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(Jezebel)   NBC won't livestream the Opening Ceremonies at Sochi next month, instead will edit it into one package that will "maximize the viewing experience." Translated: "USA. USA. USA"   (jezebel.com) divider line 167
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2014-01-08 08:20:37 AM
Didn't they do this last time with the major events too?

USA. USA. USA.  Corporate Greed! Corporate Greed! Corporate Greed!
 
2014-01-08 08:25:33 AM
NBC is awful. Just, awful.

That said, if they live-stream all of the events like they did in 2012, I won't spend the whole two weeks biatching like I did in 2010.
 
2014-01-08 08:28:54 AM
I assume NBC will be ready to fill in if those forgetful Russians forget to have a segment in the ceremony explaining how Ronald Reagan saved the Russian people from Communists
 
2014-01-08 08:32:34 AM

BunkoSquad: I assume NBC will be ready to fill in if those forgetful Russians forget to have a segment in the ceremony explaining how Ronald Reagan saved the Russian people from Communists


Fox News has 30 segments already lined up for that.
 
2014-01-08 09:42:17 AM
If they don't livestream it we won't know what they edit out and will be much happier.
 
2014-01-08 10:27:17 AM
do you know why NBC does this?  BECAUSE YOU DUCK DYNASTY WATCHING NIMRODS LOVE THE PER-PRODUCED CRAP.
 
2014-01-08 10:48:08 AM

big_pth: do you know why NBC does this?  BECAUSE YOU DUCK DYNASTY WATCHING NIMRODS LOVE THE PER-PRODUCED CRAP.


It's not the Duck Dynasty nimrods. Dick Ebersol is solely responsible for the way the Olympics are packaged and brought to you. Because he figured out decades ago, that selling and airing the Olympics as a sporting event wasn't working. The vast majority of events are not sports people follow year round. He changed it to a package of human interest stories. He took this over in the 1980s and it worked. The vast majority of people who watch the Olympics are not avid sports fans. They need stories spoon fed to them with a heavy helping of sentimental, under-dog, look-how-hard-this-youngster-worked-to-get-here bullshiat (as if almost every athlete from every country hasn't devoted similar energy to getting to the Olympics). And he has been open about that strategy and absolutely refuses to change it because the ratings back him up.
 
2014-01-08 12:39:11 PM

Nabb1: big_pth: do you know why NBC does this?  BECAUSE YOU DUCK DYNASTY WATCHING NIMRODS LOVE THE PER-PRODUCED CRAP.

It's not the Duck Dynasty nimrods. Dick Ebersol is solely responsible for the way the Olympics are packaged and brought to you. Because he figured out decades ago, that selling and airing the Olympics as a sporting event wasn't working. The vast majority of events are not sports people follow year round. He changed it to a package of human interest stories. He took this over in the 1980s and it worked. The vast majority of people who watch the Olympics are not avid sports fans. They need stories spoon fed to them with a heavy helping of sentimental, under-dog, look-how-hard-this-youngster-worked-to-get-here bullshiat (as if almost every athlete from every country hasn't devoted similar energy to getting to the Olympics). And he has been open about that strategy and absolutely refuses to change it because the ratings back him up.


NBC isn't the only one...  *cough*TEBOW*cough*
 
2014-01-08 12:52:26 PM
I guess we'll just have to watch a foreign feed online. fark you, peacock.
 
2014-01-08 12:52:49 PM
Stream or not, live or not.  Can somebody just kill the microphones to the color commentators during the opening ceremonies?  I'd like to actually be able to listen to the event while watching it.
 
2014-01-08 12:58:49 PM

BizarreMan: Stream or not, live or not.  Can somebody just kill the microphones to the color commentators during the opening ceremonies?  I'd like to actually be able to listen to the event while watching it.


Oh come on! The London commentary was so insightful!
 
2014-01-08 01:07:04 PM

DamnYankees: BizarreMan: Stream or not, live or not.  Can somebody just kill the microphones to the color commentators during the opening ceremonies?  I'd like to actually be able to listen to the event while watching it.

Oh come on! The London commentary was so insightful!


Speaking of London, if you're going to tease a particular performer, don't tease it for hours during one block of coverage, break away for some show about a chimp who is a doctor? followed by the local news and and then come back in the late night coverage and show the performance.
 
2014-01-08 01:50:25 PM
They got torn to bits over what they did in London. Instead of learning their lesson they are just like.....
 persephonemagazine.com
 
2014-01-08 02:00:24 PM
http://olympics.cbc.ca/

I'm cool with the old people who watch TV getting spoon fed their pablum. I'll stick to the raw streams from the web.
 
2014-01-08 02:13:47 PM

DamnYankees: I guess we'll just have to watch a foreign feed online. fark you, peacock.


This. My wife was shocked at all the stuff she been missing for decades seeing only the US feed. What more almost every other country in the world don't have commercials during it.
 
2014-01-08 02:14:25 PM
bbc coverage of London, especially using expatshield, was freakin' phenomenal!  I look forward to streaming again this time.  F Costas and Ebersol
 
2014-01-08 02:15:53 PM

Nabb1: It's not the Duck Dynasty nimrods. Dick Ebersol is solely responsible for the way the Olympics are packaged and brought to you. Because he figured out decades ago, that selling and airing the Olympics as a sporting event wasn't working. The vast majority of events are not sports people follow year round. He changed it to a package of human interest stories. He took this over in the 1980s and it worked. The vast majority of people who watch the Olympics are not avid sports fans. They need stories spoon fed to them with a heavy helping of sentimental, under-dog, look-how-hard-this-youngster-worked-to-get-here bullshiat (as if almost every athlete from every country hasn't devoted similar energy to getting to the Olympics). And he has been open about that strategy and absolutely refuses to change it because the ratings back him up.



The last sentence is the big part of it. They prepackage it because getting the rights to the Olympics for the US market costs a fortune. If you play the events on TV live, less people will watch the prime time coverage. Prime time ad rates are significantly higher than the rates for at like 2pm or 4am. So even if you might have the same number of viewers watching an event no matter when you play it, if you force them to watch it at 9pm, NBC makes more money.
 
2014-01-08 02:15:53 PM
I know it's Sochi, but for some reason I read it as Xochitl.
 
2014-01-08 02:17:40 PM
Is there any reason to watch the Olympics?
 
2014-01-08 02:19:38 PM

Nabb1: big_pth: do you know why NBC does this?  BECAUSE YOU DUCK DYNASTY WATCHING NIMRODS LOVE THE PER-PRODUCED CRAP.

It's not the Duck Dynasty nimrods. Dick Ebersol is solely responsible for the way the Olympics are packaged and brought to you. Because he figured out decades ago, that selling and airing the Olympics as a sporting event wasn't working. The vast majority of events are not sports people follow year round. He changed it to a package of human interest stories. He took this over in the 1980s and it worked. The vast majority of people who watch the Olympics are not avid sports fans. They need stories spoon fed to them with a heavy helping of sentimental, under-dog, look-how-hard-this-youngster-worked-to-get-here bullshiat (as if almost every athlete from every country hasn't devoted similar energy to getting to the Olympics). And he has been open about that strategy and absolutely refuses to change it because the ratings back him up.


I'm not sure why they can't do this and also provide a livestream online.
 
2014-01-08 02:20:41 PM
I wonder how far away they'll be shooting Bob Kostas' head shot this time.

I can hardly wait for those exciting commercials! They're much better than those stupid Super Bowl commercials! They're the tits.
 
2014-01-08 02:21:52 PM

BizarreMan: Stream or not, live or not.  Can somebody just kill the microphones to the color commentators during the opening ceremonies?  I'd like to actually be able to listen to the event while watching it.


But, but, how will I know what I'm looking at?!?

I need a peppy talking head to let me know that the people wearing athletic clothing and holding the Canadian flags are the athletes from Canada.
 
2014-01-08 02:23:06 PM

DamnYankees: I'm not sure why they can't do this and also provide a livestream online.


Because there's no way for a livestream to lead into the premiere of NBC's next hit* comedy, Growing Up Fisher.

* read: cancelled in three weeks
 
2014-01-08 02:27:32 PM
Will Putin be parachuting in like the Queen.
 
2014-01-08 02:27:52 PM
Which is sadder, the not showing it or the grown men complaining about how they don't get to watch a parade and talking about how they're going to get an illegal feed of it?
 
2014-01-08 02:28:35 PM

DamnYankees: Nabb1: big_pth: do you know why NBC does this?  BECAUSE YOU DUCK DYNASTY WATCHING NIMRODS LOVE THE PER-PRODUCED CRAP.

It's not the Duck Dynasty nimrods. Dick Ebersol is solely responsible for the way the Olympics are packaged and brought to you. Because he figured out decades ago, that selling and airing the Olympics as a sporting event wasn't working. The vast majority of events are not sports people follow year round. He changed it to a package of human interest stories. He took this over in the 1980s and it worked. The vast majority of people who watch the Olympics are not avid sports fans. They need stories spoon fed to them with a heavy helping of sentimental, under-dog, look-how-hard-this-youngster-worked-to-get-here bullshiat (as if almost every athlete from every country hasn't devoted similar energy to getting to the Olympics). And he has been open about that strategy and absolutely refuses to change it because the ratings back him up.

I'm not sure why they can't do this and also provide a livestream online.


They probably will for the events* but the Opening Ceremonies are often the most-watched broadcast and they figure it's not like you're going to have it spoiled for you so, why not?  I don't think it would sap the audience much either but, then again, I'm not paid millions of dollars to make those decisions.

* - Cable subscription needed for events broadcast on MSNBC, CNBC, and NBCSN and no archive available for events to be broadcast in the evening.
 
2014-01-08 02:28:49 PM
What a bummer. Now all the thrill of watching the entire opening ceremony is ruined. i guess I'll have to watch the entire Rose Parade I have taped again.
 
2014-01-08 02:30:16 PM

uncleacid: Will Putin be parachuting in like the Queen.


Parachute? The asshole wont even give a reach around
 
2014-01-08 02:30:23 PM

Obscure Login: BizarreMan: Stream or not, live or not.  Can somebody just kill the microphones to the color commentators during the opening ceremonies?  I'd like to actually be able to listen to the event while watching it.

But, but, how will I know what I'm looking at?!?

I need a peppy talking head to let me know that the people wearing athletic clothing and holding the Canadian flags are the athletes from Canada.


Oh God, this.

Admittedly, I don't know every country's flag, but isn't that what the announcer at the opening ceremony is for? To...announce wtf is going on? Having network talking heads during the OC is redundant.

I have found that hitting the "mute" button relieves about 80% of my aggravation at TV sports.
 
2014-01-08 02:32:33 PM
That's a shame.  Being held in Russia, this is probably going to be the least gay opening ceremony in decades.
 
2014-01-08 02:32:42 PM
So they are going to show the US entrance and every other country will be smashed into one Worker and Parasite cartoon?
 
2014-01-08 02:32:59 PM

DamnYankees: Nabb1: big_pth: do you know why NBC does this?  BECAUSE YOU DUCK DYNASTY WATCHING NIMRODS LOVE THE PER-PRODUCED CRAP.

It's not the Duck Dynasty nimrods. Dick Ebersol is solely responsible for the way the Olympics are packaged and brought to you. Because he figured out decades ago, that selling and airing the Olympics as a sporting event wasn't working. The vast majority of events are not sports people follow year round. He changed it to a package of human interest stories. He took this over in the 1980s and it worked. The vast majority of people who watch the Olympics are not avid sports fans. They need stories spoon fed to them with a heavy helping of sentimental, under-dog, look-how-hard-this-youngster-worked-to-get-here bullshiat (as if almost every athlete from every country hasn't devoted similar energy to getting to the Olympics). And he has been open about that strategy and absolutely refuses to change it because the ratings back him up.

I'm not sure why they can't do this and also provide a livestream online.


I'm guessing that they think the revenue created by the livestream would be less than the money lost by people who would suck it up and watch it on TV watching the livestream instead.
 
2014-01-08 02:33:27 PM
Here's the problem: NBC just doesn't think of the Olympics as a sport.

It thinks of it as a reality show, with unscripted drama to film, edit, and repackage with swirling orchestral scores for the home viewing audience. It needs to have main characters, and heroes, and villains, and memes, and a narrative that will keep people watching and talking about (and maybe even a shipper angle or two). But it doesn't necessarily need to have any sports in it.
 
2014-01-08 02:33:45 PM
Somebody really needs to get the Olympics away from NBC.
 
2014-01-08 02:34:19 PM
I've never understood watching the opening or closing ceremonies.  It's like the introductions before a ballgame, basically a 3 hour long pissbreak.
 
2014-01-08 02:35:03 PM
 
2014-01-08 02:35:53 PM

Anderson's Pooper: bbc coverage of London, especially using expatshield, was freakin' phenomenal!  I look forward to streaming again this time.  F Costas and Ebersol


100% agree. Are they planning on having similar wall-to-wall coverage of every heat/round of every event? I couldn't believe how much Olympics I watched (and replays, too) just because it was all available at the click of a button and organized very neatly. It was outstanding!
 
2014-01-08 02:36:09 PM

Ishkur: Here's the problem: NBC just doesn't think of the Olympics as a sport.

It thinks of it as a reality show, with unscripted drama to film, edit, and repackage with swirling orchestral scores for the home viewing audience. It needs to have main characters, and heroes, and villains, and memes, and a narrative that will keep people watching and talking about (and maybe even a shipper angle or two). But it doesn't necessarily need to have any sports in it.


As Nabb1 pointed out, this happens because the public would rather watch the Olympics as a reality show than as a sporting event.
 
2014-01-08 02:36:14 PM

Olympic Trolling Judge: DamnYankees: I'm not sure why they can't do this and also provide a livestream online.

Because there's no way for a livestream to lead into the premiere of NBC's next hit* comedy, Growing Up Fisher.

* read: cancelled in three weeks


is that their hilarious take on the early life of amy fisher?  i wonder who they would get to play joey buttafuoco
 
2014-01-08 02:36:18 PM
Nabb1:
It's not the Duck Dynasty nimrods. Dick Ebersol is solely responsible for the way the Olympics are packaged and brought to you. Because he figured out decades ago, that selling and airing the Olympics as a sporting event wasn't working. The vast majority of events are not sports people follow year round. He changed it to a package of human interest stories.

The problem with a lot of Olympic events - the way they run the schedule, anyway - is that you get a really neat shot of some people doing something amazingly athletic for 30 seconds, then ten minutes of getting set up for the next event.

The other problem is that most people - yes, even the ones who supposedly love particular events aren't that interested in the events where the two lowest-ranked skiers face off for who comes in last. Unless one of them is really interesting in some other way. Face it: to most people (yes, even the most rabid sports fans, and even the fans of those particular sports), most unedited sporting events are dead-flat boring to watch.
 
2014-01-08 02:39:21 PM
So 24 commercial breaks, no athlete/judges/officials oath, the country that marches immediately before or after the US getting dropped off camera completely, and yeah I am looking for the Moldovan feed again this year or somebody livestreaming the world feed.
 
2014-01-08 02:40:53 PM

cgraves67: Somebody really needs to get the Olympics away from NBC.


This.

Also, why are we talking about Duck Dynasty? Shut up about Duck Dynasty. They ain't in the Olympics. Shut up.
 
2014-01-08 02:41:37 PM
More likely, I think, is that they're terrified of groups staging protest actions that NBC might be sued for, were it to broadcast them. By editing the opening ceremonies, they can cut any such incidents out, and even if none happen, they can still snip out parts to put commercials in instead.
 
2014-01-08 02:45:06 PM

cgraves67: Somebody really needs to get the Olympics away from NBC.


Yeah, because it'll be completely different when another huge TV network pays billions of dollars for the Olympic rights.  You'll see everything live with limited commercial interruption, because some network is just dying to come along to lose a shiatload of money to give you the broadcast you deserve.
 
2014-01-08 02:45:47 PM
They have to make sure to edit out all of the oppression of gay people.
 
2014-01-08 02:46:06 PM

cgraves67: Somebody really needs to get the Olympics away from NBC.


The IOC may do it themselves if NBC engages in too much more farkmuppetry. They damn near took the Paralympics away after London's was relegated to something like a 5-hour special a week and a half after the Closing Ceremony.

NBC, for the record, got the message on that one. They intend to air 50 hours of Paralympics coverage this time out (most of it on NBC Sports)- still far short of what other countries will be doing, but it at least acknowledges that the Paralympics exist.
 
2014-01-08 02:46:08 PM

cgraves67: Somebody really needs to get the Olympics away from NBC.


It cost NBC $775 million just for Sochi which was part of a bigger 4.38 billion dollar deal for the rights from 2014-2020. Who else has that kind of cash or than another major network? Does anyone thing that the olympics on ABC (with support from ESPN) would be any better? Especially keep in mind that generally when you compare the cost of getting the rights to the advertising dollars you make, the Olympics are usually a money loser (I think Lonon might have been the first time in a long while that NBC made money).
 
2014-01-08 02:48:47 PM

mechgreg: cgraves67: Somebody really needs to get the Olympics away from NBC.

It cost NBC $775 million just for Sochi which was part of a bigger 4.38 billion dollar deal for the rights from 2014-2020. Who else has that kind of cash or than another major network? Does anyone thing that the olympics on ABC (with support from ESPN) would be any better? Especially keep in mind that generally when you compare the cost of getting the rights to the advertising dollars you make, the Olympics are usually a money loser (I think Lonon might have been the first time in a long while that NBC made money).


FOX, I'd imagine. They've already wrested the World Cup out of ESPN's hands; they may well make a play for the Olympics before too much longer.
 
2014-01-08 02:49:13 PM
This was the right call. They know that with no gay people being involved the ceremonies simply will not bring the fabulous and want to show something non-boring to the viewing audience.

Makes perfect sense.
 
2014-01-08 02:49:31 PM
This is one of those times I'm glad I have zero interest in the Winter Olympics, particularly the opening ceremonies.
 
2014-01-08 02:50:33 PM

cgraves67: Somebody really needs to get the Olympics away from NBC.


I hope Dick Ebersol sucks cocks in hell.  And Bob Costas can watch while giving overly senitmental details of his life story while wearing an ugly sweater.
 
2014-01-08 02:50:52 PM
As long as they dedicate one of their channels to showing curling 18 hours per day and another to hockey, I'm all set.
 
2014-01-08 02:51:38 PM

llortcM_yllort: As Nabb1 pointed out, this happens because the public would rather watch the Olympics as a reality show than as a sporting event.


And he has a point: The truth is most of the events in the Olympics are not a vital component of the American sports diet, so it's like they have to educate and inform about not just the contests, but the participants, in addition to providing insightful analysis. You don't necessarily have to do that about most of the other big sports.

On the other hand, for some reason this isn't a problem for Canadians. We like sports, and we watch everything, even if no Canadians are in it.
 
2014-01-08 02:53:31 PM
Gotta make sure the false flag terroist attack matches "offical narrative".
 
2014-01-08 03:00:13 PM
So does that mean Animal Practice is premiering again after the pre-packaged ceremony?
 
2014-01-08 03:00:49 PM

BizarreMan: DamnYankees: BizarreMan: Stream or not, live or not.  Can somebody just kill the microphones to the color commentators during the opening ceremonies?  I'd like to actually be able to listen to the event while watching it.

Oh come on! The London commentary was so insightful!

Speaking of London, if you're going to tease a particular performer, don't tease it for hours during one block of coverage, break away for some show about a chimp who is a doctor? followed by the local news and and then come back in the late night coverage and show the performance.



Thnak you, I couldn't remember the premise for that horrible farking show the hyped for two weeks that barely lasted two episodes.

I wonder what awful steaming shiat pile will be hyped to death this time?
 
2014-01-08 03:01:28 PM
Oh, goody! I hope they again edit out all the nations nobody cares about during the march of nations. It not only speeds things up, it gives more time for advertisers!
 
2014-01-08 03:02:04 PM

cirby: The other problem is that most people - yes, even the ones who supposedly love particular events aren't that interested in the events where the two lowest-ranked skiers face off for who comes in last. Unless one of them is really interesting in some other way. Face it: to most people (yes, even the most rabid sports fans, and even the fans of those particular sports), most unedited sporting events are dead-flat boring to watch.


I think the Olympics is of more interest to Europeans because of all the cultural proximity over there. You can drive through 14 countries and 10 different languages on one tank of gas. So when the Olympics comes around, there's a real nationalistic sentiment: Slovenia vs Slovakia or Austria vs. Switzerland. The nordic countries are fiercely competitive as are the former Soviet states. That fan rivalry generates a lot of interest.

You don't have that in America. There is no bordering culture for someone in Nebraska to care about. But you do have a close equivalent in your college football/basketball rivalries. A hockey game between Sweden and Finland is like the Iron Bowl between Auburn and Alabama: Very territorial, fiercely contested, and to the winner goes bragging rights. When America wins gold in skiing, that's fine, but there are no Austrians around to rub their faces in it. On the other hand, you never know when you might meet a Sooners alumni, and that's when you gotta bring the pain!!

Hence the reason for decreasing interest in the Olympics for Americans.
 
2014-01-08 03:02:37 PM
Eh, the winter olympics are only good for pervertedly leering at underage figure skaters
 
2014-01-08 03:02:58 PM
Translation:  MOAR SHAUN WHITE!!!  MOAR LINDSEY VONN!!!  MOAR MICHAEL PHELPS!!!

/some Sydney Crosby
 
2014-01-08 03:03:54 PM

DanZero: So does that mean Animal Practice is premiering again after the pre-packaged ceremony?


This time they are showing the Director's Cut with audio commentary.
 
2014-01-08 03:04:25 PM

uncleacid: Will Putin be parachuting in like the Queen.


Freddy mercury lives?
 
2014-01-08 03:04:51 PM

cgraves67: Somebody really needs to get the Olympics away from NBC.


ESPN
 
2014-01-08 03:05:17 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Is there any reason to watch the Olympics?


Occasionally someone's boob falls out of her uniform/costume. Some of the females are hot.

Otherwise, nope
 
2014-01-08 03:06:31 PM

SomeoneDumb: Oh, goody! I hope they again edit out all the nations nobody cares about during the march of nations. It not only speeds things up, it gives more time for advertisers!


This is the Winter Olympics.  Already been done.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-01-08 03:08:15 PM

Gosling: mechgreg: cgraves67: Somebody really needs to get the Olympics away from NBC.

It cost NBC $775 million just for Sochi which was part of a bigger 4.38 billion dollar deal for the rights from 2014-2020. Who else has that kind of cash or than another major network? Does anyone thing that the olympics on ABC (with support from ESPN) would be any better? Especially keep in mind that generally when you compare the cost of getting the rights to the advertising dollars you make, the Olympics are usually a money loser (I think Lonon might have been the first time in a long while that NBC made money).

FOX, I'd imagine. They've already wrested the World Cup out of ESPN's hands; they may well make a play for the Olympics before too much longer.


Yes please let it be FOX, if it's one thing the Olympics need it's dancing robots!!
 
2014-01-08 03:08:29 PM
Can't I just livestream it via the BBC or Al Jazeera?
 
2014-01-08 03:14:43 PM
It was ABC that started all that up close and personal crap. Just show the games.
 
2014-01-08 03:15:47 PM

star_topology: I'm still pissed that NBC cut out the segment remembering the victims of London's 2012 terrorist attacks.


I'm pissed they cut Ray Davies.
 
2014-01-08 03:16:40 PM

Yanks_RSJ: As long as they dedicate one of their channels to showing curling 18 hours per day and another to hockey, I'm all set.


So you want the CBC, then.
 
2014-01-08 03:16:47 PM

under a mountain: Yes please let it be FOX, if it's one thing the Olympics need it's dancing robots!!


And Joe Buck.
 
2014-01-08 03:19:26 PM

Five Tails of Fury: Yanks_RSJ: As long as they dedicate one of their channels to showing curling 18 hours per day and another to hockey, I'm all set.

So you want the CBC, then.


That would be fine, but I'm not one of those people who claim to like sports but won't pay for cable, so I'll be fine with NBCSN, USA, MSNBC, CNBC or any of the other channels available to me.
 
2014-01-08 03:21:48 PM
Don't worry, I'll just watch a live stream somewhere else. Hey NBC, its 2014. The internet exists you jackasses.
 
2014-01-08 03:28:00 PM

Slaves2Darkness: Is there any reason to watch the Olympics?


The hockey tourney...that's pretty much it for me.
 
2014-01-08 03:30:23 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Five Tails of Fury: Yanks_RSJ: As long as they dedicate one of their channels to showing curling 18 hours per day and another to hockey, I'm all set.

So you want the CBC, then.

That would be fine, but I'm not one of those people who claim to like sports but won't pay for cable, so I'll be fine with NBCSN, USA, MSNBC, CNBC or any of the other channels available to me.


Yeah I'll happily watch the CBC's coverage instead, specifically for hockey.
 
2014-01-08 03:32:15 PM
I think I'm in vast minority of people, but I greatly prefer the Winter Olympics to the Summer.  I am actually interested in the majority of the sports and love watching them.  I'd rather watch short track speed skating than some random swimming event or ski jump over the long jump.

/YMMV
 
2014-01-08 03:35:13 PM
And let's just say that Fox ends up getting the rights to the Olympics in the future. You know if that happened, one of their first moves would be to try and hire Ebersol in a consulting role at the least.

Like it or not, Ebersol's Olympic shows have brought a ton of eyeballs to NBC.
 
2014-01-08 03:38:39 PM

Go Fast Turn Left: NBC is awful. Just, awful.

That said, if they live-stream all of the events like they did in 2012, I won't spend the whole two weeks biatching like I did in 2010.


They confirmed almost immediately after London that they'd live stream all the sports again for Sochi. And frankly, not live streaming the opening ceremonies isn't the worst thing ever. I've seen the world feed with commentary from the Olympics own TV production for London's opening ceremonies and it was dismal. At least NBC's people shut up once in a while. Here's the proof. Just watch it for 5 minutes or so.

Anyway, there's always the BBC via ExpatShield.
 
2014-01-08 03:39:01 PM
Also, one other note. I love how the American networks are completely ignoring the fact that young Americans like me don't often have a tv or at the very least are less likely to sit down and watch something in a traditional manner. I still watch tv, I just don't sit down as specific times to watch this or that. My time is more precious to me than that. The networks can only milk the old farts for so long.
 
2014-01-08 03:41:21 PM

12349876: SomeoneDumb: Oh, goody! I hope they again edit out all the nations nobody cares about during the march of nations. It not only speeds things up, it gives more time for advertisers!

This is the Winter Olympics.  Already been done.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 600x263]


Hold on a sec. Libya has a Winter Olympic team???
 
2014-01-08 03:44:12 PM

bbfreak: My time is more precious to me than that.


Aw, that's nice.
 
2014-01-08 03:46:58 PM
 
2014-01-08 03:47:16 PM

desertgeek: They confirmed almost immediately after London that they'd live stream all the sports again for Sochi. And frankly, not live streaming the opening ceremonies isn't the worst thing ever. I've seen the world feed with commentary from the Olympics own TV production for London's opening ceremonies and it was dismal. At least NBC's people shut up once in a while. Here's the proof. Just watch it for 5 minutes or so.


With a live event, any live event, you are either there with everyone else or you're not. By the time NBC gets around to airing it, Twitter and Facebook will have long since lit up with the highlights, telling much of the nonlive audience what to be looking for when NBC airs it later on.
 
2014-01-08 03:47:40 PM

Fisty Bum: I think I'm in vast minority of people, but I greatly prefer the Winter Olympics to the Summer.  I am actually interested in the majority of the sports and love watching them.  I'd rather watch short track speed skating than some random swimming event or ski jump over the long jump.

/YMMV


Fencing's a summer sport though, right? I seem to recall, either last olympics or the one before it, there was a female sabreist who was basically the God of Distance. She had that down *perfect*.
 
2014-01-08 03:53:31 PM

Rwa2play: Yanks_RSJ: Five Tails of Fury: Yanks_RSJ: As long as they dedicate one of their channels to showing curling 18 hours per day and another to hockey, I'm all set.

So you want the CBC, then.

That would be fine, but I'm not one of those people who claim to like sports but won't pay for cable, so I'll be fine with NBCSN, USA, MSNBC, CNBC or any of the other channels available to me.

Yeah I'll happily watch the CBC's coverage instead, specifically for hockey.


NBC's network prime time coverage is terrible and practically unwatchable.

NBC's "subnetwork" coverage (CNBC, MSNBC, NBCSN, etc.) actually isn't bad at all. Mostly actual sports coverage with very little BS.
 
2014-01-08 03:53:37 PM

Trocadero: Hold on a sec. Libya has a Winter Olympic team???


I'm unable to confirm that on the official site(s), although the Sochi official one doesn't seem to be fully updated. Athlete delegation rosters aren't finalized for about another month, which might have something to do with it.

For access to foreign Olympic streaming coverage, I've used FoxyProxy for both Vancouver and London and found it tremendously useful. It's not free, but the price is pretty reasonable for a 2-week event and the proxies are hella reliable.
 
2014-01-08 03:56:16 PM

Inchoate: Trocadero: Hold on a sec. Libya has a Winter Olympic team???

I'm unable to confirm that on the official site(s), although the Sochi official one doesn't seem to be fully updated. Athlete delegation rosters aren't finalized for about another month, which might have something to do with it.

For access to foreign Olympic streaming coverage, I've used FoxyProxy for both Vancouver and London and found it tremendously useful. It's not free, but the price is pretty reasonable for a 2-week event and the proxies are hella reliable.


I use PureVPN for most of what I do with FIBT YouTube streams being blocked in the USA during bobsled & skeleton season. $10/month but it's well worth it if you have a lot of "gettin' around stuff" you need to do.
 
2014-01-08 03:57:01 PM

Tax Boy: Rwa2play: Yanks_RSJ: Five Tails of Fury: Yanks_RSJ: As long as they dedicate one of their channels to showing curling 18 hours per day and another to hockey, I'm all set.

So you want the CBC, then.

That would be fine, but I'm not one of those people who claim to like sports but won't pay for cable, so I'll be fine with NBCSN, USA, MSNBC, CNBC or any of the other channels available to me.

Yeah I'll happily watch the CBC's coverage instead, specifically for hockey.

NBC's network prime time coverage is terrible and practically unwatchable.

NBC's "subnetwork" coverage (CNBC, MSNBC, NBCSN, etc.) actually isn't bad at all. Mostly actual sports coverage with very little BS.


NBCSN is a diamond in the rough. If only they'd get some NBA rights, we could have the greatest sports theme song OF ALL TIME back.
http://youtu.be/V_h7Lm7C9Nk
 
2014-01-08 03:57:35 PM

Felgraf: Fencing's a summer sport though, right?


If they combined fencing and skiing, THAT would be worth watching.
 
2014-01-08 04:01:53 PM
This is why i turn to the CBC for Winter Olympics coverage, especially hockey.

And being a life-long Rangers fan, which is an exercise in futility, we are REALLY well set up this year for olympics. I think 8 or 10 are going to represent their nations. Off the top of my head I know Hank and one other for Sweden, Cally and a few others for the US, Nash for Canada,Even the Hobbit is going to represent Norway. It's going to be a fun tournament.
 
2014-01-08 04:03:31 PM

Millennium: More likely, I think, is that they're terrified of groups staging protest actions that NBC might be sued for, were it to broadcast them. By editing the opening ceremonies, they can cut any such incidents out, and even if none happen, they can still snip out parts to put commercials in instead.


I was thinking something similar. In case "Something happens" they may not want to broadcast it live. And what with this being in Russia and the very real threats of terrorism being made by various groups against them (and they have already started) it makes some sense to hold off on the live broadcast for the opening and closing ceremonies anyway. Besides, the Summer Olympics are usually the ones with the over the top opening ceremonies. The Winter Olympics tend to be a lot more toned down in that regard. Probably because the audience is freezing their asses off as it is. This one may be a bit different though because Sochi is not all that cold of a location in comparison to the previous venues.
 
2014-01-08 04:07:20 PM

sovietski: Obscure Login: BizarreMan: Stream or not, live or not.  Can somebody just kill the microphones to the color commentators during the opening ceremonies?  I'd like to actually be able to listen to the event while watching it.

But, but, how will I know what I'm looking at?!?

I need a peppy talking head to let me know that the people wearing athletic clothing and holding the Canadian flags are the athletes from Canada.

Oh God, this.

Admittedly, I don't know every country's flag, but isn't that what the announcer at the opening ceremony is for? To...announce wtf is going on? Having network talking heads during the OC is redundant.

I have found that hitting the "mute" button relieves about 80% of my aggravation at TV sports.


During the Summer Olympics, my center-channel speaker stopped working, and it turned out all dialog was in the center channel, but the crowd and field sounds were still on left-right! So awesome. Doesn't work on all sports all the time, but try it out.
 
2014-01-08 04:15:19 PM

saintstryfe: And being a life-long Rangers fan, which is an exercise in futility, we are REALLY well set up this year for olympics. I think 8 or 10 are going to represent their nations. Off the top of my head I know Hank and one other for Sweden, Cally and a few others for the US, Nash for Canada,Even the Hobbit is going to represent Norway. It's going to be a fun tournament.


USA: Stepan, Callahan, McDonagh
Canada: Nash
Sweden: Henrik, Hagelin
Norway: Zuccarello

What's amazing is that they have 7 Olympians and are the definition of mediocre.
 
2014-01-08 04:16:23 PM

ds_4815: Would much rather watch the Irish commentators.


Spiffy. I thought the IOC had forced that to be pulled.

The wife and I do not watch sports - except for the Olympics. Then it's all Olympics all the time. The streaming of 2012 was great. But I may break down and find a live feed of the opening ceremonies.

- Jasen.
 
2014-01-08 04:16:28 PM

Go Fast Turn Left: NBC is awful. Just, awful.

That said, if they live-stream all of the events like they did in 2012, I won't spend the whole two weeks biatching like I did in 2010.


Amen.

If I had any other option, Telemundo, Al Jazerra, One-Eyed-Jethro's Olympic Showcase & Better Cooking with Meth cable access show, whatever, I'd take it.
 
2014-01-08 04:16:59 PM
The commentary on the live broadcast of the opening ceremonies of the Olympics was appalling.

Every country that came in, the commentators were basically only sort of asking if they were terrorists or not or if we were going to be in war with them soon or not.

They had done zero homework, didn't know a single athlete from any of the countries and what sports different countries were expect to medal in

Doing a live broadcast is a bad idea. Better edited and reviewed.
 
2014-01-08 04:17:48 PM

doubled99: What a bummer. Now all the thrill of watching the entire opening ceremony is ruined. i guess I'll have to watch the entire Rose Parade I have taped again.


Good God, don't even threaten such a thing.

/one of the worst broadcasts ever
//Can we just ban the Scott brothers from doing ANYTHING other than their shows, so we know what to avoid
 
2014-01-08 04:19:43 PM

star_topology: I'm still pissed that NBC cut out the segment remembering the victims of London's 2012 terrorist attacks.


That's what will happen here.  NBC won't allow anything to be shown that doesn't portray Russia as a bunch of raving homophobes.

Sadly, the olympics used to be about athletes coming together and ignoring political differences for the purpose of competition.  It was a time to put all that BS aside and celebrate what we had in common with the hope that looking at ourselves in that manner would be a building block toward change for the betterment of humanity.
 
2014-01-08 04:20:01 PM

mr0x: They had done zero homework, didn't know a single athlete from any of the countries and what sports different countries were expect to medal in


Let's all remember that you're asking them to basically have a job where they know a few sports most of the year, then every four years they have to pretend they know about tens of thousands of athletes from all over the world, most of which aren't going to win anything and will never be remembered by anyone but their families...and that information is useful for all of a span of one day to two weeks. Because after the Olympics, everyone goes back to not giving a flying f*ck about any of the sports that were just so "important" to them.
 
2014-01-08 04:22:07 PM

12349876: SomeoneDumb: Oh, goody! I hope they again edit out all the nations nobody cares about during the march of nations. It not only speeds things up, it gives more time for advertisers!

This is the Winter Olympics.  Already been done.

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Saddest map I've seen today.
 
2014-01-08 04:27:17 PM

Radioactive Ass: Millennium: More likely, I think, is that they're terrified of groups staging protest actions that NBC might be sued for, were it to broadcast them. By editing the opening ceremonies, they can cut any such incidents out, and even if none happen, they can still snip out parts to put commercials in instead.

I was thinking something similar. In case "Something happens" they may not want to broadcast it live. And what with this being in Russia and the very real threats of terrorism being made by various groups against them (and they have already started) it makes some sense to hold off on the live broadcast for the opening and closing ceremonies anyway. Besides, the Summer Olympics are usually the ones with the over the top opening ceremonies. The Winter Olympics tend to be a lot more toned down in that regard. Probably because the audience is freezing their asses off as it is. This one may be a bit different though because Sochi is not all that cold of a location in comparison to the previous venues.


It would be fitting for a major terrorist attack to hit the Olympics and NBC cuts to Coke commercial instead, like putting blinders on a horse while the BBC et al show it all and confront the reality of it. Out of sight, out of mind, right? And hopefully none of our viewers check any other news or internet news resources to find out what they missed!
 
2014-01-08 04:28:11 PM

IAmRight: mr0x: They had done zero homework, didn't know a single athlete from any of the countries and what sports different countries were expect to medal in

Let's all remember that you're asking them to basically have a job where they know a few sports most of the year, then every four years they have to pretend they know about tens of thousands of athletes from all over the world, most of which aren't going to win anything and will never be remembered by anyone but their families...and that information is useful for all of a span of one day to two weeks. Because after the Olympics, everyone goes back to not giving a flying f*ck about any of the sports that were just so "important" to them.


It is pretty unreasonable to expect them to do any research before hand, or to work with a staff of researchers instead of hair dressers. They are, after all, commentators and not reporters.
 
2014-01-08 04:33:33 PM

Tr0mBoNe: http://olympics.cbc.ca/

I'm cool with the old people who watch TV getting spoon fed their pablum. I'll stick to the raw streams from the web.


We're talking about the Olympics, dude.  Not civil war in the Congo.  But congratulations on your resolution to stare down unfiltered reality until it blinks.
 
2014-01-08 04:33:43 PM

Cataholic: Sadly, the olympics used to be about athletes coming together and ignoring political differences for the purpose of competition


No it didn't. When was this mythical time when the Olympics weren't political? When the NAZIs hosted the 36 games? When Smith and Carlos opposed apartheid on the podium in 68? When the Israeli wrestling team was murdered in 72? Or when the US basketball team was literally jobbed that same year? When western democracies boycotted 80 because of the invasion of Afghanistan, and then the commies boycotted 84 out of spite/revenge? When the korean boxing fix scandal broke in 88? Or the figure skating scandal in 02 (which they haven't cleaned up... they changed the rules but they didn't change the judges)?

There's actually been LESS politics in recent games than before. The Cold War era had some seriously disgusting jingoistic bravado going on, and its part of the reason why American interest has fallen by the wayside: No superpower enemies to fight.

But the Olympics has always been marred by corruption, bribery, underhanded dealings, crooked rulings and nationalistic pride. That will never change.
 
2014-01-08 04:35:09 PM

IAmRight: mr0x: They had done zero homework, didn't know a single athlete from any of the countries and what sports different countries were expect to medal in

Let's all remember that you're asking them to basically have a job where they know a few sports most of the year, then every four years they have to pretend they know about tens of thousands of athletes from all over the world, most of which aren't going to win anything and will never be remembered by anyone but their families...and that information is useful for all of a span of one day to two weeks. Because after the Olympics, everyone goes back to not giving a flying f*ck about any of the sports that were just so "important" to them.


Compare that to the British commentators who had done their homework and had notes for each country. They identified the top ranked players in different sports. They didn't spend a single second on politics. They talked about the legacy of different sports for different countries. It doesn't have to be expert commentary but just reading some well researched notes is fine.

There are people who follow specific sports like track, judo or badminton or something like that and if the commentators just talk about terrorists and war, then it's farking stupid.

Although the British commentary on the marathon was terrible. The commentators didn't recognize any of the top athletes and when significant things happened (like when Andrew Hall dropped out), they couldn't grasp the significance of the event. Though its probably because I'm spoiled from the great commentary you get in the city marathons.
 
2014-01-08 04:35:59 PM

IAmRight: Let's all remember that you're asking them to basically have a job where they know a few sports most of the year, then every four years they have to pretend they know about tens of thousands of athletes from all over the world, most of which aren't going to win anything and will never be remembered by anyone but their families...and that information is useful for all of a span of one day to two weeks. Because after the Olympics, everyone goes back to not giving a flying f*ck about any of the sports that were just so "important" to them.


I'm just amused that people actually sit there watching the opening ceremonies who expect it to be covered as a major event instead of the fluff it is.

Honestly, it's a parade of athletes carrying flags and marching into a stadium, then some choreographed bit of nonsense to promote whatever the host country wishes to promote, then we all go home.  The only practical purpose it serves is to allow the athletes to start scoping out who they want to fark in the Olympic Village.
 
2014-01-08 04:36:07 PM
I was watching some show yesterday (or Monday, I don't remember) and they were complaining that with Vonn pulling out of the Olympics, it'll be hard for NBC because she was the big star and no one wants to watch anyone else and blah blah blah. Other countries have proven this is false. The Olympics MAKE the stars, the reason people only watch the big stars in the US is because that's the only option they're given. Its hard to get "into" an event when all you see is the 60 second run down the luge track (for example). Show the whole event. Of course, focus on the Americans, but if you show the whole thing, with people pointing out all the little things the athletes are doing right and wrong, people understand why these guys are phenomenal athletes and that creates stars that people want to watch. We all you see if one run, you think "this guy gets a gold medal for riding a toboggan? who cares"

American coverage of the Olympics is, to me, almost unwatchable. For all NBC does with it, they might as well pull out of the Olympics and create their own American-only championships. They wouldn't have to whine about timezones, and timeshift things for prime time (which doesn't work for sporting events) and they wouldn't have to edit the rest of the world out of it.
 
2014-01-08 04:42:46 PM
Wasn't the 2012 NBC Olympics filled with ads to Animal Hospital? Even cutting the London Bombing Victims tribute to show a sneak peek of the show which got canned 2-3 weeks later?
 
2014-01-08 04:43:52 PM

Electromax: It would be fitting for a major terrorist attack to hit the Olympics and NBC cuts to Coke commercial instead, like putting blinders on a horse while the BBC et al show it all and confront the reality of it. Out of sight, out of mind, right? And hopefully none of our viewers check any other news or internet news resources to find out what they missed!


Oh they would show it (well most of it, think jumpers on 9/11) because they would pretty much have to. But then it would be run by the news desk and not the sports desk. Also at that point it no longer becomes "Olympic" coverageTM which is the property of the IOC and its subsidiaries but "News" coverage which would be carried by every broadcaster with a news desk. NBC also might have some clause in their contract that keeps them from showing the Olympics in general in a negative light, something that the other news types wouldn't have to deal with, that's just an assumption on my part though but it wouldn't surprise me if it were true.

All of that aside there is a 12 hour time difference between Sochi and the US west coast which means that not everyone will be able to see the ceremonies live anyway (most people in the US will be at work, getting to work or getting ready for work while it is going on). The Europeans at worst have a 4 hour difference so just as they are getting off of work is when the ceremonies will be starting for them which in turn makes much more sense for them to have live coverage.
 
2014-01-08 04:45:25 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Honestly, it's a parade of athletes carrying flags and marching into a stadium


Exactly why I initially pointed out how pathetic it was that grown-ass men were out here whining about not being able to see a parade.
 
2014-01-08 04:51:03 PM

DamnYankees: I'm not sure why they can't do this and also provide a livestream online.


A live stream wouldn't have commercial breaks were sponsors tell you to prove you love America by buying overpriced crap that was made in China that you neither need nor want, nor would it focus exclusively on American athletes and their back-stories on how they rose up from nothing to be the best Curler or Figure Skater in the world.
 
2014-01-08 04:52:15 PM

cirby: Nabb1:
It's not the Duck Dynasty nimrods. Dick Ebersol is solely responsible for the way the Olympics are packaged and brought to you. Because he figured out decades ago, that selling and airing the Olympics as a sporting event wasn't working. The vast majority of events are not sports people follow year round. He changed it to a package of human interest stories.

The problem with a lot of Olympic events - the way they run the schedule, anyway - is that you get a really neat shot of some people doing something amazingly athletic for 30 seconds, then ten minutes of getting set up for the next event.

The other problem is that most people - yes, even the ones who supposedly love particular events aren't that interested in the events where the two lowest-ranked skiers face off for who comes in last. Unless one of them is really interesting in some other way. Face it: to most people (yes, even the most rabid sports fans, and even the fans of those particular sports), most unedited sporting events are dead-flat boring to watch.


Eddie the Eagle ftw.
 
2014-01-08 04:53:52 PM

Trocadero: Tax Boy: Rwa2play: Yanks_RSJ: Five Tails of Fury: Yanks_RSJ: As long as they dedicate one of their channels to showing curling 18 hours per day and another to hockey, I'm all set.

So you want the CBC, then.

That would be fine, but I'm not one of those people who claim to like sports but won't pay for cable, so I'll be fine with NBCSN, USA, MSNBC, CNBC or any of the other channels available to me.

Yeah I'll happily watch the CBC's coverage instead, specifically for hockey.

NBC's network prime time coverage is terrible and practically unwatchable.

NBC's "subnetwork" coverage (CNBC, MSNBC, NBCSN, etc.) actually isn't bad at all. Mostly actual sports coverage with very little BS.

NBCSN is a diamond in the rough. If only they'd get some NBA rights, we could have the greatest sports theme song OF ALL TIME back.
http://youtu.be/V_h7Lm7C9Nk


Hey, NBCSN giving you access to every Premier League game when it's on is an automatic winner for me.  Also: one can never go wrong listening to Doc for a hockey game.
 
2014-01-08 05:01:44 PM

Trocadero: 12349876: SomeoneDumb: Oh, goody! I hope they again edit out all the nations nobody cares about during the march of nations. It not only speeds things up, it gives more time for advertisers!

This is the Winter Olympics.  Already been done.

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Hold on a sec. Libya has a Winter Olympic team???


The big north African country is Algeria, not Libya, and they one athlete.  A cross country skier who finished 84th in 2010.
 
2014-01-08 05:05:09 PM

12349876: The big north African country is Algeria, not Libya, and they one athlete.  A cross country skier who finished 84th in 2010.


This. About half that map is "well, one person who has no chance of doing anything will be there! Color it in!"
 
2014-01-08 05:13:39 PM

IAmRight: 12349876: The big north African country is Algeria, not Libya, and they one athlete.  A cross country skier who finished 84th in 2010.

This. About half that map is "well, one person who has no chance of doing anything will be there! Color it in!"


A lot of countries don't have the climate and geography much less the money for the winter sports that all have a high monetary barrier to entry, especially the ones not on an indoor ice rink.

The summer games at least have some low barrier of entry sports.
 
2014-01-08 05:15:06 PM

IAmRight: Felgraf: Fencing's a summer sport though, right?

If they combined fencing and skiing, THAT would be worth watching.


Well, they already do combine skiing and shooting in the biathalon, so it's not too far off.

They even ran full contact biathalon in the early 1940s.  This guy was the all time gold medalist

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-01-08 05:28:21 PM

Glockenspiel Hero: Well, they already do combine skiing and shooting in the biathalon, so it's not too far off.


Yeah, but swordfights with lots of speed would be WAY more interesting. As would biathlon with paintballs or something.

Also, skeleton bowling (ripped off from those old ads with luge bowling).
 
2014-01-08 05:31:53 PM
I've got to back up NBC here. As I said during the summer games a year and a half ago... :

People say they want the events live, in real time. They don't know what they're talking about. The NBC team takes out  A METRIC shiat TON of down-time between competitors, and competitors from countries no one cares about giving performances that ultimately mean nothing to the overall competition. I've watched these things live and unedited. It's not like watching other sports.. It's maddeningly dull
 
2014-01-08 05:34:32 PM
Do they have decent qualified announcers, as opposed to the opening of the London olympics? That was incredibly horrible. Talking over everything, not letting us listen to the real event, etc. I had to get a stream of the non-NBC local version to really enjoy it without throwing things at the TV.
 
2014-01-08 05:49:05 PM

havocmike: People say they want the events live, in real time. They don't know what they're talking about. The NBC team takes out A METRIC shiat TON of down-time between competitors, and competitors from countries no one cares about giving performances that ultimately mean nothing to the overall competition. I've watched these things live and unedited. It's not like watching other sports.. It's maddeningly dull


CBC doesn't have this problem and it shows everything live. What is this mythical downtime you keep complaining about?
 
2014-01-08 06:06:34 PM

nyihockey: I was watching some show yesterday (or Monday, I don't remember) and they were complaining that with Vonn pulling out of the Olympics, it'll be hard for NBC because she was the big star and no one wants to watch anyone else and blah blah blah. Other countries have proven this is false. The Olympics MAKE the stars, the reason people only watch the big stars in the US is because that's the only option they're given. Its hard to get "into" an event when all you see is the 60 second run down the luge track (for example). Show the whole event. Of course, focus on the Americans, but if you show the whole thing, with people pointing out all the little things the athletes are doing right and wrong, people understand why these guys are phenomenal athletes and that creates stars that people want to watch. We all you see if one run, you think "this guy gets a gold medal for riding a toboggan? who cares"

American coverage of the Olympics is, to me, almost unwatchable. For all NBC does with it, they might as well pull out of the Olympics and create their own American-only championships. They wouldn't have to whine about timezones, and timeshift things for prime time (which doesn't work for sporting events) and they wouldn't have to edit the rest of the world out of it.


That's exactly right. On the first Saturday of the athletics in London people were expecting Jess Ennis and Mo Farrah to do well but Greg Rutherford popped up with a long jump gold from no where and became an instant star. It was even more so in the paralympics. Before the paralympics no one in Britain knew who David Weir or Jonnie Peacock were but afterwords they damn well knew.
 
2014-01-08 06:12:46 PM

exvaxman: Do they have decent qualified announcers, as opposed to the opening of the London olympics? That was incredibly horrible. Talking over everything, not letting us listen to the real event, etc. I had to get a stream of the non-NBC local version to really enjoy it without throwing things at the TV.


No, they confirmed yesterday that it will be the same people doing the opening ceremonies next month. In other words, get ready for more ignorant BS.
 
2014-01-08 06:14:13 PM

Norfolking Chance: That's exactly right. On the first Saturday of the athletics in London people were expecting Jess Ennis and Mo Farrah to do well but Greg Rutherford popped up with a long jump gold from no where and became an instant star


And now he's a trivia question that you're the only person who knows the answer to.

The Olympics are great in the consume-and-forget world we live in, because they're totally irrelevant and worthless but hey, it's something that's a big deal to some people, so hey, let's pretend it's really important, then immediately stop caring as soon as it's over.
 
2014-01-08 06:15:56 PM

Glockenspiel Hero: IAmRight: Felgraf: Fencing's a summer sport though, right?

If they combined fencing and skiing, THAT would be worth watching.

Well, they already do combine skiing and shooting in the biathalon, so it's not too far off.

They even ran full contact biathalon in the early 1940s.  This guy was the all time gold medalist

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Well Played.
 
2014-01-08 06:16:58 PM

Ishkur: havocmike: People say they want the events live, in real time. They don't know what they're talking about. The NBC team takes out A METRIC shiat TON of down-time between competitors, and competitors from countries no one cares about giving performances that ultimately mean nothing to the overall competition. I've watched these things live and unedited. It's not like watching other sports.. It's maddeningly dull

CBC doesn't have this problem and it shows everything live. What is this mythical downtime you keep complaining about?


For most people, seeing 80 people go down the exact same mountain course over a couple hours is quite boring.

/you're probably not one of the most, and neither are people who hang out on the fark sports tab
 
2014-01-08 06:18:13 PM

12349876: For most people, seeing 80 people go down the exact same mountain course over a couple hours is quite boring.


But one did it .013 seconds faster than the next! AWESOME
 
2014-01-08 06:19:53 PM

uncleacid: Will Putin be parachuting in like the Queen.


No, but he will be driving a dogsled in to the stadium.....naked. But instead of dogs it will be lead by grizzly bears. He will then wrestle the biggest bear and skin it alive. He will then wear the bloody pelt like a toga for the remainder of the ceremony.
 
2014-01-08 06:23:18 PM

Fisty Bum: I think I'm in vast minority of people, but I greatly prefer the Winter Olympics to the Summer.  I am actually interested in the majority of the sports and love watching them.  I'd rather watch short track speed skating than some random swimming event or ski jump over the long jump.

/YMMV


I prefer the Winter Olympics as well, probably because more of the competitions are individual rather than team oriented. I like seeing that one athlete come from nowhere and win a medal, rather than a team do it. Things like luge, bobsledding, downhill and the other skiing competitions are fun to watch as well.

/too bad NBC barely covers them when US competitors don't have a chance at winning
 
2014-01-08 06:24:54 PM

Anderson's Pooper: especially using expatshield


Can't be stressed enough. You can even watch an entire hockey game without a human interest story about a figure skater's disabled sibling.
 
2014-01-08 06:34:20 PM
IAmRight:
Yeah, but swordfights with lots of speed would be WAY more interesting. As would biathlon with paintballs or something.

Naah, they can use their regular equipment. They just need more rounds and a much looser set of rules of engagement.
 
2014-01-08 06:39:46 PM

12349876: For most people, seeing 80 people go down the exact same mountain course over a couple hours is quite boring.


Yes, but he's talking about the downtime BETWEEN competitors. I've never seen any downtime. It's one guy after the other.
 
2014-01-08 06:54:46 PM

Ishkur: 12349876: For most people, seeing 80 people go down the exact same mountain course over a couple hours is quite boring.

Yes, but he's talking about the downtime BETWEEN competitors. I've never seen any downtime. It's one guy after the other.


They usually show the top 5 runs, runs by Americans and runs that end up in a crash or otherwise were unusual when they compress it for the 3-4 hours of highlights for prime time airing. If you're trying to cover 10 events in a day you simply can't show them as they played out in full. It can be interesting when you're there in person but even then you only get to see a small part of the run with a few minutes between the parts that you actually can see.

There's actually a lot of downtime between runs in some events. Speed skating for example, where they get a few warm up laps in before each race. It can be up to 20-30 minutes between heats.
 
2014-01-08 07:08:16 PM
This is where a good Tunnelbear so I can watch the Euro version comes in handy.

fark NBC
 
2014-01-08 07:13:35 PM

Radioactive Ass: Speed skating for example, where they get a few warm up laps in before each race. It can be up to 20-30 minutes between heats.


This isn't true either.

I'm getting the feeling that none of you have actually watched the Olympics live before, and you have this misguided notion of what actually goes on fed to you by bullshiat American media.
 
2014-01-08 07:15:06 PM

IAmRight: Felgraf: Fencing's a summer sport though, right?

If they combined fencing and skiing, THAT would be worth watching.


I would posit that many indoor sports held in the summer games should be moved to the winter games.

A) there's lots of sports that should be in the summer games that get left out unnecessarily ( baseball, golf, etc)

B) the Winter Olympics suck balls

C) wrestling and fencing are usually done in the winter anyway, so it makes sense
 
2014-01-08 07:21:31 PM

havocmike: I've got to back up NBC here. As I said during the summer games a year and a half ago... :

People say they want the events live, in real time. They don't know what they're talking about. The NBC team takes out  A METRIC shiat TON of down-time between competitors, and competitors from countries no one cares about giving performances that ultimately mean nothing to the overall competition. I've watched these things live and unedited. It's not like watching other sports.. It's maddeningly dull


Many people in this thread have done the same and disagree completely. BBC's coverage in 2012 was phenomenal
 
2014-01-08 07:22:38 PM

llortcM_yllort: this happens because the public would rather watch the Olympics as a reality show than as a sporting event.


If that's the case why is it the public is overwhelmingly appalled by how NBC handles things?
 
2014-01-08 07:25:19 PM

WhyteRaven74: llortcM_yllort: this happens because the public would rather watch the Olympics as a reality show than as a sporting event.

If that's the case why is it the public is overwhelmingly appalled by how NBC handles things?


Define "public."  "Public" as in internet commentators like us, or "public" as in TV viewers and advertisers?
 
2014-01-08 07:26:39 PM
I'm going to throw out a whole rant I was preparing to just say:

I miss "Wide World of Sports"

I miss not caring where an athlete came from, because what I was watching them do on the screen was so farking cool (or such amazing fail) that I could appreciate it in the moment.

And I'll be missing NBC's coverage this time because I felt so pandered from London's coverage that I couldn't even appreciate when obviously cool events were properly shown.
 
2014-01-08 07:30:45 PM

Radioactive Ass: And what with this being in Russia and the very real threats of terrorism being made by various groups against them (and they have already started) it makes some sense to hold off on the live broadcast for the opening and closing ceremonies anyway.


Terrorism is great for ratings.

That is a bigger reason for them to show it live.
 
2014-01-08 07:50:17 PM

HaywoodJablonski: I would posit that many indoor sports held in the summer games should be moved to the winter games.


Maybe we could get more Team Handball.

/we would dominate the f*ck out of that sport if it caught on here. Think of all the mobile QBs that don't quite make the NFL.
 
2014-01-08 07:53:14 PM

Ishkur: This isn't true either.

I'm getting the feeling that none of you have actually watched the Olympics live before, and you have this misguided notion of what actually goes on fed to you by bullshiat American media.


Not between races, between heats (you know, sets of races). I have watched them live and in person and there were times where you just had to sit and wait for the next heat to start. They smooth up the track and so on then the next set of racers have to get in a few laps to see how the resurfaced ice is. That takes time. The BS from the media is when they cut out the gap that is there. If you see the Olympics live you can watch it for yourself. That's not to say that all sports are like that, a lot of the skiing, sledding and such are done back to back with little gaps between runs but again, if you are there in person you can usually only see a very small part of each run and have to wait to see the very small part of the next run. There aren't a whole lot of events where you can see the entire thing from start to finish. Mountains are big and have these big green things blocking your view and sled tracks tend to have these high banks that also block your view. If you want to see the whole thing you have to get into one of the indoor events.

I had the chance to get to Park City for a couple of days and I saw it for myself.
 
2014-01-08 07:54:47 PM

liam76: Terrorism is great for ratings.

That is a bigger reason for them to show it live.


The IOC would probably disagree...
 
2014-01-08 08:09:59 PM

Radioactive Ass: If you see the Olympics live you can watch it for yourself.


Go on, tell me more about how you have seen them live and I have not.
 
2014-01-08 08:27:08 PM

IAmRight: And now he's a trivia question that you're the only person who knows the answer to.

The Olympics are great in the consume-and-forget world we live in, because they're totally irrelevant and worthless but hey, it's something that's a big deal to some people, so hey, let's pretend it's really important, then immediately stop caring as soon as it's over.


I honestly have no idea why anyone bids big money for the Olympics any longer. People can keep repeating ad nauseum that it's the greatest show on earth, but it's really a tired out, expensive event that wastes money showing sports that very few people care about any longer.

The problem is that everything interesting about athletics has gone. No-one sets world records any longer. No surprise athletes appear and win medals. There's no cold war battle over the medals table.  And without any of that, it's 8 machines running against each other for 10 seconds, which really isn't very interesting.

Greg Rutherford won the long jump with the shortest gold winning distance since the early 70s. That tells you just how dull that competition has got. Anyone fast enough to get close to Mike Powell's world record is doing something else that pays a lot more.
 
2014-01-08 08:42:56 PM

farkeruk: IAmRight: And now he's a trivia question that you're the only person who knows the answer to.

The Olympics are great in the consume-and-forget world we live in, because they're totally irrelevant and worthless but hey, it's something that's a big deal to some people, so hey, let's pretend it's really important, then immediately stop caring as soon as it's over.

I honestly have no idea why anyone bids big money for the Olympics any longer. People can keep repeating ad nauseum that it's the greatest show on earth, but it's really a tired out, expensive event that wastes money showing sports that very few people care about any longer.

The problem is that everything interesting about athletics has gone. No-one sets world records any longer. No surprise athletes appear and win medals. There's no cold war battle over the medals table.  And without any of that, it's 8 machines running against each other for 10 seconds, which really isn't very interesting.

Greg Rutherford won the long jump with the shortest gold winning distance since the early 70s. That tells you just how dull that competition has got. Anyone fast enough to get close to Mike Powell's world record is doing something else that pays a lot more.


You know the story about the three blind men and the elephant, right?

Seems like you ended on the wrong end and have concluded it smells like shiat.
 
2014-01-08 08:52:37 PM
I still remember the opening  ceremonies  of the winter games  a few years back, and Bob Farking Costas would not shut the fark up about explaining the dance of the "Child of Light".  All you had to do was sit and let us watch it, with the actual music and narration written for it. Costas acted like he was describing the event for blind people.  Hey, do the color commentary on the actual SPORTS, you FARK, and shut the far UP when it's the entertainment part.

They were just as bad in London.  I pray for an easy way to watch a BBC feed this time instead.

CSB from 15-20-odd years ago:  Dick Button and some worn-out  former ice dancing competitor/coach lady were doing the play-by-play on the Ice Dancing competition.  Every act was the same shtick, from a different country: really corny costumes and stilted "dance" moves, to a montage of music that had no rhyme or reason to it. "First do ten seconds of ice-waltz, then ten seconds of ice-rhumba, oh, LOOK how OUTRAGEOUS that team was, to do the ice-cha-cha BEFORE the Ice-Hustle.!"

The the Russian couple took the ice.

And blew everyone's minds.

Wearing very modern, stylized outfits, more like ballet dancers, their routine was done to some very avant-garde music, full of dissonance and cacophony of broken-sounding cuckoo clocks and collapsing machinery, as their interpretational moves played out a ballet depicting the strains of living thru the Perestroika period and changing your entire political world, ...using only movement. It was fascinating, and very emotive and evocative.... clearly levels ahead of anything anybody else was doing.

And the biotch commentator lost her shiat completely, from the very start.

 "This is ALL WRONG!

"I'm not seeing any traditional steps here!"


"I don't know what that WAS, but it was DEFinitely NOT Ice-DAN-cing!!!! 11111!!!"

"The judges should fail that team with a zero score, it was NOTHING like what we usually do!"


Dick Button was more diplomatic, allowing that it was certainly "avant-garde" and "experimentalist" in approach, but certainly showed great precision and athleticism, with creativity. The Ice biotch just never got over it. I swear she was going to have a stroke right there; had the cameas not been watching, I feel sure she's have throw a chair on the ice, and run over to claw out the eyes of the team. I forget now what level the Russians placed in that scene, but it wasn't important - they had OWNED that ice and changed the face of the sport in just a few minutes. The crowd knew it, and approved, even though miss icedancing queen disapproved.
 
2014-01-08 09:02:40 PM
entire olympics should be boycotted, but nobody seems to have the balls
 
2014-01-08 09:06:51 PM
The judges should fail that team

No athletic competition should ever be decided by voting. Boxing, this goes for you as well. Scoreboard or finish line or GTFO.
 
2014-01-08 09:13:44 PM

Radioactive Ass: liam76: Terrorism is great for ratings.

That is a bigger reason for them to show it live.

The IOC would probably disagree...


I amnto saying it is good for the IOC, just ratings for olympic coverage.
 
2014-01-08 09:38:34 PM
just tell me when the mens & womens ice hockey is on, and fark the rest.
 
2014-01-08 09:58:28 PM

Radioactive Ass: Not between races, between heats (you know, sets of races). I have watched them live and in person and there were times where you just had to sit and wait for the next heat to start. They smooth up the track and so on then the next set of racers have to get in a few laps to see how the resurfaced ice is. That takes time. The BS from the media is when they cut out the gap that is there. If you see the Olympics live you can watch it for yourself. That's not to say that all sports are like that, a lot of the skiing, sledding and such are done back to back with little gaps between runs but again, if you are there in person you can usually only see a very small part of each run and have to wait to see the very small part of the next run. There aren't a whole lot of events where you can see the entire thing from start to finish. Mountains are big and have these big green things blocking your view and sled tracks tend to have these high banks that also block your view. If you want to see the whole thing you have to get into one of the indoor events


Do you think there is more downtime in these events than a typical pro sports game? Football has all kinds of dead time and half time. Hockey has two 20 minute breaks. The only difference is broadcasters have mastered how to fill that time. There's no reason why they can't do the same for the Olympics. BBC does it. CBC/CTV does it in Canada. They get former Olympians that know how to point out the little things and plenty of experienced play-by-play guys and broadcasters. to fill that down time with interviews, replays, analysis. When there are longer stretches of downtime that's when you do your highlights from other events that are going on. If they can fill an entire day with football games that have a grand total of 3 hours of action, why can't they fill 3 hours with 2 hours of action in speed skating?
 
2014-01-08 10:16:40 PM

IAmRight: Maybe we could get more Team Handball.


I must have watched 10 hours of that via streaming, and was completely fascinated the whole time. Why the heck don't we have that here on a bigger stage? It's got everything that TV might want - lots of action and scoring, easy to follow the ball, physical contact, and (as you implied) some of the hardest and most awesome passing outside of the NFL. And, unlike soccer or lacrosse or whatever, is about as easy as basketball to do quick pick-up games no matter where you are, and therefore more likely that kids will start playing it.
 
2014-01-08 10:24:01 PM
fark NBC

fark Costas for enabling this shiat
 
2014-01-08 11:23:49 PM

havocmike: I've got to back up NBC here. As I said during the summer games a year and a half ago... :

People say they want the events live, in real time. They don't know what they're talking about. The NBC team takes out  A METRIC shiat TON of down-time between competitors, and competitors from countries no one cares about giving performances that ultimately mean nothing to the overall competition. I've watched these things live and unedited. It's not like watching other sports.. It's maddeningly dull


I don't know. Id rather watch the finals of some event between two countries (say, team handball) I dont care about than ANOTHER pre-pre-pre-qualifier swim event that you know the American is going to win because hes such the odds-on favorite and the annointed American star of the games.
 
2014-01-08 11:24:33 PM
NBC screwing up an Olympic broadcast?... shocking.

/actually a bookmark so I can find a streaming source for the opening ceremonies
 
2014-01-08 11:39:08 PM

drewogatory: No athletic competition should ever be decided by voting. Boxing, this goes for you as well. Scoreboard or finish line or GTFO.


I've said for a while now that competition can be split into 3 categories: games, athletic competitions and sports.

Games: non-athletic competition with a clearly defined scoring system and format for determining a winner. Chess and poker would fall into here.

Athletic competition: event with an arbitrary system for determining a winner. Figure skating, gymnastics, any sport where judges determine the winner go here.

Sports: Athletic competitions with a clearly defined scoring system and format for determining the winner.

/Of course, boxing and MMA end up being a hybrid of the last two
 
2014-01-09 12:48:44 AM

BizarreMan: DamnYankees: BizarreMan: Stream or not, live or not.  Can somebody just kill the microphones to the color commentators during the opening ceremonies?  I'd like to actually be able to listen to the event while watching it.

Oh come on! The London commentary was so insightful!

Speaking of London, if you're going to tease a particular performer, don't tease it for hours during one block of coverage, break away for some show about a chimp who is a doctor? followed by the local news and and then come back in the late night coverage and show the performance.


That chimp doctor gave so many patients herpes.. They had to put him down.
 
2014-01-09 12:50:30 AM

Obscure Login: BizarreMan: Stream or not, live or not.  Can somebody just kill the microphones to the color commentators during the opening ceremonies?  I'd like to actually be able to listen to the event while watching it.

But, but, how will I know what I'm looking at?!?

I need a peppy talking head to let me know that the people wearing athletic clothing and holding the Canadian flags are the athletes from Canada.


It's important.
 
2014-01-09 05:36:22 AM

BunkoSquad: I assume NBC will be ready to fill in if those forgetful Russians forget to have a segment in the ceremony explaining how Ronald Reagan saved the Russian people from Communists


In with 3. Liberals injecting politics. Wow so surprised.
 
2014-01-09 07:12:13 AM

under a mountain: BizarreMan: DamnYankees: BizarreMan: Stream or not, live or not.  Can somebody just kill the microphones to the color commentators during the opening ceremonies?  I'd like to actually be able to listen to the event while watching it.

Oh come on! The London commentary was so insightful!

Speaking of London, if you're going to tease a particular performer, don't tease it for hours during one block of coverage, break away for some show about a chimp who is a doctor? followed by the local news and and then come back in the late night coverage and show the performance.


Thnak you, I couldn't remember the premise for that horrible farking show the hyped for two weeks that barely lasted two episodes.

I wonder what awful steaming shiat pile will be hyped to death this time?


Fallon. He starts the Tonight Show immediately following the Olympics.
 
2014-01-09 09:42:16 AM

desertgeek: Athletic competition: event with an arbitrary system for determining a winner. Figure skating, gymnastics, any sport where judges determine the winner go here.

Sports: Athletic competitions with a clearly defined scoring system and format for determining the winner.


Except lots of sports have arbitrary stuff built into them sure some have more than others. I mean in sports like Basketball and Hockey fouls and penalties a lot of the time come down to how the referee interprets what happened using his own arbitrary judgement.
 
2014-01-09 10:51:27 AM

mechgreg: desertgeek: Athletic competition: event with an arbitrary system for determining a winner. Figure skating, gymnastics, any sport where judges determine the winner go here.

Sports: Athletic competitions with a clearly defined scoring system and format for determining the winner.

Except lots of sports have arbitrary stuff built into them sure some have more than others. I mean in sports like Basketball and Hockey fouls and penalties a lot of the time come down to how the referee interprets what happened using his own arbitrary judgement.


Most of the Olympic sports are not like that.  Swimming, ski jumping, ski races, speed skating, pretty much all the track and field events, equestrian, bobsled, luge, cycling, biathlon - most of these are decided by a single measurement.  The judges in those events rarely have any impact on who wins or loses.  They are mostly just there to insure everyone followed the course correctly.
 
2014-01-09 10:53:57 AM

Wettner: I wonder what awful steaming shiat pile will be hyped to death this time?

Fallon. He starts the Tonight Show immediately following the Olympics.


Supposedly, he's actually starts DURING the Games.
 
2014-01-09 02:06:49 PM

Persnickety: mechgreg: desertgeek: Athletic competition: event with an arbitrary system for determining a winner. Figure skating, gymnastics, any sport where judges determine the winner go here.

Sports: Athletic competitions with a clearly defined scoring system and format for determining the winner.

Except lots of sports have arbitrary stuff built into them sure some have more than others. I mean in sports like Basketball and Hockey fouls and penalties a lot of the time come down to how the referee interprets what happened using his own arbitrary judgement.

Most of the Olympic sports are not like that.  Swimming, ski jumping, ski races, speed skating, pretty much all the track and field events, equestrian, bobsled, luge, cycling, biathlon - most of these are decided by a single measurement.  The judges in those events rarely have any impact on who wins or loses.  They are mostly just there to insure everyone followed the course correctly.


But for the team events there is judging like if a check is legal in hockey or is a basketball player travels. And for the events you mentioned most of the human judging has been eliminated thanks to technology. I mean back in the day it used to be up to a person to decided if a swimmer or a runner false started or who crossed the finish line first.
 
2014-01-09 06:05:45 PM

Cataholic: star_topology: I'm still pissed that NBC cut out the segment remembering the victims of London's 2012 terrorist attacks.

That's what will happen here.  NBC won't allow anything to be shown that doesn't portray Russia as a bunch of raving homophobes.

Sadly, the olympics used to be about athletes coming together and ignoring political differences for the purpose of competition.  It was a time to put all that BS aside and celebrate what we had in common with the hope that looking at ourselves in that manner would be a building block toward change for the betterment of humanity.


Oh, hell, when the US boycotted in 1980, NBC reduced the entire Olympics to a tiny little clip show because they didn't have any Americans to glorify.
 
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