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2014-01-08 06:26:27 PM
Another Holocaust movie? I wonder if they'll ever make a movie about the other six million who died in the camps? The dissidents and homosexuals and Russians and French resistance fighters and Roma and Jehovah's Witnesses and...
 
2014-01-08 06:29:52 PM

theflatline: InterruptingQuirk: How much of this thread about the Holocaust will speak exclusively about the 6 million Jews that lost their lives, and not one mention of the 5-6 million ethnic Poles, Roma and Belarusians, and the tens and hundreds of thousands each of Serbs, Slavs, Jehovah Witnesses, African descent, Mentally Handicapped, Homosexuals, Bosnians, Albanians, Freemasons, and Slovenes persons that were murdered in the concentration camps and elsewhere with the same purpose of extermination?

Actually,

The article did not bring religeon, hertiage, ethnicity, nor did anyone in the thread.  But you did.

Why do you hate the Jews so much?

Who else claims the term holocaust to be theirs alone and exclusively until the end of time?
 
2014-01-08 06:30:19 PM

Nasty Celt: Another Holocaust movie? I wonder if they'll ever make a movie about the other six million who died in the camps? The dissidents and homosexuals and Russians and French resistance fighters and Roma and Jehovah's Witnesses and...



We have had enough depressing movies about the Holocaust. This one will be a musical.
 
2014-01-08 06:33:45 PM

indarwinsshadow: Some it is available from PBS


I just watched it, and again I think. How the hell can anyone, any human, do this to another human and still think of themselves as civilized?
Religion aside, what kind of monster could possibly think this was a good idea. How did they sleep with the fact they killed innocent people?

I'll never, ever, understand the mentality that went into the holocaust. It's the worst of humanity.


The same things happened long before WW 2 and are still happening today. It was in no way an aberration.
 
2014-01-08 06:36:09 PM

Nasty Celt: theflatline: InterruptingQuirk: How much of this thread about the Holocaust will speak exclusively about the 6 million Jews that lost their lives, and not one mention of the 5-6 million ethnic Poles, Roma and Belarusians, and the tens and hundreds of thousands each of Serbs, Slavs, Jehovah Witnesses, African descent, Mentally Handicapped, Homosexuals, Bosnians, Albanians, Freemasons, and Slovenes persons that were murdered in the concentration camps and elsewhere with the same purpose of extermination?

Actually,

The article did not bring religeon, hertiage, ethnicity, nor did anyone in the thread.  But you did.

Why do you hate the Jews so much?
Who else claims the term holocaust to be theirs alone and exclusively until the end of time?


I have never heard a Jew claim that...
 
2014-01-08 06:44:32 PM
I want to see the film because we should never forget the Holocast happened, to honor those who died and suffered, and remember it could happen again, even at a smaller scale (Bosnia for example).

/Been to Dachu.
 
2014-01-08 06:51:07 PM

Nasty Celt: indarwinsshadow: Some it is available from PBS


I just watched it, and again I think. How the hell can anyone, any human, do this to another human and still think of themselves as civilized?
Religion aside, what kind of monster could possibly think this was a good idea. How did they sleep with the fact they killed innocent people?

I'll never, ever, understand the mentality that went into the holocaust. It's the worst of humanity.

The same things happened long before WW 2 and are still happening today. It was in no way an aberration.


Yeap, I don't recall Jews saying it was only them. They just express it could happen again to them.

Did you remember the Soviet POWs used for experiments like how long will humans live in freezing water?

/Saw that at a Dachu exhibit.
 
2014-01-08 07:11:26 PM
We got an early HOTY candidate.
 
2014-01-08 07:20:09 PM

Snarfangel: Nasty Celt: Another Holocaust movie? I wonder if they'll ever make a movie about the other six million who died in the camps? The dissidents and homosexuals and Russians and French resistance fighters and Roma and Jehovah's Witnesses and...


We have had enough depressing movies about the Holocaust. This one will be a musical.


Actually Hitchcock will probably end it in suspense and we won't know if the Germans will ever be defeated. How's that for depressing?
 
2014-01-08 07:37:23 PM
I've seen Memory Of The Camps twice, and to be honest I really don't see what could be added to it. That film was disturbing enough. I'll see it if it comes around here.

My algebra teacher's brother was one of the first G.I.s to liberate one of the camps. She said when he got home he was never the same and never talked about it.
 
2014-01-08 08:29:42 PM
Flower Kings - Train to Nowhere
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFUVWCruMH0
Awesome group, touching song.
 
2014-01-08 08:49:16 PM

tlars699: indarwinsshadow: Jekylman: indarwinsshadow: Some it is available from PBS


I just watched it, and again I think. How the hell can anyone, any human, do this to another human and still think of themselves as civilized?
Religion aside, what kind of monster could possibly think this was a good idea. How did they sleep with the fact they killed innocent people?

I'll never, ever, understand the mentality that went into the holocaust. It's the worst of humanity.

It's really fairly easy to successfully portray entire demographic groups as, by definition, not innocent and therefore deserving of whatever hateful thing you can do to them. And it takes only a few steps and a few public relations campaigns to institutionalize it.

I understand the indoctrination process. What I don't understand is how individuals co-operate on mass murder willingly. I get how one deranged individual takes it into their head to commit a crime, I don't get how you find a group of unrelated people buying into the idea that the solution is to torture/murder a group of people who have never personally harmed you.

It's not conditioning. It must be something else. Even simple indoctrination or education couldn't convince rational or apparently rational people to murder or allow to be murdered children, women and men who haven't done them physical harm.

I'm not naive. I'm just not wired to hate people enough to kill anyone in a premeditated fashion based on ideology.

I don't like a lot of people, based on personal experience. In my case, I don't like stupidity and willful ignorance. I can't imagine that as a criteria for rounding up lots of people and murdering them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

Por vous...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_third_wave

I still don't know why watched that PBS video...
 
2014-01-08 08:55:31 PM

Ambitwistor: Only way it could have been scarier is if it featured Dennis Franz.


That would be 'Psycho II'....
 
2014-01-08 09:19:10 PM

InterruptingQuirk: How much of this thread about the Holocaust will speak exclusively about the 6 million Jews that lost their lives, and not one mention of the 5-6 million ethnic Poles, Roma and Belarusians, and the tens and hundreds of thousands each of Serbs, Slavs, Jehovah Witnesses, African descent, Mentally Handicapped, Homosexuals, Bosnians, Albanians, Freemasons, and Slovenes persons that were murdered in the concentration camps and elsewhere with the same purpose of extermination?


For some reason whenever I bring that up people react as if it's somehow anti Semitic or holocaust denial. It's just fact. Jews were clearly the focus of nazi rhetorical hatred/blame/etc. but in fact constituted a numerical minority of holocaust victims specifically and a much smaller minority when you consider ALL non military murders (i.e. Including einsatzgrupen mass murders in the east etc.)

Some topics are too touchy for truth.
 
2014-01-08 09:28:11 PM

Loreweaver: indarwinsshadow: Jekylman: indarwinsshadow: Some it is available from PBS


I just watched it, and again I think. How the hell can anyone, any human, do this to another human and still think of themselves as civilized?
Religion aside, what kind of monster could possibly think this was a good idea. How did they sleep with the fact they killed innocent people?

I'll never, ever, understand the mentality that went into the holocaust. It's the worst of humanity.

It's really fairly easy to successfully portray entire demographic groups as, by definition, not innocent and therefore deserving of whatever hateful thing you can do to them. And it takes only a few steps and a few public relations campaigns to institutionalize it.

I understand the indoctrination process. What I don't understand is how individuals co-operate on mass murder willingly. I get how one deranged individual takes it into their head to commit a crime, I don't get how you find a group of unrelated people buying into the idea that the solution is to torture/murder a group of people who have never personally harmed you.

It's not conditioning. It must be something else. Even simple indoctrination or education couldn't convince rational or apparently rational people to murder or allow to be murdered children, women and men who haven't done them physical harm.

I'm not naive. I'm just not wired to hate people enough to kill anyone in a premeditated fashion based on ideology.

I don't like a lot of people, based on personal experience. In my case, I don't like stupidity and willful ignorance. I can't imagine that as a criteria for rounding up lots of people and murdering them.

One has only to look at how WE treated Japanese people living in the US during WWII. The Japanese had been vilified, and lots of US citizens took out their hatred on the innocents living here. we even rounded them up into camps. We stopped short of genocide, which is the only thing different between 1940s USA and the Nazis.


You'll reel them in by the boatload.
 
2014-01-08 10:27:12 PM

markfara: LeroyBourne: I'll watch it, but I will only compare it to Salo.  If it's more disturbing than that I'll be impressed.

Salo wasn't all that disturbing.

The part where the girl was busted with a turd she wasn't supposed to drop made me giggle, actually.


Oh, didn't get to the ending?
 
2014-01-08 10:36:41 PM

AirForceVet: I want to see the film because we should never forget the Holocast happened, to honor those who died and suffered, and remember it could happen again, even at a smaller scale (Bosnia for example).

/Been to Dachu.


"could happen again" ?  What Utopian  planet do you live on?  it's happening right now it's never stopped "happening".  Never Again is a nice slogan but that's all it is a slogan.. There are death camps all over this world right now that make the NAZIs look like boy scouts and what's the world doing about it? absolutely nothing, What are Farkers doing about it? absolutely nothing

Never Again, Always, and Forever my ass...
 
2014-01-08 10:39:38 PM
This thread makes me nostalgic for Tatsuma.
 
2014-01-09 12:12:22 AM

teenytinycornteeth: InterruptingQuirk: theflatline: Actually,

The article did not bring religeon, hertiage, ethnicity, nor did anyone in the thread. But you did.

That brings up a good counter question. Do you think of any other group of persons other than Jews when the word Holocaust is used and what is the first thing you think of when someone mentions Jews?

There was a Pew Research Poll a few months ago that found that 73% of Jews when asked "What does it mean to be Jewish?" answered 'Remembering Holocaust'.

Where have we let the remembrance of this tragedy go when we forget all the loss that resulted because of it and one group comes to identify with it more than any other aspect of their heritage?

That's not so much a counter question as a desperate move to turn the thread to the subject YOU want to talk about. And/or moving the goal posts. It's an important lesson to be learned: wait until someone brings up a subject before you respond to it.


And what did YOU want to talk about, then?  
This is a comment section after all.  :-)
 
2014-01-09 12:51:52 AM

InterruptingQuirk: Do you think of any other group of persons other than Jews when the word Holocaust is used and what is the first thing you think of when someone mentions Jews?


www.crwflags.com

Yes.
 
2014-01-09 01:33:35 AM
Loreweaver:One has only to look at how WE treated Japanese people living in the US during WWII.

And those Japanese were all so nice and civil; especially to all the women and children in Nanking during that six weeks in 1937.

/but nuke 'em a couple times and suddenly they become pacifists
 
2014-01-09 06:39:40 AM

InterruptingQuirk: How much of this thread about the Holocaust will speak exclusively about the 6 million Jews that lost their lives, and not one mention of the 5-6 million ethnic Poles, Roma and Belarusians, and the tens and hundreds of thousands each of Serbs, Slavs, Jehovah Witnesses, African descent, Mentally Handicapped, Homosexuals, Bosnians, Albanians, Freemasons, and Slovenes persons that were murdered in the concentration camps and elsewhere with the same purpose of extermination?


Actually that's a pretty good list.  Should have given Adolph a couple more years.
 
2014-01-09 08:19:16 AM

Phoenix_M: AirForceVet: I want to see the film because we should never forget the Holocast happened, to honor those who died and suffered, and remember it could happen again, even at a smaller scale (Bosnia for example).

/Been to Dachu.

"could happen again" ?  What Utopian  planet do you live on?  it's happening right now it's never stopped "happening".  Never Again is a nice slogan but that's all it is a slogan.. There are death camps all over this world right now that make the NAZIs look like boy scouts and what's the world doing about it? absolutely nothing, What are Farkers doing about it? absolutely nothing

Never Again, Always, and Forever my ass...


I don't know about everyone else, but I'm pretty sure that when Israelis said "never again" they meant "to us". Clearly if they meant that for everyone... the state of Israel wouldn't have allied itself with South Africa while it's racist, repressive white government rounded up black people and forced them to live in ghettos and placed all sorts of other barbaric restrictions, enforcing this system with murderous force. I'm just kidding. I'm sure those black south africans were somehow a threat to the existence of Israel and their actions were totally justified
 
2014-01-09 09:00:44 AM

notatrollorami: Loreweaver: indarwinsshadow: Jekylman: indarwinsshadow: Some it is available from PBS


I just watched it, and again I think. How the hell can anyone, any human, do this to another human and still think of themselves as civilized?
Religion aside, what kind of monster could possibly think this was a good idea. How did they sleep with the fact they killed innocent people?

I'll never, ever, understand the mentality that went into the holocaust. It's the worst of humanity.

It's really fairly easy to successfully portray entire demographic groups as, by definition, not innocent and therefore deserving of whatever hateful thing you can do to them. And it takes only a few steps and a few public relations campaigns to institutionalize it.

I understand the indoctrination process. What I don't understand is how individuals co-operate on mass murder willingly. I get how one deranged individual takes it into their head to commit a crime, I don't get how you find a group of unrelated people buying into the idea that the solution is to torture/murder a group of people who have never personally harmed you.

It's not conditioning. It must be something else. Even simple indoctrination or education couldn't convince rational or apparently rational people to murder or allow to be murdered children, women and men who haven't done them physical harm.

I'm not naive. I'm just not wired to hate people enough to kill anyone in a premeditated fashion based on ideology.

I don't like a lot of people, based on personal experience. In my case, I don't like stupidity and willful ignorance. I can't imagine that as a criteria for rounding up lots of people and murdering them.

One has only to look at how WE treated Japanese people living in the US during WWII. The Japanese had been vilified, and lots of US citizens took out their hatred on the innocents living here. we even rounded them up into camps. We stopped short of genocide, which is the only thing different between 1940s USA and the Naz ...


It's not troll-bait, it's history. I know Wikipedia is not always 100% accurate, but i also remember this from my History class in high school:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment
 
2014-01-09 10:04:31 AM

Loreweaver: It's not troll-bait, it's history. I know Wikipedia is not always 100% accurate, but i also remember this from my History class in high school:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_American_internment


Crazy how that is one of the things that only gets a footnote in America's History©

I grew up in southern Oregon and I still remember seeing the run down internment buildings at the VA Domiciliary in White City.
 
2014-01-09 11:01:15 AM
Uh..the Japanese were absolutely horrible monsters during ww2 (and before).  Now, that doesn't justify rounding them up here, but still.
 
2014-01-09 11:09:08 AM
All I can think about is that smell, the smell of death is all around you.
 
2014-01-09 11:14:19 AM

You Are All Sheep: Uh..the Japanese were absolutely horrible monsters during ww2 (and before).  Now, that doesn't justify rounding them up here, but still.


but still what?
 
2014-01-09 03:10:13 PM

baufan2005: I try not to think about it. Hogan's heroes is easier to watch when you don't realize that Schultz probably killed hundreds of people through Pow starvation. Well the Pow's that weren't worth trading anyway.


The thing that always amazed me about "Hogan's Heroes" is that the guys who regularly played Nazis were European expatriates who left two steps ahead of Hitler. The father of Werner Klemperer (Col. Klink) was a German Jew who had a price on his head, and John Banner (Sgt. Schultz) was in Switzerland when his home country was annexed by the Nazis.
And Robert Clary, the guy who played LeBeau, was actually in a concentration camp. (Yes, I know he wasn't one of the Nazis in the show.)
 
2014-01-09 04:55:10 PM

theflatline: tlars699: Prey4reign: theflatline: Jews being the most persecuted people in the history of the world is a myth perpetrated by the Hollywood Judiac cult, they run the media and the cinema and have for years lent credence to the lies about the being slaves in Egypt, being expelled from most European countries, the Inquisition,  and the boldest lie of all, the Holocaust.

0/10 -- You forgot about them eating Christian babies.

Ugh. Now instead of ignoring him I have to look at his quote again, and you're trying to inflate his previous statement.
You get -5/10.

Thank god for the inquisition and the Germans or my family would not have left Spain and headed for Colombia, Venezuela, Argentina, the Caribbean, and Louisiana.

It aint easy be green.

/or Jewish, Sicilian, Colombian... my family schlepped a lotta miles in their time.  Grandfather was even what they called a cryptojew.




My dad's side of the family too. Many of them were family names on the Inquisitor's list, had to leave and hide. Interesting how many cryptojews are coming forward via genetic testing.

My mom's side there is nothing crypto about them, they are Spanish Sephardim.
 
2014-01-09 05:55:08 PM
Good headline.
 
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