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(Politico)   "There's hope that someday you can have a real conservative newspaper, but you can't do it until you have a critical mass of conservative reporters and editors." Until that day comes, boobies on the sidebar   ( politico.com) divider line
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2014-01-08 09:21:11 AM  
Your bowtie's crooked, Tucker. Might wanna fix that.
 
2014-01-08 09:25:25 AM  
I'm trying to parse the headline in a way that relates to the world we live in, and I'm failing.
 
2014-01-08 09:25:27 AM  
cdn.theatlantic.com
Did somebody ask for a copy of the True Scotsman?
 
2014-01-08 09:25:52 AM  
Pretty sure conservatives would need to learn how to read before anyone comes up with a "conservative paper."
 
2014-01-08 09:28:32 AM  
This is coming just as sure as the "conservative version of Jon Stewart" that won't get cancelled and pulled off the air mid-skit
 
2014-01-08 09:28:46 AM  
A conservative newspaper like Politico?
 
2014-01-08 09:30:48 AM  

Alphax: A conservative newspaper like Politico?


A conservative newspaper like the Washington Times?
 
2014-01-08 09:31:02 AM  
Conservatives don't understand yet that news should not be conservative or liberal, they should be factual.

The fact that their modus operandi is so reliant on dissembling that they view factual as the opposite of conservative is something they should be ashamed of.

/if they were capable of feeling shame, that is.
 
2014-01-08 09:32:00 AM  
The problem with the conservative 'message' is that it's so riddled with hypocrisy and contradictions that the only way they can sell it is to court the profoundly stupid portion of the American electorate, get them all riled up and angry about something...and just keep the real facts away from them.  It's worked great, up until the tea party.  The tea party has become the GOP's "Frankenstein monster".  They created it (no matter their claims of 'cross-partisan') and now they can't control it.

But the core problem remains.  The problem of hypocrisy in the message itself of conservatism.  Until they fix that problem, educated, intelligent, and rational people will continue to flee the GOP, no matter the marketing.
 
2014-01-08 09:33:58 AM  
"Boobies on the sidebar"?

www.trendolizer.com
 
2014-01-08 09:34:31 AM  
The Wall Street Journal fills this role quite well.  Is Tucker butthurt that they laud Obama when he does something right (from a conservative viewpoint)?

rga184: Conservatives don't understand yet that news should not be conservative or liberal, they should be factual.

The fact that their modus operandi is so reliant on dissembling that they view factual as the opposite of conservative is something they should be ashamed of.

/if they were capable of feeling shame, that is.


How's life in the echo chamber?
 
2014-01-08 09:36:24 AM  

FLMountainMan: The Wall Street Journal fills this role quite well.  Is Tucker butthurt that they laud Obama when he does something right (from a conservative viewpoint)?

rga184: Conservatives don't understand yet that news should not be conservative or liberal, they should be factual.

The fact that their modus operandi is so reliant on dissembling that they view factual as the opposite of conservative is something they should be ashamed of.

/if they were capable of feeling shame, that is.

How's life in the echo chamber?


Remember when a conservative actually acknowledges the fact that FoxNews viewers are the least informed?  Yeah, me neither.
 
2014-01-08 09:37:39 AM  
"He's a big doodyhead" works pretty well on talk radio and even on FOX news but when it comes to print, they're just going to have to raise the bar. A LOT.
 
2014-01-08 09:38:25 AM  

rga184: Conservatives don't understand yet that news should not be conservative or liberal, they should be factual.

The fact that their modus operandi is so reliant on dissembling that they view factual as the opposite of conservative is something they should be ashamed of.

/if they were capable of feeling shame, that is.


Reality is well-known to have a liberal bias. The only way to present it conservatively is to take certain liberties with the facts.
 
2014-01-08 09:38:30 AM  

rga184: Conservatives don't understand yet that news should not be conservative or liberal, they should be factual.

The fact that their modus operandi is so reliant on dissembling that they view factual as the opposite of conservative is something they should be ashamed of.

/if they were capable of feeling shame, that is.


QTF

Force a few seconds of reflection about what he said on Tucker, and he should renounce all pretense of being a journalist.
 
2014-01-08 09:39:24 AM  
*
"conservative"
 
2014-01-08 09:40:59 AM  
No, the author is right and you guys are wrong.

There is actually no conservative newspapers. See, the ones that can be considered a newspaper are not conservative and those that can be considered conservative doesn't meet the standard to be called newspaper.

Of course there are millions of conservative craps that gets published (online and on print) everyday, but who would call them newspaper?
 
2014-01-08 09:46:26 AM  
The guy behind Daily Caller doesn't like the liberal media because they're unwilling to report unfashionable truths? That's a bit of full set of cast iron cookware calling the kettle black since his site, named for a moron with no life who dials up to speak to Rush every afternoon, doesn't care to report any truths regardless of how in style they are.
 
2014-01-08 09:46:33 AM  

coeyagi: FLMountainMan: The Wall Street Journal fills this role quite well.  Is Tucker butthurt that they laud Obama when he does something right (from a conservative viewpoint)?

rga184: Conservatives don't understand yet that news should not be conservative or liberal, they should be factual.

The fact that their modus operandi is so reliant on dissembling that they view factual as the opposite of conservative is something they should be ashamed of.

/if they were capable of feeling shame, that is.

How's life in the echo chamber?

Remember when a conservative actually acknowledges the fact that FoxNews viewers are the least informed?  Yeah, me neither.


Yes, that Farleigh-Dickinson study is unassailable.  However, studies that show teabaggers scoring the highest on science exams, conservatives giving far more to secular charities than liberals, and liberals being the most intolerant of others' views are complete bunk and worthless.  Science is fact, except when it doesn't exalt my ideology.
 
2014-01-08 09:48:49 AM  
Have you ever thought of keeping politics out of news?
 
2014-01-08 09:48:53 AM  
FTA:  The Caller is more than click-bait, though

Let's see what we have over at the Caller today:

'Statesman' Joe Biden gets everything wrong, says new tell-all book
First-grade teacher seizes Christian kid's candy canes, says 'Jesus is not allowed in school
The Daily Caller endorses Mark 'Coonrippy' Brown for Governor of Tennessee

Would love to see what the do consider click-bait.
 
2014-01-08 09:49:58 AM  

notto: FTA:  The Caller is more than click-bait, though

Let's see what we have over at the Caller today:

'Statesman' Joe Biden gets everything wrong, says new tell-all book
First-grade teacher seizes Christian kid's candy canes, says 'Jesus is not allowed in school
The Daily Caller endorses Mark 'Coonrippy' Brown for Governor of Tennessee

Would love to see what the do consider click-bait.


I think you're thinking of Mediaite, Dan Abrams's latest waste of his parents' money.
 
2014-01-08 09:55:49 AM  
EyeballKid:
I think you're thinking of Mediaite, Dan Abrams's latest waste of his parents' money.

Mediaite knows it is click-bait and openly admits their entire platform is based on that.

The Caller considers itself a legitimate source of original thought-provoking news.  Then they publish click bait trolling headlines that put most farkers to shame.

You are comparing apples to oranges.  What was your point?
 
2014-01-08 09:56:50 AM  

FLMountainMan: conservatives giving far more to secular charities than liberals


Would you have a citation for this? I've only seen studies assessing total contributions to charity by ideology.

Was this measured as a percentage of income or as a total dollar amount?
 
2014-01-08 10:02:34 AM  

FLMountainMan: coeyagi: FLMountainMan: The Wall Street Journal fills this role quite well.  Is Tucker butthurt that they laud Obama when he does something right (from a conservative viewpoint)?

rga184: Conservatives don't understand yet that news should not be conservative or liberal, they should be factual.

The fact that their modus operandi is so reliant on dissembling that they view factual as the opposite of conservative is something they should be ashamed of.

/if they were capable of feeling shame, that is.

How's life in the echo chamber?

Remember when a conservative actually acknowledges the fact that FoxNews viewers are the least informed?  Yeah, me neither.

Yes, that Farleigh-Dickinson study is unassailable.  However, studies that show teabaggers scoring the highest on science exams, conservatives giving far more to secular charities than liberals, and liberals being the most intolerant of others' views are complete bunk and worthless.  Science is fact, except when it doesn't exalt my ideology.


Ok, let the debunking begin.

Conservatives give more, but not as a percentage of their income. So no.

2008 National Education Rankings:

Blue States: 20.5 Average Rank
Red States: 32.4 Average Rank

So, I believe that over just looking at just Science exams. But again, we are talking about sources of information here: FoxNews is a piece of sh*t as proven in SEVEN studies (not just the FD one) so rather than admit that, you deflect to a bunch of irrelevant crap.

Kudos, Deflectus Emeritus!
 
2014-01-08 10:04:57 AM  

FLMountainMan: Yes, that Farleigh-Dickinson study is unassailable. However, studies that show teabaggers scoring the highest on science exams, conservatives giving far more to secular charities than liberals, and liberals being the most intolerant of others' views are complete bunk and worthless. Science is fact, except when it doesn't exalt my ideology.


Here are some excerpts from the study that was the basis for the "tea party scores higher on science exams" stories that were going around on the right wing blog circuit:

In this dataset, I found that there is a small correlation (r = -0.05, p = 0.03) between the science comprehension measure and a left-right political outlook measure, Conservrepub, which aggregates liberal-conservative ideology and party self-identification. The sign of the correlation indicates that science comprehension decreases as political outlooks move in the rightward direction--i.e., the more "liberal" and "Democrat," the more science comprehending.

...

But if you do, then maybe you'll find this interesting.  The dataset happened to have an item in it that asked respondents if they considered themselves "part of the Tea Party movement." Nineteen percent said yes.
It turns out that there is about as strong a correlation between scores on the science comprehension scale and identifying with the Tea Party as there is between scores on the science comprehension scale and Conservrepub.
Except that it has the opposite sign: that is, identifying with the Tea Party correlates positively (r = 0.05, p = 0.05) with scores on the science comprehension measure:

...

Again, the relationship is trivially small, and can't possibly be contributing in any way to the ferocious conflicts over decision-relevant science that we are experiencing.
I've got to confess, though, I found this result surprising. As I pushed the button to run the analysis on my computer, I fully expected I'd be shown a modest negative correlation between identifying with the Tea Party and science comprehension.


http://www.culturalcognition.net/blog/2013/10/15/some-data-on-educat io n-religiosity-ideology-and-science-comp.html

In essence:

The tea party = the smartest kids in the special ed class
 
2014-01-08 10:12:05 AM  

starsrift: Reality is well-known to have a liberal bias. The only way to present it conservatively is to take certain liberties with the facts.


No way man. The fact is, rape can't cause pregnancy, unfettered, unregulated markets always yield the best results for everyone, gay sex is bad (for reasons no one can actually articulate; it just is), the Civil War was fought because of high taxes on riverboats, and Christianity is the national official religion of the USA.
 
2014-01-08 10:32:18 AM  
Yup. No networks or papers or publications are used to spin events in such a way that tells a particular viewpoint, it's just an illusion. All those think tanks, all those publications, and websites designed to push a particular viewpoint and narrative are just smoke and mirrors, and all just liberal plants to disguise the fact that there will be pot smoking and gheys all up in your business and churches and turtle sexxin' all over the place when the Homo-Soshualist Overlords lock up the nation and take guns away from hard working lobbyists after they ship ALL the jobs overseas, and make autoworkers slaves to the Pagan Commie Goddess Hillary Clinton...

No. For reals. I think the WND just had an article about it. I mean, Farah just told us that there are no REAL Conservatives in Congress and no REAL Conservatives publishing anymore. It's just a wasteland of Liberalness and Socialisms out there. I mean, do you REALLY think that gas would cost so much after we liberated the Hells out of Iraq? That was supposed to pay for itself, but the Liberals just siphoned all that money into pot and hookers and sexting underage girls and boys. Swearsies.
 
2014-01-08 10:38:34 AM  

MurphyMurphy: *
"conservative"


Asshole conservative?
 
2014-01-08 10:49:23 AM  
TFA (quoting another article): For the GOP, the challenge is to move beyond the rhetoric of past campaigns and focus on specific policies showing the party would be effective on behalf of the poor.

A thousand times yes.  Considering that GOP rhetoric has been they will help poor and unemployed by creating jobs, it would be nice if they put forward an actual jobs bill, as opposed to merely framing every issue that Democrats are in favor of as "job-killing."
 
2014-01-08 10:54:40 AM  
The Daily Caller? You mean the "news" source that uses 24 year old college parody articles as breaking news? Meh fact checking is for those "liberal" publications.
 
2014-01-08 10:59:02 AM  
San Diego is doing this with the Union-Tribune and their readership has been sinking like a stone.
 
2014-01-08 11:07:07 AM  

coeyagi: Conservatives give more, but not as a percentage of their income. So no.


And does that include donations to religious groups?  Because giving money to the church so that Minster Bob can by a new Mclaren or private jet doesn't count in my book.
 
2014-01-08 11:11:40 AM  
I'm not sure who's dumber. The people who claim that we have anything even resembling a liberal media, or the folks who believe them.
 
2014-01-08 11:16:46 AM  
"Liberal media?"  Really?  Would that be the same liberal media who reported an easily disproven conspiracy theory about the president's birthplace as a legitimate controversy for 6 years?
 
2014-01-08 11:20:40 AM  
Our local paper is pretty conservative.

It's not lying to push the right wing propaganda though, so it's a dirty liberal rag not fit for bird cage liner according to some people.
 
2014-01-08 11:38:41 AM  

hubiestubert: Yup...
...Swearsies.


Okay, that's just chilling, coming from you. Knock it off. ;)
 
2014-01-08 11:42:52 AM  

quizzical: TFA (quoting another article): For the GOP, the challenge is to move beyond the rhetoric of past campaigns and focus on specific policies showing the party would be effective on behalf of the poor.

A thousand times yes.  Considering that GOP rhetoric has been they will help poor and unemployed by creating jobs, it would be nice if they put forward an actual jobs bill, as opposed to merely framing every issue that Democrats are in favor of as "job-killing."


Actually, the challenge isn't to come up with specific policies, because there are plenty of those. Unfortunately, most of them involve "job creation" as a sort of metaphorical experience that happens when capital is invested overseas or in speculation, but in theory, with money being made by someone, an odd percentage might actually go into infrastructure or new production, and tax savings from cuts could actually go into investment in new facilities and durable goods, but that's the theory, and not the actual result.

You want to see job creation? Then we need to extend those tax cuts to the lower rungs of the ladder, and not just to the largest of players--who are invested in shipping as many of their jobs overseas as possible, and as many of their production lines outside as well. Promote local economies, promote small businesses to be able to grow and expand, and actually compete, and maybe put in tax cuts for actual investment in facilities as opposed to just the cash that goes into speculation and microtrades. Not to mention you can give cuts to promote investment as opposed to simply stockpiling cash. Stockpiling cash reserves? No cookie. Speculating? No cookie. Investing and expanding, you get the cookie and a pat on the head. There has to be a carrot and stick aspect to tax cuts, and right now the drive to simply remove taxes from the equation without targeting behaviors or the sectors that need assistance isn't really doing much other than handing cash to buddies.
 
2014-01-08 12:00:56 PM  

coeyagi: Alphax: A conservative newspaper like Politico?

A conservative newspaper like the Washington Times?


A conservative newspaper like the Boston Herald?
 
2014-01-08 12:20:38 PM  
Newspapers are already basically dead, and conservatives are buying the ones that still show some life to turn them into conservative ad rags. This is not news to anyone who, well, reads the paper.
 
2014-01-08 12:51:22 PM  

FLMountainMan: The Wall Street Journal fills this role quite well.  Is Tucker butthurt that they laud Obama when he does something right (from a conservative viewpoint)?

rga184: Conservatives don't understand yet that news should not be conservative or liberal, they should be factual.

The fact that their modus operandi is so reliant on dissembling that they view factual as the opposite of conservative is something they should be ashamed of.

/if they were capable of feeling shame, that is.

How's life in the echo chamber?


The very fact that you write that proves my point. You are projecting. You think that I am happy to have my own opinions echoed back to me. I don't. That's why I dont watch Fox News OR msnbc. The thing is, people repeating verifyable facts doesn't constitute an echo chamber, it makes a newsroom. If you were more sophisticated you would know that.
 
2014-01-08 01:04:58 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: I'm not sure who's dumber. The people who claim that we have anything even resembling a liberal media, or the folks who believe them.


I'm not sure what's sadder:  The fact that newsbusters, qstarnews, Washingtontimes, wnd and others think that people will actually believe their BS....or the fact that they stay in business.
 
2014-01-08 01:10:29 PM  

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: Newspapers are already basically dead, and conservatives are buying the ones that still show some life to turn them into conservative ad rags. This is not news to anyone who, well, reads the paper.


Conservatives realize that once this Internet fad dies out, newspapers will be making a major comeback.
 
2014-01-08 01:20:09 PM  

lilbjorn: coeyagi: Alphax: A conservative newspaper like Politico?

A conservative newspaper like the Washington Times?

A conservative newspaper like the Boston Herald?


A conservative newspaper like the Wall Stree Journal?
 
2014-01-08 01:43:32 PM  
FTFA, "The  Beacon'seditor in chief, Matthew Continetti ... has reportedly used the term "weaponized journalism" to describe the  Beacon'sapproach."

So in other words, propaganda.
 
2014-01-08 01:58:18 PM  

threedingers: FTFA, "The  Beacon'seditor in chief, Matthew Continetti ... has reportedly used the term "weaponized journalism" to describe the  Beacon'sapproach."

So in other words, propaganda.


Ultimately, the crux of this article is: THEY KEEP HITTING ME BACK! THAT'S NOT FAIR!
 
2014-01-08 04:21:13 PM  
The problem with the analogy of "liberal" web news outlets in 2006 is in the fact that they were reporting underreported truths, while DC and the like seek out content and when they don't find it, they make it up.
 
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