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(Des Moines Register)   Today's Crisis in the Midwest: The Iowa State Fair will eliminate cash sales at food vendors and make everyone use a prepaid ticket system. "Similar to theft but with funnel cakes"   (desmoinesregister.com) divider line 107
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2014-01-08 01:11:37 PM  
Funnel cakes = crack with powdered sugar.

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2014-01-08 01:35:43 PM  
How are you supposed to know in advance how much deep fried crap you can shovel down your gullet until explosive diarrhea sets in? That number can vary vastly over a lifetime.
 
2014-01-08 01:38:02 PM  

Sybarite: How are you supposed to know in advance how much deep fried crap you can shovel down your gullet until explosive diarrhea sets in? That number can vary vastly over a lifetime.


Never fear.  There will be ticket purchase booths scattered everywhere.

Lots of wine & beer festivals do the same thing.
 
2014-01-08 01:38:43 PM  
I assume this will work like Dave and buster's where the tickets suddenly don't seem tied to money
 
2014-01-08 01:39:06 PM  
Scary tag?  Really stubby??  Go back in your hole.
 
2014-01-08 01:40:11 PM  

FrancoFile: Sybarite: How are you supposed to know in advance how much deep fried crap you can shovel down your gullet until explosive diarrhea sets in? That number can vary vastly over a lifetime.

Never fear.  There will be ticket purchase booths scattered everywhere.

Lots of wine & beer festivals do the same thing.


I'm sure there's a legal reason for this. But us there a business reason? Are sales better or worse with tickets?
 
2014-01-08 01:41:08 PM  
Because the min. wage food vendor/methheads steal cash.
That's why.
 
2014-01-08 01:41:32 PM  
THANKS, OBAMA!
 
2014-01-08 01:41:50 PM  

FrancoFile: Sybarite: How are you supposed to know in advance how much deep fried crap you can shovel down your gullet until explosive diarrhea sets in? That number can vary vastly over a lifetime.

Never fear.  There will be ticket purchase booths scattered everywhere.

Lots of wine & beer festivals do the same thing.


www.ticketloot.com


I've got some coupins!
 
2014-01-08 01:42:27 PM  
Screw this, I attend the florida strawberry festival just because I can spend all the money I want. If they went to a ticket system I wouldn't even go, I usually go just for the food and beer.

/Try 13 different deep fried bacon's, at $2.50 a piece I will attempt to try all of them before I have a heart attack and die happy
 
2014-01-08 01:43:41 PM  
Let them eat funnel cake.

/rides away sans clothing
 
2014-01-08 01:43:41 PM  

pute kisses like a man: FrancoFile: Sybarite: How are you supposed to know in advance how much deep fried crap you can shovel down your gullet until explosive diarrhea sets in? That number can vary vastly over a lifetime.

Never fear.  There will be ticket purchase booths scattered everywhere.

Lots of wine & beer festivals do the same thing.

I'm sure there's a legal reason for this. But us there a business reason? Are sales better or worse with tickets?


It's sort of the same as gift cards. They will sell so many, but somewhat fewer will be cashed in for the reward and not all will be used for the maximum value, leaving the company with an incrementally larger profit.
 
2014-01-08 01:44:00 PM  

pute kisses like a man: FrancoFile: Sybarite: How are you supposed to know in advance how much deep fried crap you can shovel down your gullet until explosive diarrhea sets in? That number can vary vastly over a lifetime.

Never fear.  There will be ticket purchase booths scattered everywhere.

Lots of wine & beer festivals do the same thing.

I'm sure there's a legal reason for this. But us there a business reason? Are sales better or worse with tickets?


Better.  People leave with unused tickets.  And by setting a ticket at $2 you mask the actual price so there isn't as much sticker shock.
 
2014-01-08 01:44:38 PM  
That's what the Texas State Fair has always done. No big deal.
 
2014-01-08 01:44:42 PM  
Cash may have its flaws (one being, you lose it, it's gone), but it still provides a very simple system: 1.) Want food 2.)Give cash.

Or credit, or ticket if that's your thing. Having options is good.
 
2014-01-08 01:44:46 PM  

pute kisses like a man: FrancoFile: Sybarite: How are you supposed to know in advance how much deep fried crap you can shovel down your gullet until explosive diarrhea sets in? That number can vary vastly over a lifetime.

Never fear.  There will be ticket purchase booths scattered everywhere.

Lots of wine & beer festivals do the same thing.

I'm sure there's a legal reason for this. But us there a business reason? Are sales better or worse with tickets?


Lots of festivals get a cut of the sales or a flat rate (which ever ends up being more) so vendors will under report sales to pay a smaller cut.

With tickets, vendors have to turn them in to get their money at the end of the day.
 
2014-01-08 01:44:48 PM  

pute kisses like a man: I'm sure there's a legal reason for this. But us there a business reason? Are sales better or worse with tickets?


Once you buy the tickets they have your money and it's guaranteed revenue whether you actually use the tickets or not. Unless it causes people to forgo purchasing food because they don't have a ticket, the worst they can do is the same and for every ticket that goes reimbursed it's free money.
 
2014-01-08 01:45:11 PM  

pute kisses like a man: FrancoFile: Sybarite: How are you supposed to know in advance how much deep fried crap you can shovel down your gullet until explosive diarrhea sets in? That number can vary vastly over a lifetime.

Never fear.  There will be ticket purchase booths scattered everywhere.

Lots of wine & beer festivals do the same thing.

I'm sure there's a legal reason for this. But us there a business reason? Are sales better or worse with tickets?


My guess, the 'business reason' is so that the fair can ensure that the food vendors aren't skimming off the top and misreporting their revenue.    If the vendors have to redeem their tickets with the fair for cash (because the fair is trading the tickets for cash on the front-end), the fair knows exactly how much it gets to keep as 'rent'.
 
2014-01-08 01:45:21 PM  

pute kisses like a man: I'm sure there's a legal reason for this. But us there a business reason? Are sales better or worse with tickets?


I hate "cash --> tickets --> product" exchange system. It's a pain in the ass, but I'm guessing it's for the same reason that stores love selling prepaid gift cards: there's gonna be a percentage of them that never get redeemed, which means extra profit.
 
2014-01-08 01:46:46 PM  
"Similar to theft but with funnel cakes"

Mmmm. Sweet sweet theft.
 
2014-01-08 01:47:48 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: "Similar to theft but with funnel cakes"

Mmmm. Sweet sweet theft.


you sound like a politician.  :-/
 
2014-01-08 01:48:05 PM  

gretzkyscores: pute kisses like a man: I'm sure there's a legal reason for this. But us there a business reason? Are sales better or worse with tickets?

I hate "cash --> tickets --> product" exchange system. It's a pain in the ass, but I'm guessing it's for the same reason that stores love selling prepaid gift cards: there's gonna be a percentage of them that never get redeemed, which means extra profit.


Stores keep the breakage. Watched a lady say "yeah, just toss it" when the clerk informed her that the balance on the gift card was $ .47
 
2014-01-08 01:48:26 PM  

Pinner: Because the min. wage food vendor/methheads steal cash.
That's why.


Probably. The Texas state fair has done this for years (tickets instead of cash).

Unless you're the kind of person who spends uncontrollable at the fair, it's an annoyance, not a civil rights issue.
 
2014-01-08 01:48:32 PM  
There are a large number of benefits to switching to a ticket system, none of which benefit the customer.
 
2014-01-08 01:48:56 PM  

FrancoFile: Sybarite: How are you supposed to know in advance how much deep fried crap you can shovel down your gullet until explosive diarrhea sets in? That number can vary vastly over a lifetime.

Never fear.  There will be ticket purchase booths scattered everywhere.

Lots of wine & beer festivals do the same thing.


The last Oktoberfest I went to did this, and I hated it.  Was walking around and saw some vendors with food and no line, but didn't have tickets on me, so I didn't get any.  Later, wanted a beer, while I'm standing right next to a beer vendor, but I can't get one because I don't have a ticket.  So, I find a ticket booth, but they have no listing of what food costs at them, so I have no idea how many I need... get $10 worth, and get a brat and pretzel, but find I don't have enough for a beer to.  Get $1 in tickets for a beer so I can get my beer, but now my brat is cold.

At this point I'm a bit soured, and don't feel like waiting in the ticket line again, so I don't buy anything else.  If I could have paid cash, I'd probably have bought twice as much, but I have no desire to guess ahead of time how hungry/thirsty I'm going to be and get tickets, and find I'm either short, or way over and stuck with non-refundable tickets.

Now... if a fair uses tickets for food, I just don't go.
 
2014-01-08 01:49:27 PM  
Oh boy, I can stand in line to trade real money for fake money that can only be spent in one place.  If your minimum wage employees steal from you, fire them.  If your minimum wage employees can't count, educate them.  If education fails, fire them.

Here's how I see it working:

1. You buy too many tickets because who knows how many you'll need.
2. The tickets are worth $.50, which means everything will be rounded UP I'm sure.
3. You'll lose some of them because they're small, light, and not conveniently shaped.
4. At the end of the night, they say "You can save them for next year." You won't find or remember them.

So, extra money for the fair because they sold the tickets.  A little extra money for the vendors because they go to round all their prices up to the nearest $.50.  A little less theft by the employees (now they'll only steal enough to feed themselves and their kinfolk).  Doesn't seem worth it...

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2014-01-08 01:50:55 PM  
Take my cash or I'll shoot.
 
2014-01-08 01:51:52 PM  

grinding_journalist: There are a large number of benefits to switching to a ticket system, none of which benefit the customer vendors who want to underreport sales where the fee is sales-based.


Jus' saying...
 
2014-01-08 01:53:13 PM  
was re-looking at the article and found this gem:   "None of us like change, but once people experience it and see the convenience, they'll buy into it,"

now help me understand the convenience of standing in line A to purchase tickets, then standing in line B to acquire food....wouldn't it be more convenient to standing in 1 line and simply purchase the food?

Adding additional steps is not "convenience".
 
2014-01-08 01:53:16 PM  

morgen_benner: Oh boy, I can stand in line to trade real money for fake money that can only be spent in one place.  If your minimum wage employees steal from you, fire them.  If your minimum wage employees can't count, educate them.  If education fails, fire them.

Here's how I see it working:

1. You buy too many tickets because who knows how many you'll need.
2. The tickets are worth $.50, which means everything will be rounded UP I'm sure.
3. You'll lose some of them because they're small, light, and not conveniently shaped.
4. At the end of the night, they say "You can save them for next year." You won't find or remember them.

So, extra money for the fair because they sold the tickets.  A little extra money for the vendors because they go to round all their prices up to the nearest $.50.  A little less theft by the employees (now they'll only steal enough to feed themselves and their kinfolk).  Doesn't seem worth it...

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Fiat currency!
Audit the Iowa State Fair!
RON PAUL!
 
2014-01-08 01:53:27 PM  

WhyKnot: My guess, the 'business reason' is so that the fair can ensure that the food vendors aren't skimming off the top and misreporting their revenue.    If the vendors have to redeem their tickets with the fair for cash (because the fair is trading the tickets for cash on the front-end), the fair knows exactly how much it gets to keep as 'rent'.


Oh no, someone took part of their 17.5% they took off the top as rent? How will they ever make ends meet?  If it's that big a problem, charge a flat rate that isn't ridiculous. Or, a hybrid where you pay a fixed fee and a lower percentage to offset some of the sandbagging.
 
2014-01-08 01:54:00 PM  

pute kisses like a man: FrancoFile: Sybarite: How are you supposed to know in advance how much deep fried crap you can shovel down your gullet until explosive diarrhea sets in? That number can vary vastly over a lifetime.

Never fear.  There will be ticket purchase booths scattered everywhere.

Lots of wine & beer festivals do the same thing.

I'm sure there's a legal reason for this. But us there a business reason? Are sales better or worse with tickets?


Sales are faster. And it's easier for vendors to not have to handle cash.
 
2014-01-08 01:54:14 PM  
I'm rich!
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2014-01-08 01:55:07 PM  
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It's money that's made just for the park.  It works just like regular money, but it's, er..."fun".
 
2014-01-08 01:56:16 PM  

FrancoFile: Fiat currency!
Audit the Iowa State Fair!
RON PAUL!


Or maybe I just don't want a pocket full of useless tickets at the end of the night.  If I bring $50 cash and only spend $10 dollars, I can spend $40 somewhere else after I leave.  If I buy 100 tickets and only spend 20, are you going to take my other 80 in exchange for gas, groceries, etc?
 
2014-01-08 01:56:31 PM  
This thread reads like the Tea Party invading Fark.
 
2014-01-08 01:59:17 PM  
Iowa sounds fat.
 
2014-01-08 01:59:17 PM  
How do they prevent counterfeit tickets?
 
2014-01-08 01:59:35 PM  
It's a way to make more money for the organizers.

Best case, it's a layer of inconvenience and hassle for customers and vendors. Worst case, it screws them over.

But I'm sure the free market will take care of it.
 
2014-01-08 02:00:35 PM  
 Lots of festivals get a cut of the sales or a flat rate (which ever ends up being more) so vendors will under report sales to pay a smaller cut.

Food vendors do not report total sales to the State Fair, but pay 17.5 percent of their revenue as rent; the fair received about $1.7 million from food sales in 2013, Chappell said. That does not include beer sales.

so... yeah... state fair food vendors are not honest and state fair organizers suspect them of 'skimming' cash off the top...  decide that inconveniencing the end-customer is a small price to pay for getting their 'fair' share from the vendors.
 
2014-01-08 02:01:29 PM  

dittybopper: FrancoFile: Sybarite: How are you supposed to know in advance how much deep fried crap you can shovel down your gullet until explosive diarrhea sets in? That number can vary vastly over a lifetime.

Never fear.  There will be ticket purchase booths scattered everywhere.

Lots of wine & beer festivals do the same thing.




I've got some coupins!


Yep. Pretty much any outdoor event in Texas runs on the coupin currency system. It's a ripoff no matter how you slice it, but it's there to make the organizers tons of money and keep cash out of the hands of the bored 16-20 year-olds manning the stalls. You'll notice the coupin booths are always manned by tight-fisted blue-hairs, the only ones they trust with the cash.
 
2014-01-08 02:02:06 PM  
The Texas State Fair has been doing this for years with the food.  Same with the Midway.   The people that run the Fair want to make sure they get their full portion of the sales.  Regulating through tickets is the only way to accomplish that.
 
2014-01-08 02:04:02 PM  

Sofa King Smart: Lots of festivals get a cut of the sales or a flat rate (which ever ends up being more) so vendors will under report sales to pay a smaller cut.

Food vendors do not report total sales to the State Fair, but pay 17.5 percent of their revenue as rent; the fair received about $1.7 million from food sales in 2013, Chappell said. That does not include beer sales.

so... yeah... state fair food vendors are not honest and state fair organizers suspect them of 'skimming' cash off the top...  decide that inconveniencing the end-customer is a small price to pay for getting their 'fair' share from the vendors.


Wait, you mean that carnies aren't honest and ethical?  I'm shocked. Shocked!
 
2014-01-08 02:08:19 PM  

Pinner: Because the min. wage food vendor/methheads steal cash.
That's why.


The fairground/fair board/ state wants to make sure they get a percentage of sales. That's what its about, not employee theft, pinhead.
 
2014-01-08 02:08:41 PM  

FrancoFile: Sofa King Smart: Lots of festivals get a cut of the sales or a flat rate (which ever ends up being more) so vendors will under report sales to pay a smaller cut.

Food vendors do not report total sales to the State Fair, but pay 17.5 percent of their revenue as rent; the fair received about $1.7 million from food sales in 2013, Chappell said. That does not include beer sales.

so... yeah... state fair food vendors are not honest and state fair organizers suspect them of 'skimming' cash off the top...  decide that inconveniencing the end-customer is a small price to pay for getting their 'fair' share from the vendors.

Wait, you mean that carnies aren't honest and ethical?  I'm shocked. Shocked!


I, too, am shocked by this revelation... who would have thought carnies with their close-set eyes and rat-like features would be less than honest with either fair organizers or their customers.

www.dvdactive.com
 
2014-01-08 02:09:06 PM  

morgen_benner: If I bring $50 cash and only spend $10 dollars, I can spend $40 somewhere else after I leave. If I buy 100 tickets and only spend 20, are you going to take my other 80 in exchange for gas, groceries, etc?


Don't assume you're going to eat $50 worth of deep fried butter in a day. Problem solved.

As someone else said, beer festivals do this. In that case, it pretty much has to be to keep the vendors honest, because any fool can tell you that you want your booze customers making purchasing decisions after they've had a few as opposed to when they show up sober.
 
2014-01-08 02:09:22 PM  

little Jeff: The Texas State Fair has been doing this for years with the food.  Same with the Midway.   The people that run the Fair want to make sure they get their full portion of the sales.  Regulating through tickets is the only way to accomplish that.


Most booths at festivals and fairs up my way take debit, but they pay a flat rate to rent the space not a percentage of sales. Midways have always done the ticket thing, but more and more are switching to the "pay for the day" model.
 
2014-01-08 02:09:53 PM  
So, use one of the 50 booths to purchase tickets vs the probably 5 ATM machines with a big line and that damn $3 processing fee, I'll take the tickets.

It's just easier to deal in tickets than having the vendors run out of change because everyone is paying in 20's. X item costs x tickets, hand over tickets, boom, done. Way more efficient. The less time I have to stand in line behind some jerk who has trouble with basic math, the better.
 
2014-01-08 02:09:59 PM  

Sofa King Smart: FrancoFile: Sofa King Smart: Lots of festivals get a cut of the sales or a flat rate (which ever ends up being more) so vendors will under report sales to pay a smaller cut.

Food vendors do not report total sales to the State Fair, but pay 17.5 percent of their revenue as rent; the fair received about $1.7 million from food sales in 2013, Chappell said. That does not include beer sales.

so... yeah... state fair food vendors are not honest and state fair organizers suspect them of 'skimming' cash off the top...  decide that inconveniencing the end-customer is a small price to pay for getting their 'fair' share from the vendors.

Wait, you mean that carnies aren't honest and ethical?  I'm shocked. Shocked!

I, too, am shocked by this revelation... who would have thought carnies with their close-set eyes and rat-like features would be less than honest with either fair organizers or their customers.


oops... should have been Joe Dirt from his 'carny' days...  preview is your friend.
 
2014-01-08 02:11:21 PM  

Madbassist1: Pinner: Because the min. wage food vendor/methheads steal cash.
That's why.

The fairground/fair board/ state wants to make sure they get a percentage of sales. That's what its about, not employee theft, pinhead.


well I see this point has been covered ad nauseum, so I retract my pinhead comment.

Wait.
No I don't

;)
 
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