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(Toronto Star)   Physician decries practice of demanding doctor's notes. I agree. If you're well enough to go to the doctor, you're well enough to come to work   (thestar.com) divider line 127
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2014-01-08 11:38:44 AM
Depends on the job, subby. You may me mobile enough to both get to work as well as a doctor's office, but your job may depend on speaking coherently/interacting with others, etc.
 
2014-01-08 11:42:54 AM

gopher321: Depends on the job, subby. You may me mobile enough to both get to work as well as a doctor's office, but your job may depend on speaking coherently/interacting with others, etc.


So your brilliant plan is to come and get everyone you work with sick? Are you a farking retard or just a farking retard?
 
2014-01-08 11:43:32 AM
Not sure how I just randomly quoted you on that..... That was to subby.
 
2014-01-08 11:43:35 AM
If you're sick, stay the fark at home. If your dipshiat boss demands a note, make sure you give it to them in person after breathing on it for a while.

It's time to start treating people like adults.
 
2014-01-08 11:43:58 AM
My doctor ALWAYS asks if I need a note.  Come to think of, all of the docs and PAs I've seen at that HMO ask that question.  Maybe it's a policy thing.

\never needed one
\\mostly went for an ear infection
 
2014-01-08 11:45:06 AM
There was a man in Nebraska a few years back that needed to get to the doctor to get a note. He was so disoriented while driving, he veered into the other lane and hit an oncoming car. He was paralyzed from the waist down, and the driver of the other car killed. All because the man's boss was an asshole.
 
2014-01-08 11:45:58 AM
I get a note from Epsteins mom.
 
2014-01-08 11:46:11 AM
The only time I have seen a company ask for them, regardless of their policy, is with people who randomly call out sick all the f'ing time.

costermonger: It's time to start treating people like adults.


Do you know how I can tell you have never managed people?
 
2014-01-08 11:46:21 AM
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2014-01-08 11:48:35 AM
I just go to work and puke on the boss. It shows I'm sick, plus I get to puke on the boss.
 
2014-01-08 11:49:25 AM
As someone who stays away from doctors, I would find it very annoying if I had to get a note every time I was sick.

And don't give me any of this crap about how I should be getting checkups, etc. My dad didn't see a single doctor for over 30 years, and was just fine.

...Until he died.
 
2014-01-08 11:49:44 AM
I side with the doctor.
 
2014-01-08 11:50:27 AM

youmightberight: gopher321: Depends on the job, subby. You may me mobile enough to both get to work as well as a doctor's office, but your job may depend on speaking coherently/interacting with others, etc.

So your brilliant plan is to come and get everyone you work with sick? Are you a farking retard or just a farking retard?


Carefull how you throw the term retard around here on fark, the various oversenstive bed wetters here on Fark may not have had an official diagnosis yet.
 
2014-01-08 11:50:35 AM

stuffy: I just go to work and puke on the boss. It shows I'm sick, plus I get to puke on the boss.


I approve.
 
rka
2014-01-08 11:50:52 AM
A doctor's note just for being sick? I mean, I could see needing some sort of documentation if you are trying to collect disability or long-term leave but for everyday run of the mill sniffles and needing to stay home a day or two? A note?

Do you have to raise your hand to go to the bathroom too? Need a hall pass? Just how much of your dignity have you handed over?

Why people in these jobs don't rise up and brutally slay management with a stapler is beyond me.
 
2014-01-08 11:50:58 AM
Will a note from Epstein's mother suffice?
 
2014-01-08 11:52:25 AM

LineNoise: The only time I have seen a company ask for them, regardless of their policy, is with people who randomly call out sick all the f'ing time.

costermonger: It's time to start treating people like adults.

Do you know how I can tell you have never managed people?


Unfortunately, in order to handle ongoing problems with people who call out sick all the time as LineNoise said, failure of an employee to document a sickness, especially when over their allotment of sick/personal days, can be grounds for dismissal.

It sucks, but companies need to stay competitive.
 
2014-01-08 11:52:45 AM

LineNoise: Do you know how I can tell you have never managed people?


You need to get that omnipotence device calibrated, bud.
 
2014-01-08 11:53:19 AM

youmightberight: So your brilliant plan is to come and get everyone you work with sick? Are you a farking retard or just a farking retard?


Most common illnesses are most communicable before symptoms appear, and are actually relatively low risk by the time someone is coughing and sneezing all day.
 
2014-01-08 11:54:13 AM

LineNoise: The only time I have seen a company ask for them, regardless of their policy, is with people who randomly call out sick all the f'ing time.

costermonger: It's time to start treating people like adults.

Do you know how I can tell you have never managed people?


I could ask the same to you but it's also possible you're a dick.  The effort required to get to the bottom of many people issues is significant and intrusive.  If you've managed people and put any thought into this, then you know a doctor's note is meaningless.  A doctor doesn't give a shiat about your company.  If a patient says they're not feeling the greatest, even if they are asymptomatic they're going to get a note because many patients take medication to combat the symptoms.  So the note is a meaningless hoop to jump through.
 
2014-01-08 11:54:17 AM
i agree with the doctor.  i just wish they'd be nicer about FMLA paperwork.  the people at mayo kept refusing to fill out my paperwork even though they were performing farking surgery on me.
 
2014-01-08 11:54:38 AM
What I want to know is when did it become law that only a doctor's note would constitute an excused absence from school?  We have twin 14-year-old girls, and last year they both had difficult times with beginning their periods, as well as having a particularly rough flu season.  So we let them stay home several times and sent a note to school each time stating that they stayed home because they were ill.  At the end of the year we were sent a letter stating that they were both suspended from school for having more than 8 unexcused absences, and we had to go to court as well.  As God is my witness, I thought parents could excuse their children from school, but that is apparently not the case.  Needless to say, this still pisses me off.
 
2014-01-08 11:55:29 AM
My employer doesn't accept doctors' notes...and I work for a hospital. I guess they figure we're adult enough to figure out that we're sick without involving a doctor.
 
2014-01-08 11:55:30 AM
A friend of mine is/was really, really sick (hospitalized briefly) with the flu, and he was asked to bring in two notes - one for each week he was sick.  He just lost two weeks of pay, and now he has to have two doctors look at him..?
 
2014-01-08 11:55:47 AM
My boss is a total prick and gives people ALOT of grief if they call out. I had the flu last year and he threatened to let me go if I didn't come in. BTW before you ask, I never call out.

I hate my job.
 
2014-01-08 11:55:54 AM

costermonger: If you're sick, stay the fark at home. If your dipshiat boss demands a note, make sure you give it to them in person after breathing on it for a while.

It's time to start treating people like adults.


yeah.  people like my dad say they never missed a day of work in their lives.  and then I wonder, how many people did you infect with your willful indifference?  and then, how many of those people missed days of work?

the efficiency of the work unit is brought down by sick employees. first off, you're sick, you're not as efficient.  second, you're going to affect others, who will then become less efficient.  third, in your weakened state, you might pick up something worse/prolong the illness.  finally, you're not that important.  no one is.  even a ceo can skip a day.
 
2014-01-08 11:55:55 AM

lennavan: A doctor doesn't give a shiat about your company.


That's the thing, other issues aside, all you're doing is making the person go and retrieve a note. There is zero chance the doctor won't hand one over.
 
2014-01-08 11:55:59 AM

red5ish: I side with the doctor.


Probably because you have no idea how disease is communicated from person to person.  I am not sure this man is a doctor.  How about give notes to people who might transmit disease to others and not give notes to morons who want to get out of work for a few days.

/Nurse
//the ED docs at my hosp don't give notes to douchecanoes who came in for bullshiat.
 
2014-01-08 11:56:48 AM

ISubmittedThisYesterdayWithAMuchFunnierHeadline: What I want to know is when did it become law that only a doctor's note would constitute an excused absence from school?  We have twin 14-year-old girls, and last year they both had difficult times with beginning their periods, as well as having a particularly rough flu season.  So we let them stay home several times and sent a note to school each time stating that they stayed home because they were ill.  At the end of the year we were sent a letter stating that they were both suspended from school for having more than 8 unexcused absences, and we had to go to court as well.  As God is my witness, I thought parents could excuse their children from school, but that is apparently not the case.  Needless to say, this still pisses me off.


Zero tolerance, of course.
 
2014-01-08 11:57:27 AM

mainstreet62: Unfortunately, in order to handle ongoing problems with people who call out sick all the time as LineNoise said, failure of an employee to document a sickness, especially when over their allotment of sick/personal days, can be grounds for dismissal.

It sucks, but companies need to stay competitive.


Going over your allotment of sick/personal days is grounds for dismissal on its own.
 
2014-01-08 11:59:05 AM

jat26006: I am not sure this man is a doctor.


Well, rest assured, he is.

/who the fark goes to a farking hospital for a doctor's note?
 
2014-01-08 12:00:10 PM

ISubmittedThisYesterdayWithAMuchFunnierHeadline: What I want to know is when did it become law that only a doctor's note would constitute an excused absence from school?  We have twin 14-year-old girls, and last year they both had difficult times with beginning their periods, as well as having a particularly rough flu season.  So we let them stay home several times and sent a note to school each time stating that they stayed home because they were ill.  At the end of the year we were sent a letter stating that they were both suspended from school for having more than 8 unexcused absences, and we had to go to court as well.  As God is my witness, I thought parents could excuse their children from school, but that is apparently not the case.  Needless to say, this still pisses me off.


Sounds like someone at that school is getting fired.
 
2014-01-08 12:00:37 PM
The only time I actually needed a note was when I was out for about a month after a motorcycle accident.
 
2014-01-08 12:01:39 PM
I'm lucky that I don't often get sick, and rarely feel like I can't work, although I do work from home so not to share my germs.  I think the last two sick days I took were actually because of migraines.  I only average one sick day a year so nobody gives me any shiat when I feel like I can't do work.  I was told by someone in HR that one of our offices has every single employee maxed out on sick days.  Either they have a plague rat infestation or somebodies are abusing the policy.
 
2014-01-08 12:02:41 PM

lennavan: mainstreet62: Unfortunately, in order to handle ongoing problems with people who call out sick all the time as LineNoise said, failure of an employee to document a sickness, especially when over their allotment of sick/personal days, can be grounds for dismissal.

It sucks, but companies need to stay competitive.

Going over your allotment of sick/personal days is grounds for dismissal on its own.


What if an employee has cancer?
 
2014-01-08 12:02:50 PM

ISubmittedThisYesterdayWithAMuchFunnierHeadline: What I want to know is when did it become law that only a doctor's note would constitute an excused absence from school?  We have twin 14-year-old girls, and last year they both had difficult times with beginning their periods, as well as having a particularly rough flu season.  So we let them stay home several times and sent a note to school each time stating that they stayed home because they were ill.  At the end of the year we were sent a letter stating that they were both suspended from school for having more than 8 unexcused absences, and we had to go to court as well.  As God is my witness, I thought parents could excuse their children from school, but that is apparently not the case.  Needless to say, this still pisses me off.


I had similar problems in the girl-junk department in high school on top of a chronic sinus problem. The doctor got so fed up with the school demanding we come in for a note that he wrote a very terse letter to the truant officer basically saying, "if her parents feel she's too ill, their word is good enough for me, so suck it up." My mom also offered to happily prove the heavy period issues by dumping all my used pads on the biatch's desk. But that was nearly 15 years ago, now you and the doctor would be in jail or something for terrorizing a busybody.

/good grades even with missing days
 
2014-01-08 12:04:30 PM

GloomCookie613: /good grades even with missing days


I think we all know that the attendance metrics are about funding, not education, right?
 
2014-01-08 12:06:34 PM

mainstreet62: ISubmittedThisYesterdayWithAMuchFunnierHeadline: What I want to know is when did it become law that only a doctor's note would constitute an excused absence from school?  We have twin 14-year-old girls, and last year they both had difficult times with beginning their periods, as well as having a particularly rough flu season.  So we let them stay home several times and sent a note to school each time stating that they stayed home because they were ill.  At the end of the year we were sent a letter stating that they were both suspended from school for having more than 8 unexcused absences, and we had to go to court as well.  As God is my witness, I thought parents could excuse their children from school, but that is apparently not the case.  Needless to say, this still pisses me off.

Sounds like someone at that school is getting fired.


Well, the suspension came from the office of the school district's superintendent, so it's obviously district policy.
 
2014-01-08 12:08:53 PM

jat26006: red5ish: I side with the doctor.

Probably because you have no idea how disease is communicated from person to person.  I am not sure this man is a doctor.  How about give notes to people who might transmit disease to others and not give notes to morons who want to get out of work for a few days.

/Nurse
//the ED docs at my hosp don't give notes to douchecanoes who came in for bullshiat.


So, As a nurse you think people sick with a bad cold or mild flu should spend their sick day getting to a doctors office to get a note, intead of staying home for sleep and rest?
 
2014-01-08 12:09:48 PM
GloomCookie613:
I had similar problems in the girl-junk department in high school on top of a chronic sinus problem. The doctor got so fed up with the school demanding we come in for a note that he wrote a very terse letter to the truant officer basically saying, "if her parents feel she's too ill, their word is good enough for me, so suck it up." My mom also offered to happily prove the heavy period issues by dumping all my used pads on the biatch's desk. But that was nearly 15 years ago, now you and the doctor would be in jail or something for terrorizing a busybody.

/good grades even with missing days


To get them reinstated, we had to ask their doctor to write a bunch of bogus notes, which he was more than happy to do.
 
zeg
2014-01-08 12:10:17 PM

jat26006: I am not sure this man is a doctor.  How about give notes to people who might transmit disease to others and not give notes to morons who want to get out of work for a few days.


How about his complaint has nothing to do with people faking and everything to do with employers forcing people who have minor illnesses that don't require treatment to waste scarce health care resources?
 
2014-01-08 12:10:54 PM

ikanreed: GloomCookie613: /good grades even with missing days

I think we all know that the attendance metrics are about funding, not education, right?


Considering the asskissing we got when I suggested out loud in a meeting with admins that I should just take my GED and GTFO of there... yeah, I know.
 
2014-01-08 12:11:04 PM

KatjaMouse: lennavan: mainstreet62: Unfortunately, in order to handle ongoing problems with people who call out sick all the time as LineNoise said, failure of an employee to document a sickness, especially when over their allotment of sick/personal days, can be grounds for dismissal.

It sucks, but companies need to stay competitive.

Going over your allotment of sick/personal days is grounds for dismissal on its own.

What if an employee has cancer?


That's more than just being sick.  That's covered by federal law and to get that, you do need a doctor's note.
 
2014-01-08 12:14:49 PM

lennavan: KatjaMouse: lennavan: mainstreet62: Unfortunately, in order to handle ongoing problems with people who call out sick all the time as LineNoise said, failure of an employee to document a sickness, especially when over their allotment of sick/personal days, can be grounds for dismissal.

It sucks, but companies need to stay competitive.

Going over your allotment of sick/personal days is grounds for dismissal on its own.

What if an employee has cancer?

That's more than just being sick.  That's covered by federal law and to get that, you do need a doctor's note.


Well, if I need a doctor's note to get cancer, I'm never getting a farking doctor's note!
/ solved!
 
2014-01-08 12:15:55 PM

KatjaMouse: lennavan: mainstreet62: Unfortunately, in order to handle ongoing problems with people who call out sick all the time as LineNoise said, failure of an employee to document a sickness, especially when over their allotment of sick/personal days, can be grounds for dismissal.

It sucks, but companies need to stay competitive.

Going over your allotment of sick/personal days is grounds for dismissal on its own.

What if an employee has cancer?


I would think cancer treatments would require a large block of time off, in which case you would hire a temp. But that's not the point I was trying to make.

It's one thing if you're legitimately sick, you are physically unable to do the work. It's another thing entirely if you malinger, you just don't want to work at all like you've got better things to do.
 
2014-01-08 12:19:59 PM

lennavan: KatjaMouse: lennavan: mainstreet62: Unfortunately, in order to handle ongoing problems with people who call out sick all the time as LineNoise said, failure of an employee to document a sickness, especially when over their allotment of sick/personal days, can be grounds for dismissal.

It sucks, but companies need to stay competitive.

Going over your allotment of sick/personal days is grounds for dismissal on its own.

What if an employee has cancer?

That's more than just being sick.  That's covered by federal law and to get that, you do need a doctor's note.


And really, if you are sick with something like cancer or hospitalized, you are seeing a doctor anyway so that isn't the problem here.

The one time I was sick while I worked for a place that required doctors notes for a sick day, I ended up taking an extra day off so I could go see the doctor. If I'd been well enough to drive myself to the doctor, I wouldn't have taken the day off to begin with.
 
2014-01-08 12:20:15 PM
"First of all, you don't want to encourage people who have infectious diseases to go to their doctor's office when it's not necessary," said Wooder, himself a family physician who has worked in Stoney Creek, near Hamilton, for 28 years.
"They're in a waiting room with other people, (and) some of them have very serious illnesses like cancer. There are pregnant mothers and children. They're putting those people at risk."

Wow. This guy's a doctor?
 
2014-01-08 12:20:58 PM
Most of my jobs have been pretty good about it. The only time I needed one was more about my return to work (safely) than anything else... I had a bike fall directly on my head from about 15 feet higher, causing a small skull fracture. I returned to work as normal after a couple days, but I was blacking out at work, stuttering, and having other issues, so they sent me to see a neurologist and told me I couldn't return to work until I had a note saying I was safe to resume my duties.
 
2014-01-08 12:22:09 PM
There is a simple solution to this, the Doctor should bill the Boss/Company/School.

They are the one requiring the note, therefore the appointment so they should pay for the note.
 
2014-01-08 12:23:33 PM
Any of the places I have worked have only required a note if it is 3 or more consecutive days that you are out sick.  This has always been an HR requirement and not up to the individual managers.
 
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