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2014-01-08 04:17:24 PM  
As I don't watch either sport, I don't know offhand, so I'm asking here...  how many seats are there in NHL venues versus NBA venues?
 
2014-01-08 04:22:55 PM  

timujin: As I don't watch either sport, I don't know offhand, so I'm asking here...  how many seats are there in NHL venues versus NBA venues?


Many of them share the same venuses, so even though the configurations may change the number of seats slightly, it really isn't enough to make a huge difference.
 
2014-01-08 04:33:03 PM  

R.A.Danny: timujin: As I don't watch either sport, I don't know offhand, so I'm asking here...  how many seats are there in NHL venues versus NBA venues?

Many of them share the same venuses, so even though the configurations may change the number of seats slightly, it really isn't enough to make a huge difference.


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2014-01-08 04:34:08 PM  
That's because it's impossible to watch hockey on TV. I believe the NHL's current home is channel pi
 
2014-01-08 04:35:04 PM  

timujin: R.A.Danny: timujin: As I don't watch either sport, I don't know offhand, so I'm asking here...  how many seats are there in NHL venues versus NBA venues?

Many of them share the same venuses, so even though the configurations may change the number of seats slightly, it really isn't enough to make a huge difference.

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I meant to type penuses.
 
2014-01-08 04:37:19 PM  
Did some quick math and the NBA is averaging 16,927 a game (league average of 296,234 paid attendance per team divided into 17.5 home games) against 17,434 a game (league average of 380,654 paid attendance per team divided into 21.83 home games).  Hardly anything dominating, but let's not let this get in the way of a good old fashioned hockey vs. basketball thread.  After all, too many thugs and too many fights in the NBA.  I'll stick to hockey.  Thanks.
 
2014-01-08 04:39:18 PM  

R.A.Danny: timujin: As I don't watch either sport, I don't know offhand, so I'm asking here...  how many seats are there in NHL venues versus NBA venues?

Many of them share the same venuses, so even though the configurations may change the number of seats slightly, it really isn't enough to make a huge difference.


Approximately 1,000-2,500 seats depending on configuration and design.

The NHL Markets that sell out BTW:  Detroit Red Wings, Chicago Blackhawks, Montreal Canadiens, Philadelphia Flyers, Toronto Maple Leafs, Calgary Flames, Vancouver Canucks, Pittsburgh Penguins, Washington Capitals, Minnesota Wild, Los Angeles Kings, New York Rangers, Boston Bruins, San Jose Sharks and Winnipeg Jets.

So the Original Six plus the state of PA,, DC, Middle and Western Canada, Minnesota and two of the three California franchises.  In a way it's not all surprising that all of these sellout, especially with the Kings recent Stanley Cup run.

The NBA Markets:  Chicago Bulls, Dallas Mavericks, New York Knicks, Miami Heat, Golden State Warriors, Los Angeles Clippers, Oklahoma City Thunder and Houston Rockets.

Chicago, NY, Miami, LAC, OKC, and HOU aren't really surprising.  GS is kind of a surprise but not really, same goes for DAL even though they're always contending for a playoff spot every year.
 
2014-01-08 04:39:34 PM  
Sold out venues are irrelevant when there's no blackout rules in effect. What's the ticket revenue?
 
2014-01-08 04:40:49 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Did some quick math and the NBA is averaging 16,927 a game (league average of 296,234 paid attendance per team divided into 17.5 home games) against 17,434 a game (league average of 380,654 paid attendance per team divided into 21.83 home games).  Hardly anything dominating, but let's not let this get in the way of a good old fashioned hockey vs. basketball thread.  After all, too many thugs and too many fights in the NBA.  I'll stick to hockey.  Thanks.


17.5 games? Was there an NBA game so boring that both teams went "fark it, let's go to Golden Corral" and left at halftime?
 
2014-01-08 04:41:00 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: That's because it's impossible to watch hockey on TV. I believe the NHL's current home is channel pi


If you can't find NHL Network, NBCSN, or local coverage on one of the CSN or FSN channels in this day and age of instant information, then you obviously don't care to watch hockey.

That narrative is about as worn out as Colin Cowherd's constant preaching that no one cares about hockey and the MLS has surpassed it.
 
2014-01-08 04:42:42 PM  

fatalvenom: HaywoodJablonski: That's because it's impossible to watch hockey on TV. I believe the NHL's current home is channel pi

If you can't find NHL Network, NBCSN, or local coverage on one of the CSN or FSN channels in this day and age of instant information, then you obviously don't care to watch hockey.

That narrative is about as worn out as Colin Cowherd's constant preaching that no one cares about hockey and the MLS has surpassed it.


Thankfullly got NBCSN back as a basic channel on my system so "YAY! MOAR HOCKEY!" as well as the Premier League.
 
2014-01-08 04:43:52 PM  
I'm not a hockey fan but I'm going to a game in a couple of weeks (Blues at Rangers) with a colleague who's a season ticket holder, and I'm looking forward to it. The funny thing is I think the aforementioned colleague is more excited about me going to the game than I am. He's sent me a bunch of links to Rangers sites/blogs and just stopped by a few minutes ago to remind me the Rangers are on NBC Sports tonight. If you have a passion, I guess it's fun to share it.

But hey, since the NBA officially doesn't exist, I think it would be healthy for me to get into a winter sport. I went to one NHL game a few years ago and had a lot of fun.
 
2014-01-08 04:44:32 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: That's because it's impossible to watch hockey on TV. I believe the NHL's current home is channel pi


You should learn how to work your remote, gramps.
 
2014-01-08 04:46:52 PM  
I've been to more NHL games than NBA games, and I'd consider myself a much bigger NBA fan.  My issue is that the local team is the Dubs, and there's no good way to get there without being close to BART.

/Probably become season ticket holder if they move to SF
//Loves me some NBA
 
2014-01-08 04:47:05 PM  

Super Chronic: I'm not a hockey fan but I'm going to a game in a couple of weeks


Going to any sporting event is a lot of fun. Hockey even more so.
 
2014-01-08 04:48:15 PM  

timujin: As I don't watch either sport, I don't know offhand, so I'm asking here...  how many seats are there in NHL venues versus NBA venues?


Most arenas that have teams in both sports will have slightly smaller seating capacities for hockey over basketball. But the difference might be no more than a thousand seats on average. Madison Square Garden might have the largest difference because they cut out a lot of seats for Rangers games.

To me, the bigger story is that 10 of the 15 NHL teams averaging a sell out are in the USA. That's outnumbering the NBA by itself. IMO, that's a byproduct of how poor the NBA product is right now. Some games are just impossible to watch from all the poor shooting and horrid officiating.
 
2014-01-08 04:51:48 PM  

Rwa2play: The NHL Markets that sell out BTW:  Detroit Red Wings, Chicago Blackhawks, Montreal Canadiens, Philadelphia Flyers, Toronto Maple Leafs, Calgary Flames, Vancouver Canucks, Pittsburgh Penguins, Washington Capitals, Minnesota Wild, Los Angeles Kings, New York Rangers, Boston Bruins, San Jose Sharks and Winnipeg Jets.


I move that Winnipeg gets an asterisk on the grounds that they have the smallest arena in the league at 15,000.
 
2014-01-08 04:52:39 PM  

desertgeek: timujin: As I don't watch either sport, I don't know offhand, so I'm asking here...  how many seats are there in NHL venues versus NBA venues?

Most arenas that have teams in both sports will have slightly smaller seating capacities for hockey over basketball. But the difference might be no more than a thousand seats on average.


According to what Mike_LowELL posted above, that's enough to cover the difference in the "sold out" games.  A more interesting story would have been overall ticket sales... or, if possible, single game viewership.
 
2014-01-08 04:53:18 PM  

desertgeek: Rwa2play: The NHL Markets that sell out BTW:  Detroit Red Wings, Chicago Blackhawks, Montreal Canadiens, Philadelphia Flyers, Toronto Maple Leafs, Calgary Flames, Vancouver Canucks, Pittsburgh Penguins, Washington Capitals, Minnesota Wild, Los Angeles Kings, New York Rangers, Boston Bruins, San Jose Sharks and Winnipeg Jets.

I move that Winnipeg gets an asterisk on the grounds that they have the smallest arena in the league at 15,000.


As punishment, they should be sent back to Atlanta.

Pretty please send hockey back here.  I miss it.
 
2014-01-08 04:53:47 PM  

desertgeek: I move that Winnipeg gets an asterisk on the grounds that they have the smallest arena in the league at 15,000.


They'd still be 2000 short of a sellout in Phoenix.
 
2014-01-08 04:53:52 PM  

desertgeek: IMO, that's a byproduct of how poor the NBA product is right now. Some games are just impossible to watch from all the poor shooting and horrid officiating.


Or the fact that hockey tickets are less expensive than NBA tickets.

Or this:

Celtics: Average 17,825
Bruins: Average 17,565

Bruins are 100%; Celtics are 95.7%

So there are either a lot more seats to sell in basketball (there is a significant number), or numbers are massaged.
 
2014-01-08 04:54:09 PM  
I love it when people say they can't follow hockey on TV.

I'll be polite and leave it at that.
 
2014-01-08 04:56:36 PM  

theesir: I love it when people say they can't follow hockey on TV.

I'll be polite and leave it at that.


Commas are important, that's all I am saying.

www.usa-traffic-signs.com
 
2014-01-08 04:57:06 PM  
so the NBA is a flop?
 
2014-01-08 04:59:02 PM  
Actually, based on Knicks and Rangers, both of whom share the same place and claim 100% capacity, there appears to be roughly 1,500 more tickets available for NBA games than NHL games.
 
2014-01-08 04:59:48 PM  
Good. If for no other reason than it makes Bill Simmons cry moar.
 
2014-01-08 05:02:40 PM  

IAmRight: Actually, based on Knicks and Rangers, both of whom share the same place and claim 100% capacity, there appears to be roughly 1,500 more tickets available for NBA games than NHL games.


If there were 1500 more seats for NHL games would you say that they would remain assless?
 
2014-01-08 05:03:59 PM  
I thought the NHL folded years ago, because I get my sports news from ESPN, home of the NBA and the SEC.
 
2014-01-08 05:04:38 PM  

desertgeek: Rwa2play: The NHL Markets that sell out BTW:  Detroit Red Wings, Chicago Blackhawks, Montreal Canadiens, Philadelphia Flyers, Toronto Maple Leafs, Calgary Flames, Vancouver Canucks, Pittsburgh Penguins, Washington Capitals, Minnesota Wild, Los Angeles Kings, New York Rangers, Boston Bruins, San Jose Sharks and Winnipeg Jets.

I move that Winnipeg gets an asterisk on the grounds that they have the smallest arena in the league at 15,000.


HEY, it's 15004!

Besides, even if the arena could seat 17000 or 17500, they'd still sell out.  They just couldn't charge as much for tickets as they do.  Personally, I'd take 15000 and sold out with one of the highest average ticket prices in the league than having a larger arena with empty seats and low average ticket price.

btw, I wish the 'Yotes had more fans like you.  You're passionate, and know your stuff.  I'm happy you still have a team to cheer for.
 
2014-01-08 05:06:05 PM  

Weigard: Good. If for no other reason than it makes Bill Simmons cry moar.


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2014-01-08 05:07:38 PM  

R.A.Danny: If there were 1500 more seats for NHL games would you say that they would remain assless?


No; I'm saying that it's intellectually dishonest to act as though 100% capacity matters in any way for a league that doesn't have blackout rules if you don't meet capacity.

If an NHL team had 1500 more seats and sold 1000 of them, they'd be making more money, but would no longer be at the magical 100% barrier, so by the yes/no logic of "is it sold out?", they'd be failing/not as successful.
 
2014-01-08 05:10:00 PM  

IAmRight: No; I'm saying that it's intellectually dishonest to act as though 100% capacity matters in any way for a league that doesn't have blackout rules if you don't meet capacity.


Blackout rules don't mean shiat.
 
2014-01-08 05:11:04 PM  

desertgeek: Rwa2play: The NHL Markets that sell out BTW:  Detroit Red Wings, Chicago Blackhawks, Montreal Canadiens, Philadelphia Flyers, Toronto Maple Leafs, Calgary Flames, Vancouver Canucks, Pittsburgh Penguins, Washington Capitals, Minnesota Wild, Los Angeles Kings, New York Rangers, Boston Bruins, San Jose Sharks and Winnipeg Jets.

I move that Winnipeg gets an asterisk on the grounds that they have the smallest arena in the league at 15,000.


Overruled.  Hockey is Canada's national sport.
 
2014-01-08 05:11:28 PM  

Weigard: Good. If for no other reason than it makes Bill Simmons cry moar.


Ah yes, Mr. Everything Wrong With Boston Sports Fans.

fatalvenom: Weigard: Good. If for no other reason than it makes Bill Simmons cry moar.

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Gets me every time.
 
2014-01-08 05:13:08 PM  

fatalvenom: Weigard: Good. If for no other reason than it makes Bill Simmons cry moar.

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Hey c'mon, at least Simmons can admit he's wrong about things.  Unlike those two 'tards on First Take.

God I hate those two.
 
2014-01-08 05:14:16 PM  

Rwa2play: fatalvenom: Weigard: Good. If for no other reason than it makes Bill Simmons cry moar.

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Hey c'mon, at least Simmons can admit he's wrong about things.  Unlike those two 'tards on First Take.

God I hate those two.


Choosing a low, low bar to hurdle there.
 
2014-01-08 05:14:55 PM  

R.A.Danny: Blackout rules don't mean shiat.


They'd be the No. 1 incentive to bother talking about sellouts.

Aside from pretending it's difficult to get tickets.

/not sure why you care; Chicago sells out for both the Bulls and Blackhawks - and the Blackhawks are the better team to watch. Hell, even when the Bulls were fully healthy, there's nothing enjoyable about watching them.
 
2014-01-08 05:15:51 PM  

IAmRight: They'd be the No. 1 incentive to bother talking about sellouts.


Wirtz's death disproved that.
 
2014-01-08 05:16:30 PM  

Weigard: Good. If for no other reason than it makes Bill Simmons cry moar.


About the fact that the NBA makes 2x as much as the NHL on broadcasting? That franchises are worth 2x as much? That ratings are way higher?
 
2014-01-08 05:16:37 PM  

IAmRight: So there are either a lot more seats to sell in basketball


Yes there are more seats, but you'll only need the EDGE EDGE EDGE!!!
 
2014-01-08 05:18:23 PM  
I think the fact there is a lot more parity in the nhl vs the nba means more of the markets are invested in their teams. This season it seems like over 3/4 of the nba is obviously tanking. Why pay to go to a game when your team doesn't care about this season and is purposely putting an inferior product on the floor.

A league of 5 Harlem globetrotters and 25 Washington Generals is fundamentally flawed.
 
2014-01-08 05:18:37 PM  

R.A.Danny: IAmRight: They'd be the No. 1 incentive to bother talking about sellouts.

Wirtz's death disproved that.


How did it disprove that? People got more interested in the team the more they could see it. You don't want to have your team blacked out. Wirtz was an idiot and I'm pretty sure all of Chicago agrees with that (at their kindest).
 
2014-01-08 05:20:15 PM  

IAmRight: Wirtz was an idiot


NO! He was generous enough to bring us joy by dying.
 
2014-01-08 05:20:41 PM  

Shelbyville: I think the fact there is a lot more parity in the nhl vs the nba means more of the markets are invested in their teams. This season it seems like over 3/4 of the nba is obviously tanking. Why pay to go to a game when your team doesn't care about this season and is purposely putting an inferior product on the floor.

A league of 5 Harlem globetrotters and 25 Washington Generals is fundamentally flawed.


The Atlantic Division needs to be razed to the ground and have the land salted so that nothing can ever grow again.
 
2014-01-08 05:22:07 PM  
Yeah and Hockey charges you $60 dollars to get in the door, when Basketball charges about $15.

Hockey also has a lower salary cap.

Those hockey owners are laughing at baskeball owners.
 
2014-01-08 05:22:34 PM  

Flappyhead: Shelbyville: I think the fact there is a lot more parity in the nhl vs the nba means more of the markets are invested in their teams. This season it seems like over 3/4 of the nba is obviously tanking. Why pay to go to a game when your team doesn't care about this season and is purposely putting an inferior product on the floor.

A league of 5 Harlem globetrotters and 25 Washington Generals is fundamentally flawed.

The Atlantic Division needs to be razed to the ground and have the land salted so that nothing can ever grow again.


What is the answer there? It seems that there is enough talent coming out of colleges (or without college) to avoid diluting the pool, but there is still so much suck in the NBA today.
 
2014-01-08 05:22:35 PM  

Flappyhead: The Atlantic Division needs to be razed to the ground and have the land salted so that nothing can ever grow again.


C'mon, Boston's allowed to have a down year. I hate the Celtics but they'll be back soon.
 
2014-01-08 05:23:40 PM  

theesir: I love it when people say they can't follow hockey on TV.

I'll be polite and leave it at that.


It is difficult if you don't know the game. The NHL needs to adopt a more NFL style of informing the viewers.
 
2014-01-08 05:23:49 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Those hockey owners are laughing at baskeball owners.


Because their properties are worth twice the hockey owners' properties? Okay.
 
2014-01-08 05:24:36 PM  

Ennzie: desertgeek: Rwa2play: The NHL Markets that sell out BTW:  Detroit Red Wings, Chicago Blackhawks, Montreal Canadiens, Philadelphia Flyers, Toronto Maple Leafs, Calgary Flames, Vancouver Canucks, Pittsburgh Penguins, Washington Capitals, Minnesota Wild, Los Angeles Kings, New York Rangers, Boston Bruins, San Jose Sharks and Winnipeg Jets.

I move that Winnipeg gets an asterisk on the grounds that they have the smallest arena in the league at 15,000.

HEY, it's 15004!

Besides, even if the arena could seat 17000 or 17500, they'd still sell out.  They just couldn't charge as much for tickets as they do.  Personally, I'd take 15000 and sold out with one of the highest average ticket prices in the league than having a larger arena with empty seats and low average ticket price.

btw, I wish the 'Yotes had more fans like you.  You're passionate, and know your stuff.  I'm happy you still have a team to cheer for.


Came to bring up the first point, and add smallish metro area as well.  But totally agree with the second part as well.  Fan on, DG!
 
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