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2014-01-08 02:12:13 PM
But we don't want the Irish.

076dd0a50e0c1255009e-bd4b8aabaca29897bc751dfaf75b290c.r40.cf1.rackcdn.com
 
2014-01-08 02:12:16 PM

ShawnDoc: InterruptingQuirk: How much of this thread about the Holocaust will speak exclusively about the 6 million Jews that lost their lives, and not one mention of the 5-6 million ethnic Poles, Roma and Belarusians, and the tens and hundreds of thousands each of Serbs, Slavs, Jehovah Witnesses, African descent, Mentally Handicapped, Homosexuals, Bosnians, Albanians, Freemasons, and Slovenes persons that were murdered in the concentration camps and elsewhere with the same purpose of extermination?

Easy answer, because everyone hates the Roma.  They did then, and they do today



I don't hate Roma, but Cherokee purple is better on a burger.
 
2014-01-08 02:12:37 PM

chozo13: GungFu: I hope it's a better watch than Spielberg's efforts.

Yes, I mean Steven Spielberg. If your Oscar winning documentary has interviews that can be easily debunked by some internet-nazi nerd, you have problems regarding veracity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80GgRWuXcO8

This is a serious question and related to the video above: Is it possible to 'erase' tattoos ie, the ones the Nazis did on the Jews, by injecting some sort of chemical into the skin? I have never heard of this or anything remotely similiar and yet, there's a woman in that documentary who says that's what happened to hers. And she mentions that 'skin lampshade' thing as well, which I read was a rumour and never proven. Anyway, I found Spielberg's doc to be highly dubious in its accounting, which really surprised me.

My cousin is getting tattoo removal on his face (it is actually black powder embedded in his skin from an explosion but the appearance is that his entire face was covered in a tattoo). They use a laser that breaks up the ink (or in his case powder) into smaller particles that his body can push out (through his urine, no less).

At least that is how he described it to me.

/not a doctor



Yeah, that's how it's done today. I haven't heard or read of anything prior to using lasers for tattoo removal, certainly never heard of injecting some sort of chemical to remove them. And in the 1940s?! Hmmm.
 
2014-01-08 02:13:01 PM

indarwinsshadow: Some it is available from PBS


I just watched it, and again I think. How the hell can anyone, any human, do this to another human and still think of themselves as civilized?
Religion aside, what kind of monster could possibly think this was a good idea. How did they sleep with the fact they killed innocent people?

I'll never, ever, understand the mentality that went into the holocaust. It's the worst of humanity.


And it continues
- Bosnia
- Rwanda
- Sudan
- Cambodia

Never underestimate the cruelty and inhumanity that can come when one group makes another group the scapegoat for their issues and determines that eliminating them will be the solution (final or not), and then has the power to do so.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-- Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.
 
2014-01-08 02:13:21 PM

InterruptingQuirk: That brings up a good counter question. Do you think of any other group of persons other than Jews when the word Holocaust is used


It's thanks to their awesome PR department.

InterruptingQuirk: what is the first thing you think of when someone mentions Jews?


The curly things they do with their hair.
 
2014-01-08 02:15:33 PM

teenytinycornteeth: InterruptingQuirk: theflatline: Actually,

The article did not bring religeon, hertiage, ethnicity, nor did anyone in the thread. But you did.

That brings up a good counter question. Do you think of any other group of persons other than Jews when the word Holocaust is used and what is the first thing you think of when someone mentions Jews?

There was a Pew Research Poll a few months ago that found that 73% of Jews when asked "What does it mean to be Jewish?" answered 'Remembering Holocaust'.

Where have we let the remembrance of this tragedy go when we forget all the loss that resulted because of it and one group comes to identify with it more than any other aspect of their heritage?

That's not so much a counter question as a desperate move to turn the thread to the subject YOU want to talk about. And/or moving the goal posts. It's an important lesson to be learned: wait until someone brings up a subject before you respond to it.


We could talk about Batman:
i.imgur.com
 
2014-01-08 02:15:55 PM
Poles, Roma and Belarusians, and the tens and hundreds of thousands each of Serbs, Slavs, Jehovah Witnesses, African descent, Mentally Handicapped, Homosexuals, Bosnians, Albanians, Freemasons, and Slovenes persons
and we shall call them Californians
 
2014-01-08 02:19:24 PM

gnosis301: InterruptingQuirk: That brings up a good counter question. Do you think of any other group of persons other than Jews when the word Holocaust is used

It's thanks to their awesome PR department.

InterruptingQuirk: what is the first thing you think of when someone mentions Jews?

The curly things they do with their hair.


This is the first thing I think of.

www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com
 
2014-01-08 02:24:03 PM
At this point any documentary or film about the holocaust is pretty much historical rubbernecking.
 
2014-01-08 02:25:27 PM
If anyone is interested in Hollywood film directors filming concentration camps, here's Billy Wilder in Buchenwald.

I never knew this before. It's kinda weird to see the future director of Some Like It Hot filming emaciated prisoners.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJFvDQwDKFw
 
2014-01-08 02:26:29 PM
Subby, if you came up with that headline just on a whim, you are my new Fark hero.  That's farkin' BRILLIANT.  And horrible.  And Brilliant.

See you in December!
 
2014-01-08 02:28:47 PM

Marquis de Sod: battery1979: Wasn't Anne Frank deaf, dumb, and mute 'til the miracle worker came and slapped some sense into her?

No, It was General Patton Bradley that slapped her.


FTF the sake of the meme.
 
2014-01-08 02:29:01 PM
Will we wait 80 years to see the video of Kwanliso or Yodok and will our grandchildren praise us for stopping it?
 
2014-01-08 02:29:27 PM

Oldiron_79: Well if the shower scene was toodark they should have added yakity Sax that lightens up anything.

Oh lord I think I might be trolling to hard for even my loose standards.


See you in hell! Goddammitsomuch. I have to stop laughing at things like this.

/the pistol in Vicky Christina Barcelona sounded like a cap gun...and it was a Woody Allen movie...anyone would have laughed...
 
2014-01-08 02:31:30 PM

theflatline: gnosis301: InterruptingQuirk: That brings up a good counter question. Do you think of any other group of persons other than Jews when the word Holocaust is used

It's thanks to their awesome PR department.

InterruptingQuirk: what is the first thing you think of when someone mentions Jews?

The curly things they do with their hair.

This is the first thing I think of.

[www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com image 411x594]


You have much better taste then I do. I only come up with this:

img.fark.net
 
2014-01-08 02:31:43 PM

Mudd's woman: uncleacid: Summoner101: uncleacid: He kept Ann Frank in the attic.

No that was Helen Keller. Ann Frank united France to fight England

I thought Helen Keller's plane was shot down during the war.

No, her plane disappeared over the Pacific when she was trying to fly around the world.


No that was Anita Snook. Helen Keller shot J.R.
 
2014-01-08 02:35:25 PM

Mudd's woman: LeroyBourne: I'll watch it, but I will only compare it to Salo.  If it's more disturbing than that I'll be impressed.

This may be a dumb question, but I'm curious as to why that film would be "Not Rated" as opposed to, well, "X" (NC17 nowadays?)?


You have to submit a film to the MPAA (and pay) to get a rating. No submission = not rated.
 
2014-01-08 02:35:41 PM
There's some crazy footage out there from the European theatre. It's rumored that what finally killed Henry Ford was watching film of the concentration camps. He really liked those crazy Nazis (they gave him the highest medal available to non-Germans) but when he saw the footage he supposedly suffered a stroke from which he never recovered.

There's one clip of an American (non-commissioned officer, I think) who accepted the surrender of a Field Marshal or similar rank. The German saluted and handed over his baton. The American took the baton and cold-conked the German with it.

I wish they could put the footage up raw on Youtube. It'll never happen but it would have been nice to be able to suffer through it.
 
2014-01-08 02:36:11 PM

InterruptingQuirk: How much of this thread about the Holocaust will speak exclusively about the 6 million Jews that lost their lives, and not one mention of the 5-6 million ethnic Poles, Roma and Belarusians, and the tens and hundreds of thousands each of Serbs, Slavs, Jehovah Witnesses, African descent, Mentally Handicapped, Homosexuals, Bosnians, Albanians, Freemasons, and Slovenes persons that were murdered in the concentration camps and elsewhere with the same purpose of extermination?


Lighten Up, Francis. You forgot non German POW's.
We all know it happened to this full extent- Time published tons of photographs from the soldiers, and all survivors were captioned.
However, given this is a documentary made(edited) from the films created by English and American soldiers of the time, chances are that some of the survivors will be shown to not necessarily be Jewish in descent.
 
2014-01-08 02:38:14 PM

Mudd's woman: LeroyBourne: I'll watch it, but I will only compare it to Salo.  If it's more disturbing than that I'll be impressed.

This may be a dumb question, but I'm curious as to why that film would be "Not Rated" as opposed to, well, "X" (NC17 nowadays?)?


The whole rating system is "voluntary." When the MPAA originally came up with the system, they trademarked/copyrighted the system and the ratings, except for some reason, the "X." Which is how you had porn films advertised as being "rated" "Triple X," and why the "NC-17" rating is copyrighted/trademarked.    Wikipedia entry on the topic (NSFW language).

Films made before 1968 were not rated under the system you see now, but were subject to the "Hays Code" for determining whether they were "moral." (Hence the hulabaloo over the closing scene of Gone With the Wind, or perhaps it was a bruhaha.)

The rating system, in part, was to deal with "censorship" issues (which the Hays Code pretty much was - a censorship system), and to avoid some kind of government rating body (though in light of the 1st Amendment, that would be tough to do, even with all the dilution of some of the other amendments).

Today, films or variants of films ("the director's cut") are released without running them through the MPAA rating system, but instead just contain disclaimers about disturbing scenes or suitability for children of a given age.
 
2014-01-08 02:41:11 PM

jshine: Mudd's woman: LeroyBourne: I'll watch it, but I will only compare it to Salo.  If it's more disturbing than that I'll be impressed.

This may be a dumb question, but I'm curious as to why that film would be "Not Rated" as opposed to, well, "X" (NC17 nowadays?)?

You have to submit a film to the MPAA (and pay) to get a rating. No submission = not rated.


Interesting...Thanks.
So I suppose if you don't care about releasing it to the mainstream theater population, you are home free. And you save a little cash!
 
2014-01-08 02:42:37 PM

theflatline: InterruptingQuirk: How much of this thread about the Holocaust will speak exclusively about the 6 million Jews that lost their lives, and not one mention of the 5-6 million ethnic Poles, Roma and Belarusians, and the tens and hundreds of thousands each of Serbs, Slavs, Jehovah Witnesses, African descent, Mentally Handicapped, Homosexuals, Bosnians, Albanians, Freemasons, and Slovenes persons that were murdered in the concentration camps and elsewhere with the same purpose of extermination?

Actually,

The article did not bring religeon, hertiage, ethnicity, nor did anyone in the thread.  But you did.

Why do you hate the Jews so much?


You know, that it happened to the Jews was scary enough.

The point of the matter is that the saying really is true:

They came for (fill in your blank for unpopular minority demographic), and I didn't speak up (repeat ad nauseum)
Then they came for my kind, and nobody was left to speak for me.

BEARS REPEATING:
The Nazi's came for everybody.
Even if you fit their genetic profile, if you didn't tout their ways/acceptance, they came for you, too.
 
2014-01-08 03:19:06 PM

InterruptingQuirk: How much of this thread about the Holocaust will speak exclusively about the 6 million Jews that lost their lives, and not one mention of the 5-6 million ethnic Poles, Roma and Belarusians, and the tens and hundreds of thousands each of Serbs, Slavs, Jehovah Witnesses, African descent, Mentally Handicapped, Homosexuals, Bosnians, Albanians, Freemasons, and Slovenes persons that were murdered in the concentration camps and elsewhere with the same purpose of extermination?


I thought we only cared about the plights of real people?

/Check...1...2...3...
//Isthisthingon?
 
2014-01-08 03:24:20 PM
Joke about scarier shower scene = bad taste.
 
2014-01-08 03:27:50 PM

indarwinsshadow: Some it is available from PBS


I just watched it, and again I think. How the hell can anyone, any human, do this to another human and still think of themselves as civilized?
Religion aside, what kind of monster could possibly think this was a good idea. How did they sleep with the fact they killed innocent people?

I'll never, ever, understand the mentality that went into the holocaust. It's the worst of humanity.


It's really fairly easy to successfully portray entire demographic groups as, by definition, not innocent and therefore deserving of whatever hateful thing you can do to them. And it takes only a few steps and a few public relations campaigns to institutionalize it.
 
2014-01-08 03:31:42 PM

uncleacid: Summoner101: uncleacid: He kept Ann Frank in the attic.

No that was Helen Keller. Ann Frank united France to fight England

I thought Helen Keller's plane was shot down during the war.


No, you're thinking of the President's brother -- you know, that trombone player.
 
2014-01-08 03:48:08 PM

Jekylman: indarwinsshadow: Some it is available from PBS


I just watched it, and again I think. How the hell can anyone, any human, do this to another human and still think of themselves as civilized?
Religion aside, what kind of monster could possibly think this was a good idea. How did they sleep with the fact they killed innocent people?

I'll never, ever, understand the mentality that went into the holocaust. It's the worst of humanity.

It's really fairly easy to successfully portray entire demographic groups as, by definition, not innocent and therefore deserving of whatever hateful thing you can do to them. And it takes only a few steps and a few public relations campaigns to institutionalize it.


I understand the indoctrination process. What I don't understand is how individuals co-operate on mass murder willingly. I get how one deranged individual takes it into their head to commit a crime, I don't get how you find a group of unrelated people buying into the idea that the solution is to torture/murder a group of people who have never personally harmed you.

It's not conditioning. It must be something else. Even simple indoctrination or education couldn't convince rational or apparently rational people to murder or allow to be murdered children, women and men who haven't done them physical harm.

I'm not naive. I'm just not wired to hate people enough to kill anyone in a premeditated fashion based on ideology.

I don't like a lot of people, based on personal experience. In my case, I don't like stupidity and willful ignorance. I can't imagine that as a criteria for rounding up lots of people and murdering them.
 
2014-01-08 03:52:06 PM

theflatline: gnosis301: InterruptingQuirk: That brings up a good counter question. Do you think of any other group of persons other than Jews when the word Holocaust is used

It's thanks to their awesome PR department.

InterruptingQuirk: what is the first thing you think of when someone mentions Jews?

The curly things they do with their hair.

This is the first thing I think of.

[www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com image 411x594]


She doesn't look jewish to me.
 
2014-01-08 04:01:35 PM

MelGoesOnTour: theflatline: gnosis301: InterruptingQuirk: That brings up a good counter question. Do you think of any other group of persons other than Jews when the word Holocaust is used

It's thanks to their awesome PR department.

InterruptingQuirk: what is the first thing you think of when someone mentions Jews?

The curly things they do with their hair.

This is the first thing I think of.

[www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com image 411x594]

She doesn't look jewish to me.


I see your Schwartz is as big as mine.
 
2014-01-08 04:06:02 PM

MelGoesOnTour: theflatline: gnosis301: InterruptingQuirk: That brings up a good counter question. Do you think of any other group of persons other than Jews when the word Holocaust is used

It's thanks to their awesome PR department.

InterruptingQuirk: what is the first thing you think of when someone mentions Jews?

The curly things they do with their hair.

This is the first thing I think of.

[www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com image 411x594]

She doesn't look jewish to me.


She looks very Jewish to me.  She is Sephardic, parents from Morocco.
 
2014-01-08 04:06:59 PM

battery1979: Wasn't Anne Frank deaf, dumb, and mute 'til the miracle worker came and slapped some sense into her?


Yes, and she played a mean pinball.
 
2014-01-08 04:08:33 PM

indarwinsshadow: Jekylman: indarwinsshadow: Some it is available from PBS


I just watched it, and again I think. How the hell can anyone, any human, do this to another human and still think of themselves as civilized?
Religion aside, what kind of monster could possibly think this was a good idea. How did they sleep with the fact they killed innocent people?

I'll never, ever, understand the mentality that went into the holocaust. It's the worst of humanity.

It's really fairly easy to successfully portray entire demographic groups as, by definition, not innocent and therefore deserving of whatever hateful thing you can do to them. And it takes only a few steps and a few public relations campaigns to institutionalize it.

I understand the indoctrination process. What I don't understand is how individuals co-operate on mass murder willingly. I get how one deranged individual takes it into their head to commit a crime, I don't get how you find a group of unrelated people buying into the idea that the solution is to torture/murder a group of people who have never personally harmed you.

It's not conditioning. It must be something else. Even simple indoctrination or education couldn't convince rational or apparently rational people to murder or allow to be murdered children, women and men who haven't done them physical harm.

I'm not naive. I'm just not wired to hate people enough to kill anyone in a premeditated fashion based on ideology.

I don't like a lot of people, based on personal experience. In my case, I don't like stupidity and willful ignorance. I can't imagine that as a criteria for rounding up lots of people and murdering them.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

Por vous...
 
2014-01-08 04:08:49 PM

indarwinsshadow: Jekylman: indarwinsshadow: Some it is available from PBS


I just watched it, and again I think. How the hell can anyone, any human, do this to another human and still think of themselves as civilized?
Religion aside, what kind of monster could possibly think this was a good idea. How did they sleep with the fact they killed innocent people?

I'll never, ever, understand the mentality that went into the holocaust. It's the worst of humanity.

It's really fairly easy to successfully portray entire demographic groups as, by definition, not innocent and therefore deserving of whatever hateful thing you can do to them. And it takes only a few steps and a few public relations campaigns to institutionalize it.

I understand the indoctrination process. What I don't understand is how individuals co-operate on mass murder willingly. I get how one deranged individual takes it into their head to commit a crime, I don't get how you find a group of unrelated people buying into the idea that the solution is to torture/murder a group of people who have never personally harmed you.

It's not conditioning. It must be something else. Even simple indoctrination or education couldn't convince rational or apparently rational people to murder or allow to be murdered children, women and men who haven't done them physical harm.

I'm not naive. I'm just not wired to hate people enough to kill anyone in a premeditated fashion based on ideology.

I don't like a lot of people, based on personal experience. In my case, I don't like stupidity and willful ignorance. I can't imagine that as a criteria for rounding up lots of people and murdering them.


One has only to look at how WE treated Japanese people living in the US during WWII. The Japanese had been vilified, and lots of US citizens took out their hatred on the innocents living here. we even rounded them up into camps. We stopped short of genocide, which is the only thing different between 1940s USA and the Nazis.
 
2014-01-08 04:16:20 PM

indarwinsshadow: Jekylman: indarwinsshadow: Some it is available from PBS


I just watched it, and again I think. How the hell can anyone, any human, do this to another human and still think of themselves as civilized?
Religion aside, what kind of monster could possibly think this was a good idea. How did they sleep with the fact they killed innocent people?

I'll never, ever, understand the mentality that went into the holocaust. It's the worst of humanity.

It's really fairly easy to successfully portray entire demographic groups as, by definition, not innocent and therefore deserving of whatever hateful thing you can do to them. And it takes only a few steps and a few public relations campaigns to institutionalize it.

I understand the indoctrination process. What I don't understand is how individuals co-operate on mass murder willingly. I get how one deranged individual takes it into their head to commit a crime, I don't get how you find a group of unrelated people buying into the idea that the solution is to torture/murder a group of people who have never personally harmed you.

It's not conditioning. It must be something else. Even simple indoctrination or education couldn't convince rational or apparently rational people to murder or allow to be murdered children, women and men who haven't done them physical harm.

I'm not naive. I'm just not wired to hate people enough to kill anyone in a premeditated fashion based on ideology.

I don't like a lot of people, based on personal experience. In my case, I don't like stupidity and willful ignorance. I can't imagine that as a criteria for rounding up lots of people and murdering them.


Also, you have to remember was that if you didn't tow the line(even once), Nazis would investigate your ass.

If any of your family could have traceable Jewish(or other unwanted) ancestry- boom!- prison camp for you, prison camp for your family, prison camp for your cow...

If you were 1/32 (back 3 generations) you had a yellow star on your arm, with eventual extermination.

Not that I think you show cave in to extortion, but hey- it's understandable. And that's why it's so scary.
 
2014-01-08 04:19:59 PM

theflatline: Jews being the most persecuted people in the history of the world is a myth perpetrated by the Hollywood Judiac cult, they run the media and the cinema and have for years lent credence to the lies about the being slaves in Egypt, being expelled from most European countries, the Inquisition,  and the boldest lie of all, the Holocaust.


0/10 -- You forgot about them eating Christian babies.
 
2014-01-08 04:21:41 PM

Loreweaver: indarwinsshadow: Jekylman: indarwinsshadow: Some it is available from PBS


I just watched it, and again I think. How the hell can anyone, any human, do this to another human and still think of themselves as civilized?
Religion aside, what kind of monster could possibly think this was a good idea. How did they sleep with the fact they killed innocent people?

I'll never, ever, understand the mentality that went into the holocaust. It's the worst of humanity.

It's really fairly easy to successfully portray entire demographic groups as, by definition, not innocent and therefore deserving of whatever hateful thing you can do to them. And it takes only a few steps and a few public relations campaigns to institutionalize it.

I understand the indoctrination process. What I don't understand is how individuals co-operate on mass murder willingly. I get how one deranged individual takes it into their head to commit a crime, I don't get how you find a group of unrelated people buying into the idea that the solution is to torture/murder a group of people who have never personally harmed you.

It's not conditioning. It must be something else. Even simple indoctrination or education couldn't convince rational or apparently rational people to murder or allow to be murdered children, women and men who haven't done them physical harm.

I'm not naive. I'm just not wired to hate people enough to kill anyone in a premeditated fashion based on ideology.

I don't like a lot of people, based on personal experience. In my case, I don't like stupidity and willful ignorance. I can't imagine that as a criteria for rounding up lots of people and murdering them.

One has only to look at how WE treated Japanese people living in the US during WWII. The Japanese had been vilified, and lots of US citizens took out their hatred on the innocents living here. we even rounded them up into camps. We stopped short of genocide, which is the only thing different between 1940s USA and the Nazis.


I think we also fed them, and the larger problem was boredom/not knowing what was going to happen. Not sure about the forced labor aspect, though, on our side.

Not that it was right to do, but they didn't have internet trace-ability back then, and the Japanese were scary about knowing our military weaknesses, as they were not supposed to have access to inside intel. :\

Not a good solution at all, but seemingly the only one they had at the time. :(

I has a sad, now.
 
2014-01-08 04:22:51 PM

InterruptingQuirk: How much of this thread about the Holocaust will speak exclusively about the 6 million Jews that lost their lives, and not one mention of the 5-6 million ethnic Poles, Roma and Belarusians, and the tens and hundreds of thousands each of Serbs, Slavs, Jehovah Witnesses, African descent, Mentally Handicapped, Homosexuals, Bosnians, Albanians, Freemasons, and Slovenes persons that were murdered in the concentration camps and elsewhere with the same purpose of extermination?


Because only one of those groups controls the media?
 
2014-01-08 04:26:49 PM

Prey4reign: theflatline: Jews being the most persecuted people in the history of the world is a myth perpetrated by the Hollywood Judiac cult, they run the media and the cinema and have for years lent credence to the lies about the being slaves in Egypt, being expelled from most European countries, the Inquisition,  and the boldest lie of all, the Holocaust.

0/10 -- You forgot about them eating Christian babies.


Ugh. Now instead of ignoring him I have to look at his quote again, and you're trying to inflate his previous statement.
You get -5/10.
 
2014-01-08 04:26:50 PM

theflatline: Jews being the most persecuted people in the history of the world is a myth perpetrated by the Hollywood Judiac cult, they run the media and the cinema and have for years lent credence to the lies about the being slaves in Egypt, being expelled from most European countries, the Inquisition,  and the boldest lie of all, the Holocaust.


Come on, we can't ignore that the Jews were kicked out of Egypt, Germany, Israel, Russia, etc.

What we should be talking about is how big of an asshole the jews must be that nobody wants them around!

I mean, if you have a problem with literally everyone, maybe the problem is you? I think we need to have an intervention with the jews and get them to tone it down a bit.
 
2014-01-08 04:28:49 PM

LemSkroob: theflatline: Jews being the most persecuted people in the history of the world is a myth perpetrated by the Hollywood Judiac cult, they run the media and the cinema and have for years lent credence to the lies about the being slaves in Egypt, being expelled from most European countries, the Inquisition,  and the boldest lie of all, the Holocaust.

Come on, we can't ignore that the Jews were kicked out of Egypt, Germany, Israel, Russia, etc.

What we should be talking about is how big of an asshole the jews must be that nobody wants them around!

I mean, if you have a problem with literally everyone, maybe the problem is you? I think we need to have an intervention with the jews and get them to tone it down a bit.


To hear them tell it, it's because they're the chosen people. Who knows? Given the scumbag level of the Protestant :loving" God, I can totally believe that Yaweh is totally trolling them.
 
2014-01-08 04:34:15 PM

tlars699: Prey4reign: theflatline: Jews being the most persecuted people in the history of the world is a myth perpetrated by the Hollywood Judiac cult, they run the media and the cinema and have for years lent credence to the lies about the being slaves in Egypt, being expelled from most European countries, the Inquisition,  and the boldest lie of all, the Holocaust.

0/10 -- You forgot about them eating Christian babies.

Ugh. Now instead of ignoring him I have to look at his quote again, and you're trying to inflate his previous statement.
You get -5/10.


Thank god for the inquisition and the Germans or my family would not have left Spain and headed for Colombia, Venezuela, Argentina, the Caribbean, and Louisiana.

It aint easy be green.

/or Jewish, Sicilian, Colombian... my family schlepped a lotta miles in their time.  Grandfather was even what they called a cryptojew.
 
2014-01-08 04:41:44 PM

theflatline: tlars699: Prey4reign: theflatline: Jews being the most persecuted people in the history of the world is a myth perpetrated by the Hollywood Judiac cult, they run the media and the cinema and have for years lent credence to the lies about the being slaves in Egypt, being expelled from most European countries, the Inquisition,  and the boldest lie of all, the Holocaust.

0/10 -- You forgot about them eating Christian babies.

Ugh. Now instead of ignoring him I have to look at his quote again, and you're trying to inflate his previous statement.
You get -5/10.

Thank god for the inquisition and the Germans or my family would not have left Spain and headed for Colombia, Venezuela, Argentina, the Caribbean, and Louisiana.

It aint easy be green.

/or Jewish, Sicilian, Colombian... my family schlepped a lotta miles in their time.  Grandfather was even what they called a cryptojew.



Everyone knows cryptojews are make-believe like nessie, bigfoot or eskimos.
 
2014-01-08 05:00:36 PM

tlars699: Loreweaver: indarwinsshadow: Jekylman: indarwinsshadow: Some it is available from PBS


I just watched it, and again I think. How the hell can anyone, any human, do this to another human and still think of themselves as civilized?
Religion aside, what kind of monster could possibly think this was a good idea. How did they sleep with the fact they killed innocent people?

I'll never, ever, understand the mentality that went into the holocaust. It's the worst of humanity.

It's really fairly easy to successfully portray entire demographic groups as, by definition, not innocent and therefore deserving of whatever hateful thing you can do to them. And it takes only a few steps and a few public relations campaigns to institutionalize it.

I understand the indoctrination process. What I don't understand is how individuals co-operate on mass murder willingly. I get how one deranged individual takes it into their head to commit a crime, I don't get how you find a group of unrelated people buying into the idea that the solution is to torture/murder a group of people who have never personally harmed you.

It's not conditioning. It must be something else. Even simple indoctrination or education couldn't convince rational or apparently rational people to murder or allow to be murdered children, women and men who haven't done them physical harm.

I'm not naive. I'm just not wired to hate people enough to kill anyone in a premeditated fashion based on ideology.

I don't like a lot of people, based on personal experience. In my case, I don't like stupidity and willful ignorance. I can't imagine that as a criteria for rounding up lots of people and murdering them.

One has only to look at how WE treated Japanese people living in the US during WWII. The Japanese had been vilified, and lots of US citizens took out their hatred on the innocents living here. we even rounded them up into camps. We stopped short of genocide, which is the only thing different between 1940s USA and the Naz ...


I know we fed them and such, same as we do for POWs that we detained. The problem I have with the situation was, they were civilians, not POWs. There was a lot of hatred back then towards the Japanese. Between this and the US Eugenics program, It's scary to think how close we came to emulating the Nazi's we were supposed to be fighting against.
 
2014-01-08 05:07:47 PM

Keeve: battery1979: Wasn't Anne Frank deaf, dumb, and mute 'til the miracle worker came and slapped some sense into her?

Yes, and she played a mean pinball.


Who?
 
2014-01-08 05:24:14 PM

tlars699: indarwinsshadow: I don't like a lot of people, based on personal experience. In my case, I don't like stupidity and willful ignorance. I can't imagine that as a criteria for rounding up lots of people and murdering them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment

Por vous...



As if anyone is going to take the word of such a tiny experiment.
 
2014-01-08 05:28:32 PM

LeroyBourne: Mudd's woman: LeroyBourne: I'll watch it, but I will only compare it to Salo.  If it's more disturbing than that I'll be impressed.

This may be a dumb question, but I'm curious as to why that film would be "Not Rated" as opposed to, well, "X" (NC17 nowadays?)?

I don't know.  Haven't seen it in years.  Once was enough.  Maybe European movies get a free pass?
/I do know that Man Bites Dog is still banned in most of Europe, so it's hard to make the discern for what's reasonable to ban and what is not.


Movies have to be submitted to the MPAA to receive a rating. If the distributor never submitted it, then it never got a rating. Indie and foreign films that expect to get a NC17 will frequently avoid asking for a rating in order to avoid the stigma.
 
2014-01-08 05:31:55 PM

GungFu: If anyone is interested in Hollywood film directors filming concentration camps, here's Billy Wilder in Buchenwald.

I never knew this before. It's kinda weird to see the future director of Some Like It Hot filming emaciated prisoners.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJFvDQwDKFw


The comments section to that video makes me a tad suicidal.
 
2014-01-08 05:42:24 PM

BizarreMan: I would have been more disturbed if Hitchcock hadn't been traumatized by the film.


Actually, I find that most disturbing of all.
 
2014-01-08 05:46:40 PM
I try not to think about it. Hogan's heroes is easier to watch when you don't realize that Schultz probably killed hundreds of people through Pow starvation. Well the Pow's that weren't worth trading anyway.
 
2014-01-08 06:10:01 PM

durbnpoisn: BizarreMan: I would have been more disturbed if Hitchcock hadn't been traumatized by the film.

Yeah, man...  That's really saying something.
On that same note...  If there were anyone that could likely make the holocaust even more horrific, it would be Hitchcock.


Good evening.  Tonight's story involves a man, a plan, and  box cars. Sit back and enjoy the show.  And do try to take your shower BEFORE you watch.
 
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