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(Washington Post)   The GOP is at war with itself over what their "poverty agenda" should be. Should they continue to ignore poor people, expand upon calling them lazy, or initiate some sort of bootstrap distribution program (with a commensurate tax cut for the rich)   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 70
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2014-01-08 09:29:50 AM
It amazes me that Eugenics hasn't been brought up by them.

If you going to be evil, just go Full Evil and get it over with.
 
2014-01-08 09:30:34 AM
They haven't come up with a Final Solution for the poor yet?
 
2014-01-08 09:31:18 AM
LOL. When the poor get it, it's a handout. When the rich get it, it's a tax cut.
 
2014-01-08 09:31:51 AM
 'D'
all of the above
 
2014-01-08 09:31:54 AM
Doesn't matter what they come up with, it's gonna sound fake. Because in their heart, they are a party for the rich-white-straight-christian-males.
 
2014-01-08 09:35:51 AM
How does one pull one's self up by the bootstraps with an entire political party standing on one's boots?
 
2014-01-08 09:37:22 AM
 
2014-01-08 09:40:32 AM

coeyagi: It amazes me that Eugenics hasn't been brought up by them.

If you going to be evil, just go Full Evil and get it over with.


That's because eugenics is something Liberals do (see: abortion, Planned Parenthood, the Holocaust, etc. etc. etc.).

/TIWRAB
 
2014-01-08 09:40:49 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-01-08 09:43:18 AM
the GOP could not care less about the bottom 95%.  all they need from the bottom is their votes and the ability to manage the the public image of giving a rat's ass about the bottom 95%.


the GOP is the party of the wealthy and big business.  period.
 
2014-01-08 09:44:43 AM
FTFA: "Some Republicans are wary of doing so, seeing it as playing on Democrats' home turf, and think they are better off drawing voters' attention to the rocky rollout of the health-care law and other problems plaguing Obama."

Because they are the party of Principle and Conviction and Traditional Family Values.
 
2014-01-08 09:45:08 AM
Instead of making decisions based on  ideology, perhaps the Republicans should look towards other nations and see what they do, and based on what  works and what  doesn't, adopt and adapt. For example, nations that have single-payer health care have lower health care costs  and superior results- lower infant mortality, higher overall life expectancy. Yes, there are many confounding factors, and correlation is not causation, but there's enough evidence there to imply that we should be seriously considering single-payer, and perhaps  testing it furtherto see if we can make it work for the US.

We can look towards history, too. For example, during periods of aggressively progressive taxation, the US economy added jobs and productivity at record rates. Now, there are a lot of confounding factors here- this was a period where the US was expanding into an empire, where our major competition lost decades recovering from a costly European war. But progressive taxation is something we can expand by degrees, and we can test- if we tax the rich slightly more, what impact does it have on the economy? Don't guess!  Try it and see what happens. What we can see is that other nations who have a more progressive tax structure tend to have a higher per-capita GDP, and that the average share of the GDP rises- the nation is more productive  and the benefits of that productivity are distributed more broadly through the population.
 
2014-01-08 09:45:26 AM

coeyagi: It amazes me that Eugenics hasn't been brought up by them.

If you going to be evil, just go Full Evil and get it over with.


They need to introduce the idea of the master white race first, then...

img.fark.net
 
2014-01-08 09:46:37 AM
The GOP and the Democrats are mostly millionaires, no? From Congress to the House to even lower down the chain. Most of them weren't poor and became rich, they were rich to begin with.

So asking them to solve poverty is like asking my dog to calculate pi.
 
2014-01-08 09:51:18 AM

jakomo002: The GOP and the Democrats are mostly millionaires, no? From Congress to the House to even lower down the chain. Most of them weren't poor and became rich, they were rich to begin with.

So asking them to solve poverty is like asking my dog to calculate pi.


Yes, most of them are rich.  I guess that means.... BSABSVR.

Seriously?  You should re-read what you write before hitting "Add Comment".

I guess all that clamor about extending unemployment benefits, continuing with SNAP benefits at their current rates, trying to bolster education in impoverished areas.... that's just total bluster from the left side (you know, the side that doesn't have control of the House)?
 
2014-01-08 09:51:58 AM

coeyagi: It amazes me that Eugenics hasn't been brought up by them.

If you going to be evil, just go Full Evil and get it over with.


- calling poor people wild animals that won't go away if you keep feeding them (check)
- they are all drug users (check)
- kids should work as janitors for the lunch program (check)
- forcing miners to watch political speeches without getting paid (check)
- suggest only land owners should be able to vote (check)

There is an sequence to this.  Don't try and rush things.  First, you have do deny them every possible right, consideration and form of respect.  Then you can round them up and kill them.
 
2014-01-08 09:57:12 AM

coeyagi: It amazes me that Eugenics hasn't been brought up by them.

If you going to be evil, just go Full Evil and get it over with.


Nope, that would almost be a tacit admittance of the existence of evolution.   You have to believe all the contradictory republican beliefs at once or you're a RINO.
 
2014-01-08 10:09:48 AM

ikanreed: coeyagi: It amazes me that Eugenics hasn't been brought up by them.

If you going to be evil, just go Full Evil and get it over with.

Nope, that would almost be a tacit admittance of the existence of evolution.   You have to believe all the contradictory republican beliefs at once or you're a RINO.


Why can't you just believe white straight christians are God's people and then kill everyone else? Eugenics in everything but name. Don't give up on the messaging ability of the GOP - that's all they have. They could sell sand to a scorpion.
 
2014-01-08 10:11:59 AM

Mister Buttons: coeyagi: It amazes me that Eugenics hasn't been brought up by them.

If you going to be evil, just go Full Evil and get it over with.

They need to introduce the idea of the master white race first, then...

[img.fark.net image 640x438]


That kitten looks like the gold paint huffing guy.
 
2014-01-08 10:12:39 AM

coeyagi: jakomo002: The GOP and the Democrats are mostly millionaires, no? From Congress to the House to even lower down the chain. Most of them weren't poor and became rich, they were rich to begin with.

So asking them to solve poverty is like asking my dog to calculate pi.

Yes, most of them are rich.  I guess that means.... BSABSVR.

Seriously?  You should re-read what you write before hitting "Add Comment".

I guess all that clamor about extending unemployment benefits, continuing with SNAP benefits at their current rates, trying to bolster education in impoverished areas.... that's just total bluster from the left side (you know, the side that doesn't have control of the House)?


Look, poverty has increased, the middle class has shrunk, and it's been going on for decades.  If you're STILL relying on your Elites to fix it after all the evidence to the contrary, you're not smart.  They look after their own interests (money, re-election) and ignore the majority in favor of monied supporters.

There probably are a couple who DO care, but they're the minority.

People who genuinely want to "end poverty" don't go into US politics, they work amongst the poor, volunteering or trying to HELP people.  Real people, face to face.
 
2014-01-08 10:14:09 AM

jakomo002: People who genuinely want to "end poverty" don't go into US politics, they work amongst the poor, volunteering or trying to HELP people.  Real people, face to face.


Well said.
 
2014-01-08 10:23:00 AM

coeyagi: ikanreed: coeyagi: It amazes me that Eugenics hasn't been brought up by them.

If you going to be evil, just go Full Evil and get it over with.

Nope, that would almost be a tacit admittance of the existence of evolution.   You have to believe all the contradictory republican beliefs at once or you're a RINO.

Why can't you just believe white straight christians are God's people and then kill everyone else? Eugenics in everything but name. Don't give up on the messaging ability of the GOP - that's all they have. They could sell sand to a scorpion.


They can just push policies with "eu"genics as a consequence, and they don't have to say a thing about it.
 
2014-01-08 10:26:28 AM
t3knomanser:

We can look towards history, too. For example, during periods of aggressively progressive taxation, the US economy added jobs and productivity at record rates. Now, there are a lot of confounding factors here- this was a period where the US was expanding into an empire, where our major competition lost decades recovering from a costly European war. But progressive taxation is something we can expand by degrees, and we can test- if we tax the rich slightly more, what impact does it have on the economy? Don't guess!  Try it and see what happens. What we can see is that other nations who have a more progressive tax structure tend to have a higher per-capita GDP, and that the average share of the GDP rises- the nation is more productive  and the benefits of that productivity are distributed more broadly through the population.

The GOP is well aware of this, but it does not make the rich richer and keep poors where they are, poor.  The goal of the GOP is to distract people by making them think that taxing and government spending are the cause of all their problems.  What they don't want people to know is that "trickle-down economics" is the basic cause of the wealth gap in America today.  They have accomplished this because they have gotten a large portion of the population to believe that the media is liberal.  This causes the media to question nothing, because they don't want to get accused of bias, or because they are corporate owned and benefit from near 0 taxation.
This has created an environment where raising taxes on the rich by 2% to help pay down the debt, or fund government stimulus to create jobs (the GOPs two things they say they want to do) is called, class warfare.  While cutting taxes for the rich and gutting social safety nets in order to get people "off the democrat plantation" is considered a "common sense solution" that will make everyone prosperous.
Basically until the media starts educating people, or people educate themselves that they are being screwed, poverty and income disparity will get worse not better, because we have a large portion of people that truly believe that if they just get farked a litter harder things are sure to get better.
 
2014-01-08 10:26:39 AM

jakomo002: coeyagi: jakomo002: The GOP and the Democrats are mostly millionaires, no? From Congress to the House to even lower down the chain. Most of them weren't poor and became rich, they were rich to begin with.

So asking them to solve poverty is like asking my dog to calculate pi.

Yes, most of them are rich.  I guess that means.... BSABSVR.

Seriously?  You should re-read what you write before hitting "Add Comment".

I guess all that clamor about extending unemployment benefits, continuing with SNAP benefits at their current rates, trying to bolster education in impoverished areas.... that's just total bluster from the left side (you know, the side that doesn't have control of the House)?

Look, poverty has increased, the middle class has shrunk, and it's been going on for decades.  If you're STILL relying on your Elites to fix it after all the evidence to the contrary, you're not smart.  They look after their own interests (money, re-election) and ignore the majority in favor of monied supporters.

There probably are a couple who DO care, but they're the minority.

People who genuinely want to "end poverty" don't go into US politics, they work amongst the poor, volunteering or trying to HELP people.  Real people, face to face.


Let me guess, something something... libertarian.

Volunteering in a soup kitchen is not a viable solution to ending poverty.
 
2014-01-08 10:28:23 AM
As far as Eugenics I think there were one or two proposals by the GOP to pay poor women to get sterilized.

/a measly amount like 1000$ too
//Cadillac Queens want a CEO's severance for that
 
2014-01-08 10:31:27 AM

jakomo002: coeyagi: jakomo002: The GOP and the Democrats are mostly millionaires, no? From Congress to the House to even lower down the chain. Most of them weren't poor and became rich, they were rich to begin with.

So asking them to solve poverty is like asking my dog to calculate pi.

Yes, most of them are rich.  I guess that means.... BSABSVR.

Seriously?  You should re-read what you write before hitting "Add Comment".

I guess all that clamor about extending unemployment benefits, continuing with SNAP benefits at their current rates, trying to bolster education in impoverished areas.... that's just total bluster from the left side (you know, the side that doesn't have control of the House)?

Look, poverty has increased, the middle class has shrunk, and it's been going on for decades.  If you're STILL relying on your Elites to fix it after all the evidence to the contrary, you're not smart.  They look after their own interests (money, re-election) and ignore the majority in favor of monied supporters.

There probably are a couple who DO care, but they're the minority.

People who genuinely want to "end poverty" don't go into US politics, they work amongst the poor, volunteering or trying to HELP people.  Real people, face to face.


Generally you're right, but I am sick of the BSAB sh*t.  Stop lumping Dems in with the evil sh*t that is being pulled by the GOP.  It has been proven that food stamps (SNAP) help the economy more so than not issuing them (the GOP's plan), so stop with your politically apathetic horsesh*t.  That kind of crap is why we have lower voter turnout than most god damn 3rd world nations.

In a country as large as us, it is nearly statistically impossible for both sides to be equally bad, so pick the side that is less evil and convince the retards who don't agree that they're wrong.

Or don't, I could give a f*ck.
 
2014-01-08 10:35:32 AM

propasaurus: Let me guess, something something... libertarian.

Volunteering in a soup kitchen is not a viable solution to ending poverty.


Uh, no, nowhere near libertarian.

And volunteering in a soup kitchen means you're HELPING to FEED the poor and hungry in your city.  You can't volunteer in all soup kitchens everywhere so you do what you can.  You help SOME people because you can't help ALL people.

A person needs to engage with the poor and interact with them to understand them, not just show up at a soup kitchen for a photo op for their political campaign so they get the "poverty vote".


/grew up poor
//mmmm mashed potato sandwiches
 
2014-01-08 10:39:03 AM

Europos: As far as Eugenics I think there were one or two proposals by the GOP to pay poor women to get sterilized.

/a measly amount like 1000$ too
//Cadillac Queens want a CEO's severance for that


Poor, today?  Well, sorry you can never contribute anything to the world in the future, nor can any of your descendants.
 
2014-01-08 10:46:10 AM

coeyagi: Generally you're right, but I am sick of the BSAB sh*t.  Stop lumping Dems in with the evil sh*t that is being pulled by the GOP.  It has been proven that food stamps (SNAP) help the economy more so than not issuing them (the GOP's plan), so stop with your politically apathetic horsesh*t.  That kind of crap is why we have lower voter turnout than most god damn 3rd world nations.

In a country as large as us, it is nearly statistically impossible for both sides to be equally bad, so pick the side that is less evil and convince the retards who don't agree that they're wrong.

Or don't, I could give a f*ck.


They are all mostly liars and cheats, I don't support any of them, D or R.  Barring small differences (hotbutton issues like abortion, teh ghey, and gun control) they are the same party.

Call them the Ruling Elite.  Hand-picked by other elites for you to vote for.

Did Obama close Gitmo?  Did he scale back on ANY Bush II policies?  Hardly a one.

Continuity is key.  Thus, year after year, decade after decade, the rich get richer and the poor stay poor.
 
2014-01-08 10:48:18 AM
And if you're constantly forced to vote for the lesser evil, you don't end up with anything good.
 
2014-01-08 10:48:51 AM

jakomo002: Look, poverty has increased, the middle class has shrunk, and it's been going on for decades. If you're STILL relying on your Elites to fix it after all the evidence to the contrary, you're not smart. They look after their own interests (money, re-election) and ignore the majority in favor of monied supporters.


I've never understood this criticism of politicians.  If it's the voters who reelect politicians, presumably based on their job performance, then shouldn't it be a good thing that politicians care so much about reelection?

I think what you mean to say is that the voters fall too easily for reelection gimmicks, which is the fault of the voters, not the politicians.
 
2014-01-08 10:51:53 AM

jakomo002: coeyagi: Generally you're right, but I am sick of the BSAB sh*t.  Stop lumping Dems in with the evil sh*t that is being pulled by the GOP.  It has been proven that food stamps (SNAP) help the economy more so than not issuing them (the GOP's plan), so stop with your politically apathetic horsesh*t.  That kind of crap is why we have lower voter turnout than most god damn 3rd world nations.

In a country as large as us, it is nearly statistically impossible for both sides to be equally bad, so pick the side that is less evil and convince the retards who don't agree that they're wrong.

Or don't, I could give a f*ck.

They are all mostly liars and cheats, I don't support any of them, D or R.  Barring small differences (hotbutton issues like abortion, teh ghey, and gun control) they are the same party.

Call them the Ruling Elite.  Hand-picked by other elites for you to vote for.

Did Obama close Gitmo?  Did he scale back on ANY Bush II policies?  Hardly a one.

Continuity is key.  Thus, year after year, decade after decade, the rich get richer and the poor stay poor.



Way to fail as an independent. Obama couldn't close Gitmo because of the GOP. F*ck off, amateur.
 
2014-01-08 10:57:08 AM

The Name: I've never understood this criticism of politicians.  If it's the voters who reelect politicians, presumably based on their job performance, then shouldn't it be a good thing that politicians care so much about reelection?

I think what you mean to say is that the voters fall too easily for reelection gimmicks, which is the fault of the voters, not the politicians.


But it's rarely about job performance.  They throw blame across the aisle when they fark up, and pander specifically and exclusively to the supporters that helped elect them in the first place.  I mean, look at the sheer amount of incumbents who ALWAYS win.  People who have been there for 20 years.  No new blood, no new ideas, just status quo.

And it's our fault as voters for falling for the lies and enabling them, but it's their fault first for lying in the first place.
 
2014-01-08 10:57:49 AM

coeyagi: jakomo002: coeyagi: Generally you're right, but I am sick of the BSAB sh*t.  Stop lumping Dems in with the evil sh*t that is being pulled by the GOP.  It has been proven that food stamps (SNAP) help the economy more so than not issuing them (the GOP's plan), so stop with your politically apathetic horsesh*t.  That kind of crap is why we have lower voter turnout than most god damn 3rd world nations.

In a country as large as us, it is nearly statistically impossible for both sides to be equally bad, so pick the side that is less evil and convince the retards who don't agree that they're wrong.

Or don't, I could give a f*ck.

They are all mostly liars and cheats, I don't support any of them, D or R.  Barring small differences (hotbutton issues like abortion, teh ghey, and gun control) they are the same party.

Call them the Ruling Elite.  Hand-picked by other elites for you to vote for.

Did Obama close Gitmo?  Did he scale back on ANY Bush II policies?  Hardly a one.

Continuity is key.  Thus, year after year, decade after decade, the rich get richer and the poor stay poor.


Way to fail as an independent. Obama couldn't close Gitmo because of the GOP. F*ck off, amateur.


Obama can close Gitmo any time he wants.  He is the Commander in Chief of the people operating the base.
 
2014-01-08 10:59:06 AM
Maybe start by fixing this?
i39.tinypic.com
 
2014-01-08 11:00:21 AM

t3knomanser: Instead of making decisions based on ideology, perhaps the Republicans should look towards other nations and see what they do, and based on what works and what doesn't, adopt and adapt.


I think that would be unlikely because it goes against the principle of American exceptionalism. It damages the belief that America is above and beyond Europe. (And they also have a very strong fear of foreign influence.)

t3knomanser: For example, nations that have single-payer health care have lower health care costs and superior results- lower infant mortality, higher overall life expectancy.


For them it isn't about the advantages and disadvantages of the means. They put principles and moral conditions first. This is why the first question they ask is "Is this capitalism or is this socialism?" or "Will this change who we are?"

t3knomanser: Yes, there are many confounding factors, and correlation is not causation, but there's enough evidence there to imply that we should be seriously considering single-payer, and perhaps testing it furtherto see if we can make it work for the US.


No Republican leader said it outright but the problem with single-payer is that it means admitting that there is no market solution for health care.
 
2014-01-08 11:02:26 AM

jakomo002: And if you're constantly forced to vote for the lesser evil, you don't end up with anything good.


James Madison says "Man up, Nancy":
"What are we to say to the men who profess the most flaming zeal for republican government, yet boldly impeach the fundamental principle of it; who pretend to be champions for the right and the capacity of the people to choose their own rulers, yet maintain that they will prefer those only who will immediately and infallibly betray the trust committed to them?"

If you want someone you KNOW you can trust, run for office yourself. Otherwise, get used to the idea that you're not going to get a perfect candidate.
 
2014-01-08 11:04:14 AM

jakomo002: And it's our fault as voters for falling for the lies and enabling them, but it's their fault first for lying in the first place.


I've said this before, and I'll say it again:  Why do Americans, supposedly the most bootstrappy, ruggedly independent people on earth, whose virtual national motto is "there's no such thing as a free lunch," think that good government should be handed to them without any participation on their part?

Just a weird thing about our culture that I've noticed.

jakomo002: Call them the Ruling Elite. Hand-picked by other elites for you to vote for.


Said like someone who's never voted in a local election or a primary.
 
2014-01-08 11:05:17 AM

coeyagi: Way to fail as an independent. Obama couldn't close Gitmo because of the GOP. F*ck off, amateur.


Wow.  Way to go down in flames.  Wipe the spittle from your monitor

If you desperately need to label me, I am an anarchist, specifically anarcho-syndicalist....  Look it up.
 
2014-01-08 11:07:13 AM

jakomo002: coeyagi: Way to fail as an independent. Obama couldn't close Gitmo because of the GOP. F*ck off, amateur.

Wow.  Way to go down in flames.  Wipe the spittle from your monitor

If you desperately need to label me, I am an anarchist, specifically anarcho-syndicalist....  Look it up.


Figures.
 
2014-01-08 11:08:59 AM
Obviously, the poor just need more Freedom.  With enough Freedom no one who didn't WANT to be poor would choose to be poor.
 
2014-01-08 11:12:23 AM

jakomo002: coeyagi: Way to fail as an independent. Obama couldn't close Gitmo because of the GOP. F*ck off, amateur.

Wow.  Way to go down in flames.  Wipe the spittle from your monitor

If you desperately need to label me, I am an anarchist, specifically anarcho-syndicalist....  Look it up.


Being angry at repeated(really forever and ever and ever), dumb(come on the refutation here is obvious and given every time this comes out) points is what we call "being human".

Just because you can play the "u mad bro?" card, doesn't make you right.
 
2014-01-08 11:14:01 AM
I am still amazed by the lack of religious push back by any charismatic pastor against a group that LITERALLY has a golden calf as a symbol and promotes the accumulation of wealth and privilege of the few over helping those less fortunate.

If you were to write a script about a faceless anti-Christian group that tries to control the world you couldn't POSSIBLY do better than Wall Street. Really, if there's a conglomeration of the 7 deadly sins, it's there - with a double down on greed, vanity, pride and gluttony. (Lust, wrath and sloth not being in short supply either)
 
2014-01-08 11:23:20 AM

ikanreed: Just because you can play the "u mad bro?" card, doesn't make you right.


No, history, fact, and the ability to think rationally does.


The Name: Said like someone who's never voted in a local election or a primary.


 I've voted in tons of local elections.

 

Dr Dreidel: If you want someone you KNOW you can trust, run for office yourself. Otherwise, get used to the idea that you're not going to get a perfect candidate.


I would have to make too many concessions and compromises to get enough money to run, but I've thought about it.  No corporate contributions for an anarcho-syndicalist.

I try to vote for the candidate with the best policies, but these days it's all Cult of Personality, and they're deliberately vague on policy.  ("I'll make things better!")
 
2014-01-08 11:38:17 AM
Calling poors inherently lazy and shiftless isn't innovative at all.  The real visionaries are the ones declaring Joplin and Sandy victims inherently lazy and shiftless the moment their house disappears.
 
2014-01-08 11:50:40 AM

jakomo002: I try to vote for the candidate with the best policies, but these days it's all Cult of Personality, and they're deliberately vague on policy. ("I'll make things better!")


In the current era, do you think it's more or less Cult of Personality than it was 20, 50, 100, 240 years ago? Is it easier or harder now to both disseminate and fact-check information? Do you think candidates 100 years ago were more or less prone to making empty campaign promises (or not fulfilling the ones they made)?

And do you think it's any less likely to be the same case with a Libertarian, Green, Constitution, Pirate, Socialist, Whig, Federalist, Anti-Federalist, Anarcho-Syndicalist, Anarchist, Minarchist, or Name-a-Party than with a Democrat or Republican?

Basically, I don't think it's a problem with the system so much as the players. And while I share a generally negative sentiment of the people in office, I don't think it's substantially worse now than it was at any time except maybe the Civil War/Reconstruction.
 
2014-01-08 11:51:21 AM

Xcott: Calling poors inherently lazy and shiftless isn't innovative at all.  The real visionaries are the ones declaring Joplin and Sandy victims inherently lazy and shiftless the moment their house disappears.


It's amazing how fast a person can turn homeless.

static2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-01-08 11:51:59 AM

The Name: jakomo002: coeyagi: Way to fail as an independent. Obama couldn't close Gitmo because of the GOP. F*ck off, amateur.

Wow.  Way to go down in flames.  Wipe the spittle from your monitor

If you desperately need to label me, I am an anarchist, specifically anarcho-syndicalist....  Look it up.

Figures.


Is that a smug hipster anarchy kind of thing? Because you sound smug.
 
2014-01-08 11:56:19 AM
When in doubt, always bet on a Flat Tax to help out poor people.
 
2014-01-08 12:05:05 PM

jakomo002: People who genuinely want to "end poverty" don't go into US politics, they work amongst the poor, volunteering or trying to HELP people.  Real people, face to face.


media.theweek.com

Yeah.  That's what community organizers do.  Glad you guys finally noticed what the Republicans have been doing for years.
 
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