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(Gawker)   It turns out Benghazi could be a scandal after all. This is bad news ... for George W. Bush   (gawker.com) divider line 171
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2014-01-08 11:06:07 AM
Awkward.
 
2014-01-08 11:12:43 AM
Nope, still not a scandal
 
2014-01-08 11:29:12 AM
This looks to be the end of Benghazi hearings.
 
2014-01-08 11:33:39 AM
i assume darrell issa will be right on... hey, where did he go?
 
2014-01-08 11:41:24 AM
I read the headline to the conservatives sitting around me and they now state that they never really liked Bush anyway.  lol
 
2014-01-08 11:43:47 AM
No, you realize how this will be spun by the right-wing echo chamber. This will be touted as proof we can't close Gitmo.
 
2014-01-08 11:44:40 AM
It is a scandal but it's the old Gitmo scandal. At this point Gitmo is just a big pile of shiat held over a fan by fraying cord. It's only a matter of time before Bush's mistake has to be dealt with and whoever does it is going to get stuck with the messy consequences.
 
2014-01-08 11:44:46 AM
What? The most innocent, blameless president of all time? RESPONSIBLE for something?! I'll believe it when I see it.
 
2014-01-08 11:44:47 AM
Bush obviously didn't torture him enough!!!11!
 
2014-01-08 11:45:06 AM
So, ya think locking a guy up without charging him, suspending habeas corpus, and possibly torturing him numerous times might cause him to maybe want to attack the country that did that to him?
 
2014-01-08 11:45:54 AM

EdNortonsTwin: I read the headline to the conservatives sitting around me and they now state that they never really liked Bush anyway.  lol


No, you see.  When you questioned Bush's competence at foreign policy, and you THOUGHT you heard your conservative co-worker scream "TRAITOR!!!"  What he actually said, was "Trade Her."  He was referring to Mia Hamm's lackluster play for the Washington Freedom.
 
2014-01-08 11:46:09 AM

EdNortonsTwin: I read the headline to the conservatives sitting around me and they now state that they never really liked Bush anyway.  lol


I'm curious, are there any past Republican leaders that current conservatives haven't thrown under the bus?
 
2014-01-08 11:46:11 AM

EdNortonsTwin: I read the headline to the conservatives sitting around me and they now state that they never really liked Bush anyway.  lol


They'll never forget where they were on January20, 2009, when they became "libertarians."
 
2014-01-08 11:46:53 AM

UNC_Samurai: No, you realize how this will be spun by the right-wing echo chamber. This will be touted as proof we can't close Gitmo.


Not just "We can't close Gitmo", but "We can't ever let anyone out".
 
2014-01-08 11:49:03 AM
If a phone program started during the Reagan administration and expanded into cell phones during the Bush administration can called "ObamaPhones", what makes anyone think this won't be Fw:FWD:FW:FW:FWD'd into Obama's fault?
 
2014-01-08 11:50:15 AM

SuburbanCowboy: So, ya think locking a guy up without charging him, suspending habeas corpus, and possibly torturing him numerous times might cause him to maybe want to attack the country that did that to him?


You know, I really can't blame them at this point.
 
2014-01-08 11:50:33 AM

EngineerAU: If a phone program started during the Reagan administration and expanded into cell phones during the Bush administration can called "ObamaPhones", what makes anyone think this won't be Fw:FWD:FW:FW:FWD'd into Obama's fault?


Stupid Obama Time Machine.
 
2014-01-08 11:50:54 AM

EngineerAU: If a phone program started during the Reagan administration and expanded into cell phones during the Bush administration can called "ObamaPhones", what makes anyone think this won't be Fw:FWD:FW:FW:FWD'd into Obama's fault?


Can you blame people for blaming Obama for things that happened during Bush's presidency? We've been hearing from conservatives how near he is for quite some time.
 
2014-01-08 11:55:07 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: You know, I really can't blame them at this point.


Please, that would be saying America had done anything wrong ever, which makes you part of the "blame america first crowd"(remember the 2000s?)
 
2014-01-08 11:55:52 AM
So we handed him over to the Libyans in 2007. He was in custody for a year, and then released by the Libyans.

Sounds like this is actually bad news... for Muammar Gaddafi.
 
2014-01-08 11:56:16 AM
Congressman Issa will be all over this like Marcus Bachmann all over a naked Salma Hayek covered in fragrant oil.
 
2014-01-08 12:00:06 PM
Arguably this does support the "Benghazi is a scandal" allegation, as Qumu has Al Qaeda connections which rebuts the NYT statement that Al Qaeda had no connection to the attacks.

The truth is the last sentence of the article is right: it's a complicated situation where a series of errors that implicates figures throughout contributed to an attack. That said, I still haven't seen any evidence that the immediate reaction to the attack was lacking (two people died from the side effects of the initial explosion, the other two people who died were members of the first and second reinforcement teams who were struck with mortar fire at the tail end of evacuating all other personnel from the CIA black site) and the constant refrain that the people were "left to die" isn't reflected by the facts. Also, the fact that the initial CIA report before any revisions cited the youtube video, Ansar al-Sharia's statement after the attack claimed it was due to the youtube video, and the fact that protests of the video were in fact happening at over two dozen other embassies and consulates throughout the Muslim world (two of them turning violent as well) suggests the administration did think the attack was related to the video, and didn't just "make up" the idea that Muslims were outraged "over a video no one heard of before the attack".
 
2014-01-08 12:00:59 PM
Figured it was only a matter of time before they would blame Bush for Benghazi..... next up, they will blame Bush for the failed Obamacare rollout....oh, wait....
 
2014-01-08 12:01:49 PM

EyeballKid: EdNortonsTwin: I read the headline to the conservatives sitting around me and they now state that they never really liked Bush anyway.  lol

They'll never forget where they were on January20, 2009, when they became "libertarians."

They'll never forget where they were on January20, 2009,

 when they begrudgingly kinda sorta became "libertarians."

Uptight social conservatives, don't step into the light very readily.
 
2014-01-08 12:05:09 PM
What, Obama's time machine is broken this week?
 
2014-01-08 12:06:39 PM

that bosnian sniper: What, Obama's time machine is broken this week?


Actually, it's broken next week, but that's how time travel works.
 
2014-01-08 12:07:02 PM

karnal: Figured it was only a matter of time before they would blame Bush for Benghazi..... next up, they will blame Bush for the failed Obamacare rollout....oh, wait....


The latter makes as much sense as blaming Obama for Bush's economic failures.
 
2014-01-08 12:09:41 PM

EdNortonsTwin: EyeballKid: EdNortonsTwin: I read the headline to the conservatives sitting around me and they now state that they never really liked Bush anyway.  lol

They'll never forget where they were on January20, 2009, when they became "libertarians."

They'll never forget where they were on January20, 2009,  when they begrudgingly kinda sorta became "libertarians."

Uptight social conservatives, don't step into the light very readily.


And there's no way that happened on 20JAN2009 - that's when they became Republicans again. They became "libertarians" sometime in 2006-7, and voted RONPAUL in the '08 primaries. But vote Bob Barr for president?

In an endangered Alaskan snow-pig's eye, libulardo. They "held their noses" and voted McCain, because "at least he's not Obama".
 
2014-01-08 12:10:37 PM
So that's why we were told it was all about a video....Bush!

/got it!
 
2014-01-08 12:11:02 PM

Grungehamster: Arguably this does support the "Benghazi is a scandal" allegation, as Qumu has Al Qaeda connections which rebuts the NYT statement that Al Qaeda had no connection to the attacks.


An unnamed individual says that his guy might have been somehow involved...  Seems legit.
 
2014-01-08 12:11:53 PM
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George Bush peed on my rug.
 
2014-01-08 12:11:54 PM
Well its pretty obvious that Bengazi was never really a scandal all along. Just because a few fringe elements in our media presence brought it up once in a while, what is the big deal? Why do Democrats have to keep bringing up this bengazi thing? They are destroying this country with their painful rhetoric!

This is how spin works.
 
2014-01-08 12:13:02 PM
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2014-01-08 12:15:57 PM
This just bent Darrell Issa's boner.
 
2014-01-08 12:16:12 PM

BojanglesPaladin: So we handed him over to the Libyans in 2007. He was in custody for a year, and then released by the Libyans.

Sounds like this is actually bad news... for Muammar Gaddafi.


Are you saying that President Bush turned over the safety of our nation to a foreign mad man?
 
2014-01-08 12:16:16 PM

colon_pow: George Bush peed on my rug.


At least Barack Obama is housebroken.
 
2014-01-08 12:17:43 PM

NeverDrunk23: EngineerAU: If a phone program started during the Reagan administration and expanded into cell phones during the Bush administration can called "ObamaPhones", what makes anyone think this won't be Fw:FWD:FW:FW:FWD'd into Obama's fault?

Stupid Obama Time Machine.


Benghazzli-wazzli timey-wimey.
 
2014-01-08 12:18:52 PM

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2014-01-08 12:19:01 PM

qorkfiend: UNC_Samurai: No, you realize how this will be spun by the right-wing echo chamber. This will be touted as proof we can't close Gitmo.

Not just "We can't close Gitmo", but "We can't ever let anyone out".


Not double thinky enough.

Obama lied about closing Gitmo and freeing terrorists on American soil to get votes from Democrats, and one of them caused Benghazi.  Why won't someone investigate this?
 
2014-01-08 12:19:45 PM

Sgt Otter: EdNortonsTwin: I read the headline to the conservatives sitting around me and they now state that they never really liked Bush anyway.  lol

No, you see.  When you questioned Bush's competence at foreign policy, and you THOUGHT you heard your conservative co-worker scream "TRAITOR!!!"  What he actually said, was "Trade Her."  He was referring to Mia Hamm's lackluster play for the Washington Freedom.


WHY DO YOU HATE THE FREEDOM?!
 
2014-01-08 12:23:53 PM
Why didn't we just fly these ass holes out over the middle of the Atlantic ocean and toss them out of the plane.
 
2014-01-08 12:23:57 PM

Satanic_Hamster: An unnamed individual says that his guy might have been somehow involved... Seems legit.


If you want to go the "Bush's fault" route, you treat it as legit. It's honestly a rather nuanced point anyway: Ansar al-Sharia definitely has many like-minded goals to Al Qaeda, so it's just a question of how many degrees of separation. Either way I highly doubt the planning and funding came from the people behind 9/11, since this sort of thinking shows ignorance of the decentralized nature of these sorts of groups. Sure it suggests they are closer than they first appear, but it's not like most groups we refer to as affiliated with Al Qaeda are subsidiaries or something.

Danger Mouse: So that's why we were told it was all about a video....Bush!

/got it!


Nah, it was the people who did it themselves who said they were motivated by the video.

http://www.longwarjournal.org/threat-matrix/archives/2012/09/ansar_a l_ shariah_issues_statem.php
 
2014-01-08 12:29:42 PM

Pappas: Are you saying that President Bush turned over the safety of our nation to a foreign mad man?


Not really, no.

As you may or may not recall, there was a whole lotta hue and cry about indefinitely detaining people in Gitmo and a lot of domestic and international pressure to return Gitmo detainees at the end of the Bush administration, and we started releasing a lot of people. You may or may not recall that the administration (and anyone with common sense) warned that some or all of these people would undoubtedly 'rejoin the fight'. There were actual examples of previous detainees being found again working with jihadists. One of the challenges was that we couldn't get most countries to take these people, but with the normalization of relations with Libya (you did read the article, right?) we brokered a deal whereby they would take this guy off our hands. Win-Win. We get to show that we are releasing people, and we have assurances that he won't be left to roam the streets.

Since this guy was Libyan, we really had no other choice but to release him to his home country. The alternative would have been to have kept him for eternity, which again, you will remember, many people like yourself and Obama himself vehemently opposed. It was a central plank of Obama's platform that the whole facility be shut down and all but the highest risk detainees be returned to their home countries.

Now this is clearly not Obama's fault, because he was not even in office when the guy was sent to Libya, or even when he was released from Libyan prison. And if you really want to blame Bush, I suppose you could, but to be accurate he released him to PRISON.

That he was later released and subsequently attacked Americans is directly the fault of Muammar Gaddafi, who was the one who released him. (presumably against our wishes).
 
2014-01-08 12:32:27 PM
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Benghazi Thread!
 
2014-01-08 12:32:38 PM
Thanks Obama! (and your time machine)
 
2014-01-08 12:36:14 PM

BojanglesPaladin: One of the challenges was that we couldn't get most countries to take these people, but with the normalization of relations with Libya (you did read the article, right?) we brokered a deal whereby they would take this guy off our hands. Win-Win. We get to show that we are releasing people, and we have assurances that he won't be left to roam the streets.

Since this guy was Libyan, we really had no other choice but to release him to his home country. The alternative would have been to have kept him for eternity, which again, you will remember, many people like yourself and Obama himself vehemently opposed. It was a central plank of Obama's platform that the whole facility be shut down and all but the highest risk detainees be returned to their home countries.


But what's really going to bake your noodle is: did he actually do anything to warrant being tossed in GTMO in the first place, or was it his being tossed in with a bunch of radicals that radicalized him?

I should think if the US government had legitimate dirt on him, they'd have tried and convicted him, no? Sometime over his half-decade stay in Cuba?
 
2014-01-08 12:39:17 PM

Mentat: Awkward.


For a LOT of people that were pining their hopes on Benghazi; now watch them scurry back and say "Benghazi was a scandal?  No, not at all.  Nothing to see here folks."
 
2014-01-08 12:39:22 PM

EdNortonsTwin: I read the headline to the conservatives sitting around me and they now state that they never really liked Bush anyway.  lol


I once liked Billy Joel. Now, no so much
 
2014-01-08 12:40:29 PM

Dr Dreidel: BojanglesPaladin: One of the challenges was that we couldn't get most countries to take these people, but with the normalization of relations with Libya (you did read the article, right?) we brokered a deal whereby they would take this guy off our hands. Win-Win. We get to show that we are releasing people, and we have assurances that he won't be left to roam the streets.

Since this guy was Libyan, we really had no other choice but to release him to his home country. The alternative would have been to have kept him for eternity, which again, you will remember, many people like yourself and Obama himself vehemently opposed. It was a central plank of Obama's platform that the whole facility be shut down and all but the highest risk detainees be returned to their home countries.

But what's really going to bake your noodle is: did he actually do anything to warrant being tossed in GTMO in the first place, or was it his being tossed in with a bunch of radicals that radicalized him?

I should think if the US government had legitimate dirt on him, they'd have tried and convicted him, no? Sometime over his half-decade stay in Cuba?


Ha. Trials. Good one!
 
2014-01-08 12:42:05 PM

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Benghazi Thread!



So is Issa Theon in this equation?
Because I'm ok with this.
 
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