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(BusinessWeek)   Former Defense Secretary so shocked that an anti-war President would actually be against the war that he felt compelled to write a book about it. Tag is for the media for acting as if this is some type of amazing revelation   (businessweek.com) divider line 185
    More: Asinine, White House, Biden, United States Secretary of Defense, u.s. wars, Petraeus, George W. Bush Administration, foreign policy, David Axelrod  
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2014-01-08 08:58:42 AM
"As I sat there, I thought: The president doesn't trust his commander..."

"Civilian leadership should be skeptical of the military and challenge it to prove that what it says is necessary is actually necessary. They have many institutional and individual incentives to do otherwise." Link
 
2014-01-08 09:00:20 AM
It is well that war is so terrible - lest we should grow too fond of it.
 
2014-01-08 09:02:27 AM
"LOOK AT ME, I'M AN ATTENTION WHORE A SOON-TO-BE DEFENSE INDUSTRY LOBBYIST!"

/OK, so I could have left the "whore" part in...
 
2014-01-08 09:15:47 AM
It's almost as if politics is somehow involved in government.
 
2014-01-08 09:18:57 AM
There's a whole generation out there that doesn't know the country is occasionally at peace with no war fighting going on. At least some of the old people remember.
 
2014-01-08 09:29:32 AM
Uh, our current president isn't against war. He seems okay with it for the most part, he just doesn't feel the need to start one every time some two bit dictator is mean to a relative of his
 
2014-01-08 10:06:51 AM

edmo: At least some of the old people remember.


Eh?
 
2014-01-08 10:21:16 AM

EyeballKid: "LOOK AT ME, I'M AN ATTENTION WHORE A SOON-TO-BE DEFENSE INDUSTRY LOBBYIST!"

/OK, so I could have left the "whore" part in...


It'd be redundant, you already left in "lobbyist".
 
2014-01-08 10:24:14 AM

edmo: At least some of the old people remember.


They were either toddlers or they're pushing 110 now. Even then, they'd remember the depression, which was sooooooooo much better....

We haven't had more than 5 years without a military conflict since before WW2.
 
2014-01-08 10:25:11 AM
I'd ask why everyone in the farking world has to have a "memoir" now but I already know the answer is $$$.  Otherwise I don't see the necessity.
 
2014-01-08 10:25:20 AM
Isn't the President his boss?

"Omigod, my boss disagreed with my suggestion !"
 
2014-01-08 10:25:25 AM
Really subby? I haven't gotten around to reading it myself yet, but those that have tell me he goes into how the president is really more hands-off willingly ignorant of what is going on and won't stand for being brought into the loop. It isn't as much that he is anti-war as he is anti-doing the commander in chief part of his job.

If you leave the warfighting to your generals, you will always be warfighting.
 
2014-01-08 10:26:04 AM
"Hillary Rodham Clinton, a likely Democratic Party standard-bearer in the 2016 presidential contest, staked out her military-related positions in the 2008 race based on how they would play politically"

"Obama, too, 'conceded vaguely that [his] opposition to the Iraq surge had been political"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2535513/Former-defense-secre ta ry-says-Hillary-Obama-admitted-staking-Iraq-policy-2008-presidential-c ampaign-based-election-politics.html
 
2014-01-08 10:26:46 AM

jakomo002: Isn't the President his boss?

"Omigod, my boss disagreed with my suggestion !"


Goddamn millenials.
 
2014-01-08 10:26:49 AM
Stating that BOB is pure political and does not provide leadership... yep, nothing amazing about that revelation.
 
2014-01-08 10:27:33 AM

Tricky Chicken: If you leave the warfighting to your generals, you will always be warfighting.


You're not going to get that next star by sitting behind a desk.
 
2014-01-08 10:28:26 AM

Brick-House: Stating that BOB is pure political and does not provide leadership... yep, nothing amazing about that revelation.


Who is Bob?
 
2014-01-08 10:29:01 AM
If only he had been in a position to influence the conduct of our military strategy in some small way, things would have been so much better.
 
2014-01-08 10:30:35 AM
A book written by a former Defense Secretary that details personal relationships and conduct by the Executive branch, highlighting sources of internal conflict in the current administration on issues related to national security.

I guess we know what's on every Chinese intelligence officer's reading list this month.
 
2014-01-08 10:31:27 AM

Muta: Brick-House: Stating that BOB is pure political and does not provide leadership... yep, nothing amazing about that revelation.

Who is Bob?


encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2014-01-08 10:32:33 AM

Brick-House: Stating that BOB is pure political and does not provide leadership... yep, nothing amazing about that revelation.


BOB?
 
2014-01-08 10:33:48 AM
Godf*ckingdammit we are not starting this BOB shiat again.
 
2014-01-08 10:35:01 AM

Brick-House: Stating that BOB is pure political and does not provide leadership... yep, nothing amazing about that revelation.


Who is Bob?
 
2014-01-08 10:35:36 AM
BOZO
 
2014-01-08 10:36:11 AM
I don't want a President that's enthusiastic about war.  And I work for the DOD.
 
2014-01-08 10:37:06 AM
As I recall, most of us voted for Obama primarily because of his anti-war stance. A lot of us are dismayed that he's carried it on for so long, but I do understand why it had to be continued.
 
2014-01-08 10:39:10 AM
BOB is our Liar in Chief, the one, the only  Barack O Bama
 
2014-01-08 10:40:01 AM

ferretman: "Hillary Rodham Clinton, a likely Democratic Party standard-bearer in the 2016 presidential contest, staked out her military-related positions in the 2008 race based on how they would play politically"

"Obama, too, 'conceded vaguely that [his] opposition to the Iraq surge had been political"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2535513/Former-defense-secre ta ry-says-Hillary-Obama-admitted-staking-Iraq-policy-2008-presidential-c ampaign-based-election-politics.html


I'm not about to say it's right that people are politically calculating when trying to win elections and sway public perception.  But let's not treat it like it's some huge "reveal" either.

You must have volumes of accumulated FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: links.
 
2014-01-08 10:40:05 AM

mrshowrules: Brick-House: Stating that BOB is pure political and does not provide leadership... yep, nothing amazing about that revelation.

Who is Bob?


Is it supposed to be some play on Barak OBama? Is this supposed to be demeaning in some way or insulting?  If so, I just don't get it.

Obama's Reptiloid Master: Godf*ckingdammit we are not starting this BOB shiat again.


Now if it seems to irritate some like the above, then it will likely grow in use like the equally trite use of Shrub to refer to GWB.  I still don't get it.
 
2014-01-08 10:40:59 AM

mrshowrules: Who is Bob?


Muta: Who is Bob?


There's only one possibility in this context. He's referring to former defense secretary Robert Gates... the subject of the article.

Now, I don't personally remember his nickname being "Bob" when he regularly appeared on Fox News, Brick-House may know him on a personal level that we don't. And Brick-House seems to think Mr. Gates is more interested in politics than leadership... which certainly makes sense, given the nature of this book.
 
2014-01-08 10:41:05 AM
www.westernjournalism.com
 
2014-01-08 10:41:08 AM

Brick-House: BOB is our Liar in Chief, the one, the only  Barack O Bama


I don't know who that is.  I don't have a liar in chief assigned to me.
 
2014-01-08 10:41:31 AM
I'm surprised at how little honor there  is in the timing of this memoir, as there is no amazing revelation with the intended goal of changing current policy but only reflection on policies now past, the respectful action would have been to not publish until the next administration was onboard.  This reads as nothing more than a politically-timed attack to torpedo the Biden For President campaign.  I guess if you don't like someone enough that concepts like honor go right out the window.

BTW, behavior like this will surely make future administrations trust the military leadership all the more, eh Billy?
 
2014-01-08 10:42:53 AM
Far more annoying than calling Barack Obama "BOB" to me, is the dozens of idiots who immediately respond with "who is Bob?". Clearly he means Barack Obama, you all clearly know it, and if it bothers you that much it would do you well to pay NO ATTENTION WHATSOEVER to it because it makes it WAY, WAY, WAY more noticeable.

Who farking cares? "Dubya, Slick Willy, Tricky Dick, Saint Reagan" are all analogous in their own right. STFU and GBTW.
 
2014-01-08 10:43:05 AM
Hey remember that time a conservative shiathead got us involved in wars that did no one any good?  Remember that time liberals didn't believe hard enough, causing tragedy?
 
2014-01-08 10:44:07 AM
But we're *so close* to victory! Just keep the war going a little bit longer....

/repeat forever
 
2014-01-08 10:44:11 AM

clkeagle: mrshowrules: Who is Bob?

Muta: Who is Bob?

There's only one possibility in this context. He's referring to former defense secretary Robert Gates... the subject of the article.

Now, I don't personally remember his nickname being "Bob" when he regularly appeared on Fox News, Brick-House may know him on a personal level that we don't. And Brick-House seems to think Mr. Gates is more interested in politics than leadership... which certainly makes sense, given the nature of this book.


Bob Woodward perhaps?
 
2014-01-08 10:44:20 AM

Witty Comment: Far more annoying than calling Barack Obama "BOB" to me, is the dozens of idiots who immediately respond with "who is Bob?". Clearly he means Barack Obama, you all clearly know it, and if it bothers you that much it would do you well to pay NO ATTENTION WHATSOEVER to it because it makes it WAY, WAY, WAY more noticeable.

Who farking cares? "Dubya, Slick Willy, Tricky Dick, Saint Reagan" are all analogous in their own right. STFU and GBTW.


You are not living up to your name.
 
2014-01-08 10:46:49 AM

the opposite of charity is justice: I'm surprised at how little honor there  is in the timing of this memoir, as there is no amazing revelation with the intended goal of changing current policy but only reflection on policies now past, the respectful action would have been to not publish until the next administration was onboard.  This reads as nothing more than a politically-timed attack to torpedo the Biden For President campaign.  I guess if you don't like someone enough that concepts like honor go right out the window.

BTW, behavior like this will surely make future administrations trust the military leadership all the more, eh Billy?


I am not sure what honor has to do with the publishing of a memoir of a political appointee.  Their 'books' are only relavant for a very short time. How is this dishonorable? the publishing of inside information is often our only glimpse into what is really happening. See Edward Snowden.
 
2014-01-08 10:47:18 AM

Brick-House: BOB


DRINK!
 
2014-01-08 10:47:45 AM

Tricky Chicken: mrshowrules: Brick-House: Stating that BOB is pure political and does not provide leadership... yep, nothing amazing about that revelation.

Who is Bob?

Is it supposed to be some play on Barak OBama? Is this supposed to be demeaning in some way or insulting?  If so, I just don't get it.

Obama's Reptiloid Master: Godf*ckingdammit we are not starting this BOB shiat again.

Now if it seems to irritate some like the above, then it will likely grow in use like the equally trite use of Shrub to refer to GWB.  I still don't get it.


Only Molly Ivins got to use Shrub! We aren't worthy of her grace.

I don't care if people call him Barry Soetoro or HUSSEIN or Fartbama or Obongo. It just lets me know they're racist. I don't care if they say BHO or Obummer or N0bama because c'mon.

BOB doesn't make sense. It's... moronic. It's like me calling Bush "Arboreus." Tangentially related, but utterly off base and stupid.
 
2014-01-08 10:48:53 AM

the opposite of charity is justice: I'm surprised at how little honor there  is in the timing of this memoir, as there is no amazing revelation with the intended goal of changing current policy but only reflection on policies now past, the respectful action would have been to not publish until the next administration was onboard.  This reads as nothing more than a politically-timed attack to torpedo the Biden For President campaign.  I guess if you don't like someone enough that concepts like honor go right out the window.

BTW, behavior like this will surely make future administrations trust the military leadership all the more, eh Billy?


Yeah, I had a lot of respect for Gates. So much for that, he's revealed himself to be a partisan tool like the rest of em.
 
2014-01-08 10:48:58 AM

Tricky Chicken: mrshowrules: Brick-House: Stating that BOB is pure political and does not provide leadership... yep, nothing amazing about that revelation.

Who is Bob?

Is it supposed to be some play on Barak OBama? Is this supposed to be demeaning in some way or insulting?  If so, I just don't get it.

Obama's Reptiloid Master: Godf*ckingdammit we are not starting this BOB shiat again.

Now if it seems to irritate some like the above, then it will likely grow in use like the equally trite use of Shrub to refer to GWB.  I still don't get it.


A nick name based on letters from the President's name.  Very clever (well not really).  Maybe if he keeps posting it in every political thread, it will gain some popularity.
 
2014-01-08 10:49:40 AM
This is where I publicly announce I'm not commenting any further in this thread because it's just going to devolve into a shiatshow of namecalling and passive-aggressive douchebaggery. Feel free to berate me at will, gentlemen, because I have a pocket full of farks and I'm not giving you a single one of them.

Though, my original point stands, and I REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE OTHERWISE.

/That sounds Republican.
//Am I Republican?
 
2014-01-08 10:49:41 AM

Diogenes: ferretman: "Hillary Rodham Clinton, a likely Democratic Party standard-bearer in the 2016 presidential contest, staked out her military-related positions in the 2008 race based on how they would play politically"

"Obama, too, 'conceded vaguely that [his] opposition to the Iraq surge had been political"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2535513/Former-defense-secre ta ry-says-Hillary-Obama-admitted-staking-Iraq-policy-2008-presidential-c ampaign-based-election-politics.html

I'm not about to say it's right that people are politically calculating when trying to win elections and sway public perception.  But let's not treat it like it's some huge "reveal" either.

You must have volumes of accumulated FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: links.


When there are statements like:


As I recall, most of us voted for Obama primarily because of his anti-war stance. A lot of us are dismayed that he's carried it on for so long, but I do understand why it had to be continued.
 They've been duped....Obama did not believe in the 'Anti-war' stance...only stated it to get peoples votes...and it worked....the voters bought it hook, line & sinker.
 
2014-01-08 10:50:09 AM
Obama is anti-war? Must be news to the families of the thousands we've killed with drone strikes. I guess that doesn't really count, though. So, he likes reigning down death from killer robots in the sky, but not war.
 
2014-01-08 10:50:17 AM

Brick-House: BOB is our Liar in Chief, the one, the only  Barack O Bama


"Liar in Chief".  Did you have help with that one also or did you think of it all by yourself?
 
2014-01-08 10:52:47 AM

ferretman: Diogenes: ferretman: "Hillary Rodham Clinton, a likely Democratic Party standard-bearer in the 2016 presidential contest, staked out her military-related positions in the 2008 race based on how they would play politically"

"Obama, too, 'conceded vaguely that [his] opposition to the Iraq surge had been political"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2535513/Former-defense-secre ta ry-says-Hillary-Obama-admitted-staking-Iraq-policy-2008-presidential-c ampaign-based-election-politics.html

I'm not about to say it's right that people are politically calculating when trying to win elections and sway public perception.  But let's not treat it like it's some huge "reveal" either.

You must have volumes of accumulated FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: links.

When there are statements like:


As I recall, most of us voted for Obama primarily because of his anti-war stance. A lot of us are dismayed that he's carried it on for so long, but I do understand why it had to be continued.
 They've been duped....Obama did not believe in the 'Anti-war' stance...only stated it to get peoples votes...and it worked....the voters bought it hook, line & sinker.


My god, if only he'd lied to get us INTO a war!

I wasn't voting for Bush regardless of Obama's position on the war.
 
2014-01-08 10:53:23 AM

Diogenes: I wasn't voting for Bush regardless of Obama's position on the war.


Err...McCain.  *headsmack*
 
2014-01-08 10:53:41 AM

Nabb1: Obama is anti-war? Must be news to the families of the thousands we've killed with drone strikes. I guess that doesn't really count, though. So, he likes reigning down death from killer robots in the sky, but not war.


Never understood why drones were some how worse than bombing.
 
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