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2014-01-08 01:30:30 PM
He'll know he's made it big time when people start burning his jersey in the parking lot.  XD
 
2014-01-08 01:53:15 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com

/Seriously, keep that prima donna douche away from my Texans
 
2014-01-08 02:08:19 PM
I certainly hope not. Teddy Bridgewater or Blake Bortles
 
2014-01-08 02:09:00 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: He'll know he's made it big time when people start burning his jersey in the parking lot.  XD



Or when Matt Schaub burgers are taken off the menu and replaced with Johnny Football burgers.
 
2014-01-08 02:18:34 PM

The_Sponge: Grand_Moff_Joseph: He'll know he's made it big time when people start burning his jersey in the parking lot.  XD


Or when Matt Schaub burgers are taken off the menu and replaced with Johnny Football burgers.


I'd like a Johnnyception with cheese, and an order of pick-six fries to go.

*and since we're referring to Texas*

"...oh, and a coke."

Cashier: What type of coke would you like?

"Mt. Dew please."
 
2014-01-08 02:27:15 PM
There's only one 'fall guy'
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And for no other reason, here's Heather Thomas in a bikini
homepages.nildram.co.uk
 
2014-01-08 02:27:49 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: The_Sponge: Grand_Moff_Joseph: He'll know he's made it big time when people start burning his jersey in the parking lot.  XD


Or when Matt Schaub burgers are taken off the menu and replaced with Johnny Football burgers.

I'd like a Johnnyception with cheese, and an order of pick-six fries to go.

*and since we're referring to Texas*

"...oh, and a coke."

Cashier: What type of coke would you like?

"Mt. Dew please."



Heh.

But seriously....people need to stop calling all sodas "Coke".....it's annoying.  That would be like calling all beers "Budweiser" or "Bud".

"I'll have a Budweiser."

"What kind?"

"Guinness."

/And that's what really grinds my gears.
 
2014-01-08 02:38:23 PM
Who the hell is Johhny Manziel?
 
2014-01-08 02:42:15 PM
As has been spoken about on various blogs/forums, I would not be surprised to see the Texans call New England and get Mallett.
 
2014-01-08 02:43:53 PM
Subby thinks Manziel is going to the Texans? I suppose that's plausible -- he might be worth that #33 overall pick.
 
2014-01-08 02:43:59 PM
My preference on Texans draft picks:

1. Bridgewater
2. HeisManziel
3. Trade down for more picks
 
2014-01-08 02:44:27 PM
Please, a much worse fate awaits Manziel......you could say all this energy is calling him, back where it comes from. He's going to have such a crude attitude, he'll truly be back where he belongs
 
2014-01-08 02:45:42 PM

lecavalier: As has been spoken about on various blogs/forums, I would not be surprised to see the Texans call New England and get Mallett.


*facepalm*

That makes no sense
 
2014-01-08 02:47:12 PM
I can't wait for Johnny and Timmy fighting it out for ESPN air time.
 
2014-01-08 02:48:14 PM

lecavalier: As has been spoken about on various blogs/forums, I would not be surprised to see the Texans call New England and get Mallett.


Houston has already said they would consider trading away the 1st pick. Ya never know.
 
2014-01-08 02:48:18 PM

HawgWild: Who the hell is Johhny Manziel?


The keyboard player from The Doors.  Try to keep up, please.
 
2014-01-08 02:48:24 PM
There is already a draft Johnny movement going in Houston.  http://www.draftjohnnymanziel.com/
 
2014-01-08 02:49:17 PM

GardenWeasel: lecavalier: As has been spoken about on various blogs/forums, I would not be surprised to see the Texans call New England and get Mallett.

Houston has already said they would consider trading away the 1st pick. Ya never know.


I don't think he warrants a first round pick, but I'm sure New England wouldn't argue.
 
2014-01-08 02:50:28 PM
...iIf he falls to the second round
 
2014-01-08 02:50:29 PM

HaywoodJablonski: lecavalier: As has been spoken about on various blogs/forums, I would not be surprised to see the Texans call New England and get Mallett.

*facepalm*

That makes no sense


Actually it does.  Bill O'Brien coached him during the 2011 season, so Mallet would know the playbook that Bo'B will throw out there.  They can trade the first pick down to get some needed help in other spots and have a decent QB to start things off with.
 
2014-01-08 02:50:53 PM

texdent: There's only one 'fall guy'


and guess where he lives... Houston.
 
2014-01-08 02:51:16 PM

HaywoodJablonski: lecavalier: As has been spoken about on various blogs/forums, I would not be surprised to see the Texans call New England and get Mallett.

*facepalm*

That makes no sense


Why not?
 
2014-01-08 02:51:31 PM
Maybe the greatest NCAA quarterback ever. At least top three all time in the entertaining department.


That boy is going to get hurt in the NFL.
 
2014-01-08 02:51:38 PM

fmcgalaxie500: I certainly hope not. Teddy Bridgewater or Blake Bortles


More likely, Manziel will be the next QB to be added to this famous jersey:

cdn.bleacherreport.net
 
2014-01-08 02:51:43 PM

chapman: There is already a draft Johnny movement going in Houston.  http://www.draftjohnnymanziel.com/


You know if they don't draft him they are going to have a backlash like the Pacers did when they drafted Reggie Miller instead of Steve Alford.
 
2014-01-08 02:52:40 PM
O'Brien isn't drafting Manziel. He's already said he wants someone highly motivated and Manziel is the second coming of Vince Young, without a NC win.

Most likely they're going to trade down for more picks, hire a veteran to keep the seat warm fora year and get a QB late in the draft. Or draft Bortles since O'Brien seems to like him a lot.
 
2014-01-08 02:53:17 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Maybe the greatest NCAA quarterback ever. At least top three all time in the entertaining department.


That boy is going to get hurt in the NFL.


Don't forget he's an immature douchbag!
 
2014-01-08 02:55:42 PM

lecavalier: HaywoodJablonski: lecavalier: As has been spoken about on various blogs/forums, I would not be surprised to see the Texans call New England and get Mallett.

*facepalm*

That makes no sense

Why not?


Because Mallett is dreadful. Have you not watched him in preseason or mop-up duty?
 
2014-01-08 02:55:43 PM

ongbok: You know if they don't draft him they are going to have a backlash like the Pacers did when they drafted Reggie Miller instead of Steve Alford.


I  know exactly what it will be like.  Houston has already been there with Vince Young.  People still call into sports radio in Houston suggesting that he is a viable QB for the Texans.
 
2014-01-08 02:56:12 PM
On a sorta side note, I don't think any of the quarterbacks that are likely to go in the first and second rounds are going to be bad choices at all.  Add in Fales, Carr, Murray, Mettenberger, and maybe even Smith (Wyoming) and - allegedly - Garroppolo out of Eastern Illinois ... and you have yourself a lot of potential to have yourself a solid NFL QB.
 
2014-01-08 02:56:42 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: The_Sponge: Grand_Moff_Joseph: He'll know he's made it big time when people start burning his jersey in the parking lot.  XD


Or when Matt Schaub burgers are taken off the menu and replaced with Johnny Football burgers.

I'd like a Johnnyception with cheese, and an order of pick-six fries to go.

*and since we're referring to Texas*

"...oh, and a coke."

Cashier: What type of coke would you like?

"Mt. Dew please."


Dr. Pepper. It's always Dr. Pepper. everynow and then it's Mountain Dew.
 
2014-01-08 02:57:06 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Maybe the greatest NCAA quarterback ever. At least top three all time in the entertaining department.


That boy is going to get hurt in the NFL.


He's Doug Flutie 2.0. I think he'll not only land on his feet but excel as an NFL QB
 
2014-01-08 02:57:57 PM

Terlis: HaywoodJablonski: lecavalier: As has been spoken about on various blogs/forums, I would not be surprised to see the Texans call New England and get Mallett.

*facepalm*

That makes no sense

Actually it does.  Bill O'Brien coached him during the 2011 season, so Mallet would know the playbook that Bo'B will throw out there.  They can trade the first pick down to get some needed help in other spots and have a decent QB to start things off with.


Mallett isn't decent. He's bloody terrible
 
2014-01-08 02:58:36 PM
Can you say sideline reporter competition for Tebow?
 
2014-01-08 02:59:32 PM
I would rather have his receivers at TAM. Those guys are the ones that made him look so good. After he ran around the backfield and chucked the ball in the air up for grabs, those guys were the ones going up and fight off the DB's to get the ball.
 
2014-01-08 03:00:25 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: The_Sponge: Grand_Moff_Joseph: He'll know he's made it big time when people start burning his jersey in the parking lot.  XD


Or when Matt Schaub burgers are taken off the menu and replaced with Johnny Football burgers.

I'd like a Johnnyception with cheese, and an order of pick-six fries to go.

*and since we're referring to Texas*

"...oh, and a coke."

Cashier: What type of coke would you like?

"Mt. Dew please."


Grew up in Houston, and that order is so true.
 
2014-01-08 03:01:54 PM

AxL sANe: HawgWild: Who the hell is Johhny Manziel?

The keyboard player from The Doors.  Try to keep up, please.


*snert

Well done.
 
2014-01-08 03:01:58 PM

HaywoodJablonski: lecavalier: HaywoodJablonski: lecavalier: As has been spoken about on various blogs/forums, I would not be surprised to see the Texans call New England and get Mallett.

*facepalm*

That makes no sense

Why not?

Because Mallett is dreadful. Have you not watched him in preseason or mop-up duty?


Yes, and I disagree. And, let's just say you are right, I saw him in college. He was arguably better than Newton in college.  The knock on him coing out of Arkansas was whenever there is so much as a slight breeze of pressure in his face, you had no idea whether or not the ball was going to end up rocketing to the target or in the seventh row. I read one scouting report that joked how if you gave him a four Mississippi count, he'd annihilate NFL defenses.  I believe that and with the way the NFL is today, unless you are playing in Miami, you will get as much time as you need because you can't do shiat on defense anymore.

But, that said, he is still straight out of central casting. Huge frame, huge arm, and can make every throw. Sure, he is hardly mobile but is elusive enough and is outrageously good on play action. You can do a lot worse in the draft than grabbing Mallett now.
 
2014-01-08 03:02:19 PM
Just stop it Subby, we all know the Browns will draft Manziel and it will be hilarious.
 
2014-01-08 03:02:32 PM

EqualOpportunityEnslaver: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The_Sponge: Grand_Moff_Joseph: He'll know he's made it big time when people start burning his jersey in the parking lot.  XD


Or when Matt Schaub burgers are taken off the menu and replaced with Johnny Football burgers.

I'd like a Johnnyception with cheese, and an order of pick-six fries to go.

*and since we're referring to Texas*

"...oh, and a coke."

Cashier: What type of coke would you like?

"Mt. Dew please."

Grew up in Houston, and that order is so true.


To be truly authentic, the order needs to follow up with

"what vegetables would you like on the side?

"Cornbread and macaroni and cheese."
 
2014-01-08 03:02:32 PM

AntonChigger: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Maybe the greatest NCAA quarterback ever. At least top three all time in the entertaining department.


That boy is going to get hurt in the NFL.

Don't forget he's an immature douchbag!


Every time someone brings that up it think of the immortal words of Eddie Felson.

"That's not what I said, kid. I said you *are* a natural character; you're an incredible flake. But that's a *gift*. Some guys spend half their lives trying to invent something like that. You walk into a pool room with that go-go-go, the guys'll be *killing* each other, trying to get to you. You got that... But I'll tell you something, kiddo. You couldn't find Big Time if you had a road map."
 
2014-01-08 03:02:54 PM
What is he? 5'10'' and 175lbs? He's going to get crushed the first time he holds on to the ball too long trying to create some of his Johnny Football magic.
 
2014-01-08 03:04:00 PM

lecavalier: As has been spoken about on various blogs/forums, I would not be surprised to see the Texans call New England and get Mallett.


I have this theory about those people that speak highly of Mallett.  They are all Patriots fans that realize how terrible he has been in the few appearances he's made.  They are hoping to drum up enough interest in him that someone will be stupid enough to take them off the Patriots' hands.
 
2014-01-08 03:04:36 PM

HaywoodJablonski: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Maybe the greatest NCAA quarterback ever. At least top three all time in the entertaining department.


That boy is going to get hurt in the NFL.

He's Doug Flutie 2.0. I think he'll not only land on his feet but excel as an NFL QB


And we agree on this one. He'll obviously have to tame his Johnny Football act because defensive ends at the NFL level aren't going to fall for his pirouettes every time like they do at this level (but, once every other week, he will Johnny Football some poor defender; much to our enjoyment).
 
2014-01-08 03:05:23 PM

ongbok: I would rather have his receivers at TAM. Those guys are the ones that made him look so good. After he ran around the backfield and chucked the ball in the air up for grabs, those guys were the ones going up and fight off the DB's to get the ball.


Glad someone else noticed that too
 
2014-01-08 03:05:37 PM
No way in hell.  McNair doesn't want players with the kind of character that Manziel has.  He wants his players to either be totally off the radar (like Andre Johnson), or, if they do have a media personality, be safely quirky (like Arian Foster).  The most famous picture of Johnny Football out there is of him at a kegger with a firework in his mouth.

There is no way Bob "Goody-Two-Shoes" McNair drafts that kind of guy to his team.
 
2014-01-08 03:06:10 PM

Ivandrago: What is he? 5'10'' and 175lbs? He's going to get crushed the first time he holds on to the ball too long trying to create some of his Johnny Football magic.


Why do people think he is that small?  I am a bartender in a sports bar so I talk about college football a lot and I have never met one person that realizes he is 6'1, 210. And even if you want to call that program weight, then he is 6'0/200. Nobody is even close when guessing how big he is.
 
2014-01-08 03:06:55 PM

lecavalier: And we agree on this one. He'll obviously have to tame his Johnny Football act because defensive ends at the NFL level aren't going to fall for his pirouettes every time like they do at this level (but, once every other week, he will Johnny Football some poor defender; much to our enjoyment).


I'm okay with him Johnny Footballing every other week if I get to watch him get levelled on a consistent basis by 180lb CB's and 220lb SS's.
 
2014-01-08 03:07:12 PM
Yeah all that running around means his knee is going to take a hit in an awkward position.

He won't be twirling around NFL DBs

Just ask rg bobby no knees
 
2014-01-08 03:07:26 PM

RumsfeldsReplacement: Just stop it Subby, we all know the Browns will draft Manziel and it will be hilarious.


Outside chance they get Vick instead, but getting washed up Eagles QBs is more of a Vikings things
 
2014-01-08 03:07:36 PM

chapman: EqualOpportunityEnslaver: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The_Sponge: Grand_Moff_Joseph: He'll know he's made it big time when people start burning his jersey in the parking lot.  XD


Or when Matt Schaub burgers are taken off the menu and replaced with Johnny Football burgers.

I'd like a Johnnyception with cheese, and an order of pick-six fries to go.

*and since we're referring to Texas*

"...oh, and a coke."

Cashier: What type of coke would you like?

"Mt. Dew please."

Grew up in Houston, and that order is so true.

To be truly authentic, the order needs to follow up with

"what vegetables would you like on the side?

"Cornbread and macaroni and cheese."


Indeed
 
2014-01-08 03:07:38 PM

HaywoodJablonski: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Maybe the greatest NCAA quarterback ever. At least top three all time in the entertaining department.


That boy is going to get hurt in the NFL.

He's Doug Flutie 2.0. I think he'll not only land on his feet but excel as an NFL QB


Don't you dare desecrate the memory of Doug Flutie by comparing Johnny Fraudball to him.  If anything, Manziel is like Favre but without the arm or the size.  The only thing he has in common with Flutie is his height.
 
2014-01-08 03:07:51 PM

EqualOpportunityEnslaver: ongbok: I would rather have his receivers at TAM. Those guys are the ones that made him look so good. After he ran around the backfield and chucked the ball in the air up for grabs, those guys were the ones going up and fight off the DB's to get the ball.

Glad someone else noticed that too


You could also argue that the defense's need to spy/focus on Manziel constantly puts his receivers in single coverage. That said, Mike Evans is a stud and could probably make me look good at QB ... and I can't throw for shiat!
 
2014-01-08 03:08:35 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: HaywoodJablonski: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Maybe the greatest NCAA quarterback ever. At least top three all time in the entertaining department.


That boy is going to get hurt in the NFL.

He's Doug Flutie 2.0. I think he'll not only land on his feet but excel as an NFL QB

Don't you dare desecrate the memory of Doug Flutie by comparing Johnny Fraudball to him.  If anything, Manziel is like Favre but without the arm or the size.  The only thing he has in common with Flutie is his height.


See?
 
2014-01-08 03:08:59 PM

lecavalier: Ivandrago: What is he? 5'10'' and 175lbs? He's going to get crushed the first time he holds on to the ball too long trying to create some of his Johnny Football magic.

Why do people think he is that small?  I am a bartender in a sports bar so I talk about college football a lot and I have never met one person that realizes he is 6'1, 210. And even if you want to call that program weight, then he is 6'0/200. Nobody is even close when guessing how big he is.


Because that's what teams do. South Carolina did it all year with Connor Shaw. Listing him as 6'1 209. It's hard to call someone 6'1 when they're barely two inches taller than the 5'9 running back they're standing next to.
 
2014-01-08 03:09:28 PM

EqualOpportunityEnslaver: ongbok: I would rather have his receivers at TAM. Those guys are the ones that made him look so good. After he ran around the backfield and chucked the ball in the air up for grabs, those guys were the ones going up and fight off the DB's to get the ball.

Glad someone else noticed that too


Glad somebody else noticed also, thought I was the only one.
 
2014-01-08 03:09:45 PM

lecavalier: GardenWeasel: lecavalier: As has been spoken about on various blogs/forums, I would not be surprised to see the Texans call New England and get Mallett.

Houston has already said they would consider trading away the 1st pick. Ya never know.

I don't think he warrants a first round pick, but I'm sure New England wouldn't argue.


God no. They trade the 1st to someone else for a buttload of picks, and use some lower pick to grab Mallett
 
2014-01-08 03:10:03 PM

lecavalier: Why do people think he is that small? I am a bartender in a sports bar so I talk about college football a lot and I have never met one person that realizes he is 6'1, 210. And even if you want to call that program weight, then he is 6'0/200. Nobody is even close when guessing how big he is.


That's because he is standing next to giants. For some reason people think they are as large as the line men there for the running backs and QB are shorter than they are.

I don't know why but it is something I've noticed
 
2014-01-08 03:10:48 PM

IlGreven: fmcgalaxie500: I certainly hope not. Teddy Bridgewater or Blake Bortles

More likely, Manziel will be the next QB to be added to this famous jersey:

[cdn.bleacherreport.net image 599x600]


Missing Jason Campbell
 
2014-01-08 03:11:10 PM
Doug Flutie 2 Electric Boogaloo
 
2014-01-08 03:11:20 PM

ShadowKamui: RumsfeldsReplacement: Just stop it Subby, we all know the Browns will draft Manziel and it will be hilarious.

Outside chance they get Vick instead, but getting washed up Eagles QBs is more of a Vikings things


You could leave "Eagles" out of that sentence and still be 100% correct.

/has a sad because I'm a Vikings fan
 
2014-01-08 03:11:35 PM

ongbok: chapman: There is already a draft Johnny movement going in Houston.  http://www.draftjohnnymanziel.com/

You know if they don't draft him they are going to have a backlash like the Pacers did when they drafted Reggie Miller instead of Steve Alford.


Yeah, and since the Texans FO doesn't have the IQ of a potato (Ed Reed notwithstanding), they'll ignore that backlash.  Then, a few years later, they'll be sitting smug watching all of the people who bashed their draft choices eating crow a-la JJ Watt and Mario Williams.  They've been here before, and they've got no problems ignoring the idiots in the fanbase because they know those idiots will shut up when the team starts performing.
 
2014-01-08 03:11:35 PM

Ivandrago: lecavalier: Ivandrago: What is he? 5'10'' and 175lbs? He's going to get crushed the first time he holds on to the ball too long trying to create some of his Johnny Football magic.

Why do people think he is that small?  I am a bartender in a sports bar so I talk about college football a lot and I have never met one person that realizes he is 6'1, 210. And even if you want to call that program weight, then he is 6'0/200. Nobody is even close when guessing how big he is.

Because that's what teams do. South Carolina did it all year with Connor Shaw. Listing him as 6'1 209. It's hard to call someone 6'1 when they're barely two inches taller than the 5'9 running back they're standing next to.


Well, I don't know what to say because this is impossible to argue about. If you want to say that is his program weight, then what can I say? I will just respond that with my eyeballs that I use to watch him on TV, I don't see a lie in 6'1/210.
 
2014-01-08 03:12:50 PM

scottydoesntknow: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 229x188]

/Seriously, keep that prima donna douche away from my Texans


Yeah no, he's a project.  I know some GM/front office guy is going to convince themselves to think this guy can play week 1; he's got a better arm than Tebow but that's about it.
 
2014-01-08 03:14:13 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: lecavalier: Why do people think he is that small? I am a bartender in a sports bar so I talk about college football a lot and I have never met one person that realizes he is 6'1, 210. And even if you want to call that program weight, then he is 6'0/200. Nobody is even close when guessing how big he is.

That's because he is standing next to giants. For some reason people think they are as large as the line men there for the running backs and QB are shorter than they are.

I don't know why but it is something I've noticed


I'm sure he'll get an invite to the combine. We'll just have to wait and see how he measures up. I remember we used to say Alshon Jeffery was 6'4. At the combine he didn't even make it to 6'3.
 
2014-01-08 03:14:52 PM

RumsfeldsReplacement: Just stop it Subby, we all know the Browns will draft Manziel and it will be hilarious.


Nah, the Browns will go for Bortles. Bortles is "still learning" and "has a lot of potential," which means none of that is true and he'll be McCoy/Weeden 2.0
 
2014-01-08 03:14:59 PM

HaywoodJablonski: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Maybe the greatest NCAA quarterback ever. At least top three all time in the entertaining department.


That boy is going to get hurt in the NFL.

He's Doug Flutie 2.0. I think he'll not only land on his feet but excel as an NFL QB


In a year or two...not right now.
 
2014-01-08 03:15:23 PM

Ivandrago: The Stealth Hippopotamus: lecavalier: Why do people think he is that small? I am a bartender in a sports bar so I talk about college football a lot and I have never met one person that realizes he is 6'1, 210. And even if you want to call that program weight, then he is 6'0/200. Nobody is even close when guessing how big he is.

That's because he is standing next to giants. For some reason people think they are as large as the line men there for the running backs and QB are shorter than they are.

I don't know why but it is something I've noticed

I'm sure he'll get an invite to the combine. We'll just have to wait and see how he measures up. I remember we used to say Alshon Jeffery was 6'4. At the combine he didn't even make it to 6'3.


We've all seen Jeffery play this year and I feel confident in saying that he is 7'4" with 52" hands.
 
2014-01-08 03:17:49 PM

Rwa2play: he's got a better arm than Tebow but that's about it.


I actually think Tebow's got a better arm. I'm not sure I've ever seen Manziel make an "NFL throw" that wasn't a wounded duck. If he's a 1st round pick, predicting him to be a bust might be the easiest prediction of the entire round.
 
2014-01-08 03:18:08 PM

Rwa2play: HaywoodJablonski: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Maybe the greatest NCAA quarterback ever. At least top three all time in the entertaining department.


That boy is going to get hurt in the NFL.

He's Doug Flutie 2.0. I think he'll not only land on his feet but excel as an NFL QB

In a year or two...not right now.


I'm ok with that
 
2014-01-08 03:18:51 PM

lecavalier: Ivandrago: lecavalier: Ivandrago: What is he? 5'10'' and 175lbs? He's going to get crushed the first time he holds on to the ball too long trying to create some of his Johnny Football magic.

Why do people think he is that small?  I am a bartender in a sports bar so I talk about college football a lot and I have never met one person that realizes he is 6'1, 210. And even if you want to call that program weight, then he is 6'0/200. Nobody is even close when guessing how big he is.

Because that's what teams do. South Carolina did it all year with Connor Shaw. Listing him as 6'1 209. It's hard to call someone 6'1 when they're barely two inches taller than the 5'9 running back they're standing next to.

Well, I don't know what to say because this is impossible to argue about. If you want to say that is his program weight, then what can I say? I will just respond that with my eyeballs that I use to watch him on TV, I don't see a lie in 6'1/210.


Either way, he doesn't have prototypical NFL QB height and his NCAA-level elusiveness won't translate to the NFL because he's not big enough and not fast enough, and his arm isn't good enough for teams to wait it out while he figures out how to play at the next level.  He might - might - stick it out as a backup, but I doubt he'll last in the NFL through his rookie deal.
 
2014-01-08 03:19:46 PM
lecavalier:We've all seen Jeffery play this year and I feel confident in saying that he is 7'4" with 52" hands.

I'm so happy to see he's excelling.
You always want your guys to do well and South Carolina fans were pissed that he fell to the 2nd round because he was thought to be "fat and slow" and we knew he was a stud. It's not his fault his QB forgot how to throw the ball.

/I don't think I'll be able to pick him in the 12th round of my fantasy draft next year.
 
2014-01-08 03:24:39 PM

NEDM: because they know those idiots will shut up when the team starts performing.


Until they start losing, that is. I listen to Fred Faour and A.J. Hoffman's show quite a bit and they just hang up if anyone mentions VY or Keenum or Cowher/Gruden, which is quite a bit. Honestly, I don't know why sports radio doesn't just do away with call ins, since they never say anything insightful or ask a question that doesn't gives you a migraine.
 
2014-01-08 03:24:45 PM
As a Husker (not a student but family of former alumni) I got to see him mutilate the Husker defense for a half before Dennard jumped him and got them both tossed.  He is a monster and I love seeing receivers work like him,
 
2014-01-08 03:24:53 PM

HaywoodJablonski: Rwa2play: HaywoodJablonski: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Maybe the greatest NCAA quarterback ever. At least top three all time in the entertaining department.


That boy is going to get hurt in the NFL.

He's Doug Flutie 2.0. I think he'll not only land on his feet but excel as an NFL QB

In a year or two...not right now.

I'm ok with that


There's your problem:  You, me and several others see him as good a year or two down the line.  I could see it with RGIII when he came out that he can be a week 1 starter.  Not with JM.
 
2014-01-08 03:26:04 PM

The_Sponge: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The_Sponge: Grand_Moff_Joseph: He'll know he's made it big time when people start burning his jersey in the parking lot.  XD


Or when Matt Schaub burgers are taken off the menu and replaced with Johnny Football burgers.

I'd like a Johnnyception with cheese, and an order of pick-six fries to go.

*and since we're referring to Texas*

"...oh, and a coke."

Cashier: What type of coke would you like?

"Mt. Dew please."


Heh.

But seriously....people need to stop calling all sodas "Coke".....it's annoying.  That would be like calling all beers "Budweiser" or "Bud".

"I'll have a Budweiser."

"What kind?"

"Guinness."

/And that's what really grinds my gears.


I have lived all over the south and in texas my entire life and have never heard anybody do that.  When people say they want a coke.  That is what they are looking for.  A Coca-cola.  If they don't have that, then they might be offered a pepsi.  or some other drink.  In texas, usually a dr pepper.  But nobody ever asks for a coke and expects a dr. pepper.  It flat out never happens.
 
2014-01-08 03:26:26 PM
What's his status on signing autographs now? I know he wasn't signing them during that football game but I hope he's signing autographs again. I want to get one before that little squirt is smooshed by some 400 lb. defensive lineman.

/His entire NFL career will be spent impersonating Dark Helmet and running the "Hide the Midget" play
 
2014-01-08 03:26:35 PM
Dear Vikings,

Hire Mike Zimmer, draft Johnny Football.

Thanks.
 
2014-01-08 03:27:54 PM
I want him on the Vikings. The thought of him and Peterson together is very Sports Entertaining for me.
 
2014-01-08 03:30:12 PM
ESPN bobbleheads seen buying lots of Chapstick and knee pads.  Stephen A Smith and his b*tch Skip Bayliss fighting over who's first.

/ meanwhile Jonny Manziel is in Canton OH having his bust cast of his H.O.F. induction.

// Tim Tebow thankful that he's out of the spotlight...... until NEXT SEASON baby !!!
 
2014-01-08 03:30:41 PM
He's going to Oakland, where he'll get fat and fail.
 
2014-01-08 03:31:59 PM
He'll learn that suicide is painless, it brings on many changes, and I can take or leave it, if I please.
 
2014-01-08 03:32:28 PM

HeathenHealer: I want him on the Vikings. The thought of him and Peterson together is very Sports Entertaining for me.


Hope he enjoys playing in sub-zero weather in December.
 
2014-01-08 03:32:47 PM
Aggie fan here:  Manziel was one of the greatest college football players of all time.  This year, he had better stats than Jameis Winston against tougher competition (even if you include the two down games Manziel had at the end of the season when he was nursing an injury).

If he's going to make it in the NFL, he has to a) accept a lot of coaching, and b) be ready to sit for a couple of years behind a veteran.

I don't think he's any less mature than your typical 20 year old, but I guess time will tell.  It's got to be hard to keep your head about you when everybody is telling you you're a god.

plcow: But nobody ever asks for a coke and expects a dr. pepper.  It flat out never happens.


It happens all the time here in Texas.
 
2014-01-08 03:33:31 PM
Johnny Fartball sucks. He will never make it, in fact he will fail miserably. So many dumb farkers out there.
 
2014-01-08 03:33:42 PM
How will Johnny D-Bag adjust to the pay cut of playing in the NFL?
 
2014-01-08 03:34:54 PM
Thread seems to be missing something ...

guyism.com

There, that's better.
 
2014-01-08 03:35:15 PM

HaywoodJablonski: RumsfeldsReplacement: Just stop it Subby, we all know the Browns will draft Manziel and it will be hilarious.

Nah, the Browns will go for Bortles. Bortles is "still learning" and "has a lot of potential," which means none of that is true and he'll be McCoy/Weeden 2.0


Hey now, Weeden didn't have any potential. After all, he was already older than the guy he was replacing.
 
2014-01-08 03:35:21 PM

Cowboy Spencer: Aggie fan here:  Manziel was one of the greatest college football players of all time.   This year, he had better stats than Jameis Winston against tougher competition (even if you include the two down games Manziel had at the end of the season when he was nursing an injury).

If he's going to make it in the NFL, he has to a) accept a lot of coaching, and b) be ready to sit for a couple of years behind a veteran.

I don't think he's any less mature than your typical 20 year old, but I guess time will tell.  It's got to be hard to keep your head about you when everybody is telling you you're a god.

plcow: But nobody ever asks for a coke and expects a dr. pepper.  It flat out never happens.

It happens all the time here in Texas.


I hate when people trot this out. They all seem to forget that Winston rarely played past halfway through the third quarter.
 
2014-01-08 03:35:55 PM

plcow: The_Sponge: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The_Sponge: Grand_Moff_Joseph: He'll know he's made it big time when people start burning his jersey in the parking lot.  XD


Or when Matt Schaub burgers are taken off the menu and replaced with Johnny Football burgers.

I'd like a Johnnyception with cheese, and an order of pick-six fries to go.

*and since we're referring to Texas*

"...oh, and a coke."

Cashier: What type of coke would you like?

"Mt. Dew please."


Heh.

But seriously....people need to stop calling all sodas "Coke".....it's annoying.  That would be like calling all beers "Budweiser" or "Bud".

"I'll have a Budweiser."

"What kind?"

"Guinness."

/And that's what really grinds my gears.

I have lived all over the south and in texas my entire life and have never heard anybody do that.  When people say they want a coke.  That is what they are looking for.  A Coca-cola.  If they don't have that, then they might be offered a pepsi.  or some other drink.  In texas, usually a dr pepper.  But nobody ever asks for a coke and expects a dr. pepper.  It flat out never happens.


[Mustacheddownsguylookingquizzical.jpg]
 
2014-01-08 03:36:40 PM

Rwa2play: HeathenHealer: I want him on the Vikings. The thought of him and Peterson together is very Sports Entertaining for me.

Hope he enjoys playing in sub-zero weather in December.


At least it won't be a problem in January.

:(
 
2014-01-08 03:37:27 PM
flak attack:
I have this theory about those people that speak highly of Mallett.  They are all Patriots fans that realize how terrible he has been in the few appearances he's made.  They are hoping to drum up enough interest in him that someone will be stupid enough to take them off the Patriots' hands.

If that's true obviously O'Brien won't touch him.  But I'm more of a Mallett supporter because I'd want to see him do well in the same way I'd want to see Hoyer and Cassell do well.  You're not getting a chance in New England with Brady still here.
He was drafted at 74 in the third round.  Pretending a trade did happen, there's your barometer - obviously he's not going for the first rounder - the second rounder means O'Brien means business with this guy, and the third rounder is basically Belichick doing O'Brien a favor (or vice versa).  Anything lower is either a favor (unlikely) "oh my god we're going 2-14 again"
Either way, I'm sure the Texans could do a lot better than to take an iffy quarterback with that number one pick if they can get an iffy quarterback cheaper elsewhere and strengthen another area of need.
 
2014-01-08 03:37:27 PM

IAmRight: HaywoodJablonski: RumsfeldsReplacement: Just stop it Subby, we all know the Browns will draft Manziel and it will be hilarious.

Nah, the Browns will go for Bortles. Bortles is "still learning" and "has a lot of potential," which means none of that is true and he'll be McCoy/Weeden 2.0

Hey now, Weeden didn't have any potential. After all, he was already older than the guy he was replacing.


Good call
 
2014-01-08 03:40:15 PM

VvonderJesus: Rwa2play: HeathenHealer: I want him on the Vikings. The thought of him and Peterson together is very Sports Entertaining for me.

Hope he enjoys playing in sub-zero weather in December.

At least it won't be a problem in January.

:(


You and I both know that's true, but you still didn't need to point it out.

:(
 
2014-01-08 03:40:36 PM

ongbok: I hate when people trot this out. They all seem to forget that Winston rarely played past halfway through the third quarter.


I didn't forget.  I ran an analysis that showed they played roughly the same percentage of their team's plays this season.

I initially found an analysis that suggested this, but only broke it down by quarter.  Then I did my own by play, and found similar results.
 
2014-01-08 03:41:33 PM

Cowboy Spencer: Aggie fan here: Manziel was one of the greatest college football players of all time.


Please back up this statement, Kanye.
 
2014-01-08 03:47:03 PM
Prediction - Houston trades the pick with the Raiders for their first, a second, and Matt McGloin.  O'Brien will want nothing to do with Manziel, but Mark Davis needs to sell seats

/i'll shiat if this actually happens though
 
2014-01-08 03:47:33 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: Please back up this statement, Kanye.


LMGTFY.

He holds the first three spots on the record books for total offense in a game in the SEC.
He holds the record for most total offense in a season in the SEC.
He holds the NCAA freshman record for total offense, and for rushing yards by a QB.
First freshman in NCAA history with 3000+ passing yards and 1000+ rushing yards in a season.
He was the fastest player in NCAA history to reach 7000 yards in total offense.

He was the first freshman to win the Heisman.  And this season, he outperformed the player who was awarded the Heisman.
 
2014-01-08 03:48:18 PM

EqualOpportunityEnslaver: VvonderJesus:

At least it won't be a problem in January.

:(

You and I both know that's true, but you still didn't need to point it out.

:(


We'll get there in a few years when they move to 18 games
 
2014-01-08 03:49:42 PM

HaywoodJablonski: lecavalier: HaywoodJablonski: lecavalier: As has been spoken about on various blogs/forums, I would not be surprised to see the Texans call New England and get Mallett.

*facepalm*

That makes no sense

Why not?

Because Mallett is dreadful. Have you not watched him in preseason or mop-up duty?


This.  I think Brain Hoyer showed more development during his time on the bench than Mallett has.  Though, if they do go for Mallett, I'm sure NE would be than happy to take a draft pick or three in return as they are wont to do.  Of course, all the sports hacks up here will say it's "genius".  I'm still waiting for these brilliant moves to actually pay off.

/Really wanted NE to draft Patterson and Elam last year
 
2014-01-08 03:51:29 PM

CreativeFarkHandle: HaywoodJablonski: lecavalier: HaywoodJablonski: lecavalier: As has been spoken about on various blogs/forums, I would not be surprised to see the Texans call New England and get Mallett.

*facepalm*

That makes no sense

Why not?

Because Mallett is dreadful. Have you not watched him in preseason or mop-up duty?

This.  I think Brain Hoyer showed more development during his time on the bench than Mallett has.  Though, if they do go for Mallett, I'm sure NE would be than happy to take a draft pick or three in return as they are wont to do.  Of course, all the sports hacks up here will say it's "genius".  I'm still waiting for these brilliant moves to actually pay off.

/Really wanted NE to draft Patterson and/or Elam last year


FTFM
 
2014-01-08 03:51:32 PM

The_Sponge: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The_Sponge: Grand_Moff_Joseph: He'll know he's made it big time when people start burning his jersey in the parking lot.  XD


Or when Matt Schaub burgers are taken off the menu and replaced with Johnny Football burgers.

I'd like a Johnnyception with cheese, and an order of pick-six fries to go.

*and since we're referring to Texas*

"...oh, and a coke."

Cashier: What type of coke would you like?

"Mt. Dew please."


Heh.

But seriously....people need to stop calling all sodas "Coke".....it's annoying.  That would be like calling all beers "Budweiser" or "Bud".

"I'll have a Budweiser."

"What kind?"

"Guinness."

/And that's what really grinds my gears.


Don't go to London to buy vaccuum cleaners, then.

/But that's not a Hoover! That's a Dyson!
 
2014-01-08 03:56:17 PM

Cowboy Spencer: He holds the first three spots on the record books for total offense in a game in the SEC.
He holds the record for most total offense in a season in the SEC.


You're aware that the SEC's defensive squads are no more impressive than anyone else's at this point, right?

As for history, yeah, all those records are falling nearly every year, as spread offenses make it very, very easy to score against mistake-prone defenses.
 
2014-01-08 03:57:09 PM

VvonderJesus: EqualOpportunityEnslaver: VvonderJesus:

At least it won't be a problem in January.

:(

You and I both know that's true, but you still didn't need to point it out.

:(

We'll get there in a few years when they move to 18 games


Yup.
 
2014-01-08 03:57:22 PM
He is falling to the Vikings, where he will flounder for a few years before ultimatley not being the right fit.

Duh.
 
2014-01-08 03:58:53 PM

EqualOpportunityEnslaver: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The_Sponge: Grand_Moff_Joseph: He'll know he's made it big time when people start burning his jersey in the parking lot.  XD


Or when Matt Schaub burgers are taken off the menu and replaced with Johnny Football burgers.

I'd like a Johnnyception with cheese, and an order of pick-six fries to go.

*and since we're referring to Texas*

"...oh, and a coke."

Cashier: What type of coke would you like?

"Mt. Dew please."

Grew up in Houston, and that order is so true.


grew up there too (3rd grade-high school at least).  Funny how the silliness of that exchange never dawned on me at all.  I just accepted it as proper word usage, lol.


/still hated whataburger though
//blech
///Miami subs ftw
 
2014-01-08 04:03:16 PM

Cowboy Spencer: AdmirableSnackbar: Please back up this statement, Kanye.

LMGTFY.

He holds the first three spots on the record books for total offense in a game in the SEC.
He holds the record for most total offense in a season in the SEC.
He holds the NCAA freshman record for total offense, and for rushing yards by a QB.
First freshman in NCAA history with 3000+ passing yards and 1000+ rushing yards in a season.
He was the fastest player in NCAA history to reach 7000 yards in total offense.

He was the first freshman to win the Heisman.  And this season, he outperformed the player who was awarded the Heisman.


And zero championships of any kind to show for it.  He's the Matt Stafford of NCAA football - great stats, not a winner.  He's not even one of the greatest college football players of the past 10 years, let alone all time.

And your statistical analysis punishes Jameis Winston who had a running attack that meant he wasn't passing or running it himself all of the time.  I'm sure you had fun watching Johnny Fraudball, but that doesn't mean he was one of the best of all time.
 
2014-01-08 04:03:24 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: EqualOpportunityEnslaver: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The_Sponge: Grand_Moff_Joseph: He'll know he's made it big time when people start burning his jersey in the parking lot.  XD


Or when Matt Schaub burgers are taken off the menu and replaced with Johnny Football burgers.

I'd like a Johnnyception with cheese, and an order of pick-six fries to go.

*and since we're referring to Texas*

"...oh, and a coke."

Cashier: What type of coke would you like?

"Mt. Dew please."

Grew up in Houston, and that order is so true.

grew up there too (3rd grade-high school at least).  Funny how the silliness of that exchange never dawned on me at all.  I just accepted it as proper word usage, lol.


/still hated whataburger though
//blech
///Miami subs ftw


Really? I kinda miss Whataburger when I compare it to the local fare here in MN. I'm weird like that though.
 
2014-01-08 04:08:05 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: And zero championships of any kind to show for it.  He's the Matt Stafford of NCAA football - great stats, not a winner.  He's not even one of the greatest college football players of the past 10 years, let alone all time.

And your statistical analysis punishes Jameis Winston who had a running attack that meant he wasn't passing or running it himself all of the time.  I'm sure you had fun watching Johnny Fraudball, but that doesn't mean he was one of the best of all time.


Yes, Manziel wasn't really a great player because he didn't also play defense.  TAMU had one of the worst defenses in the NCAA last season.  I'm going purely off statistics/performance.

And your second sentence actually helps my argument:  Jameis Winston didn't have as much of the load to carry as Manziel did.  

IAmRight: You're aware that the SEC's defensive squads are no more impressive than anyone else's at this point, right?


 You're aware that the SEC's defensive squads are no more impressive than anyone else's at this point, right?

So this is why Manziel had 454 yards, 4 passing TDs and 1 rushing TD against Auburn while Winston had 237 yards, 2 passing TDs, and no rushing TDs?

That's why the SEC went 7-3 in the 2013 bowls?  That's why the SEC ranked higher than all other major conferences in defense this year?  That's why the 4 of the 5 best defenses since 2008 were SEC teams?
 
2014-01-08 04:09:45 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: I just accepted it as proper word usage, lol.


Because it is - if anyone in the area understands exactly what you mean, then it's proper.

I transitioned through calling all soft drinks "coke," "pop," and now "soda" since people that use soda are the biggest assholes about making fun of any other way of saying it.

As for the whole "it's like calling it a Budweiser"...yeah, if Budweiser had been the only company of national significance selling beer for decades (Pepsi wasn't anything until 40 years after Coke and still went bankrupt in the '30s and Coke could've bought it several times but declined because it was so worthless).

But beer's been around for thousands of years.
 
2014-01-08 04:11:57 PM

Cowboy Spencer: You're aware that the SEC's defensive squads are no more impressive than anyone else's at this point, right?

So this is why Manziel had 454 yards, 4 passing TDs and 1 rushing TD against Auburn while Winston had 237 yards, 2 passing TDs, and no rushing TDs?

That's why the SEC went 7-3 in the 2013 bowls?  That's why the SEC ranked higher than all other major conferences in defense this year?  That's why the 4 of the 5 best defenses since 2008 were SEC teams?


I'm aware that 2008's teams have 0 to do with 2013's teams. I'm aware that Auburn's team improved greatly throughout the season. FFS, Washington State almost beat them at home in the opener.  I'm aware that bowl matchups are kinda silly and the SEC's top teams lost their bowls.
 
2014-01-08 04:13:14 PM

The_Sponge: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The_Sponge: Grand_Moff_Joseph: He'll know he's made it big time when people start burning his jersey in the parking lot.  XD


Or when Matt Schaub burgers are taken off the menu and replaced with Johnny Football burgers.

I'd like a Johnnyception with cheese, and an order of pick-six fries to go.

*and since we're referring to Texas*

"...oh, and a coke."

Cashier: What type of coke would you like?

"Mt. Dew please."


Heh.

But seriously....people need to stop calling all sodas "Coke".....it's annoying.  That would be like calling all beers "Budweiser" or "Bud".

"I'll have a Budweiser."

"What kind?"

"Guinness."

/And that's what really grinds my gears.


I grew up in Texas and Tennessee and that never happened once.  Not one time.  I've heard on Fark that "people in the South call all sodas Coke" but I never encountered that in 20 years.  It might have seemed that way, because pretty much the only soda they drink is Coke, but if someone wants a Dr. Pepper, they ask for a Dr. Pepper.
 
2014-01-08 04:14:05 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: Cowboy Spencer: AdmirableSnackbar: Please back up this statement, Kanye.

LMGTFY.

He holds the first three spots on the record books for total offense in a game in the SEC.
He holds the record for most total offense in a season in the SEC.
He holds the NCAA freshman record for total offense, and for rushing yards by a QB.
First freshman in NCAA history with 3000+ passing yards and 1000+ rushing yards in a season.
He was the fastest player in NCAA history to reach 7000 yards in total offense.

He was the first freshman to win the Heisman.  And this season, he outperformed the player who was awarded the Heisman.

And zero championships of any kind to show for it.  He's the Matt Stafford of NCAA football - great stats, not a winner.  He's not even one of the greatest college football players of the past 10 years, let alone all time.

And your statistical analysis punishes Jameis Winston who had a running attack that meant he wasn't passing or running it himself all of the time.  I'm sure you had fun watching Johnny Fraudball, but that doesn't mean he was one of the best of all time.


I hear Herschel Walker was a hell of a college player...
 
2014-01-08 04:16:51 PM

timujin: I grew up in Texas and Tennessee and that never happened once.  Not one time.  I've heard on Fark that "people in the South call all sodas Coke"


In fairness, those are fringe-South states and I'm sure with the ubiquity of TV, regional things like that are dying out.
 
2014-01-08 04:17:02 PM

IAmRight: I'm aware that 2008's teams have 0 to do with 2013's teams. I'm aware that Auburn's team improved greatly throughout the season. FFS, Washington State almost beat them at home in the opener.  I'm aware that bowl matchups are kinda silly and the SEC's top teams lost their bowls.


Gotcha.  So I quote actual statistics and ratings and you're going on gut feelings.
 
2014-01-08 04:17:51 PM

IAmRight: I transitioned through calling all soft drinks "coke," "pop," and now "soda" since people that use soda are the biggest assholes about making fun of any other way of saying it.


We're not assholes, we just like to remind people of the proper term.
 
2014-01-08 04:18:23 PM

GardenWeasel: lecavalier: As has been spoken about on various blogs/forums, I would not be surprised to see the Texans call New England and get Mallett.

Houston has already said they would consider trading away the 1st pick. Ya never know.


It sounds more like theyre trying to get a sucker on par with the Redacteds.
 
2014-01-08 04:20:21 PM
please don't get drafted by the Titans. We don't need another Vince Young
 
2014-01-08 04:20:40 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: Cowboy Spencer: AdmirableSnackbar: Please back up this statement, Kanye.

LMGTFY.

He holds the first three spots on the record books for total offense in a game in the SEC.
He holds the record for most total offense in a season in the SEC.
He holds the NCAA freshman record for total offense, and for rushing yards by a QB.
First freshman in NCAA history with 3000+ passing yards and 1000+ rushing yards in a season.
He was the fastest player in NCAA history to reach 7000 yards in total offense.

He was the first freshman to win the Heisman.  And this season, he outperformed the player who was awarded the Heisman.

And zero championships of any kind to show for it.  He's the Matt Stafford of NCAA football - great stats, not a winner.  He's not even one of the greatest college football players of the past 10 years, let alone all time.

And your statistical analysis punishes Jameis Winston who had a running attack that meant he wasn't passing or running it himself all of the time.  I'm sure you had fun watching Johnny Fraudball, but that doesn't mean he was one of the best of all time.



College statistics and records
At the end of his college career, Tim Tebow held 5   He was the SEC's all-time leader in career Among many mentions in the NCAA Division-I record book, Tebow is ranked second in career passing efficiency, third in career yards per attempt (9.33), 8th in career rushing touchdowns, and also owns the record for most consecutive games in which he both threw at least one touchdown pass and scored at least one rushing touchdown (14).

Anything else you'd like to bring to the argument?
 
2014-01-08 04:25:10 PM

Cowboy Spencer: Gotcha.  So I quote actual statistics and ratings and you're going on gut feelings.


Everything I stated was a verifiable fact.
 
2014-01-08 04:26:47 PM

xaks: Tim Tebow


Tebow's best passing season:  3286 yards (66.9%), 32 TDs.
Manziel's best passing season:  4114 yards (69.9%), 37 TDs.

Tebow's best rushing season:  910 yards (4.3 ypc), 14 TDs
Manziel's best rushing season:  1410 yards (7.0 ypc),  21 TDs

Manziel is better than Tebow.
 
2014-01-08 04:27:49 PM

IAmRight: Everything I stated was a verifiable fact.


Some things you stated were verifiable, but most of them were just your opinion and actually had zero bearing on the original conversation.
 
2014-01-08 04:27:54 PM

ModernPrimitive01: please don't get drafted by the Titans. We don't need another Vince Young


Don't worry.  You don't have Bud Adams sitting there doing stuff specifically out of spite towards Houston.
 
2014-01-08 04:32:27 PM

IAmRight: timujin: I grew up in Texas and Tennessee and that never happened once.  Not one time.  I've heard on Fark that "people in the South call all sodas Coke"

In fairness, those are fringe-South states and I'm sure with the ubiquity of TV, regional things like that are dying out.


I'm old... not "before the advent of television" old, but old enough that if this was an actual thing I should have encountered it sometime in the last few decades.  What I have encountered is that they don't call them soda or pop, but by whatever name is given.  So Coke is Coke, Diet Coke is Diet Coke, Dr. Pepper is Dr. Pepper and so on.
 
2014-01-08 04:34:35 PM

Cowboy Spencer: That's why the SEC went 7-3 in the 2013 bowls? That's why the SEC ranked higher than all other major conferences in defense this year? That's why the 4 of the 5 best defenses since 2008 were SEC teams?


Dude...this is what I typically post in the daily Civil War related threads to rile the northerners.
 
2014-01-08 04:35:18 PM

Cowboy Spencer: xaks: Tim Tebow

Tebow's best passing season:  3286 yards (66.9%), 32 TDs.
Manziel's best passing season:  4114 yards (69.9%), 37 TDs.

Tebow's best rushing season:  910 yards (4.3 ypc), 14 TDs
Manziel's best rushing season:  1410 yards (7.0 ypc),  21 TDs

Manziel is better than Tebow.


easy to run up total yards and tds when you have no defense and all your games are high possession games just trying to outscore the other teams offense

and if you want to argue those kinds of stats

you can do a ctrl f for manziel here(but it's a waste of keystrokes):   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_football_records#Offense
 
2014-01-08 04:41:10 PM

STOP FIGHTING ABOUT MY FUTURE FAILED QB EVERYONE!


STOP IT!

*cries in corner*

 
2014-01-08 04:42:05 PM

Cowboy Spencer: Manziel is better than Tebow.


And he will have a shorter NFL career as a starter. Funny how that works.
 
2014-01-08 04:57:11 PM
Pardon me.  But could any of you ol' chaps point me toward a refreshment stand?  I wish to purchase a caffeinated high-fructose corn syrup beverage into which carbon dioxide gas under pressure has been dissolved thereby creating an effervescent effect...for myself and anyone who cares to join me in a discussion of an intercollegiate American football player whose abilities have been appraised very highly.  I wish to respectfully disagree!
 
2014-01-08 05:04:04 PM

thisisyourbrainonFark: Thread seems to be missing something ...

[guyism.com image 550x550]

There, that's better.


She's pretty strong, but holy crap she's unreal obsessed with the freakin' duckface.
 
2014-01-08 05:05:35 PM

Cowboy Spencer: xaks: Tim Tebow

Manziel is better than Tebow.



Which is like saying okra is better than cauliflower.
 
2014-01-08 05:14:44 PM
Manziel is listed at 6'1" and 209 lbs. You can take that with a grain of salt, but even if you put him at 5'11" and 190, that's not much smaller than Mike Vick (to compare him to a QB in roughly the same era who had at least some success).

I think Manziel, whatever his actual height, has a really high ceiling. On the other hand, he's not a sure-fire prospect like Luck or someone like that.
 
2014-01-08 05:15:49 PM

Wadded Beef: Cowboy Spencer: xaks: Tim Tebow

Manziel is better than Tebow.


Which is like saying okra is better than cauliflower.


Um, Cauliflower is AWESOME with cheese sauce.
 
2014-01-08 05:16:18 PM
I see Manziel's NFL career lasting less than one game.  He's going to take off running with that wanna-be Barry Sanders style jukeing, with the ball waiving in the wind two feet from his body, and some run-of-the-mill NFL linebacker (who's better than almost every other linebacker he's played against) is going to hit him so hard he'll explode.  I expect one or more of his limbs to actually separate from his body.

Also, he'll fumble.
 
2014-01-08 05:21:04 PM

Wadded Beef: Cowboy Spencer: xaks: Tim Tebow

Manziel is better than Tebow.


Which is like saying okra is better than cauliflower.


That statement makes no sense as okra is awesome.
 
2014-01-08 05:22:22 PM

Wadded Beef: Cowboy Spencer: xaks: Tim Tebow

Manziel is better than Tebow.


Which is like saying okra is better than cauliflower.


Fried okra is amazing! In everything else, however, both are turrible, just turrible.
 
2014-01-08 05:22:46 PM

Claude the Dog: Manziel is listed at 6'1" and 209 lbs. You can take that with a grain of salt, but even if you put him at 5'11" and 190, that's not much smaller than Mike Vick (to compare him to a QB in roughly the same era who had at least some success).

I think Manziel, whatever his actual height, has a really high ceiling. On the other hand, he's not a sure-fire prospect like Luck or someone like that.


or Leaf
 
2014-01-08 05:23:04 PM

Wadded Beef: Cowboy Spencer: xaks: Tim Tebow

Manziel is better than Tebow.


Which is like saying okra is better than cauliflower.


Ugh, they're both awful. Oh, I get it... As an NFL GM, I'd be wary of Johnny Manziel, but if he fell to late first round, early second, even I would have to take a chance on him. I don't think of him as a top 10 talent.

As a Minnesota guy, if they drafted him, I would be cautiously optimistic.
 
2014-01-08 05:24:14 PM

ValisIV: Wadded Beef: Cowboy Spencer: xaks: Tim Tebow

Manziel is better than Tebow.


Which is like saying okra is better than cauliflower.

Fried okra is amazing! In everything else, however, both are turrible, just turrible.


Okra and tomatoes is great and they also do very well in gumbo.
 
2014-01-08 05:25:44 PM
I like cauliflower.
 
2014-01-08 05:26:42 PM

tulax: some run-of-the-mill NFL linebacker (who's better than almost every other linebacker he's played against)


I think this is the most important part of what you said. He hasn't seen more than a handful of individual players that are as good as entire NFL rosters. There's no telling how he'll respond to that. Chances are good he'll do some learning in camp though. I doubt he'll make it all the way to game 1 without realizing there is a steep talent upgrade at the NFL level. So, while I understand your 1-game career statement, I think it's pretty far off.
 
2014-01-08 05:28:56 PM

Jim from Saint Paul: STOP FIGHTING ABOUT MY FUTURE FAILED QB EVERYONE!
STOP IT!*cries in corner*


...no one's mentioned Derek Carr yet.
 
2014-01-08 05:30:45 PM

timujin: ValisIV: Wadded Beef: Cowboy Spencer: xaks: Tim Tebow

Manziel is better than Tebow.


Which is like saying okra is better than cauliflower.

Fried okra is amazing! In everything else, however, both are turrible, just turrible.

Okra and tomatoes is great and they also do very well in gumbo.


Gumbo is delicious, but the okra is only good to thicken, then you gotta fish it out and toss it, it's too slimy and soggy and yuck.
 
2014-01-08 05:30:58 PM

taxandspend: Wait wait wait... he trademarked "Johnny Football?"


IIRC, his parents did.
 
2014-01-08 05:31:40 PM

This Looks Fun: tulax: some run-of-the-mill NFL linebacker (who's better than almost every other linebacker he's played against)

I think this is the most important part of what you said. He hasn't seen more than a handful of individual players that are as good as entire NFL rosters. There's no telling how he'll respond to that. Chances are good he'll do some learning in camp though. I doubt he'll make it all the way to game 1 without realizing there is a steep talent upgrade at the NFL level. So, while I understand your 1-game career statement, I think it's pretty far off.


Wrong. Nobody under 6'0" and 200 pounds has EVER succeeded in the NFL at any position. The guy is done before he started
 
2014-01-08 05:36:37 PM

Ivandrago: lecavalier: Ivandrago: What is he? 5'10'' and 175lbs? He's going to get crushed the first time he holds on to the ball too long trying to create some of his Johnny Football magic.

Why do people think he is that small?  I am a bartender in a sports bar so I talk about college football a lot and I have never met one person that realizes he is 6'1, 210. And even if you want to call that program weight, then he is 6'0/200. Nobody is even close when guessing how big he is.

Because that's what teams do. South Carolina did it all year with Connor Shaw. Listing him as 6'1 209. It's hard to call someone 6'1 when they're barely two inches taller than the 5'9 running back they're standing next to.


Well on fake height(although this one isnt sports) IMDB has Harrison Ford listed at like 6'1".

Sean Connery and the guy that played Donovan in Last Crusade are both actually 6'2" and like 4" taller than him, and hes only like maybe 2-3" taller than Mark Hammil(Luke Skywalker) who is like 5'8" he should be like 5" taller , so he is like 5'10 " and listed 6'1"
 
2014-01-08 05:40:10 PM

ValisIV: timujin: ValisIV: Wadded Beef: Cowboy Spencer: xaks: Tim Tebow

Manziel is better than Tebow.


Which is like saying okra is better than cauliflower.

Fried okra is amazing! In everything else, however, both are turrible, just turrible.

Okra and tomatoes is great and they also do very well in gumbo.

Gumbo is delicious, but the okra is only good to thicken, then you gotta fish it out and toss it, it's too slimy and soggy and yuck.


I keep hearing this from folks, but I like the flavor and texture.  I don't find it any more "soggy and yuck" than stewed tomatoes.
 
2014-01-08 05:45:36 PM
Roasted cauliflower with garlic is amazing. As noted above, with cheese sauce is excellent as well.

And I don't expect Johnny Footballs' starting tenure to be any longer than Ryan Leafs or' JaWalrus'. Assuming someone is silly enough to grant him the job on draft day regardless.
 
2014-01-08 05:46:17 PM
Wow...look at all of the NFL scouts on Fark today!  /sarcasm

Manziel's success is certainly not guaranteed, but neither is that of any draft pick.  Russell WIlson (5' 11", 210) has been better than RGIII (6'2", 218), with those two picked out as "dual-threat" or mobile QB's.

I'm a Manziel fan, I think he's very entertaining, I don't care a whit what he does in his private life (because it's none of my business), and I think he'll surprise folks at the next level.

For all of those saying he hasn't seen NFL talent:   http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/2216 7 146/nfl-draft-by-conference-sec-doubles-the-competition
 
2014-01-08 05:51:22 PM

HaywoodJablonski: This Looks Fun: Chances are good he'll do some learning in camp though. I doubt he'll make it all the way to game 1 without realizing there is a steep talent upgrade at the NFL level. So, while I understand your 1-game career statement, I think it's pretty far off.

Wrong. Nobody under 6'0" and 200 pounds has EVER succeeded in the NFL at any position. The guy is done before he started


stream1.gifsoup.com
 
2014-01-08 05:55:12 PM
AJ McCarron will drafted by the Pats. He'll sit on the bench for three seasons, replace Tom Brady and Belichick senator palpatine will win three more rings with the new Annakin.
 
2014-01-08 06:05:29 PM

Sol Invicti: For all of those saying he hasn't seen NFL talent:


Yes, everyone drafts them because EVERYONE has deluded themselves into believing that the SEC is tougher than other conferences.

Let's check out the All-Pro defense:

First Team:
DE: Big 10, ACC
DT: Big 12, Big 12 (at the time, now Big 10)
OLB: Not a FBS school, Big 10
ILB: ACC, Big 10
CB: Pac-12, SEC
S: Big 12, SEC

Second Team:
DE: ACC, SEC
DT: Memphis, Temple, Pac-12, Big 12 (at the time, now SEC)
OLB: Big 10, ACC
ILB: Pac-12, SEC
CB: Big 12, SEC, Pac-12
S: MWC (now Pac-12), ACC, Pac-12, Pac-12, ACC, ACC

Doesn't look particularly impressive for the SEC.
 
2014-01-08 06:07:44 PM
I have a feeling he will end up with the eagles
 
2014-01-08 06:13:17 PM

IAmRight: Sol Invicti: For all of those saying he hasn't seen NFL talent:

Yes, everyone drafts them because EVERYONE has deluded themselves into believing that the SEC is tougher than other conferences.

Let's check out the All-Pro defense:

First Team:
DE: Big 10, ACC
DT: Big 12, Big 12 (at the time, now Big 10)
OLB: Not a FBS school, Big 10
ILB: ACC, Big 10
CB: Pac-12, SEC
S: Big 12, SEC

Second Team:
DE: ACC, SEC
DT: Memphis, Temple, Pac-12, Big 12 (at the time, now SEC)
OLB: Big 10, ACC
ILB: Pac-12, SEC
CB: Big 12, SEC, Pac-12
S: MWC (now Pac-12), ACC, Pac-12, Pac-12, ACC, ACC

Doesn't look particularly impressive for the SEC.


Looks like the Big XII probably has about the most on that list, of course before the longhorns went to crap, the SEC stole the Aggies and Mizzou, The B1G stole the Huskers, and the Pac 12 stole Colorado the Big XII was the one giving the SEC a run for its money in dominence.
 
2014-01-08 06:24:34 PM

Oldiron_79: Looks like the Big XII probably has about the most on that list, of course before the longhorns went to crap, the SEC stole the Aggies and Mizzou, The B1G stole the Huskers, and the Pac 12 stole Colorado the Big XII was the one giving the SEC a run for its money in dominence.


And a ton of the Big XII guys were actually Nebraska guys, I just didn't write the "at the time" crap for every one of them.
 
2014-01-08 06:24:56 PM
i.imgur.com
Hope he ends up on a team that has to play against the most beastly of defenses...he'll be like Jay Cutler, where I'll tune in just to watch him get his own ass handed to him.
 
2014-01-08 06:39:23 PM

taxandspend: Oldiron_79: IAmRight: Sol Invicti: For all of those saying he hasn't seen NFL talent:

Yes, everyone drafts them because EVERYONE has deluded themselves into believing that the SEC is tougher than other conferences.

Let's check out the All-Pro defense:

First Team:
DE: Big 10, ACC
DT: Big 12, Big 12 (at the time, now Big 10)
OLB: Not a FBS school, Big 10
ILB: ACC, Big 10
CB: Pac-12, SEC
S: Big 12, SEC

Second Team:
DE: ACC, SEC
DT: Memphis, Temple, Pac-12, Big 12 (at the time, now SEC)
OLB: Big 10, ACC
ILB: Pac-12, SEC
CB: Big 12, SEC, Pac-12
S: MWC (now Pac-12), ACC, Pac-12, Pac-12, ACC, ACC

Doesn't look particularly impressive for the SEC.

Looks like the Big XII probably has about the most on that list, of course before the longhorns went to crap, the SEC stole the Aggies and Mizzou, The B1G stole the Huskers, and the Pac 12 stole Colorado the Big XII was the one giving the SEC a run for its money in dominence.

The Pac 12 "stole" Colorado? We "stole" the 1-8 Conference, 4-8 Overall Colorado? You can have them back. Take Cal while you are at it.


That's the 15-ranked Colorado Buffaloes to you. You're welcome.
/I know, I know...hoops.
//Never thought the basketball program would exceed football for athletic success.
//We like being in the Pac-12 better.
 
2014-01-08 06:45:38 PM

Oldiron_79: IAmRight: Sol Invicti: For all of those saying he hasn't seen NFL talent:

Yes, everyone drafts them because EVERYONE has deluded themselves into believing that the SEC is tougher than other conferences.

Let's check out the All-Pro defense:

First Team:
DE: Big 10, ACC
DT: Big 12, Big 12 (at the time, now Big 10)
OLB: Not a FBS school, Big 10
ILB: ACC, Big 10
CB: Pac-12, SEC
S: Big 12, SEC

Second Team:
DE: ACC, SEC
DT: Memphis, Temple, Pac-12, Big 12 (at the time, now SEC)
OLB: Big 10, ACC
ILB: Pac-12, SEC
CB: Big 12, SEC, Pac-12
S: MWC (now Pac-12), ACC, Pac-12, Pac-12, ACC, ACC

Doesn't look particularly impressive for the SEC.

Looks like the Big XII probably has about the most on that list, of course before the longhorns went to crap, the SEC stole the Aggies and Mizzou, The B1G stole the Huskers, and the Pac 12 stole Colorado the Big XII was the one giving the SEC a run for its money in dominence.


Also there is quite a bit of ACC on that list even though the ACC has been sucking for the last 5 years or so other than FSU this year there was a point a few years back before Miami got hit with sanctions and before FSU had a slump, and while Georgia and Virginia Techs where doing better than now where they was rather big time, of course the last 5 years or so BEFORE this year they have been giving the Big lEast a run for the weakest.
 
2014-01-08 06:50:09 PM
Vikings fan - want Johnny.

Should be more apologies to Spielman for ragging on the trade that brought Patterson to Minny. He's a pro bowler. That was a very smart move. Gotta trust Spielman, he's been drafting very well and now he has full control over the coaching decision for the first time.
 
2014-01-08 06:56:30 PM

SubBass49: [i.imgur.com image 800x276]
Hope he ends up on a team that has to play against the most beastly of defenses...he'll be like Jay Cutler, where I'll tune in just to watch him get his own ass handed to him.


Hey you faked that! You searched douche first, it's in the tab!

The first search listed is 'sophomore', then it's 'douche'.

/he is a douche
//also a sophomore
 
2014-01-08 07:02:34 PM

scottydoesntknow: SubBass49: [i.imgur.com image 800x276]
Hope he ends up on a team that has to play against the most beastly of defenses...he'll be like Jay Cutler, where I'll tune in just to watch him get his own ass handed to him.

Hey you faked that! You searched douche first, it's in the tab!

The first search listed is 'sophomore', then it's 'douche'.

/he is a douche
//also a sophomore


Nope...no fake...not sure why the tab came up that way.  Try searching for Johnny Manziel first...then add in "is a" and see the results for yourself...lol
 
2014-01-08 07:13:11 PM

Oldiron_79: Also there is quite a bit of ACC on that list even though the ACC has been sucking for the last 5 years or so other than FSU this year there was a point a few years back before Miami got hit with sanctions and before FSU had a slump, and while Georgia and Virginia Techs where doing better than now where they was rather big time, of course the last 5 years or so BEFORE this year they have been giving the Big lEast a run for the weakest.


It's almost as though the talent on the field isn't representative of how teams are ranked.

/IIRC none of the ACC players are from FSU
//it's almost like top players don't necessarily come from the top programs
///the Seahawks have the top defense in the NFL - not many SEC players on it, and the ones that are aren't from SEC powerhouses (KJ Wright, Miss. St.; Chris Clemons, Georgia). Couple TAMU guys, but they were from Big XII years, no SEC play at all
 
2014-01-08 07:23:21 PM

IlGreven: fmcgalaxie500: I certainly hope not. Teddy Bridgewater or Blake Bortles

More likely, Manziel will be the next QB to be added to this famous jersey:

[cdn.bleacherreport.net image 599x600]


That's just sad.
 
2014-01-08 07:24:59 PM

justtray: Vikings fan - want Johnny.

Should be more apologies to Spielman for ragging on the trade that brought Patterson to Minny. He's a pro bowler. That was a very smart move. Gotta trust Spielman, he's been drafting very well and now he has full control over the coaching decision for the first time.


Aren't you guys shedding a lot of dead cap space and older players this year too? With an even half-decent QB and coach, they could get dangerous in a hurry.
 
2014-01-08 07:25:11 PM
Basically if you want your blah team to stay a blah team you'll take Johnny Football in the first round. If he gets lucky he'll Eli Manning out in a few years and be able to perform due less to his talent and more to the talent of his receivers...if he's on the right team. With no luck (crap line, or crap WRs and TEs), or being rushed in I see him as a Jay Cutler clone.
 
2014-01-08 07:29:40 PM

justtray: Vikings fan - want Johnny.

Should be more apologies to Spielman for ragging on the trade that brought Patterson to Minny. He's a pro bowler. That was a very smart move. Gotta trust Spielman, he's been drafting very well and now he has full control over the coaching decision for the first time.


And in his last season as a football player, one center played so badly that his team, in contention for the division and legitimate post-season aspirations, benched him in favor of a second year walk-on second stringer....who was undreafted, by the way....and who had never started an NFL game at center before.

The center, forced to ride the pine for the second half of the year, barely put on a helmet after that, and retired. After playing in Hawaii as a first-team pro-bowler.

You might have heard of him. His name is Jeff Saturday.

Don't get too proud of 'Pro Bowler'. I aint' sayin the kid ain't any good...he is. But don't get too hyped up about pro bowls just yet, mm'kay?
 
2014-01-08 07:41:50 PM
RumsfeldsReplacement:

Just stop it Subby, we all know the Browns will draft Manziel and it will be hilarious.

headoftheheard.files.wordpress.com


/ ... please ?
 
2014-01-08 07:42:27 PM

xaks: Don't get too proud of 'Pro Bowler'. I aint' sayin the kid ain't any good...he is. But don't get too hyped up about pro bowls just yet, mm'kay?


Pretty sure Patterson didn't earn it based on his many years of service or his reputation, like Saturday.
 
2014-01-08 07:46:38 PM
Undersized primadona whiner with two years NCAA experience?

Yeah, you go on and draft that.
 
2014-01-08 07:51:08 PM

IAmRight: xaks: Don't get too proud of 'Pro Bowler'. I aint' sayin the kid ain't any good...he is. But don't get too hyped up about pro bowls just yet, mm'kay?

Pretty sure Patterson didn't earn it based on his many years of service or his reputation, like Saturday.


I ain't sayin' he did.

But the kid's been in the league exactly one season, and he touched the ball a total of...what, 20 times? 30?

Don't start suckin' his dick just yet.
 
2014-01-08 07:52:57 PM

Cowboy Spencer: xaks: Tim Tebow

Tebow's best passing season:  3286 yards (66.9%), 32 TDs.
Manziel's best passing season:  4114 yards (69.9%), 37 TDs.

Tebow's best rushing season:  910 yards (4.3 ypc), 14 TDs
Manziel's best rushing season:  1410 yards (7.0 ypc),  21 TDs

Manziel is better than Tebow.


Tebow lost 7 career games in 4 seasons, 6 in the three seasons where he was the full-time starter.  Manziel lost 6 in two seasons.  Tebow was a starter for a team that won both the SEC and National Championship.  And I notice that you left off the season where Tebow rushed for 895 yds and 23 TDs.  I'd say that the 9 additional TDs outweighs the 15 additional yards - and should we talk about turnovers?  How about attempts?  Because both Tebow and Winston had higher YPA.  So maybe Manziel had more yardage and slightly more TDs (although Winston flat-out had more TDs) but the other QBs were simply more efficient with what they were asked to do.  The bottom line is that Tebow was a winner and Manziel is not.  Winston is a winner and Manziel is not.

We get it, you like stats so long as you can cherrypick them.  Will you at least retract your claim that Manziel was one of the best college football players of all time for the ridiculous hyperbole that it was?
 
2014-01-08 08:29:06 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: Cowboy Spencer: xaks: Tim Tebow

Tebow's best passing season:  3286 yards (66.9%), 32 TDs.
Manziel's best passing season:  4114 yards (69.9%), 37 TDs.

Tebow's best rushing season:  910 yards (4.3 ypc), 14 TDs
Manziel's best rushing season:  1410 yards (7.0 ypc),  21 TDs

Manziel is better than Tebow.

Tebow lost 7 career games in 4 seasons, 6 in the three seasons where he was the full-time starter.  Manziel lost 6 in two seasons.  Tebow was a starter for a team that won both the SEC and National Championship.  And I notice that you left off the season where Tebow rushed for 895 yds and 23 TDs.  I'd say that the 9 additional TDs outweighs the 15 additional yards - and should we talk about turnovers?  How about attempts?  Because both Tebow and Winston had higher YPA.  So maybe Manziel had more yardage and slightly more TDs (although Winston flat-out had more TDs) but the other QBs were simply more efficient with what they were asked to do.  The bottom line is that Tebow was a winner and Manziel is not.  Winston is a winner and Manziel is not.

We get it, you like stats so long as you can cherrypick them.  Will you at least retract your claim that Manziel was one of the best college football players of all time for the ridiculous hyperbole that it was?


Tebow was a much better defender, obviously
 
2014-01-08 08:43:11 PM

HaywoodJablonski: AdmirableSnackbar: Cowboy Spencer: xaks: Tim Tebow

Tebow's best passing season:  3286 yards (66.9%), 32 TDs.
Manziel's best passing season:  4114 yards (69.9%), 37 TDs.

Tebow's best rushing season:  910 yards (4.3 ypc), 14 TDs
Manziel's best rushing season:  1410 yards (7.0 ypc),  21 TDs

Manziel is better than Tebow.

Tebow lost 7 career games in 4 seasons, 6 in the three seasons where he was the full-time starter.  Manziel lost 6 in two seasons.  Tebow was a starter for a team that won both the SEC and National Championship.  And I notice that you left off the season where Tebow rushed for 895 yds and 23 TDs.  I'd say that the 9 additional TDs outweighs the 15 additional yards - and should we talk about turnovers?  How about attempts?  Because both Tebow and Winston had higher YPA.  So maybe Manziel had more yardage and slightly more TDs (although Winston flat-out had more TDs) but the other QBs were simply more efficient with what they were asked to do.  The bottom line is that Tebow was a winner and Manziel is not.  Winston is a winner and Manziel is not.

We get it, you like stats so long as you can cherrypick them.  Will you at least retract your claim that Manziel was one of the best college football players of all time for the ridiculous hyperbole that it was?

Tebow was a much better defender, obviously


So that's why he was a much more efficient QB than Manziel?
 
2014-01-08 09:00:32 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: HaywoodJablonski: AdmirableSnackbar: Cowboy Spencer: xaks: Tim Tebow

Tebow's best passing season:  3286 yards (66.9%), 32 TDs.
Manziel's best passing season:  4114 yards (69.9%), 37 TDs.

Tebow's best rushing season:  910 yards (4.3 ypc), 14 TDs
Manziel's best rushing season:  1410 yards (7.0 ypc),  21 TDs

Manziel is better than Tebow.

Tebow lost 7 career games in 4 seasons, 6 in the three seasons where he was the full-time starter.  Manziel lost 6 in two seasons.  Tebow was a starter for a team that won both the SEC and National Championship.  And I notice that you left off the season where Tebow rushed for 895 yds and 23 TDs.  I'd say that the 9 additional TDs outweighs the 15 additional yards - and should we talk about turnovers?  How about attempts?  Because both Tebow and Winston had higher YPA.  So maybe Manziel had more yardage and slightly more TDs (although Winston flat-out had more TDs) but the other QBs were simply more efficient with what they were asked to do.  The bottom line is that Tebow was a winner and Manziel is not.  Winston is a winner and Manziel is not.

We get it, you like stats so long as you can cherrypick them.  Will you at least retract your claim that Manziel was one of the best college football players of all time for the ridiculous hyperbole that it was?

Tebow was a much better defender, obviously

So that's why he was a much more efficient QB than Manziel?


No, the reason for that is Tebow was a run-first, run-second, throw-third quarterback who didn't take any risks because he didn't have to thanks to his excellent defense.
 
2014-01-08 09:28:26 PM

HaywoodJablonski: AdmirableSnackbar: HaywoodJablonski: AdmirableSnackbar: Cowboy Spencer: xaks: Tim Tebow

Tebow's best passing season:  3286 yards (66.9%), 32 TDs.
Manziel's best passing season:  4114 yards (69.9%), 37 TDs.

Tebow's best rushing season:  910 yards (4.3 ypc), 14 TDs
Manziel's best rushing season:  1410 yards (7.0 ypc),  21 TDs

Manziel is better than Tebow.

Tebow lost 7 career games in 4 seasons, 6 in the three seasons where he was the full-time starter.  Manziel lost 6 in two seasons.  Tebow was a starter for a team that won both the SEC and National Championship.  And I notice that you left off the season where Tebow rushed for 895 yds and 23 TDs.  I'd say that the 9 additional TDs outweighs the 15 additional yards - and should we talk about turnovers?  How about attempts?  Because both Tebow and Winston had higher YPA.  So maybe Manziel had more yardage and slightly more TDs (although Winston flat-out had more TDs) but the other QBs were simply more efficient with what they were asked to do.  The bottom line is that Tebow was a winner and Manziel is not.  Winston is a winner and Manziel is not.

We get it, you like stats so long as you can cherrypick them.  Will you at least retract your claim that Manziel was one of the best college football players of all time for the ridiculous hyperbole that it was?

Tebow was a much better defender, obviously

So that's why he was a much more efficient QB than Manziel?

No, the reason for that is Tebow was a run-first, run-second, throw-third quarterback who didn't take any risks because he didn't have to thanks to his excellent defense.


So then what's the justification for Manziel being better?  He doesn't have the big arm, he doesn't have the efficiency as a passer, he doesn't have the wins, he might be a better runner but you discount that here.  So why is this even an argument?

And are you in agreement with the Aggie that Manziel is one of the greatest college football players of all time?   Because I still haven't seen an ounce of justification for that.
 
2014-01-08 09:37:54 PM
Johnny football needs to repeat this name over and over for the next three months.

Brian Bosworth.

Over and over.
 
2014-01-08 10:02:27 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: The bottom line is that Tebow was a winner and Manziel is not.  Winston is a winner and Manziel is not.


Stupid statement.  Tebow didn't play defense, neither did Winston.  Neither did Manziel.  TAMU's defense was 104th in the nation.  The only reason they won any games at all is because of how amazing Manziel played.  I think what you meant to say was "Winston played on a winning team."

Let's put Tebow aside.  Manziel was better this season than Winston against a tougher schedule.  Look at the apples to apples comparison with Auburn.

I don't think you've actually seen Manziel play, or looked at their relative statistics.  Here comes the numbers, and you're not going to like how they demolish your argument that Winston played better this season than Manziel.

This season, prior to bowl games.

Manziel:  69.1% passing, 3732 yards (9.54 ypa), 33TD /13INT, 686 yards rushing (5.2 ypr), 8 TD.  4418 total yards, 41 total touchdowns, 3.42 touchdowns per game total.  SOS:  22.7 (1 being the highest)

Winston:  67.9% passing, 3820 yards (10.9 ypa), 38TD/10INT, 193 yards rushing (2.5 ypr), 4 td.  4013 total yards, 42 total touchdowns, 3.23 touchdowns per game total.  SOS:  46.7 (1 being the highest).

These stats are more in favor of Manziel after the bowl games.
 
2014-01-08 10:10:45 PM
Now we'll talk about Tebow.

I'm really curious why you think Tebow is better than Manziel.

Tebow's highest completion percentage was 67.8, his senior year.  Manziel's lowest was 68.0.

Manziel had 63 passing TDs in 2 years, Tebow had 88 passing TDs in 4 years (one of which he wasn't a starter).

Career ypa:  Tebow 9.3, Manziel 9.1.

Career ypr:  Tebow 4.3, Manziel 6.3.

Tebow was one of the best players ever to play NCAAF.  Manziel is as good in most categories, and better in many.
 
2014-01-08 10:35:43 PM

Cowboy Spencer: Now we'll talk about Tebow.

I'm really curious why you think Tebow is better than Manziel.

Tebow's highest completion percentage was 67.8, his senior year.  Manziel's lowest was 68.0.

Manziel had 63 passing TDs in 2 years, Tebow had 88 passing TDs in 4 years (one of which he wasn't a starter).

Career ypa:  Tebow 9.3, Manziel 9.1.

Career ypr:  Tebow 4.3, Manziel 6.3.

Tebow was one of the best players ever to play NCAAF.  Manziel is as good in most categories, and better in many.


I think the salient point to make is....Teblow was a stats god and so overhyped it ain't even funny...and he was reach-drafted in the first round. Anyone that ISN'T  a jesus freak or a one-team homer can watch his tape and realize he's actually a piss-poor NFL QB.

And then, you look at Manzeil, his numbers and playing style, and go..."Oh shiat, he's ... a slightly better runner and a slightly better passer *than Tebow*."

And, with that, the elevator light-bulb DING goes off in your head and realize how bad it *could* go for him in the NFL. And you start offering Jobu really good rum to make him block your teams' GM from even being aware of the NAME Manziel during March of this year.
 
2014-01-08 10:44:42 PM

xaks: Anyone that ISN'T  a jesus freak or a one-team homer can watch his tape and realize he's actually a piss-poor NFL QB.


Uh ... I never said he would be a good NFL QB.  I have no idea.
 
2014-01-08 10:51:31 PM

Cowboy Spencer: xaks: Anyone that ISN'T  a jesus freak or a one-team homer can watch his tape and realize he's actually a piss-poor NFL QB.

Uh ... I never said he would be a good NFL QB.  I have no idea.


Wait, what? I wasn't referring to anyone in particular. The only people I know that defend Teblow as an NFL QB are jesus freaks and fanbois. They are who I was referring to.

I apologize heartily if you think I was calling you out. I did NOT intend that. I was simply making a comparison to Teblow and the mega-hype leading up to Manziel and masturbatory *ZOMG NCAA RECORDS* that some people are frothing over when comparing them.
 
2014-01-08 11:00:38 PM
All good, sorry!

Tebow would have made a great tight end ... it's a shame he wasn't willing to consider it.
 
2014-01-08 11:08:22 PM

Cowboy Spencer: All good, sorry!

Tebow would have made a great tight end ... it's a shame he wasn't willing to consider it.


Or maybe fullback, a'la Kuhn or crossover like Kleinsasser in Minney
 
2014-01-08 11:12:42 PM

Ivandrago: lecavalier: And we agree on this one. He'll obviously have to tame his Johnny Football act because defensive ends at the NFL level aren't going to fall for his pirouettes every time like they do at this level (but, once every other week, he will Johnny Football some poor defender; much to our enjoyment).

I'm okay with him Johnny Footballing every other week if I get to watch him get levelled on a consistent basis by 180lb CB's and 220lb SS's.


What he's going to discover upon reaching the NFL is that there are 6'4", 265 lb. OLBs that can catch his ass. That's a discovery that's going to hurt.
 
2014-01-08 11:24:41 PM

HaywoodJablonski: No, the reason for that is Tebow was a run-first, run-second, throw-third quarterback who didn't take any risks because he didn't have to thanks to his excellent defense.


Similarly, Manziel got to take as many risks as he wanted and had a nice life because his team had a great offensive line and targets and no defense, so they always needed to score and he never came out of games.

/he also threw 50 more times than Winston despite being suspended for a half against Rice
//both of them seem like they deserve to have to play for the Browns
 
2014-01-08 11:28:53 PM

taxandspend: Oldiron_79: IAmRight: Sol Invicti: For all of those saying he hasn't seen NFL talent:

Yes, everyone drafts them because EVERYONE has deluded themselves into believing that the SEC is tougher than other conferences.

Let's check out the All-Pro defense:

First Team:
DE: Big 10, ACC
DT: Big 12, Big 12 (at the time, now Big 10)
OLB: Not a FBS school, Big 10
ILB: ACC, Big 10
CB: Pac-12, SEC
S: Big 12, SEC

Second Team:
DE: ACC, SEC
DT: Memphis, Temple, Pac-12, Big 12 (at the time, now SEC)
OLB: Big 10, ACC
ILB: Pac-12, SEC
CB: Big 12, SEC, Pac-12
S: MWC (now Pac-12), ACC, Pac-12, Pac-12, ACC, ACC

Doesn't look particularly impressive for the SEC.

Looks like the Big XII probably has about the most on that list, of course before the longhorns went to crap, the SEC stole the Aggies and Mizzou, The B1G stole the Huskers, and the Pac 12 stole Colorado the Big XII was the one giving the SEC a run for its money in dominence.

The Pac 12 "stole" Colorado? We "stole" the 1-8 Conference, 4-8 Overall Colorado? You can have them back. Take Cal while you are at it.


Keep Cal. You need more Vandys than the SEC.
 
2014-01-09 02:13:13 AM

xaks: Cowboy Spencer: Now we'll talk about Tebow.

I'm really curious why you think Tebow is better than Manziel.

Tebow's highest completion percentage was 67.8, his senior year.  Manziel's lowest was 68.0.

Manziel had 63 passing TDs in 2 years, Tebow had 88 passing TDs in 4 years (one of which he wasn't a starter).

Career ypa:  Tebow 9.3, Manziel 9.1.

Career ypr:  Tebow 4.3, Manziel 6.3.

Tebow was one of the best players ever to play NCAAF.  Manziel is as good in most categories, and better in many.

I think the salient point to make is....Teblow was a stats god and so overhyped it ain't even funny...and he was reach-drafted in the first round. Anyone that ISN'T  a jesus freak or a one-team homer can watch his tape and realize he's actually a piss-poor NFL QB.

And then, you look at Manzeil, his numbers and playing style, and go..."Oh shiat, he's ... a slightly better runner and a slightly better passer *than Tebow*."

And, with that, the elevator light-bulb DING goes off in your head and realize how bad it *could* go for him in the NFL. And you start offering Jobu really good rum to make him block your teams' GM from even being aware of the NAME Manziel during March of this year.


If you have to rebuild your team around the way a quaterback plays you're probably making a poor decision in taking him on *cough cough Broncos*.
 
2014-01-09 03:24:57 AM

timujin: IAmRight: timujin: I grew up in Texas and Tennessee and that never happened once.  Not one time.  I've heard on Fark that "people in the South call all sodas Coke"

In fairness, those are fringe-South states and I'm sure with the ubiquity of TV, regional things like that are dying out.

I'm old... not "before the advent of television" old, but old enough that if this was an actual thing I should have encountered it sometime in the last few decades.  What I have encountered is that they don't call them soda or pop, but by whatever name is given.  So Coke is Coke, Diet Coke is Diet Coke, Dr. Pepper is Dr. Pepper and so on.


I ordered a Coke in Texas once in my entire life, when I was on vacation last year, and they asked what kind I wanted.
 
2014-01-09 05:02:49 AM

Ivandrago: The Stealth Hippopotamus: lecavalier: Why do people think he is that small? I am a bartender in a sports bar so I talk about college football a lot and I have never met one person that realizes he is 6'1, 210. And even if you want to call that program weight, then he is 6'0/200. Nobody is even close when guessing how big he is.

That's because he is standing next to giants. For some reason people think they are as large as the line men there for the running backs and QB are shorter than they are.

I don't know why but it is something I've noticed

I'm sure he'll get an invite to the combine. We'll just have to wait and see how he measures up. I remember we used to say Alshon Jeffery was 6'4. At the combine he didn't even make it to 6'3.


Manziel won't go to the Combine, he'll show off his talents at his Pro day, and that's it.
 
2014-01-09 05:41:36 AM
Why isn't anyone guessing that Jerreh Joynes will trade up to draft him?
 
2014-01-09 06:29:12 AM

Polish Brainiac: Why isn't anyone guessing that Jerreh Joynes will trade up to draft him?


I think Jerry is still enamored by The Romo. I figure Romo still has another season before Jones would even consider replacing him.
 
2014-01-09 07:18:11 AM

Cowboy Spencer: I don't think you've actually seen Manziel play, or looked at their relative statistics


I've done both and I'm not impressed.  I'm still waiting for you to back up your claim that Manziel is one of the best college football players of all time.

Let's put it this way: what does Manziel bring to the table that we haven't seen before?  He doesn't have a big arm, or even a strong arm.  He's mobile, but he doesn't have great speed or size so he's not running past or over defenders the way others have done. There isn't one aspect of his game that we have never seen done much better by many other QBs.  He put up great stats, but stats are meaningless without championship hardware to back it up.  So what exactly makes him great other than he was kind of fun to watch?
 
2014-01-09 07:42:17 AM

AdmirableSnackbar: Cowboy Spencer: I don't think you've actually seen Manziel play, or looked at their relative statistics

I've done both and I'm not impressed.  I'm still waiting for you to back up your claim that Manziel is one of the best college football players of all time.

Let's put it this way: what does Manziel bring to the table that we haven't seen before?  He doesn't have a big arm, or even a strong arm.  He's mobile, but he doesn't have great speed or size so he's not running past or over defenders the way others have done. There isn't one aspect of his game that we have never seen done much better by many other QBs.  He put up great stats, but stats are meaningless without championship hardware to back it up.  So what exactly makes him great other than he was kind of fun to watch?


He beat Alabama, when no one thought TAM had a chance. Other than that, he's just an AW with a drinking problem.
 
2014-01-09 09:45:02 AM

AdmirableSnackbar: He put up great stats, but stats are meaningless without championship hardware to back it up.


This is the problem.

You think a player has to win championships to be great.

I think that is absurd.

When a player hangs 1000 yards and 10 touchdowns on two of the best teams in the nation ... that pretty much covers it.  When the player is the fastest to reach 7000 total yards, that pretty much covers it.  When the player is so good he can overcome the "freshman can't win the Heisman" thing, that pretty much covers it.
 
2014-01-09 09:53:57 AM
Why is everyone so high on Teddy Bridgewater?  He couldn't carry Louisville in the terrible Big East. Manziel carried the aggies to a lot of wins thanks to their awful defense.  And he is a leader.  Yeah he acts like a douche sometimes, but anyone that watched that Duke bowl game can't say they didn't see him get in the face of the offense and defense and get them to start playing.

My choice would be Bortles but I don't have an issue with Manziel either.  I think he makes some bad throws and he's always looking for the deep ball, but I have never seen anyone be as accurate as he is on the deep throws.  He almost always hits his guys in stride on deep throws.  He needs to do a better job taking the short ones when they are there but I think he can learn.  He is only 22.

Bridgewater may be more polished but I think he's already reached his max potential and he's not much bigger than Manziel. They have similar frame sizes but Manziel has more ability to escape as long as he learns to get down and avoid contact.  Kapernick has learned, I don't see why he won't be able to.  If you want size then you have to take Bortles over both.  He's your prototypical 6'-5" 230 lb QB but he can run. Ask Baylor.

walterfootball.com

bloguin.com
 
2014-01-09 10:47:10 AM

k4mi: Why is everyone so high on Teddy Bridgewater?  He couldn't carry Louisville in the terrible Big East. Manziel carried the aggies to a lot of wins thanks to their awful defense.  And he is a leader.  Yeah he acts like a douche sometimes, but anyone that watched that Duke bowl game can't say they didn't see him get in the face of the offense and defense and get them to start playing.

My choice would be Bortles but I don't have an issue with Manziel either.  I think he makes some bad throws and he's always looking for the deep ball, but I have never seen anyone be as accurate as he is on the deep throws.  He almost always hits his guys in stride on deep throws.  He needs to do a better job taking the short ones when they are there but I think he can learn.  He is only 22.

Bridgewater may be more polished but I think he's already reached his max potential and he's not much bigger than Manziel. They have similar frame sizes but Manziel has more ability to escape as long as he learns to get down and avoid contact.  Kapernick has learned, I don't see why he won't be able to.  If you want size then you have to take Bortles over both.  He's your prototypical 6'-5" 230 lb QB but he can run. Ask Baylor.

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This was the thinking that resulted in the 49ers drafting Alex Smith ahead of Aaron Rodgers. It's bullshiat. Always take the guy with the fewest obvious holes in his game, because "potential" tends to stay potential.
 
2014-01-09 10:47:44 AM

Cowboy Spencer: AdmirableSnackbar: He put up great stats, but stats are meaningless without championship hardware to back it up.

This is the problem.

You think a player has to win championships to be great.

I think that is absurd.

When a player hangs 1000 yards and 10 touchdowns on two of the best teams in the nation ... that pretty much covers it.  When the player is the fastest to reach 7000 total yards, that pretty much covers it.  When the player is so good he can overcome the "freshman can't win the Heisman" thing, that pretty much covers it.


On the contrary, you believe that stats and stats alone - but only certain stats that you cherrypick - make a player great.  Stat whores come and go, great players do more than help win fantasy football games.  As I said earlier, by your metrics Matthew Stafford would be one of the best NFL QBs of all time.

It is painfully clear that you can't answer my questions and won't even attempt to back up your own statement that I have asked you repeatedly in this thread to support.  Not going to bother with you on this anymore, you're stuck on homer mode here.
 
2014-01-09 12:43:16 PM

Cowboy Spencer: When the player is so good he can overcome the "freshman can't win the Heisman" thing, that pretty much covers it.


Dude, that's not a big deal. Movement has trended toward underclassmen in the voting for years before Manziel. Sophomores used to never win it either until Tebow. Hell, Ingram won it and he's not even good. Just had a great line at Alabama. Kinda like Manziel had an awesome line at A&M.
 
2014-01-09 01:55:38 PM

forgotmydamnusername: k4mi: Why is everyone so high on Teddy Bridgewater?  He couldn't carry Louisville in the terrible Big East. Manziel carried the aggies to a lot of wins thanks to their awful defense.  And he is a leader.  Yeah he acts like a douche sometimes, but anyone that watched that Duke bowl game can't say they didn't see him get in the face of the offense and defense and get them to start playing.

My choice would be Bortles but I don't have an issue with Manziel either.  I think he makes some bad throws and he's always looking for the deep ball, but I have never seen anyone be as accurate as he is on the deep throws.  He almost always hits his guys in stride on deep throws.  He needs to do a better job taking the short ones when they are there but I think he can learn.  He is only 22.

Bridgewater may be more polished but I think he's already reached his max potential and he's not much bigger than Manziel. They have similar frame sizes but Manziel has more ability to escape as long as he learns to get down and avoid contact.  Kapernick has learned, I don't see why he won't be able to.  If you want size then you have to take Bortles over both.  He's your prototypical 6'-5" 230 lb QB but he can run. Ask Baylor.

[walterfootball.com image 779x1024]

[bloguin.com image 850x637]

This was the thinking that resulted in the 49ers drafting Alex Smith ahead of Aaron Rodgers. It's bullshiat. Always take the guy with the fewest obvious holes in his game, because "potential" tends to stay potential.


How did Bridgewater not carry his team? He led them to a 10-1 record, the only loss coming because the defense played like shiat that day. And what holes does he have in his game? He had a better completion percentage than Manziel or Winston and he had way less interceptions than either one of them. He had a 144 less yards passing than Manziel, which isn't much. It shows that he is the more accurate passer.
 
2014-01-09 02:51:38 PM
First, whoever said Tebow is better than Manziel is freaking insane. Johnny may not translate to the NFL, but he's WAY better than Tebow was. Given what I saw in their bowl game, he's arguably a better leader (because, quite honestly, Tebow's leadership seemed as manufactured as his football talent).

Cowboy Spencer: So this is why Manziel had 454 yards, 4 passing TDs and 1 rushing TD against Auburn while Winston had 237 yards, 2 passing TDs, and no rushing TDs?


Who won those games? And, all things considered, a number of teams/players have lesser stats in bowl games.

Cowboy Spencer: That's why the 4 of the 5 best defenses since 2008 were SEC teams?


You should read a book called "How to Lie with Statistics." You may learn something from it.

That goes to ANYONE who uses the word "best" when discussing any sort of college football statistical category (really, you may as well include MNCs on that list, because aside from a few seasons like USC/Texas and Miami/tOSU, there have clearly been some shenanigans when selecting the MNC contenders).

Oh, and congrats on having two more total teams, a much more home-friendly bowl environment, and being able to simply muster one more win (and the same number of losses) in bowl games as the Pac12 (and that's entirely thanks to Mike Leach... whose team almost beat Auburn this year, which would've... oh, right, resulted in another SEC team playing FSU [see my previous point about shenanigans]). And how kind of you for making the Sun Belt feel good by having the best winning percentage in bowl games, because I know the SEC just wanted their little brudders to have a moment in the sun.
 
2014-01-09 02:54:45 PM

This Looks Fun: I think this is the most important part of what you said. He hasn't seen more than a handful of individual players that are as good as entire NFL rosters. There's no telling how he'll respond to that. Chances are good he'll do some learning in camp though. I doubt he'll make it all the way to game 1 without realizing there is a steep talent upgrade at the NFL level. So, while I understand your 1-game career statement, I think it's pretty far off.


And, sadly, he never had to play Clowney, who is clearly better than any defensive player in the NFL.
 
2014-01-09 02:59:06 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: So then what's the justification for Manziel being better?


The animal sense we call "vision"?
 
2014-01-09 03:12:41 PM

Cowboy Spencer: Tebow would have made a great tight end


xaks: Or maybe fullback, a'la Kuhn or crossover like Kleinsasser in Minney


I actually think this statement is complete bullshiat, and I don't know why people repeat it (whether they love, hate, or are indifferent toward the man).

Tebow is a big guy and SOMEWHAT athletic for his size (this is not a freak of nature like Julius Peppers, Adalius Thomas, or Von Miller). Did he, at some point, show off incredible hands, interior QUICKNESS, or blocking skills? Was he really that tall/long/strong, that he could have battled defenders off? Did he do much in space in the NFL against anyone other than d-linemen? I mean, I can see him running over some defensive backs, but do I see him outplaying a bunch of NFL linebackers who are often larger AND faster AND quicker than he is?
 
2014-01-09 03:19:53 PM

k4mi: Bridgewater may be more polished but I think he's already reached his max potential and he's not much bigger than Manziel. They have similar frame sizes but Manziel has more ability to escape as long as he learns to get down and avoid contact. Kapernick has learned, I don't see why he won't be able to. If you want size then you have to take Bortles over both. He's your prototypical 6'-5" 230 lb QB but he can run. Ask Baylor.


Bridgewater has shown NFL-level touch and accuracy on many occasions, which is something many NFL quarterbacks can't even do. There are guys who (exaggerating for emphasis) look like they could throw a pass over Shaquille O'Neal to someone who is about ten feet away, and he's one of them. He actually reminds me a lot of Russell Wilson in that regard, though because he's not as small will get the draft consideration he deserves.

He's also probably as good at reading a defense as any quarterback to come out in the last few years (in my opinion, better than Luck when he came out, though I think Luck knew how to operate an offense better than Bridgewater does at this point).
 
2014-01-09 03:35:52 PM

AdmirableSnackbar: As I said earlier, by your metrics Matthew Stafford would be one of the best NFL QBs of all time.


If Manziel had been tossing 20 interceptions a season, I doubt ANYONE would be praising him like that (actually, going by typical TD:INT ratio, the number would have to be closer to 25 this season for Manziel). Nor would they if he'd been completing under 60% of his passes.

While I won't step into the debate about whether Manziel deserves a place on GOAT mountain with some other legendary college QBs, I'll try to create a baseball analogy: you seem to be implying that Cowboy is only looking at W-L,innings pitched, and strikeouts, when it seems that he's also obviously considering ERA, WHIP and ERA+.

And quite honestly, Stafford's probably "lost" more games than he's "won," and I definitely can't say that about Manziel.
 
2014-01-09 09:17:49 PM

puffy999: Cowboy Spencer: Tebow would have made a great tight end

xaks: Or maybe fullback, a'la Kuhn or crossover like Kleinsasser in Minney

I actually think this statement is complete bullshiat, and I don't know why people repeat it (whether they love, hate, or are indifferent toward the man).

Tebow is a big guy and SOMEWHAT athletic for his size (this is not a freak of nature like Julius Peppers, Adalius Thomas, or Von Miller). Did he, at some point, show off incredible hands, interior QUICKNESS, or blocking skills? Was he really that tall/long/strong, that he could have battled defenders off? Did he do much in space in the NFL against anyone other than d-linemen? I mean, I can see him running over some defensive backs, but do I see him outplaying a bunch of NFL linebackers who are often larger AND faster AND quicker than he is?


Didn't have the fluidity or length you'd like for TE. Fullback may have been a possibility, but not tight end. He certainly had the bulk and strength for that, and maybe just barely sufficient speed. Michael Robinson was converted from QB to FB with some success. I can imagine Tebow grabbing a shovel pass, or a little dumpoff out of the backfield. Hardly a sure thing, though. There's footage of him trying to execute a gadget play, where he ran a route as a receiver, and it isn't pretty.
 
2014-01-09 10:47:36 PM

forgotmydamnusername: Hardly a sure thing, though. There's footage of him trying to execute a gadget play, where he ran a route as a receiver, and it isn't pretty.


Hardly a sure thing AND the fullback position is being schemed out of the NFL for the most part. Too easy to pass to bother with power running.
 
2014-01-10 12:22:20 AM

IAmRight: forgotmydamnusername: Hardly a sure thing, though. There's footage of him trying to execute a gadget play, where he ran a route as a receiver, and it isn't pretty.

Hardly a sure thing AND the fullback position is being schemed out of the NFL for the most part. Too easy to pass to bother with power running.


This.

And it is so sad that it is. A lot of teams would see a big up in their running game if they reintroduced a lead blocker to their running game.

But a far as Tebow as a TE or FB, I don't know. He has to know how to block, that is a major part of those two positions. Can he learn to block? I don't know, it isn't as easy as people think.
 
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