I admit it quickly.
 
2014-01-08 06:23:35 PM  

R.A.Danny: nyseattitude: theesir: I love it when people say they can't follow hockey on TV.

I'll be polite and leave it at that.

It is difficult if you don't know the game. The NHL needs to adopt a more NFL style of informing the viewers.

Maybe I'm spoiled by the Pat and Eddy, but I don't have a clue what you are talking about.


Make it easier for viewers to understand what is going on. The NFL explains everything to the viewers in the form of hand signals and voice. This allows the viewer to learn the game as well as understand what just occurred. The NHL has started using mic's and announcing some calls but they should do it every time. Blowing a whistle and signaling roughing doesn't inform viewers of much. Blow the whistle, stand in front of the time keeps booth and verbally announce the call while using the signals. Now a new viewer will learn the hand signals and understand what just occurred.
 
2014-01-08 06:37:50 PM  

nyseattitude: R.A.Danny: nyseattitude: theesir: I love it when people say they can't follow hockey on TV.

I'll be polite and leave it at that.

It is difficult if you don't know the game. The NHL needs to adopt a more NFL style of informing the viewers.

Maybe I'm spoiled by the Pat and Eddy, but I don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Make it easier for viewers to understand what is going on. The NFL explains everything to the viewers in the form of hand signals and voice. This allows the viewer to learn the game as well as understand what just occurred. The NHL has started using mic's and announcing some calls but they should do it every time. Blowing a whistle and signaling roughing doesn't inform viewers of much. Blow the whistle, stand in front of the time keeps booth and verbally announce the call while using the signals. Now a new viewer will learn the hand signals and understand what just occurred.


And there should be some easier way of following that tiny little puck around. Why hasn't anyone tried this?
 
2014-01-08 06:42:41 PM  

IAmRight: If you build a contender around them, then they won't leave to go play for one.


Cleveland did just that very thing. It mattered not.
 
2014-01-08 06:59:59 PM  
So 4 of Chicago's 5 major teams sellout. The Sox might have to start giving out Italian Beef sandwiches and deep dish pizza or something
/Not really, but they might do better if they reduce their food and beer prices
//Went to the last season game in 05' was drunk off my ass, because the guys behind me and my brother somehow brought in a 5th of Jack and shared
 
2014-01-08 07:01:10 PM  

IAmRight: . Toronto had issues with the Canadian dollar not being worth anything,


MLSE cares not a thing about the Loonie.  It could be worth 50 cents and it wouldn't put a dent in their profits.
 
2014-01-08 07:06:05 PM  

rjakobi: Mike_LowELL: Did some quick math and the NBA is averaging 16,927 a game (league average of 296,234 paid attendance per team divided into 17.5 home games) against 17,434 a game (league average of 380,654 paid attendance per team divided into 21.83 home games).  Hardly anything dominating, but let's not let this get in the way of a good old fashioned hockey vs. basketball thread.  After all, too many thugs and too many fights in the NBA.  I'll stick to hockey.  Thanks.

17.5 games? Was there an NBA game so boring that both teams went "fark it, let's go to Golden Corral" and left at halftime?


Math.  You suck at it.
 
2014-01-08 07:06:19 PM  
My fondest memory is a hockey game--the Rangers versus the Whalers.  The Whalers won the night at MSG, but we had an absolute blast.  The entire stadium was on edge when the Rangers went on a power play and pulled the goalie in the last few seconds, trying to tie the game.  It was exciting, interesting, and, mostly, inexpensive.  All of the fans (even the drunken Whalers ones) were respectful and were just enjoying themselves.
 
2014-01-08 07:09:03 PM  
Having been to both I would imagine it also has something to do with hockey being a faster and more exciting game to watch live.
 
2014-01-08 07:47:34 PM  

Ishkur: Cleveland did just that very thing. It mattered not.


Um, no. If Mo Williams is your second-best player and Mike Brown is your coach...no.

Wow. Do people actually believe that? Now, they might have coddled/kowtowed to LeBron, but that's not building a contender. If the Bulls had listened to Jordan while building a team, they would've had...hell, I don't remember the guy's name, but some random schmuck instead of Scottie Pippen. They never would have contended for a title, and he probably would've skipped town, too. But they were confident enough in themselves to actually make decisions instead of letting the player dictate the show even when he was under contract for several years.

LeBron took that trash team to a Finals mostly because of a weak Eastern Conference, not because of anything the Cavs did.
 
2014-01-08 08:00:39 PM  

IAmRight: Um, no.


Um, yes. Look, your entire argument is that good players want to play for good teams. Aside from it being a catch-22, it's farking garbage. Nobody wanted play in Vancouver, nobody wants to play in Cleveland, nobody wants to play in Toronto, not because they aren't good teams, but because they're not cool cities. They're not sexy like LA or Miami. And there will be a constant flow of talent from Milwaukee and Utah and Sacramento and Memphis and all the second-rate locations so long as the players get to dictate where to play because they don't offer any sizzling off-court benefits.

And if you don't think this is true, you're wrong, because if it wasn't there'd be parity and Lebron would still be playing in front of his hometown.
 
2014-01-08 08:04:39 PM  
The one thing that surprises me is that Ottawa and Edmonton are  not on the list of sellout stadiums. I frankly assumed all of the Canadian franchises would sell out every game.
 
2014-01-08 08:06:19 PM  
I have to say I'm not surprised by the attendance numbers. Hockey fans are a bit more loyal and supportive of their sport and the tickets are more affordable than the NBA average.
Hopefully we'll see a boost in TV numbers too.

I don't foresee a time when the NHL regularly beats the NBA or NASCAR or even PGA in ratings but with a few tweaks to the presentation, the audience will grow a little more.
 
2014-01-08 08:06:52 PM  

Ishkur: Um, yes. Look, your entire argument is that good players want to play for good teams. Aside from it being a catch-22, it's farking garbage. Nobody wanted play in Vancouver, nobody wants to play in Cleveland, nobody wants to play in Toronto, not because they aren't good teams, but because they're not cool cities.


While San Antonio, Indianapolis, and OKC are totally cool cities that EVERYONE wants to play in. Memphis has picked up several good players, including taking Mike Miller back from Miami. And the Jazz were a perennially good team until they got rid of Jerry Sloan.

If you have a good organization, talented people will come. If you don't, then talented people will leave. It's the same as every other business in the world.

Without Pat Riley's presence giving them legitimacy, no one gives a f*ck about Miami and it's not a cool place for an NBA player to be.
 
2014-01-08 08:12:11 PM  

IAmRight: If you have a good organization, talented people will come


Yes, and that's why the NBA is the bastion of parity and equality today, and has attendance figures that rival hockey!
 
2014-01-08 08:40:53 PM  

Primitive Screwhead: I have to say I'm not surprised by the attendance numbers. Hockey fans are a bit more loyal and supportive of their sport and the tickets are more affordable than the NBA average.
Hopefully we'll see a boost in TV numbers too.

I don't foresee a time when the NHL regularly beats the NBA or NASCAR or even PGA in ratings but with a few tweaks to the presentation, the audience will grow a little more.


NHL tickets have been more expensive on average than NBA tickets for many years...

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/8945052/nhl-ticket-price-hike-surp as ses-other-leagues

The reason why the NHL thrives with relatively low TV ratings is because their demographic is among the richest in sports.
 
2014-01-08 08:49:47 PM  

carnifex2005: NHL tickets have been more expensive on average than NBA tickets for many years...

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/8945052/nhl-ticket-price-hike-surp as ses-other-leagues

The reason why the NHL thrives with relatively low TV ratings is because their demographic is among the richest in sports.


i36.photobucket.com
 
2014-01-08 08:56:43 PM  

Primitive Screwhead: carnifex2005: NHL tickets have been more expensive on average than NBA tickets for many years...

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/8945052/nhl-ticket-price-hike-surp as ses-other-leagues

The reason why the NHL thrives with relatively low TV ratings is because their demographic is among the richest in sports.

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hey congrats!  Your rich!  (Of course if the beer is the same kind of pricing at TD Gahd'n as it is at the ACC, you pretty much need to be)
 
2014-01-08 09:04:19 PM  

twomutts: The one thing that surprises me is that Ottawa and Edmonton are  not on the list of sellout stadiums. I frankly assumed all of the Canadian franchises would sell out every game.


Edmonton is having a terrible year and Ottawa fans are the most fickle you will ever meet in hockey circles.
 
2014-01-08 09:10:10 PM  

sno man: hey congrats!  Your rich!  (Of course if the beer is the same kind of pricing at TD Gahd'n as it is at the ACC, you pretty much need to be)


HA! I pre-game. No way in hell am I paying Garden prices for beer ;)

For what it's worth, the last Bruins game I went to was April 2, 2011, I sat 9 rows away from the glass. I paid $90 and face value was $85.

The last Celtics game I went to was Thanksgiving Eve 2012. I sat 10 rows up from the floor. My friend had won the tix, so I paid nothing and face value was $165.

S
 
2014-01-08 09:12:56 PM  

Flappyhead: twomutts: The one thing that surprises me is that Ottawa and Edmonton are  not on the list of sellout stadiums. I frankly assumed all of the Canadian franchises would sell out every game.

Edmonton is having a terrible year and Ottawa fans are the most fickle you will ever meet in hockey circles.


Also, Ottawa is sorta late to the game compared to Toronto, Montreal, and sells out every one of those games by the fans of the other team.  And is a little like DC in that nearly everyone there is from somewhere else*, and bring their team allegiance with them

*slight exaggeration
 
2014-01-08 09:27:10 PM  

Primitive Screwhead: sno man: hey congrats!  Your rich!  (Of course if the beer is the same kind of pricing at TD Gahd'n as it is at the ACC, you pretty much need to be)

HA! I pre-game. No way in hell am I paying Garden prices for beer ;)

For what it's worth, the last Bruins game I went to was April 2, 2011, I sat 9 rows away from the glass. I paid $90 and face value was $85.

The last Celtics game I went to was Thanksgiving Eve 2012. I sat 10 rows up from the floor. My friend had won the tix, so I paid nothing and face value was $165.

S


9 rows in at the ACC for a Leaf game (depending on opponent) are a wee bit more than that, if you can get them...
for giggles I checked: a 7th row ticket is available for Sundays game with NJD (!)... $268.75 + ticketmaster bs, face value.  If I tell you what a lg beer is you would cry.
 
2014-01-08 09:48:48 PM  

sno man: Primitive Screwhead: sno man: hey congrats!  Your rich!  (Of course if the beer is the same kind of pricing at TD Gahd'n as it is at the ACC, you pretty much need to be)

HA! I pre-game. No way in hell am I paying Garden prices for beer ;)

For what it's worth, the last Bruins game I went to was April 2, 2011, I sat 9 rows away from the glass. I paid $90 and face value was $85.

The last Celtics game I went to was Thanksgiving Eve 2012. I sat 10 rows up from the floor. My friend had won the tix, so I paid nothing and face value was $165.

S

9 rows in at the ACC for a Leaf game (depending on opponent) are a wee bit more than that, if you can get them...
for giggles I checked: a 7th row ticket is available for Sundays game with NJD (!)... $268.75 + ticketmaster bs, face value.  If I tell you what a lg beer is you would cry.


7th row from the ice in St Louis I got for 100 bucks.  Ass against the wall in the very last row up top, center ice - $15.  Spending 15 bucks on a ticket means I can drink that night.  Spending 100 means I get to watch everyone else drink.
 
2014-01-08 09:49:43 PM  

carnifex2005: Primitive Screwhead: I have to say I'm not surprised by the attendance numbers. Hockey fans are a bit more loyal and supportive of their sport and the tickets are more affordable than the NBA average.
Hopefully we'll see a boost in TV numbers too.

I don't foresee a time when the NHL regularly beats the NBA or NASCAR or even PGA in ratings but with a few tweaks to the presentation, the audience will grow a little more.

NHL tickets have been more expensive on average than NBA tickets for many years...

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/8945052/nhl-ticket-price-hike-surp as ses-other-leagues

The reason why the NHL thrives with relatively low TV ratings is because their demographic is among the richest in sports.


I guess when your demo is somewhat well-off white people as opposed to, well...

The paragraph finishes itself I would guess.
 
2014-01-08 09:51:12 PM  

carnifex2005: Primitive Screwhead: I have to say I'm not surprised by the attendance numbers. Hockey fans are a bit more loyal and supportive of their sport and the tickets are more affordable than the NBA average.
Hopefully we'll see a boost in TV numbers too.

I don't foresee a time when the NHL regularly beats the NBA or NASCAR or even PGA in ratings but with a few tweaks to the presentation, the audience will grow a little more.

NHL tickets have been more expensive on average than NBA tickets for many years...

http://espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/8945052/nhl-ticket-price-hike-surp as ses-other-leagues

The reason why the NHL thrives with relatively low TV ratings is because their demographic is among the richest in sports.


Exception: Pittsburgh.  Yinzer power.
 
2014-01-08 09:52:46 PM  
Does anyone even go to NBA games?  I figured Stern has been doctoring their attendance numbers for years.
 
2014-01-08 10:00:29 PM  

sno man: Primitive Screwhead: sno man: hey congrats!  Your rich!  (Of course if the beer is the same kind of pricing at TD Gahd'n as it is at the ACC, you pretty much need to be)

HA! I pre-game. No way in hell am I paying Garden prices for beer ;)

For what it's worth, the last Bruins game I went to was April 2, 2011, I sat 9 rows away from the glass. I paid $90 and face value was $85.

The last Celtics game I went to was Thanksgiving Eve 2012. I sat 10 rows up from the floor. My friend had won the tix, so I paid nothing and face value was $165.

S

9 rows in at the ACC for a Leaf game (depending on opponent) are a wee bit more than that, if you can get them...
for giggles I checked: a 7th row ticket is available for Sundays game with NJD (!)... $268.75 + ticketmaster bs, face value.  If I tell you what a lg beer is you would cry.


That's why I love Panthers games.

When I had my infamous sign in the corner for that game, my girl and I paid $160 each in the corner on the glass.

Some people like OL hate Southern Expansion. To me it means I get to buy premium tickets for LOL prices, and in turn supply some comedic gold for you guys while I enjoy myself.

/a double large vodka-soda is still $18.00
//solution: tube socks, airplane whiskey bottles and a $4 large coke
 
2014-01-08 10:08:05 PM  

fatalvenom: sno man: Primitive Screwhead: sno man: hey congrats!  Your rich!  (Of course if the beer is the same kind of pricing at TD Gahd'n as it is at the ACC, you pretty much need to be)

HA! I pre-game. No way in hell am I paying Garden prices for beer ;)

For what it's worth, the last Bruins game I went to was April 2, 2011, I sat 9 rows away from the glass. I paid $90 and face value was $85.

The last Celtics game I went to was Thanksgiving Eve 2012. I sat 10 rows up from the floor. My friend had won the tix, so I paid nothing and face value was $165.

S

9 rows in at the ACC for a Leaf game (depending on opponent) are a wee bit more than that, if you can get them...
for giggles I checked: a 7th row ticket is available for Sundays game with NJD (!)... $268.75 + ticketmaster bs, face value.  If I tell you what a lg beer is you would cry.

That's why I love Panthers games.

When I had my infamous sign in the corner for that game, my girl and I paid $160 each in the corner on the glass.

Some people like OL hate Southern Expansion. To me it means I get to buy premium tickets for LOL prices, and in turn supply some comedic gold for you guys while I enjoy myself.

/a double large vodka-soda is still $18.00
//solution: tube socks, airplane whiskey bottles and a $4 large coke


Sorry...I meant $60 each
 
2014-01-08 10:17:27 PM  

Jekylman: nyseattitude: R.A.Danny: nyseattitude: theesir: I love it when people say they can't follow hockey on TV.

I'll be polite and leave it at that.

It is difficult if you don't know the game. The NHL needs to adopt a more NFL style of informing the viewers.

Maybe I'm spoiled by the Pat and Eddy, but I don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Make it easier for viewers to understand what is going on. The NFL explains everything to the viewers in the form of hand signals and voice. This allows the viewer to learn the game as well as understand what just occurred. The NHL has started using mic's and announcing some calls but they should do it every time. Blowing a whistle and signaling roughing doesn't inform viewers of much. Blow the whistle, stand in front of the time keeps booth and verbally announce the call while using the signals. Now a new viewer will learn the hand signals and understand what just occurred.

And there should be some easier way of following that tiny little puck around. Why hasn't anyone tried this?


Fox Sports did. The puck had a faint glow to it at all times. When there was a slap shot or wrist shot the puck would change color and be followed by a trail of the particular color representing the shot. Red for slap shot and green for wrist shot I believe.
 
2014-01-08 10:21:57 PM  

nyseattitude: Jekylman: nyseattitude: R.A.Danny: nyseattitude: theesir: I love it when people say they can't follow hockey on TV.

I'll be polite and leave it at that.

It is difficult if you don't know the game. The NHL needs to adopt a more NFL style of informing the viewers.

Maybe I'm spoiled by the Pat and Eddy, but I don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Make it easier for viewers to understand what is going on. The NFL explains everything to the viewers in the form of hand signals and voice. This allows the viewer to learn the game as well as understand what just occurred. The NHL has started using mic's and announcing some calls but they should do it every time. Blowing a whistle and signaling roughing doesn't inform viewers of much. Blow the whistle, stand in front of the time keeps booth and verbally announce the call while using the signals. Now a new viewer will learn the hand signals and understand what just occurred.

And there should be some easier way of following that tiny little puck around. Why hasn't anyone tried this?

Fox Sports did. The puck had a faint glow to it at all times. When there was a slap shot or wrist shot the puck would change color and be followed by a trail of the particular color representing the shot. Red for slap shot and green for wrist shot I believe.


Here is a video of it. They called it Foxtrax.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XlRCGR10uBg&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D Xl RCGR10uBg
 
2014-01-08 10:24:52 PM  

fatalvenom: fatalvenom: sno man: Primitive Screwhead: sno man: hey congrats!  Your rich!  (Of course if the beer is the same kind of pricing at TD Gahd'n as it is at the ACC, you pretty much need to be)

HA! I pre-game. No way in hell am I paying Garden prices for beer ;)

For what it's worth, the last Bruins game I went to was April 2, 2011, I sat 9 rows away from the glass. I paid $90 and face value was $85.

The last Celtics game I went to was Thanksgiving Eve 2012. I sat 10 rows up from the floor. My friend had won the tix, so I paid nothing and face value was $165.

S

9 rows in at the ACC for a Leaf game (depending on opponent) are a wee bit more than that, if you can get them...
for giggles I checked: a 7th row ticket is available for Sundays game with NJD (!)... $268.75 + ticketmaster bs, face value.  If I tell you what a lg beer is you would cry.

That's why I love Panthers games.

When I had my infamous sign in the corner for that game, my girl and I paid $160 each in the corner on the glass.

Some people like OL hate Southern Expansion. To me it means I get to buy premium tickets for LOL prices, and in turn supply some comedic gold for you guys while I enjoy myself.

/a double large vodka-soda is still $18.00
//solution: tube socks, airplane whiskey bottles and a $4 large coke

Sorry...I meant $60 each


Are they still doing that 100 dollars worth of stuff for 20 bucks promotion?  My dad and I were looking at possibly going to a game but since we'd be driving from their place in Naples we'd have to do it a bit on the cheap.
 
2014-01-08 10:28:40 PM  

fatalvenom: fatalvenom: sno man: Primitive Screwhead: sno man: hey congrats!  Your rich!  (Of course if the beer is the same kind of pricing at TD Gahd'n as it is at the ACC, you pretty much need to be)

HA! I pre-game. No way in hell am I paying Garden prices for beer ;)

For what it's worth, the last Bruins game I went to was April 2, 2011, I sat 9 rows away from the glass. I paid $90 and face value was $85.

The last Celtics game I went to was Thanksgiving Eve 2012. I sat 10 rows up from the floor. My friend had won the tix, so I paid nothing and face value was $165.

S

9 rows in at the ACC for a Leaf game (depending on opponent) are a wee bit more than that, if you can get them...
for giggles I checked: a 7th row ticket is available for Sundays game with NJD (!)... $268.75 + ticketmaster bs, face value.  If I tell you what a lg beer is you would cry.

That's why I love Panthers games.

When I had my infamous sign in the corner for that game, my girl and I paid $160 each in the corner on the glass.

Some people like OL hate Southern Expansion. To me it means I get to buy premium tickets for LOL prices, and in turn supply some comedic gold for you guys while I enjoy myself.

/a double large vodka-soda is still $18.00
//solution: tube socks, airplane whiskey bottles and a $4 large coke

Sorry...I meant $60 each


Someone here in the media worked it out a year or two ago:  There is a road trip that hits Tampa and Miami (Sunrise, whatever) in 2 or 3 days every winter for the Leafs, airfare, game tickets, accommodation, rental car to get from one to the other and meals for 2... was less than 2 game tickets to any two random home games against the two teams.  I think it'd be pretty close to a draw cost wise for top tear tickets... but a shiat ton better long weekend story in FLA.
 
2014-01-08 10:29:36 PM  
I enjoy reading about the NBA, but I don't enjoy watching it very often. I've tried with an open heart and mind. For whatever reason, I have trouble getting into it. I understand it, but I don't get it.

/I mean, maybe apart from Games 6 and 7 in last year's final. That shiat was bananas.
//Watch the hell out of regular season hockey. Grew up playing and reffing.
///Probably doesn't help that my team of record is the Knicks.
 
2014-01-08 10:32:10 PM  

nyseattitude: nyseattitude: Jekylman: nyseattitude: R.A.Danny: nyseattitude: theesir: I love it when people say they can't follow hockey on TV.

I'll be polite and leave it at that.

It is difficult if you don't know the game. The NHL needs to adopt a more NFL style of informing the viewers.

Maybe I'm spoiled by the Pat and Eddy, but I don't have a clue what you are talking about.

Make it easier for viewers to understand what is going on. The NFL explains everything to the viewers in the form of hand signals and voice. This allows the viewer to learn the game as well as understand what just occurred. The NHL has started using mic's and announcing some calls but they should do it every time. Blowing a whistle and signaling roughing doesn't inform viewers of much. Blow the whistle, stand in front of the time keeps booth and verbally announce the call while using the signals. Now a new viewer will learn the hand signals and understand what just occurred.

And there should be some easier way of following that tiny little puck around. Why hasn't anyone tried this?

Fox Sports did. The puck had a faint glow to it at all times. When there was a slap shot or wrist shot the puck would change color and be followed by a trail of the particular color representing the shot. Red for slap shot and green for wrist shot I believe.

Here is a video of it. They called it Foxtrax.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XlRCGR10uBg&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D Xl RCGR10uBg


SILENCE!!!  That never happened.  It was an April Fools joke, nothing more.
 
2014-01-08 10:35:51 PM  

Flappyhead: fatalvenom: fatalvenom: sno man: Primitive Screwhead: sno man: hey congrats!  Your rich!  (Of course if the beer is the same kind of pricing at TD Gahd'n as it is at the ACC, you pretty much need to be)

HA! I pre-game. No way in hell am I paying Garden prices for beer ;)

For what it's worth, the last Bruins game I went to was April 2, 2011, I sat 9 rows away from the glass. I paid $90 and face value was $85.

The last Celtics game I went to was Thanksgiving Eve 2012. I sat 10 rows up from the floor. My friend had won the tix, so I paid nothing and face value was $165.

S

9 rows in at the ACC for a Leaf game (depending on opponent) are a wee bit more than that, if you can get them...
for giggles I checked: a 7th row ticket is available for Sundays game with NJD (!)... $268.75 + ticketmaster bs, face value.  If I tell you what a lg beer is you would cry.

That's why I love Panthers games.

When I had my infamous sign in the corner for that game, my girl and I paid $160 each in the corner on the glass.

Some people like OL hate Southern Expansion. To me it means I get to buy premium tickets for LOL prices, and in turn supply some comedic gold for you guys while I enjoy myself.

/a double large vodka-soda is still $18.00
//solution: tube socks, airplane whiskey bottles and a $4 large coke

Sorry...I meant $60 each

Are they still doing that 100 dollars worth of stuff for 20 bucks promotion?  My dad and I were looking at possibly going to a game but since we'd be driving from their place in Naples we'd have to do it a bit on the cheap.


It's random for whatever team is in town. I would go the Panthers website, they usually post their ticket specials on their for whatever game.

As for what you said sno man, I think individual ticket brokers put together packages like that. I don't think that the Panthers and Lightning would collaborate on anything like that. Especially lodging and meals etc.
 
2014-01-08 10:40:09 PM  

fatalvenom: As for what you said sno man, I think individual ticket brokers put together packages like that. I don't think that the Panthers and Lightning would collaborate on anything like that. Especially lodging and meals etc.


Not even a package, it was all just DIY.  (!)  A package would even be cheaper.
 
2014-01-08 10:44:02 PM  

sno man: fatalvenom: As for what you said sno man, I think individual ticket brokers put together packages like that. I don't think that the Panthers and Lightning would collaborate on anything like that. Especially lodging and meals etc.

Not even a package, it was all just DIY.  (!)  A package would even be cheaper.


I'm sure if you got some fix for both games individually you could probably find some sweet deals. Not to mention you could get a rental car for cheap and stay at a Holiday Inn or something.

But be warned, driving from the East coast to the West coast of FL on Alligator Alley isn't much fun on a clear, sunny day.

Let alone at night after a game.
 
2014-01-08 11:15:01 PM  

carnifex2005: The reason why the NHL thrives with relatively low TV ratings is because their demographic is among the richest in sports.


Wait, a virtually all-white league in a sport with a high barrier for entry (as far as costs go) with its main franchises in the wealthiest states in the nation has the richest demographic in sports? This is my shocked face.

/there's a reason the Kentucky Derby continues to be a "big thing," too
 
2014-01-08 11:16:48 PM  

Ishkur: IAmRight: If you build a contender around them, then they won't leave to go play for one.

Cleveland did just that very thing. It mattered not.


....are you serious?  Larry Holmes? Boobie Gibson?
 
2014-01-08 11:17:47 PM  

fatalvenom: sno man: fatalvenom: As for what you said sno man, I think individual ticket brokers put together packages like that. I don't think that the Panthers and Lightning would collaborate on anything like that. Especially lodging and meals etc.

Not even a package, it was all just DIY.  (!)  A package would even be cheaper.

I'm sure if you got some fix for both games individually you could probably find some sweet deals. Not to mention you could get a rental car for cheap and stay at a Holiday Inn or something.

But be warned, driving from the East coast to the West coast of FL on Alligator Alley isn't much fun on a clear, sunny day.

Let alone at night after a game.


Half thought about it last time I was down there, (Naples, and no I don't know Flappy) a couple of years ago... Wouldn't have been a Leaf game... Montreal maybe, enough to say meh, that's a long drive....  I think Naples is about the closest to half way between the two by road.  There is the ECHL team in Ft. Myers, but they were on a road trip the whole time..
 
2014-01-08 11:23:58 PM  

Gunny Highway: Ishkur: IAmRight: If you build a contender around them, then they won't leave to go play for one.

Cleveland did just that very thing. It mattered not.

....are you serious?  Larry Holmes? Boobie Gibson?


Remember when A. Jamison was going to be the guy to put them over the top?  Yeah, that was a great decision by the franchise.  Oh, and then it was Shaq.

The NBA isnt perfect but the criticism is ridiculous sometimes.  Look at what the Cavs have done since LeBron left, hit once with Kyrie and then shiat the bed with their other number one pick.  The franchise sucks at putting a champion caliber team together.  I has little to do with the city.
 
2014-01-08 11:29:54 PM  

Gunny Highway: I has little to do with the city.


I dunno, it's possible Cleveland is a vortex of suck. And that the factory of sadness is the only industry still running there.
 
2014-01-08 11:35:01 PM  

IAmRight: Gunny Highway: I has little to do with the city.

I dunno, it's possible Cleveland is a vortex of suck. And that the factory of sadness is the only industry still running there.


Well, maybe that particular city....

Fark has taught me that the way to fix the NBA (which is doing pretty well) is to make it more like the NFL and Euro Soccer.  I like it the way it is now for the most part.
 
2014-01-08 11:37:23 PM  

Gunny Highway: Fark has taught me that the way to fix the NBA (which is doing pretty well) is to make it more like the NFL and Euro Soccer.  I like it the way it is now for the most part.


Also, to only take the parts that will make it worse.

Like promotion/relegation. "Let's be like the only league with LESS parity! And make it so there's even LESS incentive to go to teams that aren't already good!"
 
2014-01-09 01:18:18 AM  

Shelbyville: This season it seems like over 3/4 of the nba is obviously tanking.


Why, even one of the NBA teams to sell out has all but officially declared their intention to tank (Bulls), and another is so god-awful they don't even need to try to tank (Knicks).
 
2014-01-09 04:46:14 AM  

Rwa2play: R.A.Danny: timujin: As I don't watch either sport, I don't know offhand, so I'm asking here...  how many seats are there in NHL venues versus NBA venues?

Many of them share the same venuses, so even though the configurations may change the number of seats slightly, it really isn't enough to make a huge difference.

Approximately 1,000-2,500 seats depending on configuration and design.

The NHL Markets that sell out BTW:  Detroit Red Wings, Chicago Blackhawks, Montreal Canadiens, Philadelphia Flyers, Toronto Maple Leafs, Calgary Flames, Vancouver Canucks, Pittsburgh Penguins, Washington Capitals, Minnesota Wild, Los Angeles Kings, New York Rangers, Boston Bruins, San Jose Sharks and Winnipeg Jets.

So the Original Six plus the state of PA,, DC, Middle and Western Canada, Minnesota and two of the three California franchises.  In a way it's not all surprising that all of these sellout, especially with the Kings recent Stanley Cup run.

The NBA Markets:  Chicago Bulls, Dallas Mavericks, New York Knicks, Miami Heat, Golden State Warriors, Los Angeles Clippers, Oklahoma City Thunder and Houston Rockets.

Chicago, NY, Miami, LAC, OKC, and HOU aren't really surprising.  GS is kind of a surprise but not really, same goes for DAL even though they're always contending for a playoff spot every year.


Uh, why would GS or Dallas surprise you? I can't imagine why that would be weird. Hell, when the Stars made the playoffs every year they always sold out.
 
2014-01-09 07:14:07 AM  
In other NHL news, it looks like the Sabres have finally found a new GM - Tim Murray, current asst. GM in Ottawa.
 
2014-01-09 08:14:02 AM  

Doc Daneeka: In other NHL news, it looks like the Sabres have finally found a new GM - Tim Murray, current asst. GM in Ottawa.


Chiarelli was the last assistant Ottawa GM spun off and he's done pretty well. Good luck to you guys, the Northeast(plus FL) division isn't as fun when the Sabres are out of the playoffs.
 
2014-01-09 08:15:45 AM  

nyseattitude: theesir: I love it when people say they can't follow hockey on TV.

I'll be polite and leave it at that.

It is difficult if you don't know the game. The NHL needs to adopt a more NFL style of informing the viewers.


NFL viewers are informed because it's a repeating process of 7 seconds of action followed by 45 seconds to 2 minutes of talking heads for 3 hours total. If the NHL adopted that much stoppage it would defeat the purpose of having a high-tempo game.
 
2014-01-09 08:43:25 AM  

S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: nyseattitude: theesir: I love it when people say they can't follow hockey on TV.

I'll be polite and leave it at that.

It is difficult if you don't know the game. The NHL needs to adopt a more NFL style of informing the viewers.

NFL viewers are informed because it's a repeating process of 7 seconds of action followed by 45 seconds to 2 minutes of talking heads for 3 hours total. If the NHL adopted that much stoppage it would defeat the purpose of having a high-tempo game.


I dont find hockey very hard to follow.  I never understood that criticism.  I never played, nor am I a rabid fan, so I dont understand the finer things but I can follow the game just fine.

Football is the game I have trouble with.  I watch and have fun with it but struggle with know what the hell is going on on the lines or defensive side of the ball.
 
2014-01-09 10:09:04 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Did some quick math and the NBA is averaging 16,927 a game (league average of 296,234 paid attendance per team divided into 17.5 home games) against 17,434 a game (league average of 380,654 paid attendance per team divided into 21.83 home games).  Hardly anything dominating, but let's not let this get in the way of a good old fashioned hockey vs. basketball thread.  After all, too many thugs and too many fights in the NBA.  I'll stick to hockey.  Thanks.


MSG alone has an extra 1,600 seats for basketball than hockey, so, a sellout for hockey is less people than 10% vacant for basketball.
 
2014-01-09 12:58:27 PM  

nyseattitude: Fox Sports did. The puck had a faint glow to it at all times. When there was a slap shot or wrist shot the puck would change color and be followed by a trail of the particular color representing the shot. Red for slap shot and green for wrist shot I believe.


Best part of that was when it was along the near boards you could tell where the puck was.
 
2014-01-09 01:56:51 PM  

R.A.Danny: theesir: I love it when people say they can't follow hockey on TV.

I'll be polite and leave it at that.

Commas are important, that's all I am saying.

[www.usa-traffic-signs.com image 300x300]


Where on that sign would you place a comma? There is punctuation that would help that sign, but not a comma.
 
2014-01-09 02:02:43 PM  
Slow children at play

Slow, children at play

Was this sign on your block?
 
2014-01-09 02:12:59 PM  

flynn80: Best part of that was when it was along the near boards you could tell where the puck was.


Hockey is one of the few sports where it's easier to follow what's going on if you DON'T watch the puck. You don't need to see it when it's along the near boards. It's not doing anything important. All that matters is who comes out with it.
 
2014-01-09 03:32:11 PM  

Ishkur: flynn80: Best part of that was when it was along the near boards you could tell where the puck was.

Hockey is one of the few sports where it's easier to follow what's going on if you DON'T watch the puck. You don't need to see it when it's along the near boards. It's not doing anything important. All that matters is who comes out with it.


Exactly! This is what I always tell non-fans who complain about not being able to see the puck.

You're not supposed to watch the puck! You're supposed to watch the players! What the player are doing (both near and away from the puck) will tell you everything you need to know instantly about where the puck is and who has possession.

Hell, I can follow a hockey game perfectly well from the radio broadcast, if the play-by-play man is competent. Seeing the puck is irrelevant.
 
2014-01-09 09:21:44 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Ishkur: flynn80: Best part of that was when it was along the near boards you could tell where the puck was.

Hockey is one of the few sports where it's easier to follow what's going on if you DON'T watch the puck. You don't need to see it when it's along the near boards. It's not doing anything important. All that matters is who comes out with it.

Exactly! This is what I always tell non-fans who complain about not being able to see the puck.

You're not supposed to watch the puck! You're supposed to watch the players! What the player are doing (both near and away from the puck) will tell you everything you need to know instantly about where the puck is and who has possession.

Hell, I can follow a hockey game perfectly well from the radio broadcast, if the play-by-play man is competent. Seeing the puck is irrelevant.


Bingo.  You're not watching football or basketball to see the ball.  You're watching it to see the players do awesome things.  Watch the players, not the puck.  They will show you where the puck is.
 
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