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2014-01-08 05:55:12 PM  
AJ McCarron will drafted by the Pats. He'll sit on the bench for three seasons, replace Tom Brady and Belichick senator palpatine will win three more rings with the new Annakin.
 
2014-01-08 06:05:29 PM  

Sol Invicti: For all of those saying he hasn't seen NFL talent:


Yes, everyone drafts them because EVERYONE has deluded themselves into believing that the SEC is tougher than other conferences.

Let's check out the All-Pro defense:

First Team:
DE: Big 10, ACC
DT: Big 12, Big 12 (at the time, now Big 10)
OLB: Not a FBS school, Big 10
ILB: ACC, Big 10
CB: Pac-12, SEC
S: Big 12, SEC

Second Team:
DE: ACC, SEC
DT: Memphis, Temple, Pac-12, Big 12 (at the time, now SEC)
OLB: Big 10, ACC
ILB: Pac-12, SEC
CB: Big 12, SEC, Pac-12
S: MWC (now Pac-12), ACC, Pac-12, Pac-12, ACC, ACC

Doesn't look particularly impressive for the SEC.
 
2014-01-08 06:07:44 PM  
I have a feeling he will end up with the eagles
 
2014-01-08 06:13:17 PM  

IAmRight: Sol Invicti: For all of those saying he hasn't seen NFL talent:

Yes, everyone drafts them because EVERYONE has deluded themselves into believing that the SEC is tougher than other conferences.

Let's check out the All-Pro defense:

First Team:
DE: Big 10, ACC
DT: Big 12, Big 12 (at the time, now Big 10)
OLB: Not a FBS school, Big 10
ILB: ACC, Big 10
CB: Pac-12, SEC
S: Big 12, SEC

Second Team:
DE: ACC, SEC
DT: Memphis, Temple, Pac-12, Big 12 (at the time, now SEC)
OLB: Big 10, ACC
ILB: Pac-12, SEC
CB: Big 12, SEC, Pac-12
S: MWC (now Pac-12), ACC, Pac-12, Pac-12, ACC, ACC

Doesn't look particularly impressive for the SEC.


Looks like the Big XII probably has about the most on that list, of course before the longhorns went to crap, the SEC stole the Aggies and Mizzou, The B1G stole the Huskers, and the Pac 12 stole Colorado the Big XII was the one giving the SEC a run for its money in dominence.
 
2014-01-08 06:24:34 PM  

Oldiron_79: Looks like the Big XII probably has about the most on that list, of course before the longhorns went to crap, the SEC stole the Aggies and Mizzou, The B1G stole the Huskers, and the Pac 12 stole Colorado the Big XII was the one giving the SEC a run for its money in dominence.


And a ton of the Big XII guys were actually Nebraska guys, I just didn't write the "at the time" crap for every one of them.
 
2014-01-08 06:24:56 PM  
i.imgur.com
Hope he ends up on a team that has to play against the most beastly of defenses...he'll be like Jay Cutler, where I'll tune in just to watch him get his own ass handed to him.
 
2014-01-08 06:39:23 PM  

taxandspend: Oldiron_79: IAmRight: Sol Invicti: For all of those saying he hasn't seen NFL talent:

Yes, everyone drafts them because EVERYONE has deluded themselves into believing that the SEC is tougher than other conferences.

Let's check out the All-Pro defense:

First Team:
DE: Big 10, ACC
DT: Big 12, Big 12 (at the time, now Big 10)
OLB: Not a FBS school, Big 10
ILB: ACC, Big 10
CB: Pac-12, SEC
S: Big 12, SEC

Second Team:
DE: ACC, SEC
DT: Memphis, Temple, Pac-12, Big 12 (at the time, now SEC)
OLB: Big 10, ACC
ILB: Pac-12, SEC
CB: Big 12, SEC, Pac-12
S: MWC (now Pac-12), ACC, Pac-12, Pac-12, ACC, ACC

Doesn't look particularly impressive for the SEC.

Looks like the Big XII probably has about the most on that list, of course before the longhorns went to crap, the SEC stole the Aggies and Mizzou, The B1G stole the Huskers, and the Pac 12 stole Colorado the Big XII was the one giving the SEC a run for its money in dominence.

The Pac 12 "stole" Colorado? We "stole" the 1-8 Conference, 4-8 Overall Colorado? You can have them back. Take Cal while you are at it.


That's the 15-ranked Colorado Buffaloes to you. You're welcome.
/I know, I know...hoops.
//Never thought the basketball program would exceed football for athletic success.
//We like being in the Pac-12 better.
 
2014-01-08 06:45:38 PM  

Oldiron_79: IAmRight: Sol Invicti: For all of those saying he hasn't seen NFL talent:

Yes, everyone drafts them because EVERYONE has deluded themselves into believing that the SEC is tougher than other conferences.

Let's check out the All-Pro defense:

First Team:
DE: Big 10, ACC
DT: Big 12, Big 12 (at the time, now Big 10)
OLB: Not a FBS school, Big 10
ILB: ACC, Big 10
CB: Pac-12, SEC
S: Big 12, SEC

Second Team:
DE: ACC, SEC
DT: Memphis, Temple, Pac-12, Big 12 (at the time, now SEC)
OLB: Big 10, ACC
ILB: Pac-12, SEC
CB: Big 12, SEC, Pac-12
S: MWC (now Pac-12), ACC, Pac-12, Pac-12, ACC, ACC

Doesn't look particularly impressive for the SEC.

Looks like the Big XII probably has about the most on that list, of course before the longhorns went to crap, the SEC stole the Aggies and Mizzou, The B1G stole the Huskers, and the Pac 12 stole Colorado the Big XII was the one giving the SEC a run for its money in dominence.


Also there is quite a bit of ACC on that list even though the ACC has been sucking for the last 5 years or so other than FSU this year there was a point a few years back before Miami got hit with sanctions and before FSU had a slump, and while Georgia and Virginia Techs where doing better than now where they was rather big time, of course the last 5 years or so BEFORE this year they have been giving the Big lEast a run for the weakest.
 
2014-01-08 06:50:09 PM  
Vikings fan - want Johnny.

Should be more apologies to Spielman for ragging on the trade that brought Patterson to Minny. He's a pro bowler. That was a very smart move. Gotta trust Spielman, he's been drafting very well and now he has full control over the coaching decision for the first time.
 
2014-01-08 06:56:30 PM  

SubBass49: [i.imgur.com image 800x276]
Hope he ends up on a team that has to play against the most beastly of defenses...he'll be like Jay Cutler, where I'll tune in just to watch him get his own ass handed to him.


Hey you faked that! You searched douche first, it's in the tab!

The first search listed is 'sophomore', then it's 'douche'.

/he is a douche
//also a sophomore
 
2014-01-08 07:02:34 PM  

scottydoesntknow: SubBass49: [i.imgur.com image 800x276]
Hope he ends up on a team that has to play against the most beastly of defenses...he'll be like Jay Cutler, where I'll tune in just to watch him get his own ass handed to him.

Hey you faked that! You searched douche first, it's in the tab!

The first search listed is 'sophomore', then it's 'douche'.

/he is a douche
//also a sophomore


Nope...no fake...not sure why the tab came up that way.  Try searching for Johnny Manziel first...then add in "is a" and see the results for yourself...lol
 
2014-01-08 07:13:11 PM  

Oldiron_79: Also there is quite a bit of ACC on that list even though the ACC has been sucking for the last 5 years or so other than FSU this year there was a point a few years back before Miami got hit with sanctions and before FSU had a slump, and while Georgia and Virginia Techs where doing better than now where they was rather big time, of course the last 5 years or so BEFORE this year they have been giving the Big lEast a run for the weakest.


It's almost as though the talent on the field isn't representative of how teams are ranked.

/IIRC none of the ACC players are from FSU
//it's almost like top players don't necessarily come from the top programs
///the Seahawks have the top defense in the NFL - not many SEC players on it, and the ones that are aren't from SEC powerhouses (KJ Wright, Miss. St.; Chris Clemons, Georgia). Couple TAMU guys, but they were from Big XII years, no SEC play at all
 
2014-01-08 07:23:21 PM  

IlGreven: fmcgalaxie500: I certainly hope not. Teddy Bridgewater or Blake Bortles

More likely, Manziel will be the next QB to be added to this famous jersey:

[cdn.bleacherreport.net image 599x600]


That's just sad.
 
2014-01-08 07:24:59 PM  

justtray: Vikings fan - want Johnny.

Should be more apologies to Spielman for ragging on the trade that brought Patterson to Minny. He's a pro bowler. That was a very smart move. Gotta trust Spielman, he's been drafting very well and now he has full control over the coaching decision for the first time.


Aren't you guys shedding a lot of dead cap space and older players this year too? With an even half-decent QB and coach, they could get dangerous in a hurry.
 
2014-01-08 07:25:11 PM  
Basically if you want your blah team to stay a blah team you'll take Johnny Football in the first round. If he gets lucky he'll Eli Manning out in a few years and be able to perform due less to his talent and more to the talent of his receivers...if he's on the right team. With no luck (crap line, or crap WRs and TEs), or being rushed in I see him as a Jay Cutler clone.
 
2014-01-08 07:29:40 PM  

justtray: Vikings fan - want Johnny.

Should be more apologies to Spielman for ragging on the trade that brought Patterson to Minny. He's a pro bowler. That was a very smart move. Gotta trust Spielman, he's been drafting very well and now he has full control over the coaching decision for the first time.


And in his last season as a football player, one center played so badly that his team, in contention for the division and legitimate post-season aspirations, benched him in favor of a second year walk-on second stringer....who was undreafted, by the way....and who had never started an NFL game at center before.

The center, forced to ride the pine for the second half of the year, barely put on a helmet after that, and retired. After playing in Hawaii as a first-team pro-bowler.

You might have heard of him. His name is Jeff Saturday.

Don't get too proud of 'Pro Bowler'. I aint' sayin the kid ain't any good...he is. But don't get too hyped up about pro bowls just yet, mm'kay?
 
2014-01-08 07:41:50 PM  
RumsfeldsReplacement:

Just stop it Subby, we all know the Browns will draft Manziel and it will be hilarious.

headoftheheard.files.wordpress.com


/ ... please ?
 
2014-01-08 07:42:27 PM  

xaks: Don't get too proud of 'Pro Bowler'. I aint' sayin the kid ain't any good...he is. But don't get too hyped up about pro bowls just yet, mm'kay?


Pretty sure Patterson didn't earn it based on his many years of service or his reputation, like Saturday.
 
2014-01-08 07:46:38 PM  
Undersized primadona whiner with two years NCAA experience?

Yeah, you go on and draft that.
 
2014-01-08 07:51:08 PM  

IAmRight: xaks: Don't get too proud of 'Pro Bowler'. I aint' sayin the kid ain't any good...he is. But don't get too hyped up about pro bowls just yet, mm'kay?

Pretty sure Patterson didn't earn it based on his many years of service or his reputation, like Saturday.


I ain't sayin' he did.

But the kid's been in the league exactly one season, and he touched the ball a total of...what, 20 times? 30?

Don't start suckin' his dick just yet.
 
2014-01-08 07:52:57 PM  

Cowboy Spencer: xaks: Tim Tebow

Tebow's best passing season:  3286 yards (66.9%), 32 TDs.
Manziel's best passing season:  4114 yards (69.9%), 37 TDs.

Tebow's best rushing season:  910 yards (4.3 ypc), 14 TDs
Manziel's best rushing season:  1410 yards (7.0 ypc),  21 TDs

Manziel is better than Tebow.


Tebow lost 7 career games in 4 seasons, 6 in the three seasons where he was the full-time starter.  Manziel lost 6 in two seasons.  Tebow was a starter for a team that won both the SEC and National Championship.  And I notice that you left off the season where Tebow rushed for 895 yds and 23 TDs.  I'd say that the 9 additional TDs outweighs the 15 additional yards - and should we talk about turnovers?  How about attempts?  Because both Tebow and Winston had higher YPA.  So maybe Manziel had more yardage and slightly more TDs (although Winston flat-out had more TDs) but the other QBs were simply more efficient with what they were asked to do.  The bottom line is that Tebow was a winner and Manziel is not.  Winston is a winner and Manziel is not.

We get it, you like stats so long as you can cherrypick them.  Will you at least retract your claim that Manziel was one of the best college football players of all time for the ridiculous hyperbole that it was?
 
2014-01-08 08:29:06 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Cowboy Spencer: xaks: Tim Tebow

Tebow's best passing season:  3286 yards (66.9%), 32 TDs.
Manziel's best passing season:  4114 yards (69.9%), 37 TDs.

Tebow's best rushing season:  910 yards (4.3 ypc), 14 TDs
Manziel's best rushing season:  1410 yards (7.0 ypc),  21 TDs

Manziel is better than Tebow.

Tebow lost 7 career games in 4 seasons, 6 in the three seasons where he was the full-time starter.  Manziel lost 6 in two seasons.  Tebow was a starter for a team that won both the SEC and National Championship.  And I notice that you left off the season where Tebow rushed for 895 yds and 23 TDs.  I'd say that the 9 additional TDs outweighs the 15 additional yards - and should we talk about turnovers?  How about attempts?  Because both Tebow and Winston had higher YPA.  So maybe Manziel had more yardage and slightly more TDs (although Winston flat-out had more TDs) but the other QBs were simply more efficient with what they were asked to do.  The bottom line is that Tebow was a winner and Manziel is not.  Winston is a winner and Manziel is not.

We get it, you like stats so long as you can cherrypick them.  Will you at least retract your claim that Manziel was one of the best college football players of all time for the ridiculous hyperbole that it was?


Tebow was a much better defender, obviously
 
2014-01-08 08:43:11 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: AdmirableSnackbar: Cowboy Spencer: xaks: Tim Tebow

Tebow's best passing season:  3286 yards (66.9%), 32 TDs.
Manziel's best passing season:  4114 yards (69.9%), 37 TDs.

Tebow's best rushing season:  910 yards (4.3 ypc), 14 TDs
Manziel's best rushing season:  1410 yards (7.0 ypc),  21 TDs

Manziel is better than Tebow.

Tebow lost 7 career games in 4 seasons, 6 in the three seasons where he was the full-time starter.  Manziel lost 6 in two seasons.  Tebow was a starter for a team that won both the SEC and National Championship.  And I notice that you left off the season where Tebow rushed for 895 yds and 23 TDs.  I'd say that the 9 additional TDs outweighs the 15 additional yards - and should we talk about turnovers?  How about attempts?  Because both Tebow and Winston had higher YPA.  So maybe Manziel had more yardage and slightly more TDs (although Winston flat-out had more TDs) but the other QBs were simply more efficient with what they were asked to do.  The bottom line is that Tebow was a winner and Manziel is not.  Winston is a winner and Manziel is not.

We get it, you like stats so long as you can cherrypick them.  Will you at least retract your claim that Manziel was one of the best college football players of all time for the ridiculous hyperbole that it was?

Tebow was a much better defender, obviously


So that's why he was a much more efficient QB than Manziel?
 
2014-01-08 09:00:32 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: HaywoodJablonski: AdmirableSnackbar: Cowboy Spencer: xaks: Tim Tebow

Tebow's best passing season:  3286 yards (66.9%), 32 TDs.
Manziel's best passing season:  4114 yards (69.9%), 37 TDs.

Tebow's best rushing season:  910 yards (4.3 ypc), 14 TDs
Manziel's best rushing season:  1410 yards (7.0 ypc),  21 TDs

Manziel is better than Tebow.

Tebow lost 7 career games in 4 seasons, 6 in the three seasons where he was the full-time starter.  Manziel lost 6 in two seasons.  Tebow was a starter for a team that won both the SEC and National Championship.  And I notice that you left off the season where Tebow rushed for 895 yds and 23 TDs.  I'd say that the 9 additional TDs outweighs the 15 additional yards - and should we talk about turnovers?  How about attempts?  Because both Tebow and Winston had higher YPA.  So maybe Manziel had more yardage and slightly more TDs (although Winston flat-out had more TDs) but the other QBs were simply more efficient with what they were asked to do.  The bottom line is that Tebow was a winner and Manziel is not.  Winston is a winner and Manziel is not.

We get it, you like stats so long as you can cherrypick them.  Will you at least retract your claim that Manziel was one of the best college football players of all time for the ridiculous hyperbole that it was?

Tebow was a much better defender, obviously

So that's why he was a much more efficient QB than Manziel?


No, the reason for that is Tebow was a run-first, run-second, throw-third quarterback who didn't take any risks because he didn't have to thanks to his excellent defense.
 
2014-01-08 09:28:26 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: AdmirableSnackbar: HaywoodJablonski: AdmirableSnackbar: Cowboy Spencer: xaks: Tim Tebow

Tebow's best passing season:  3286 yards (66.9%), 32 TDs.
Manziel's best passing season:  4114 yards (69.9%), 37 TDs.

Tebow's best rushing season:  910 yards (4.3 ypc), 14 TDs
Manziel's best rushing season:  1410 yards (7.0 ypc),  21 TDs

Manziel is better than Tebow.

Tebow lost 7 career games in 4 seasons, 6 in the three seasons where he was the full-time starter.  Manziel lost 6 in two seasons.  Tebow was a starter for a team that won both the SEC and National Championship.  And I notice that you left off the season where Tebow rushed for 895 yds and 23 TDs.  I'd say that the 9 additional TDs outweighs the 15 additional yards - and should we talk about turnovers?  How about attempts?  Because both Tebow and Winston had higher YPA.  So maybe Manziel had more yardage and slightly more TDs (although Winston flat-out had more TDs) but the other QBs were simply more efficient with what they were asked to do.  The bottom line is that Tebow was a winner and Manziel is not.  Winston is a winner and Manziel is not.

We get it, you like stats so long as you can cherrypick them.  Will you at least retract your claim that Manziel was one of the best college football players of all time for the ridiculous hyperbole that it was?

Tebow was a much better defender, obviously

So that's why he was a much more efficient QB than Manziel?

No, the reason for that is Tebow was a run-first, run-second, throw-third quarterback who didn't take any risks because he didn't have to thanks to his excellent defense.


So then what's the justification for Manziel being better?  He doesn't have the big arm, he doesn't have the efficiency as a passer, he doesn't have the wins, he might be a better runner but you discount that here.  So why is this even an argument?

And are you in agreement with the Aggie that Manziel is one of the greatest college football players of all time?   Because I still haven't seen an ounce of justification for that.
 
2014-01-08 09:37:54 PM  
Johnny football needs to repeat this name over and over for the next three months.

Brian Bosworth.

Over and over.
 
2014-01-08 10:02:27 PM  

AdmirableSnackbar: The bottom line is that Tebow was a winner and Manziel is not.  Winston is a winner and Manziel is not.


Stupid statement.  Tebow didn't play defense, neither did Winston.  Neither did Manziel.  TAMU's defense was 104th in the nation.  The only reason they won any games at all is because of how amazing Manziel played.  I think what you meant to say was "Winston played on a winning team."

Let's put Tebow aside.  Manziel was better this season than Winston against a tougher schedule.  Look at the apples to apples comparison with Auburn.

I don't think you've actually seen Manziel play, or looked at their relative statistics.  Here comes the numbers, and you're not going to like how they demolish your argument that Winston played better this season than Manziel.

This season, prior to bowl games.

Manziel:  69.1% passing, 3732 yards (9.54 ypa), 33TD /13INT, 686 yards rushing (5.2 ypr), 8 TD.  4418 total yards, 41 total touchdowns, 3.42 touchdowns per game total.  SOS:  22.7 (1 being the highest)

Winston:  67.9% passing, 3820 yards (10.9 ypa), 38TD/10INT, 193 yards rushing (2.5 ypr), 4 td.  4013 total yards, 42 total touchdowns, 3.23 touchdowns per game total.  SOS:  46.7 (1 being the highest).

These stats are more in favor of Manziel after the bowl games.
 
2014-01-08 10:10:45 PM  
Now we'll talk about Tebow.

I'm really curious why you think Tebow is better than Manziel.

Tebow's highest completion percentage was 67.8, his senior year.  Manziel's lowest was 68.0.

Manziel had 63 passing TDs in 2 years, Tebow had 88 passing TDs in 4 years (one of which he wasn't a starter).

Career ypa:  Tebow 9.3, Manziel 9.1.

Career ypr:  Tebow 4.3, Manziel 6.3.

Tebow was one of the best players ever to play NCAAF.  Manziel is as good in most categories, and better in many.
 
2014-01-08 10:35:43 PM  

Cowboy Spencer: Now we'll talk about Tebow.

I'm really curious why you think Tebow is better than Manziel.

Tebow's highest completion percentage was 67.8, his senior year.  Manziel's lowest was 68.0.

Manziel had 63 passing TDs in 2 years, Tebow had 88 passing TDs in 4 years (one of which he wasn't a starter).

Career ypa:  Tebow 9.3, Manziel 9.1.

Career ypr:  Tebow 4.3, Manziel 6.3.

Tebow was one of the best players ever to play NCAAF.  Manziel is as good in most categories, and better in many.


I think the salient point to make is....Teblow was a stats god and so overhyped it ain't even funny...and he was reach-drafted in the first round. Anyone that ISN'T  a jesus freak or a one-team homer can watch his tape and realize he's actually a piss-poor NFL QB.

And then, you look at Manzeil, his numbers and playing style, and go..."Oh shiat, he's ... a slightly better runner and a slightly better passer *than Tebow*."

And, with that, the elevator light-bulb DING goes off in your head and realize how bad it *could* go for him in the NFL. And you start offering Jobu really good rum to make him block your teams' GM from even being aware of the NAME Manziel during March of this year.
 
2014-01-08 10:44:42 PM  

xaks: Anyone that ISN'T  a jesus freak or a one-team homer can watch his tape and realize he's actually a piss-poor NFL QB.


Uh ... I never said he would be a good NFL QB.  I have no idea.
 
2014-01-08 10:51:31 PM  

Cowboy Spencer: xaks: Anyone that ISN'T  a jesus freak or a one-team homer can watch his tape and realize he's actually a piss-poor NFL QB.

Uh ... I never said he would be a good NFL QB.  I have no idea.


Wait, what? I wasn't referring to anyone in particular. The only people I know that defend Teblow as an NFL QB are jesus freaks and fanbois. They are who I was referring to.

I apologize heartily if you think I was calling you out. I did NOT intend that. I was simply making a comparison to Teblow and the mega-hype leading up to Manziel and masturbatory *ZOMG NCAA RECORDS* that some people are frothing over when comparing them.
 
2014-01-08 11:00:38 PM  
All good, sorry!

Tebow would have made a great tight end ... it's a shame he wasn't willing to consider it.
 
2014-01-08 11:08:22 PM  

Cowboy Spencer: All good, sorry!

Tebow would have made a great tight end ... it's a shame he wasn't willing to consider it.


Or maybe fullback, a'la Kuhn or crossover like Kleinsasser in Minney
 
2014-01-08 11:12:42 PM  

Ivandrago: lecavalier: And we agree on this one. He'll obviously have to tame his Johnny Football act because defensive ends at the NFL level aren't going to fall for his pirouettes every time like they do at this level (but, once every other week, he will Johnny Football some poor defender; much to our enjoyment).

I'm okay with him Johnny Footballing every other week if I get to watch him get levelled on a consistent basis by 180lb CB's and 220lb SS's.


What he's going to discover upon reaching the NFL is that there are 6'4", 265 lb. OLBs that can catch his ass. That's a discovery that's going to hurt.
 
2014-01-08 11:24:41 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: No, the reason for that is Tebow was a run-first, run-second, throw-third quarterback who didn't take any risks because he didn't have to thanks to his excellent defense.


Similarly, Manziel got to take as many risks as he wanted and had a nice life because his team had a great offensive line and targets and no defense, so they always needed to score and he never came out of games.

/he also threw 50 more times than Winston despite being suspended for a half against Rice
//both of them seem like they deserve to have to play for the Browns
 
2014-01-08 11:28:53 PM  

taxandspend: Oldiron_79: IAmRight: Sol Invicti: For all of those saying he hasn't seen NFL talent:

Yes, everyone drafts them because EVERYONE has deluded themselves into believing that the SEC is tougher than other conferences.

Let's check out the All-Pro defense:

First Team:
DE: Big 10, ACC
DT: Big 12, Big 12 (at the time, now Big 10)
OLB: Not a FBS school, Big 10
ILB: ACC, Big 10
CB: Pac-12, SEC
S: Big 12, SEC

Second Team:
DE: ACC, SEC
DT: Memphis, Temple, Pac-12, Big 12 (at the time, now SEC)
OLB: Big 10, ACC
ILB: Pac-12, SEC
CB: Big 12, SEC, Pac-12
S: MWC (now Pac-12), ACC, Pac-12, Pac-12, ACC, ACC

Doesn't look particularly impressive for the SEC.

Looks like the Big XII probably has about the most on that list, of course before the longhorns went to crap, the SEC stole the Aggies and Mizzou, The B1G stole the Huskers, and the Pac 12 stole Colorado the Big XII was the one giving the SEC a run for its money in dominence.

The Pac 12 "stole" Colorado? We "stole" the 1-8 Conference, 4-8 Overall Colorado? You can have them back. Take Cal while you are at it.


Keep Cal. You need more Vandys than the SEC.
 
2014-01-09 02:13:13 AM  

xaks: Cowboy Spencer: Now we'll talk about Tebow.

I'm really curious why you think Tebow is better than Manziel.

Tebow's highest completion percentage was 67.8, his senior year.  Manziel's lowest was 68.0.

Manziel had 63 passing TDs in 2 years, Tebow had 88 passing TDs in 4 years (one of which he wasn't a starter).

Career ypa:  Tebow 9.3, Manziel 9.1.

Career ypr:  Tebow 4.3, Manziel 6.3.

Tebow was one of the best players ever to play NCAAF.  Manziel is as good in most categories, and better in many.

I think the salient point to make is....Teblow was a stats god and so overhyped it ain't even funny...and he was reach-drafted in the first round. Anyone that ISN'T  a jesus freak or a one-team homer can watch his tape and realize he's actually a piss-poor NFL QB.

And then, you look at Manzeil, his numbers and playing style, and go..."Oh shiat, he's ... a slightly better runner and a slightly better passer *than Tebow*."

And, with that, the elevator light-bulb DING goes off in your head and realize how bad it *could* go for him in the NFL. And you start offering Jobu really good rum to make him block your teams' GM from even being aware of the NAME Manziel during March of this year.


If you have to rebuild your team around the way a quaterback plays you're probably making a poor decision in taking him on *cough cough Broncos*.
 
2014-01-09 03:24:57 AM  

timujin: IAmRight: timujin: I grew up in Texas and Tennessee and that never happened once.  Not one time.  I've heard on Fark that "people in the South call all sodas Coke"

In fairness, those are fringe-South states and I'm sure with the ubiquity of TV, regional things like that are dying out.

I'm old... not "before the advent of television" old, but old enough that if this was an actual thing I should have encountered it sometime in the last few decades.  What I have encountered is that they don't call them soda or pop, but by whatever name is given.  So Coke is Coke, Diet Coke is Diet Coke, Dr. Pepper is Dr. Pepper and so on.


I ordered a Coke in Texas once in my entire life, when I was on vacation last year, and they asked what kind I wanted.
 
2014-01-09 05:02:49 AM  

Ivandrago: The Stealth Hippopotamus: lecavalier: Why do people think he is that small? I am a bartender in a sports bar so I talk about college football a lot and I have never met one person that realizes he is 6'1, 210. And even if you want to call that program weight, then he is 6'0/200. Nobody is even close when guessing how big he is.

That's because he is standing next to giants. For some reason people think they are as large as the line men there for the running backs and QB are shorter than they are.

I don't know why but it is something I've noticed

I'm sure he'll get an invite to the combine. We'll just have to wait and see how he measures up. I remember we used to say Alshon Jeffery was 6'4. At the combine he didn't even make it to 6'3.


Manziel won't go to the Combine, he'll show off his talents at his Pro day, and that's it.
 
2014-01-09 05:41:36 AM  
Why isn't anyone guessing that Jerreh Joynes will trade up to draft him?
 
2014-01-09 06:29:12 AM  

Polish Brainiac: Why isn't anyone guessing that Jerreh Joynes will trade up to draft him?


I think Jerry is still enamored by The Romo. I figure Romo still has another season before Jones would even consider replacing him.
 
2014-01-09 07:18:11 AM  

Cowboy Spencer: I don't think you've actually seen Manziel play, or looked at their relative statistics


I've done both and I'm not impressed.  I'm still waiting for you to back up your claim that Manziel is one of the best college football players of all time.

Let's put it this way: what does Manziel bring to the table that we haven't seen before?  He doesn't have a big arm, or even a strong arm.  He's mobile, but he doesn't have great speed or size so he's not running past or over defenders the way others have done. There isn't one aspect of his game that we have never seen done much better by many other QBs.  He put up great stats, but stats are meaningless without championship hardware to back it up.  So what exactly makes him great other than he was kind of fun to watch?
 
2014-01-09 07:42:17 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: Cowboy Spencer: I don't think you've actually seen Manziel play, or looked at their relative statistics

I've done both and I'm not impressed.  I'm still waiting for you to back up your claim that Manziel is one of the best college football players of all time.

Let's put it this way: what does Manziel bring to the table that we haven't seen before?  He doesn't have a big arm, or even a strong arm.  He's mobile, but he doesn't have great speed or size so he's not running past or over defenders the way others have done. There isn't one aspect of his game that we have never seen done much better by many other QBs.  He put up great stats, but stats are meaningless without championship hardware to back it up.  So what exactly makes him great other than he was kind of fun to watch?


He beat Alabama, when no one thought TAM had a chance. Other than that, he's just an AW with a drinking problem.
 
2014-01-09 09:45:02 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: He put up great stats, but stats are meaningless without championship hardware to back it up.


This is the problem.

You think a player has to win championships to be great.

I think that is absurd.

When a player hangs 1000 yards and 10 touchdowns on two of the best teams in the nation ... that pretty much covers it.  When the player is the fastest to reach 7000 total yards, that pretty much covers it.  When the player is so good he can overcome the "freshman can't win the Heisman" thing, that pretty much covers it.
 
2014-01-09 09:53:57 AM  
Why is everyone so high on Teddy Bridgewater?  He couldn't carry Louisville in the terrible Big East. Manziel carried the aggies to a lot of wins thanks to their awful defense.  And he is a leader.  Yeah he acts like a douche sometimes, but anyone that watched that Duke bowl game can't say they didn't see him get in the face of the offense and defense and get them to start playing.

My choice would be Bortles but I don't have an issue with Manziel either.  I think he makes some bad throws and he's always looking for the deep ball, but I have never seen anyone be as accurate as he is on the deep throws.  He almost always hits his guys in stride on deep throws.  He needs to do a better job taking the short ones when they are there but I think he can learn.  He is only 22.

Bridgewater may be more polished but I think he's already reached his max potential and he's not much bigger than Manziel. They have similar frame sizes but Manziel has more ability to escape as long as he learns to get down and avoid contact.  Kapernick has learned, I don't see why he won't be able to.  If you want size then you have to take Bortles over both.  He's your prototypical 6'-5" 230 lb QB but he can run. Ask Baylor.

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2014-01-09 10:47:10 AM  

k4mi: Why is everyone so high on Teddy Bridgewater?  He couldn't carry Louisville in the terrible Big East. Manziel carried the aggies to a lot of wins thanks to their awful defense.  And he is a leader.  Yeah he acts like a douche sometimes, but anyone that watched that Duke bowl game can't say they didn't see him get in the face of the offense and defense and get them to start playing.

My choice would be Bortles but I don't have an issue with Manziel either.  I think he makes some bad throws and he's always looking for the deep ball, but I have never seen anyone be as accurate as he is on the deep throws.  He almost always hits his guys in stride on deep throws.  He needs to do a better job taking the short ones when they are there but I think he can learn.  He is only 22.

Bridgewater may be more polished but I think he's already reached his max potential and he's not much bigger than Manziel. They have similar frame sizes but Manziel has more ability to escape as long as he learns to get down and avoid contact.  Kapernick has learned, I don't see why he won't be able to.  If you want size then you have to take Bortles over both.  He's your prototypical 6'-5" 230 lb QB but he can run. Ask Baylor.

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This was the thinking that resulted in the 49ers drafting Alex Smith ahead of Aaron Rodgers. It's bullshiat. Always take the guy with the fewest obvious holes in his game, because "potential" tends to stay potential.
 
2014-01-09 10:47:44 AM  

Cowboy Spencer: AdmirableSnackbar: He put up great stats, but stats are meaningless without championship hardware to back it up.

This is the problem.

You think a player has to win championships to be great.

I think that is absurd.

When a player hangs 1000 yards and 10 touchdowns on two of the best teams in the nation ... that pretty much covers it.  When the player is the fastest to reach 7000 total yards, that pretty much covers it.  When the player is so good he can overcome the "freshman can't win the Heisman" thing, that pretty much covers it.


On the contrary, you believe that stats and stats alone - but only certain stats that you cherrypick - make a player great.  Stat whores come and go, great players do more than help win fantasy football games.  As I said earlier, by your metrics Matthew Stafford would be one of the best NFL QBs of all time.

It is painfully clear that you can't answer my questions and won't even attempt to back up your own statement that I have asked you repeatedly in this thread to support.  Not going to bother with you on this anymore, you're stuck on homer mode here.
 
2014-01-09 12:43:16 PM  

Cowboy Spencer: When the player is so good he can overcome the "freshman can't win the Heisman" thing, that pretty much covers it.


Dude, that's not a big deal. Movement has trended toward underclassmen in the voting for years before Manziel. Sophomores used to never win it either until Tebow. Hell, Ingram won it and he's not even good. Just had a great line at Alabama. Kinda like Manziel had an awesome line at A&M.
 
2014-01-09 01:55:38 PM  

forgotmydamnusername: k4mi: Why is everyone so high on Teddy Bridgewater?  He couldn't carry Louisville in the terrible Big East. Manziel carried the aggies to a lot of wins thanks to their awful defense.  And he is a leader.  Yeah he acts like a douche sometimes, but anyone that watched that Duke bowl game can't say they didn't see him get in the face of the offense and defense and get them to start playing.

My choice would be Bortles but I don't have an issue with Manziel either.  I think he makes some bad throws and he's always looking for the deep ball, but I have never seen anyone be as accurate as he is on the deep throws.  He almost always hits his guys in stride on deep throws.  He needs to do a better job taking the short ones when they are there but I think he can learn.  He is only 22.

Bridgewater may be more polished but I think he's already reached his max potential and he's not much bigger than Manziel. They have similar frame sizes but Manziel has more ability to escape as long as he learns to get down and avoid contact.  Kapernick has learned, I don't see why he won't be able to.  If you want size then you have to take Bortles over both.  He's your prototypical 6'-5" 230 lb QB but he can run. Ask Baylor.

[walterfootball.com image 779x1024]

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This was the thinking that resulted in the 49ers drafting Alex Smith ahead of Aaron Rodgers. It's bullshiat. Always take the guy with the fewest obvious holes in his game, because "potential" tends to stay potential.


How did Bridgewater not carry his team? He led them to a 10-1 record, the only loss coming because the defense played like shiat that day. And what holes does he have in his game? He had a better completion percentage than Manziel or Winston and he had way less interceptions than either one of them. He had a 144 less yards passing than Manziel, which isn't much. It shows that he is the more accurate passer.
 
2014-01-09 02:51:38 PM  
First, whoever said Tebow is better than Manziel is freaking insane. Johnny may not translate to the NFL, but he's WAY better than Tebow was. Given what I saw in their bowl game, he's arguably a better leader (because, quite honestly, Tebow's leadership seemed as manufactured as his football talent).

Cowboy Spencer: So this is why Manziel had 454 yards, 4 passing TDs and 1 rushing TD against Auburn while Winston had 237 yards, 2 passing TDs, and no rushing TDs?


Who won those games? And, all things considered, a number of teams/players have lesser stats in bowl games.

Cowboy Spencer: That's why the 4 of the 5 best defenses since 2008 were SEC teams?


You should read a book called "How to Lie with Statistics." You may learn something from it.

That goes to ANYONE who uses the word "best" when discussing any sort of college football statistical category (really, you may as well include MNCs on that list, because aside from a few seasons like USC/Texas and Miami/tOSU, there have clearly been some shenanigans when selecting the MNC contenders).

Oh, and congrats on having two more total teams, a much more home-friendly bowl environment, and being able to simply muster one more win (and the same number of losses) in bowl games as the Pac12 (and that's entirely thanks to Mike Leach... whose team almost beat Auburn this year, which would've... oh, right, resulted in another SEC team playing FSU [see my previous point about shenanigans]). And how kind of you for making the Sun Belt feel good by having the best winning percentage in bowl games, because I know the SEC just wanted their little brudders to have a moment in the sun.
 
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