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(Yahoo)   I say now, I say now, I say what's the big idea? That coach looks nothing like Jon Gruden   (sports.yahoo.com) divider line 68
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2014-01-08 09:15:19 AM  
So, if Gruden absolutely didn't want to be the coach... WTF was Texas supposed to do?    Offer him $20 million a year to coach?
 
2014-01-08 09:23:59 AM  
"This here's MAH football team, y'all best listen up!"
 
2014-01-08 10:27:02 AM  
Seems like a pretty simple solution to the problem. You want to have final, absolute authority over who does or does not get hired as the team's coach? Go back to owning a professional sports team.
 
2014-01-08 10:34:02 AM  
Gruden is not going back into college coaching. He didn't like the recruiting grind when he was a graduate assistant at UT (Tennessee, not Texas). He could have been the head coach at Tennessee, and it would have been a logical fit because his wife is from Knoxville and they own a house there, but he didn't do it. Stop it with Gruden. ESPN pays him buckets of money to man the booth of MNF. If you are a college fan or a college booster, stop drinking the Gruden Kool-Aid. You'll only wake up with a nasty hangover and a head coach who is not John Gruden.

That said, I like Charlie Strong but I am somewhat surprised by this hire.
 
2014-01-08 11:21:59 AM  
Ol' Red is crazy senile if he thinks there was a chance of Gruden taking that gig.
 
2014-01-08 01:27:29 PM  

exick: Seems like a pretty simple solution to the problem. You want to have final, absolute authority over who does or does not get hired as the team's coach? Go back to owning a professional sports team.


Texas boosters do. Patterson must think he's found a loophole in the deal.
 
2014-01-08 01:50:18 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: exick: Seems like a pretty simple solution to the problem. You want to have final, absolute authority over who does or does not get hired as the team's coach? Go back to owning a professional sports team.

Texas boosters do. Patterson must think he's found a loophole in the deal.


I saw him mention boosters in the article, but I figured it was just some weird Texas term.  It's actually a thing?
 
2014-01-08 02:20:45 PM  

Nabb1: Gruden is not going back into college coaching. He didn't like the recruiting grind when he was a graduate assistant at UT (Tennessee, not Texas). He could have been the head coach at Tennessee, and it would have been a logical fit because his wife is from Knoxville and they own a house there, but he didn't do it. Stop it with Gruden. ESPN pays him buckets of money to man the booth of MNF. If you are a college fan or a college booster, stop drinking the Gruden Kool-Aid.


All that. He's got a sweet gig now. He's not going back to the college grind.
 
2014-01-08 02:23:09 PM  
Sir!  I say Sir!  You have offended my delicate sensibilities by not hiring Chucky.
 
2014-01-08 02:25:01 PM  
Red is an idiot, Charlie Strong is probably the best hire they could hope for.
 
2014-01-08 02:25:03 PM  

The Onion is prophetic: rumpelstiltskin: exick: Seems like a pretty simple solution to the problem. You want to have final, absolute authority over who does or does not get hired as the team's coach? Go back to owning a professional sports team.

Texas boosters do. Patterson must think he's found a loophole in the deal.

I saw him mention boosters in the article, but I figured it was just some weird Texas term.  It's actually a thing?


Boosters are rich individuals (mostly alumni of that school) that donate a lot of money to the school/athletic department. When they donate 200 mil to build a new gym for the football team they start thinking that their opinion should have a sway in the decision that the school makes.

Boosters also provide benefits/cash to star players although it is harder now than it used to.
 
2014-01-08 02:28:03 PM  

The Onion is prophetic: I saw him mention boosters in the article, but I figured it was just some weird Texas term. It's actually a thing?


They are at every major university, they are just more vocal at southern schools since they feel they want something for the millions they donate.
 
WGJ
2014-01-08 02:28:20 PM  
I'm glad to see racism is alive and well in the good ol boy network, I was getting a little worried.
 
2014-01-08 02:29:37 PM  

ddam: The Onion is prophetic: rumpelstiltskin: exick: Seems like a pretty simple solution to the problem. You want to have final, absolute authority over who does or does not get hired as the team's coach? Go back to owning a professional sports team.

Texas boosters do. Patterson must think he's found a loophole in the deal.

I saw him mention boosters in the article, but I figured it was just some weird Texas term.  It's actually a thing?

Boosters are rich individuals (mostly alumni of that school) that donate a lot of money to the school/athletic department. When they donate 200 mil to build a new gym for the football team they start thinking that their opinion should have a sway in the decision that the school makes.

Boosters also provide benefits/cash to star players although it is harder now than it used to.



I wish I were wealthy just so I could make some proper "donations" so my alma mater's basketball team would actually play well and get into March Madness.

IIRC, it's been over ten years.
 
2014-01-08 02:33:54 PM  

WGJ: I'm glad to see racism is alive and well in the good ol boy network, I was getting a little worried.


Why blow the racism dog whistle on McCombs?  Did I miss something?
 
2014-01-08 02:34:41 PM  
This hire reeks of desperation.  Maybe because the dumb-asses couldn't keep their mouths shut about who they were targeting.  Saban, Harbaugh, Sumlin, Fisher, Mora, Briles, Gruden, Shaw.  Did I miss anyone.  Do your business is private and you can lie and claim you got your man.
 
2014-01-08 02:36:22 PM  
All these Longhorn asshats here in Austin were freaking out about the hiring of Charlie Strong when the news broke. After they took a little time to realize what the man has done over the last few years with Louisville they changed their collective tune.
 
2014-01-08 02:38:17 PM  

The Onion is prophetic: I saw him mention boosters in the article, but I figured it was just some weird Texas term. It's actually a thing?


Oh yes.  Rich folks that buy influence and decision-making power at universities.  You know all those armchair quarterbacks that criticize sports decisions and bluster about it for the whole season?  Well, if you're a big enough asshole and have enough money, you can actually be an armchair quarterback with power to push the things you want.  Just drop several million a year to the university of your choice, and you can influence all sorts of things.  You can rewrite curriculum, change policy, affect hiring/firing decisions, and if you're a sports fan, you can influence recruiting, coaching choices, and even AD hires.

And these guys get pissy when the university decides to go a different way.
 
2014-01-08 02:45:59 PM  

Analgesic: WGJ: I'm glad to see racism is alive and well in the good ol boy network, I was getting a little worried.

Why blow the racism dog whistle on McCombs?  Did I miss something?


Just that you were on Fark. Ha.
 
2014-01-08 02:48:07 PM  

Analgesic: WGJ: I'm glad to see racism is alive and well in the good ol boy network, I was getting a little worried.

Why blow the racism dog whistle on McCombs?  Did I miss something?


"McCombs said Texas got the selection ''wrong'' and that Strong would be a good position coach or coordinator."

Dude just went 12-1, smoked Muschamp in last year's Sugar Bowl, and McCombs thinks he's only good enough to be the help.

Had Texas hired Muschamp, even if McCombs had disagreed with the hire, he wouldn't have said that Will was only good enough to be a position coach.
 
2014-01-08 02:48:15 PM  

ddam: The Onion is prophetic: rumpelstiltskin: exick: Seems like a pretty simple solution to the problem. You want to have final, absolute authority over who does or does not get hired as the team's coach? Go back to owning a professional sports team.

Texas boosters do. Patterson must think he's found a loophole in the deal.

I saw him mention boosters in the article, but I figured it was just some weird Texas term.  It's actually a thing?

Boosters are rich individuals (mostly alumni of that school) that donate a lot of money to the school/athletic department. When they donate 200 mil to build a new gym for the football team they start thinking that their opinion should have a sway in the decision that the school makes.

Boosters also provide benefits/cash to star players although it is harder now than it used to.


It's not just that. In some cases, boosters will personally pay to buy off the rest of a contract of a coach that is being fired, or to pay for the buyout clause or signing bonus of a coach they want hired.
 
2014-01-08 02:52:01 PM  

Analgesic: WGJ: I'm glad to see racism is alive and well in the good ol boy network, I was getting a little worried.

Why blow the racism dog whistle on McCombs?  Did I miss something?


Check out McCombs's quote about Strong's "place." He said he would be a good position coach or MAYBE a coordinator, but he shouldn't head one of the top 3 most powerful programs in the country.

Read that quote, then re-read it. Then realize that Charlie Strong was D coordinator at Florida for 2 national campions and was head coach at a school who won a BCS bowl game.
 
2014-01-08 02:53:01 PM  
Always feel bad when some insanely rich person doesn't get their every whim and desire fulfilled at a moment's notice.  It's a true travesty.
 
2014-01-08 03:02:45 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: Check out McCombs's quote about Strong's "place." He said he would be a good position coach or MAYBE a coordinator, but he shouldn't head one of the top 3 most powerful programs in the country.

Read that quote, then re-read it. Then realize that Charlie Strong was D coordinator at Florida for 2 national campions and was head coach at a school who won a BCS bowl game.


Well yeah but most thought he was a stretch to coach at UL too, hes regarded as a defensive guru but not much else and his BCS win was against a lackluster florida team, UGA should have been there to give the best game but alumni screamed they deserve to be there since UGA lost. They wanted it they got it, against a coach who knew their tendencies.
 
2014-01-08 03:10:38 PM  

steamingpile: Well yeah but most thought he was a stretch to coach at UL too, hes regarded as a defensive guru but not much else and his BCS win was against a lackluster florida team, UGA should have been there to give the best game but alumni screamed they deserve to be there since UGA lost. They wanted it they got it, against a coach who knew their tendencies.


A few things here, in no particular order:

First off, Louisville was coming off the Kragthorpe debacle. Anyone who thought that a man who had been the DC of 2 National Champions wasn't qualified to coach that program was, simply, a moron. And most likely a racist. "In Kentucky? No way!" Yeah, as someone who grew up in the Commonwealth, I can safely tell you that there are some racists in Kentucky.

Second, shut up about UGA. Talk about an irrelevant program. You're the Clemson of the SEC. In fact, if Clemson and UGA switched places, nothing would change for either program. You're a pair of losers, you never live up to the hype, and nobody cares about you.
 
2014-01-08 03:11:21 PM  

Gonz: Had Texas hired Muschamp, even if McCombs had disagreed with the hire, he wouldn't have said that Will was only good enough to be a position coach.


*Looks at Florida's record*

I dunno, there's a strong case to be made that that's the case. Now, I dunno if McCombs would say it, as I've never heard of the guy until now, but it's possible.
 
2014-01-08 03:14:24 PM  

steamingpile: Well yeah but most thought he was a stretch to coach at UL too, hes regarded as a defensive guru but not much else and his BCS win was against a lackluster florida team, UGA should have been there to give the best game but alumni screamed they deserve to be there since UGA lost. They wanted it they got it, against a coach who knew their tendencies.


And absolutely none of that matters.  You can make excuses for any coach for or against them as to who they got to play, whether they were "considered" ready for the job, etc.  He delivered at Florida, where his defense was critical in two national championships.  He went to Louisville, and went from 7-6 his first year and improving to a 12-1 program in four seasons, winning 2 conference titles and the Sugar Bowl.

That's success, pure and simple.  He was primed to get a shot in a major program as head coach.
 
2014-01-08 03:19:57 PM  
Red, you hired Mike Tice so kindly STFU
 
2014-01-08 03:24:34 PM  

Gonz: First off, Louisville was coming off the Kragthorpe debacle. Anyone who thought that a man who had been the DC of 2 National Champions wasn't qualified to coach that program was, simply, a moron. And most likely a racist. "In Kentucky? No way!" Yeah, as someone who grew up in the Commonwealth, I can safely tell you that there are some racists in Kentucky.


It is what others were saying, relax francis.

Gonz: Second, shut up about UGA. Talk about an irrelevant program. You're the Clemson of the SEC. In fact, if Clemson and UGA switched places, nothing would change for either program. You're a pair of losers, you never live up to the hype, and nobody cares about you.


Again, relax. Like it or not they are relevant and will most likely be in the top 10-15 again in the preseason(warranted or not) and Gurley will be mentioned as a heisman contender, that is if he makes it through the off season trouble free. Also comparing us to clemson is just moronic, they havent even sniffed the title game the past 10 years, then got blown out by the eventual NC team, Dabo may be a decent coach but hes up there when Spurrier is at SC so hes going to lose most recruits.

Khellendros: And absolutely none of that matters. You can make excuses for any coach for or against them as to who they got to play, whether they were "considered" ready for the job, etc. He delivered at Florida, where his defense was critical in two national championships. He went to Louisville, and went from 7-6 his first year and improving to a 12-1 program in four seasons, winning 2 conference titles and the Sugar Bowl.


Oh I wont argue that at all, I thought he was always a good coach and was scared SC would get him where he would stay for years. I was glad when they didnt take him and wound up in Lousiville.

Now reading this it appears obvious that some want him to fail.
 
2014-01-08 03:28:29 PM  
He's pissed because he wanted a big-name coach and none of them wanted the job precisely for that reason - too much bs politics down there and they don't want to put up with that crap. I think Strong is the best guy they could have found. His only weakness in regard to that job is that he doesn't have the Texas high school coach connections.
 
2014-01-08 03:40:48 PM  
To be fair the church bells kept the reporters from hearing his real complaint.

The new coach is a Ni *Bong*
 
2014-01-08 03:42:39 PM  

DoBeDoBeDo: To be fair the church bells kept the reporters from hearing his real complaint.

The new coach is a Ni *Bong*


He said the coach is near!
 
2014-01-08 04:11:58 PM  
Maybe some folks in texas aren't ready for an african american head coach.
 
2014-01-08 04:18:22 PM  
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2014-01-08 04:33:54 PM  
I thought Saban was a done deal.
 
2014-01-08 04:39:37 PM  

IAmRight: Now, I dunno if McCombs would say it, as I've never heard of the guy until now, but it's possible.


You familiar with Clear Channel Radio? Big megacorp that owns a bunch of radio stations all over the country? He started that. You know the private military contractor company Blackwater (now Academi)? He's the chairman of them. You ever heard of the Minnesota Vikings? McCombs used to own the franchise. The University of Texas' College of Business is named after him.

He's kind of a real-world Bond villan.
 
2014-01-08 04:41:20 PM  
I would like to be explained why Gruden would be a good college coach?
 
2014-01-08 04:43:05 PM  

Krymson Tyde: I thought Saban was a done deal.


Especially after he denied it. Either Saban was telling the truth, or there was a money shortage in Austin. It would be a first in either case.
 
2014-01-08 04:44:34 PM  

tennesseemike: I would like to be explained why Gruden would be a good college coach?


You would understand such things if you were rich.
 
2014-01-08 04:46:34 PM  

rumpelstiltskin: Krymson Tyde: I thought Saban was a done deal.

Especially after he denied it. Either Saban was telling the truth, or there was a money shortage in Austin. It would be a first in either case.


Nah, he probably just thought it was the most evil thing he could do. He's like that, you know?
 
2014-01-08 04:52:00 PM  
It would be an excellent troll were Strong to show up at his next press conference with a Chucky mask on.
 
2014-01-08 04:53:01 PM  

Gonz: IAmRight: Now, I dunno if McCombs would say it, as I've never heard of the guy until now, but it's possible.

You familiar with Clear Channel Radio? Big megacorp that owns a bunch of radio stations all over the country? He started that. You know the private military contractor company Blackwater (now Academi)? He's the chairman of them. You ever heard of the Minnesota Vikings? McCombs used to own the franchise. The University of Texas' College of Business is named after him.

He's kind of a real-world Bond villan.


I think that's a bit of a stretch. What self-respecting Bond villain would stoop to owning a chain of used car dealerships?

And I'm not saying he's a racist, but the Native American logo he's got for his used car dealerships looks like he'd be best buddies with Chief Wahoo...
 
2014-01-08 04:53:01 PM  

Cat Food Sandwiches: This hire reeks of desperation.  Maybe because the dumb-asses couldn't keep their mouths shut about who they were targeting.  Saban, Harbaugh, Sumlin, Fisher, Mora, Briles, Gruden, Shaw.  Did I miss anyone.  Do your business is private and you can lie and claim you got your man.


Yep. And the longer the search went on publicly it became pretty apparent that the Texas head coaching job isn't as coveted as Longhorn Nation thinks it is and became increasiningly embarrassed.

I'm willing to bet Strong is a good hire, though.
 
2014-01-08 05:03:27 PM  

Gonz: You ever heard of the Minnesota Vikings? McCombs used to own the franchise.


Whoops, I actually did hear of him from that. But I didn't really care to research him.
 
2014-01-08 05:05:40 PM  

Wadded Beef: Cat Food Sandwiches: This hire reeks of desperation.  Maybe because the dumb-asses couldn't keep their mouths shut about who they were targeting.  Saban, Harbaugh, Sumlin, Fisher, Mora, Briles, Gruden, Shaw.  Did I miss anyone.  Do your business is private and you can lie and claim you got your man.

Yep. And the longer the search went on publicly it became pretty apparent that the Texas head coaching job isn't as coveted as Longhorn Nation thinks it is and became increasiningly embarrassed.

I'm willing to bet Strong is a good hire, though.


tbh, I think it's a move down for Strong.  Louisville has built up a great program under him, he's absolutely loved there and pretty much controls the program.  In Texas, he has to cater to the will of the boosters and be the guy that follows the guy.  Not gonna lie, I would have stayed at Louisville.
 
2014-01-08 05:27:02 PM  

flak attack: Wadded Beef: Cat Food Sandwiches: This hire reeks of desperation.  Maybe because the dumb-asses couldn't keep their mouths shut about who they were targeting.  Saban, Harbaugh, Sumlin, Fisher, Mora, Briles, Gruden, Shaw.  Did I miss anyone.  Do your business is private and you can lie and claim you got your man.

Yep. And the longer the search went on publicly it became pretty apparent that the Texas head coaching job isn't as coveted as Longhorn Nation thinks it is and became increasiningly embarrassed.

I'm willing to bet Strong is a good hire, though.

tbh, I think it's a move down for Strong.  Louisville has built up a great program under him, he's absolutely loved there and pretty much controls the program.  In Texas, he has to cater to the will of the boosters and be the guy that follows the guy.  Not gonna lie, I would have stayed at Louisville.


As a Louisville fan I have to say I was pretty upset when I found out he was leaving. Plus he had it made here. But now I'm excited to see what Petrino Round 2 is gonna be like, considering his 41-9 record the last time he coached us. I hope Charlie does well in Texas, but if he doesn't he'll be the latest in a line of coaches us Louisville fans will look upon and say: "We told you to stay."
 
2014-01-08 05:28:18 PM  

flak attack: Wadded Beef: Cat Food Sandwiches: This hire reeks of desperation.  Maybe because the dumb-asses couldn't keep their mouths shut about who they were targeting.  Saban, Harbaugh, Sumlin, Fisher, Mora, Briles, Gruden, Shaw.  Did I miss anyone.  Do your business is private and you can lie and claim you got your man.

Yep. And the longer the search went on publicly it became pretty apparent that the Texas head coaching job isn't as coveted as Longhorn Nation thinks it is and became increasiningly embarrassed.

I'm willing to bet Strong is a good hire, though.

tbh, I think it's a move down for Strong.  Louisville has built up a great program under him, he's absolutely loved there and pretty much controls the program.  In Texas, he has to cater to the will of the boosters and be the guy that follows the guy.  Not gonna lie, I would have stayed at Louisville.


Fair points. I couldn't imagine as a coach trying to get a football program rekindled while having to take time to allow boosters "access" and somehow placate them into thinking their opinions are relevant. Particularly in Texas, where, as evidenced by this article, some deep-pocketed, self-important mouth-breather will go public and give you a PR headache if you don't agree with him.
 
2014-01-08 05:35:03 PM  

flak attack: tbh, I think it's a move down for Strong. Louisville has built up a great program under him, he's absolutely loved there and pretty much controls the program. In Texas, he has to cater to the will of the boosters and be the guy that follows the guy. Not gonna lie, I would have stayed at Louisville.


Yes and no.  If he starts winning big, he won't need have to listen to anyone.  If he has a string of 3 and 4 loss seasons, the pressure will get pretty high from boosters and other political entities.  That's the thing about the "big" schools - there's a massive political system that can wear down a coach.  But as long as you win, they won't say a thing, and don't have any power even if they do.
 
2014-01-08 05:54:16 PM  
Why does anyone, college or pros, chase Gruden? Apart from his name he can't get his old assistants back. Without quality assistants like he used to have all you get all smoke and no fire.
 
2014-01-08 06:01:49 PM  
The full quote that people are referring to:

"I don't have any doubt that Charlie is a fine coach. I think he would make a great position coach, maybe a coordinator."

I don't need Alan Turing to break the code there.
 
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