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(Vice)   I hope you enjoyed that RedTube streaming video because it was hosted illegally and now you owe us $350 for watching it   (motherboard.vice.com) divider line 66
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2014-01-08 11:35:49 AM
Oh, dear.
 
2014-01-08 11:37:24 AM
As he said/........    As the blog  BGR points out, RedTube users can't easily tell whether a video has been hosted legally or illegally-so how can they protect themselves from accidentally breaking copyright laws?
 
2014-01-08 11:45:46 AM

colinspooky: As he said/........    As the blog  BGR points out, RedTube users can't easily tell whether a video has been hosted legally or illegally-so how can they protect themselves from accidentally breaking copyright laws?


SImilar lawsuits like this in the US, aimed at people who were accused of downloading porn, were more or less blackmail attempts.  "If you pay us $200 now, no one will know you downloaded 'All Asian Twink Creampie Extravaganza 14'."  Even if you didn't (because you saw 1-13 and the series has been declining in quality with each new release), it might be worth it under certain circumstances to not have that accusation made against you.
 
2014-01-08 11:45:49 AM
I think I may have watched more than one, by mistake of course.
 
2014-01-08 11:45:50 AM
Well, there goes the kids' college fund.
 
2014-01-08 11:48:25 AM

vygramul: Oh, dear GOD

.
 
2014-01-08 11:48:26 AM

jake_lex: colinspooky: As he said/........    As the blog  BGR points out, RedTube users can't easily tell whether a video has been hosted legally or illegally-so how can they protect themselves from accidentally breaking copyright laws?

SImilar lawsuits like this in the US, aimed at people who were accused of downloading porn, were more or less blackmail attempts.  "If you pay us $200 now, no one will know you downloaded 'All Asian Twink Creampie Extravaganza 14'."  Even if you didn't (because you saw 1-13 and the series has been declining in quality with each new release), it might be worth it under certain circumstances to not have that accusation made against you.


13 and 14 weren't good, but 12 was the best one IMHO. I especially enjoyed the short "Take Out" as part of the bonus scenes.
 
2014-01-08 11:49:27 AM
Possibly my worst nightmare.
 
2014-01-08 11:49:38 AM
As long as they don't go after Tube8, I'm good.
 
2014-01-08 11:51:27 AM

colinspooky: As he said/........    As the blog  BGR points out, RedTube users can't easily tell whether a video has been hosted legally or illegally-so how can they protect themselves from accidentally breaking copyright laws?


because lawyers.
 
2014-01-08 11:51:52 AM
FTFA: "Until the legal kinks of streaming copyrighted..."

/snerk
 
2014-01-08 11:54:28 AM
 
2014-01-08 11:57:28 AM
Wow... imagine the absolute shatstorm this would cause if just LOOKING at illegally uploaded stuff opened you up to lawsuits....

It got thrown out, but the instant someone gets pinched and court ordered to pay because they unknowingly viewed an illegally uploaded video is the day that the internet dies.
 
2014-01-08 11:57:38 AM
I have AT&T so I know they will never turn over my name when some lawyer comes looking.
 
2014-01-08 12:00:14 PM
Oh dis gun be gud.
 
2014-01-08 12:01:08 PM
TFA asks where they got the IP addresses, but it never quite touches on how they got their mailing addresses from that.
 
2014-01-08 12:03:02 PM

Charlie Chingas: jake_lex: colinspooky: As he said/........    As the blog  BGR points out, RedTube users can't easily tell whether a video has been hosted legally or illegally-so how can they protect themselves from accidentally breaking copyright laws?

SImilar lawsuits like this in the US, aimed at people who were accused of downloading porn, were more or less blackmail attempts.  "If you pay us $200 now, no one will know you downloaded 'All Asian Twink Creampie Extravaganza 14'."  Even if you didn't (because you saw 1-13 and the series has been declining in quality with each new release), it might be worth it under certain circumstances to not have that accusation made against you.

13 and 14 weren't good, but 12 was the best one IMHO. I especially enjoyed the short "Take Out" as part of the bonus scenes.


If you can find it, the "Gag Reel" on 12 is totally worth it.
 
2014-01-08 12:09:04 PM

Fireproof: TFA asks where they got the IP addresses, but it never quite touches on how they got their mailing addresses from that.


Apparently the lawyers misled the court in their motion to request release of that information by the ISP. As a result, they are now being investigated for perjury (since the motions are the equivalent of sworn statements). As stated above, the court has already reversed its ruling and a restraining order was issued against the lawyers in question, banning them from sending any more threatening letters.

Moreover, the company that allegedly captured the IP addresses in the first place, along with the lawyers, are being investigated for computer tampering and violating Germany's Telecommunications Act, because the only way they could capture the IP addresses was to route them through some dodgy servers before delivering them to the RedTube page.

Personally, I hope the lawyers involved are sentenced to a steady stream of malware routed through their backdoors very soon.
 
2014-01-08 12:11:42 PM
All the streaming sites have a DMCA disclaimer at the bottom, so plead innocent, as the copyright mafia must of approved all the videos on the streaming sites, as the videos are still there.

/trans Pacific Partnership will make streaming a crime.
//Embed 'instant on' illegal videos in your webpages and get a share of the copyright mafias profits from your business arrangement.
 
2014-01-08 12:12:15 PM

Spike Lee's Favorite Farker: I have AT&T so I know they will never turn over my name when some lawyer comes looking.


Don't be so sure...AT&T is already part of the six strikes program. Not sure if that means they will give away your information on strike 7, but I wouldn't be so sure that they would never give away your information.

Source: http://readwrite.com/2013/03/12/isp-six-strikes-anti-piracy-system-in f ographic#awesm=~osnf3XgEIBhwOF
 
2014-01-08 12:15:39 PM
sheep snorter:

/trans Pacific Partnership will make streaming a crime.

Because of your computers buffer holding on to  at least 10 seconds(temporarily) of the video
 
2014-01-08 12:17:51 PM

Vodka Zombie: Charlie Chingas: jake_lex: colinspooky: As he said/........    As the blog  BGR points out, RedTube users can't easily tell whether a video has been hosted legally or illegally-so how can they protect themselves from accidentally breaking copyright laws?

SImilar lawsuits like this in the US, aimed at people who were accused of downloading porn, were more or less blackmail attempts.  "If you pay us $200 now, no one will know you downloaded 'All Asian Twink Creampie Extravaganza 14'."  Even if you didn't (because you saw 1-13 and the series has been declining in quality with each new release), it might be worth it under certain circumstances to not have that accusation made against you.

13 and 14 weren't good, but 12 was the best one IMHO. I especially enjoyed the short "Take Out" as part of the bonus scenes.

If you can find it, the "Gag Reel" on 12 is totally worth it.



Eww. As jokes go, that was low hanging fruit.


/Low Hanging Fruit IX, from the producers of "Tim and Carl's Houseboat Party".
 
2014-01-08 12:18:03 PM
oops, someone wasn't using Linux.
 
2014-01-08 12:18:13 PM
I'm going to suggest that this was a setup by the lawfirm and the video maker.
 
2014-01-08 12:19:55 PM
the key word in the entire article is 'lawyers'.
 
2014-01-08 12:20:44 PM

Spike Lee's Favorite Farker: I have AT&T so I know they will never turn over my name when some lawyer comes looking.



lol.    yea, AT&T always does the right thing.
 
2014-01-08 12:24:02 PM
Yikes, I'm on Redtube a lot.

/don't judge me
 
2014-01-08 12:25:21 PM

Crewmannumber6: Yikes, I'm on Redtube a lot.

/don't judge me


We'll leave that to the Germans
 
2014-01-08 12:26:54 PM
This is TERRIFYING.  So, I wank it when the Mrs. is out of town or not in the mood, and then I come home from work one day to a letter telling me to pay up because I watched (insert, heh, embarassing title here)?!  I'm a lawyer and even I'm offended!
 
2014-01-08 12:32:14 PM
Noobs, that's why you open up an incognito window.
 
2014-01-08 12:42:40 PM

sheep snorter: /trans Pacific Partnership will make streaming a crime.


We don't know what's in TPP, but we know what's in TPP?
 
2014-01-08 12:42:54 PM
Fireproof
TFA asks where they got the IP addresses, but it never quite touches on how they got their mailing addresses from that.


They got the real addresses by lying to the court, making it sound like they were after P2P file sharers and not stream watchers.

As for the IP addresses, I remember reading two theories:

One theory (or rather, a guess) was: by buying ads on redtube via a service that doesn't scrub IPs before giving analytical data to the customer.

The better one (from memory, might be a slightly incorrect summary):
A German blogger did a lot of investigating and dug up that the lawyers registered domains like "redtube.net" at the same time as they acquired the rights to that handful of porn videos (it's not the porn company that originally made those movies. the rights were bought from then).
They then made redtube.net redirecte to redtube.com and spammed redtube.net-links for their videos.
That way they could collect the IPs of all the people who clicked on the redtube.net links before they got forwarded to the videos on .com.

There were also some nice graphs about how the viewing figures of the redtube clips had radically increased within days after the rights to those clips were bought and redtube.net went live.

To the court the scumbags provided and "expert" testimony by an IT "company" that the IPs were collected with the company's specialized $randomName software without giving details (remember, they made it sound like they went after P2P sharers and there are companies with software for collecting P2P IP addresses).

It didn't take that investigative guy long (a whois/nslookup) to figure out that the IT company's website was using the same hosting service and server as the lawyers website (or the redtube.net site, I don't remember and am too lazy to google). Looking at the HTML of those two sites, he discovered that the sites were both created by using the hosting service's website creation toolkit and the generated website code of both sites happened to contain the same account id...
 
2014-01-08 12:47:50 PM
Has anyone pointed out yet that you could simply refuse?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Bueller?
 
ecl
2014-01-08 12:48:57 PM

runningesq: This is TERRIFYING.  So, I wank it when the Mrs. is out of town or not in the mood, and then I come home from work one day to a letter telling me to pay up because I watched

Clowntime Trannny Fannies Volume 3 .  ?!  I'm a lawyer and even I'm offended!
 
2014-01-08 12:54:48 PM
Come try and pry that $350 out of my hairy, sticky palms.
 
2014-01-08 01:05:59 PM
Don't know about anyone else, but if I get a letter from Germany saying I owe them $300 for watching porn, there's only one place that letter is going to go...

www.better-resume-better-job.com
 
2014-01-08 01:08:48 PM
I swear all that Tijuana tranny donkey porn is my roomates!
 
2014-01-08 01:09:54 PM

zappaisfrank: Don't know about anyone else, but if I get a letter from Germany saying I owe them $300 for watching porn, there's only one place that letter is going to go...

[www.better-resume-better-job.com image 165x240]


Honestly, I would be tempted to frame it.
 
2014-01-08 01:13:24 PM

zappaisfrank: Don't know about anyone else, but if I get a letter from Germany saying I owe them $300 for watching porn, there's only one place that letter is going to go...

[www.better-resume-better-job.com image 165x240]


Damn dude, how many letters from Germany are you getting?
 
2014-01-08 01:13:52 PM
Who the hell DOWNLOADS porn???
Why?
What's wrong with simply hitting the PLAY button...watching...then letting it go away...
Clean your cookies, your browser history, then go about your day.

Why would you want that porn hanging around on your PC?

Streaming works just fine.
 
2014-01-08 01:17:47 PM

MagicBoris: zappaisfrank: Don't know about anyone else, but if I get a letter from Germany saying I owe them $300 for watching porn, there's only one place that letter is going to go...

[www.better-resume-better-job.com image 165x240]

Honestly, I would be tempted to frame it.


At first I thought that was a pic of a wastebasket of used kleenex. Would of seemed appropriate.
 
2014-01-08 01:19:26 PM

halfpastnvr: Spike Lee's Favorite Farker: I have AT&T so I know they will never turn over my name when some lawyer comes looking.

Don't be so sure...AT&T is already part of the six strikes program. Not sure if that means they will give away your information on strike 7, but I wouldn't be so sure that they would never give away your information.

Source: http://readwrite.com/2013/03/12/isp-six-strikes-anti-piracy-system-in f ographic#awesm=~osnf3XgEIBhwOF


Every carrier will comply with law enforcement requests.  AT&T, specifically, will make a copy of everything they have on you for expressly that purpose.
 
2014-01-08 01:28:10 PM

Rawhead Rex: Who the hell DOWNLOADS porn???
Why?
What's wrong with simply hitting the PLAY button...watching...then letting it go away...
Clean your cookies, your browser history, then go about your day.

Why would you want that porn hanging around on your PC?

Streaming works just fine.


Terrabyte drives are your friends, especially passworded ones so the wife doesn't bust you.
 
2014-01-08 01:29:14 PM
oh dear.......looks like I better pull that box of VHS tapes outta storage
 
2014-01-08 01:30:56 PM

Rawhead Rex: Who the hell DOWNLOADS porn???
Why?
What's wrong with simply hitting the PLAY button...watching...then letting it go away...
Clean your cookies, your browser history, then go about your day.

Why would you want that porn hanging around on your PC?

Streaming works just fine.


Try reading the farking article before commenting: RedTube is a streaming service. The lawyers were trying to go after users who streamed videos that were uploaded to RedTube without permission.
 
2014-01-08 01:34:55 PM
You want $350 from me?

s2.quickmeme.com
 
2014-01-08 01:44:59 PM
Can't wait until they have to play the "smurf farkfeast" in court as evidence against me.
 
2014-01-08 01:55:53 PM
Working on behalf of Swiss company The Archive AG, lawyers Urmann and Company (U+C) have sent out warning letters to thousands of porn fans asking them to pay €250 (nearly $350) for streaming certain copyrighted clips.

I may not be the world's hardest man, but if you're going to attempt to rob me you're still going to need to come armed with something a bit more dangerous than a stern request.
 
2014-01-08 02:09:15 PM
Oh, I'll write you a check, but it'll smell like B.O. and hand lotion.
 
2014-01-08 02:25:07 PM

zappaisfrank: Terrabyte drives are your friends, especially passworded ones so the wife doesn't bust you.


or just get a wife that doesn't care if you watch porn.

my porn collection is in a folder called "pron".  it is right there on the root of the drive, not encrypted, and the wife is as likely to go looking in there as I am for fap timez.

/damn prudish women.
 
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