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(Des Moines Register)   Today's Crisis in the Midwest: The Iowa State Fair will eliminate cash sales at food vendors and make everyone use a prepaid ticket system. "Similar to theft but with funnel cakes"   (desmoinesregister.com ) divider line
    More: Scary, Iowa State Fair, state fair, funnel cakes, food vendors, Lyle Kreps, West Des Moines  
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2014-01-08 01:48:32 PM  
8 votes:
There are a large number of benefits to switching to a ticket system, none of which benefit the customer.
2014-01-08 01:48:56 PM  
5 votes:

FrancoFile: Sybarite: How are you supposed to know in advance how much deep fried crap you can shovel down your gullet until explosive diarrhea sets in? That number can vary vastly over a lifetime.

Never fear.  There will be ticket purchase booths scattered everywhere.

Lots of wine & beer festivals do the same thing.


The last Oktoberfest I went to did this, and I hated it.  Was walking around and saw some vendors with food and no line, but didn't have tickets on me, so I didn't get any.  Later, wanted a beer, while I'm standing right next to a beer vendor, but I can't get one because I don't have a ticket.  So, I find a ticket booth, but they have no listing of what food costs at them, so I have no idea how many I need... get $10 worth, and get a brat and pretzel, but find I don't have enough for a beer to.  Get $1 in tickets for a beer so I can get my beer, but now my brat is cold.

At this point I'm a bit soured, and don't feel like waiting in the ticket line again, so I don't buy anything else.  If I could have paid cash, I'd probably have bought twice as much, but I have no desire to guess ahead of time how hungry/thirsty I'm going to be and get tickets, and find I'm either short, or way over and stuck with non-refundable tickets.

Now... if a fair uses tickets for food, I just don't go.
2014-01-08 01:41:08 PM  
4 votes:
Because the min. wage food vendor/methheads steal cash.
That's why.
2014-01-08 01:53:13 PM  
3 votes:
was re-looking at the article and found this gem:   "None of us like change, but once people experience it and see the convenience, they'll buy into it,"

now help me understand the convenience of standing in line A to purchase tickets, then standing in line B to acquire food....wouldn't it be more convenient to standing in 1 line and simply purchase the food?

Adding additional steps is not "convenience".
2014-01-08 01:44:46 PM  
3 votes:

pute kisses like a man: FrancoFile: Sybarite: How are you supposed to know in advance how much deep fried crap you can shovel down your gullet until explosive diarrhea sets in? That number can vary vastly over a lifetime.

Never fear.  There will be ticket purchase booths scattered everywhere.

Lots of wine & beer festivals do the same thing.

I'm sure there's a legal reason for this. But us there a business reason? Are sales better or worse with tickets?


Lots of festivals get a cut of the sales or a flat rate (which ever ends up being more) so vendors will under report sales to pay a smaller cut.

With tickets, vendors have to turn them in to get their money at the end of the day.
2014-01-08 01:44:00 PM  
3 votes:

pute kisses like a man: FrancoFile: Sybarite: How are you supposed to know in advance how much deep fried crap you can shovel down your gullet until explosive diarrhea sets in? That number can vary vastly over a lifetime.

Never fear.  There will be ticket purchase booths scattered everywhere.

Lots of wine & beer festivals do the same thing.

I'm sure there's a legal reason for this. But us there a business reason? Are sales better or worse with tickets?


Better.  People leave with unused tickets.  And by setting a ticket at $2 you mask the actual price so there isn't as much sticker shock.
2014-01-08 02:24:32 PM  
2 votes:
I HATE the ticket system. Gay Pride in Phoenix 2001... now known as Gay Shame: Friends of mine had come up from UofA in Tucson and we had each bought at least $30 in tickets for beer. We had already paid $10 for admission, so we're already $40 in the hole (tee-hee.)

About 20 minutes in, a microburst comes out of nowhere and blows shiat all over the place. Tent and canopy stakes were yanked out of the ground and sent across the park, tables were overturned. I was at the dance canopy behind one of the DJs, holding on to a pole, like a stripper, trying to keep it from blowing away. Had to let go. The microburst totally devastated the events, and it was then I knew that God really did hate us. The aftermath was ugly. Lesbians in ripped flannel, drag queens with smeared makeup, and jockstraps and cockrings just lying about in the rubble.

Then the cops and park security came through and started throwing everybody out. We asked them about our beer tickets. They said, "Too bad. Get out." We've boycotted every year since.
2014-01-08 02:14:18 PM  
2 votes:
The company I work for is working on a much better cashless system for amusement parks.

The system uses wristbands, which the customers can tie in to their credit card, or to a prepaid cash account. At each vendor, ride, and venue, they simply scan their wristband to pay for their purchases. The customers can also set spending limits on their accounts, track their spending throughout the day, etc. For venues which require reservations, they can prepay at the gate, then simply scan their wristband at the venue to enter.

In the case of a prepaid account, they can also recharge their account at any ATM or designated booth in the park. Since any unused amount is refunded at the end of their stay, customers do not have to worry about putting too much into the prepaid account. The customer can choose to receive their refund as a money order or check, or can  have it deposited directly into their bank account.
2014-01-08 02:00:35 PM  
2 votes:
 Lots of festivals get a cut of the sales or a flat rate (which ever ends up being more) so vendors will under report sales to pay a smaller cut.

Food vendors do not report total sales to the State Fair, but pay 17.5 percent of their revenue as rent; the fair received about $1.7 million from food sales in 2013, Chappell said. That does not include beer sales.

so... yeah... state fair food vendors are not honest and state fair organizers suspect them of 'skimming' cash off the top...  decide that inconveniencing the end-customer is a small price to pay for getting their 'fair' share from the vendors.
2014-01-08 01:55:07 PM  
2 votes:
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It's money that's made just for the park.  It works just like regular money, but it's, er..."fun".
2014-01-08 01:49:27 PM  
2 votes:
Oh boy, I can stand in line to trade real money for fake money that can only be spent in one place.  If your minimum wage employees steal from you, fire them.  If your minimum wage employees can't count, educate them.  If education fails, fire them.

Here's how I see it working:

1. You buy too many tickets because who knows how many you'll need.
2. The tickets are worth $.50, which means everything will be rounded UP I'm sure.
3. You'll lose some of them because they're small, light, and not conveniently shaped.
4. At the end of the night, they say "You can save them for next year." You won't find or remember them.

So, extra money for the fair because they sold the tickets.  A little extra money for the vendors because they go to round all their prices up to the nearest $.50.  A little less theft by the employees (now they'll only steal enough to feed themselves and their kinfolk).  Doesn't seem worth it...

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2014-01-08 01:45:21 PM  
2 votes:

pute kisses like a man: I'm sure there's a legal reason for this. But us there a business reason? Are sales better or worse with tickets?


I hate "cash --> tickets --> product" exchange system. It's a pain in the ass, but I'm guessing it's for the same reason that stores love selling prepaid gift cards: there's gonna be a percentage of them that never get redeemed, which means extra profit.
2014-01-08 01:38:43 PM  
2 votes:
I assume this will work like Dave and buster's where the tickets suddenly don't seem tied to money
2014-01-08 01:38:02 PM  
2 votes:

Sybarite: How are you supposed to know in advance how much deep fried crap you can shovel down your gullet until explosive diarrhea sets in? That number can vary vastly over a lifetime.


Never fear.  There will be ticket purchase booths scattered everywhere.

Lots of wine & beer festivals do the same thing.
2014-01-08 01:35:43 PM  
2 votes:
How are you supposed to know in advance how much deep fried crap you can shovel down your gullet until explosive diarrhea sets in? That number can vary vastly over a lifetime.
2014-01-08 01:11:37 PM  
2 votes:
Funnel cakes = crack with powdered sugar.

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2014-01-08 03:38:50 PM  
1 vote:

pute kisses like a man: I'm sure there's a legal reason for this. But us there a business reason? Are sales better or worse with tickets?


Buyers always end up with more tickets that don't get used.  So you buy 20 tickets for $20, cuz that's a nice round number.  Your meal is 6 tickets.  You get 3 things then are left with 2 tickets.  Pure profit for the ticket seller.
2014-01-08 02:09:53 PM  
1 vote:
So, use one of the 50 booths to purchase tickets vs the probably 5 ATM machines with a big line and that damn $3 processing fee, I'll take the tickets.

It's just easier to deal in tickets than having the vendors run out of change because everyone is paying in 20's. X item costs x tickets, hand over tickets, boom, done. Way more efficient. The less time I have to stand in line behind some jerk who has trouble with basic math, the better.
2014-01-08 02:08:19 PM  
1 vote:

Pinner: Because the min. wage food vendor/methheads steal cash.
That's why.


The fairground/fair board/ state wants to make sure they get a percentage of sales. That's what its about, not employee theft, pinhead.
2014-01-08 02:02:06 PM  
1 vote:
The Texas State Fair has been doing this for years with the food.  Same with the Midway.   The people that run the Fair want to make sure they get their full portion of the sales.  Regulating through tickets is the only way to accomplish that.
2014-01-08 01:59:17 PM  
1 vote:
Iowa sounds fat.
2014-01-08 01:56:16 PM  
1 vote:

FrancoFile: Fiat currency!
Audit the Iowa State Fair!
RON PAUL!


Or maybe I just don't want a pocket full of useless tickets at the end of the night.  If I bring $50 cash and only spend $10 dollars, I can spend $40 somewhere else after I leave.  If I buy 100 tickets and only spend 20, are you going to take my other 80 in exchange for gas, groceries, etc?
2014-01-08 01:53:27 PM  
1 vote:

WhyKnot: My guess, the 'business reason' is so that the fair can ensure that the food vendors aren't skimming off the top and misreporting their revenue.    If the vendors have to redeem their tickets with the fair for cash (because the fair is trading the tickets for cash on the front-end), the fair knows exactly how much it gets to keep as 'rent'.


Oh no, someone took part of their 17.5% they took off the top as rent? How will they ever make ends meet?  If it's that big a problem, charge a flat rate that isn't ridiculous. Or, a hybrid where you pay a fixed fee and a lower percentage to offset some of the sandbagging.
2014-01-08 01:45:11 PM  
1 vote:

pute kisses like a man: FrancoFile: Sybarite: How are you supposed to know in advance how much deep fried crap you can shovel down your gullet until explosive diarrhea sets in? That number can vary vastly over a lifetime.

Never fear.  There will be ticket purchase booths scattered everywhere.

Lots of wine & beer festivals do the same thing.

I'm sure there's a legal reason for this. But us there a business reason? Are sales better or worse with tickets?


My guess, the 'business reason' is so that the fair can ensure that the food vendors aren't skimming off the top and misreporting their revenue.    If the vendors have to redeem their tickets with the fair for cash (because the fair is trading the tickets for cash on the front-end), the fair knows exactly how much it gets to keep as 'rent'.
2014-01-08 01:44:38 PM  
1 vote:
That's what the Texas State Fair has always done. No big deal.
2014-01-08 01:43:41 PM  
1 vote:

pute kisses like a man: FrancoFile: Sybarite: How are you supposed to know in advance how much deep fried crap you can shovel down your gullet until explosive diarrhea sets in? That number can vary vastly over a lifetime.

Never fear.  There will be ticket purchase booths scattered everywhere.

Lots of wine & beer festivals do the same thing.

I'm sure there's a legal reason for this. But us there a business reason? Are sales better or worse with tickets?


It's sort of the same as gift cards. They will sell so many, but somewhat fewer will be cashed in for the reward and not all will be used for the maximum value, leaving the company with an incrementally larger profit.
2014-01-08 01:42:27 PM  
1 vote:
Screw this, I attend the florida strawberry festival just because I can spend all the money I want. If they went to a ticket system I wouldn't even go, I usually go just for the food and beer.

/Try 13 different deep fried bacon's, at $2.50 a piece I will attempt to try all of them before I have a heart attack and die happy
2014-01-08 01:41:50 PM  
1 vote:

FrancoFile: Sybarite: How are you supposed to know in advance how much deep fried crap you can shovel down your gullet until explosive diarrhea sets in? That number can vary vastly over a lifetime.

Never fear.  There will be ticket purchase booths scattered everywhere.

Lots of wine & beer festivals do the same thing.


www.ticketloot.com


I've got some coupins!
2014-01-08 01:39:06 PM  
1 vote:
Scary tag?  Really stubby??  Go back in your hole.
 
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