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(The Detroit_News)   The onboard computer in your car is keeping track of your affairs, your drug deals and your ridiculously bad driving and no, you can't ask for it to be erased   (detroitnews.com) divider line 30
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2014-01-08 08:27:43 AM  
The US Government is worried about my privacy?

That is the funniest thing I have heard since I found out there is a "Government Accountability Office".
 
2014-01-08 08:36:53 AM  
That's why I usually rent cars using another identity when I go to a no-tell motel for a nooner.
 
2014-01-08 08:42:01 AM  
Detroit's Big Three automakers

Two. Big Two. The 3rd one is Italian now.
 
2014-01-08 09:12:35 AM  
All it is recording, of my what is now a most miserable life, is the monotonous drone of traveling to and from work and the occasional trip to the grocery store to resupply sustenance. If they want to analyze that pile of data, they can be my guest.

/had a life
//found Fark
 
2014-01-08 09:13:06 AM  
You know how you could solve a lot of these problems real fast without a lot fuss and muss?

Data ownership.

Simply make certain classes of data generated by a person's daily activities personally owned by that person. For example, my personal location and movements are my personal data that I own and cannot be collected or reused by anybody else without me telling them they can.

My birthday, gender, height, weight, hair color, food preferences, etc. are all mine and nobody else is allowed to collect or use that information without a prior agreement.

The websites I visit are my personal data and that data cannot be recorded, stored, categorized or marketed to without a prior agreement allowing it.

If people want to sign away their personal information, that's fine, but that should require them to actually do that. The default should be that we own all of our personally generated information and it's ours unless we let someone else use it.

Ta-da. Problem solved.
 
2014-01-08 09:25:38 AM  

EvilEeyore: All it is recording, of my what is now a most miserable life, is the monotonous drone of traveling to and from work and the occasional trip to the grocery store to resupply sustenance. If they want to analyze that pile of data, they can be my guest.

/had a life
//found Fark



A guy that clean's got to be dirty.
 
2014-01-08 09:27:38 AM  

skozlaw: You know how you could solve a lot of these problems real fast without a lot fuss and muss?


Yep. I solved it by buying an older vehicle that doesn't have an onboard computer. Threw a rebuilt engine in there, cause they don't care how old the engine is, just the car. Bonus: I can easily do my own oil and filter changes in about 10 minutes (not counting the smoke break while it drains).Extra Bonus: It's old enough to be exempt from emissions testing, making state inspection much cheaper.
 
2014-01-08 09:27:59 AM  

EvilEeyore: All it is recording, of my what is now a most miserable life, is the monotonous drone of traveling to and from work and the occasional trip to the grocery store to resupply sustenance. If they want to analyze that pile of data, they can be my guest.

/had a life
//found Fark


Abandon Hope; All Ye Who Enter FARK

I use my car for mostly local travel as well, and don't use most of the tech features. An automobile should NOT be a mobile entertainment center!

/brandishes walking cane and shouts at the kids playing on lawn
 
2014-01-08 09:33:03 AM  

skozlaw: You know how you could solve a lot of these problems real fast without a lot fuss and muss?

Data ownership.

Simply make certain classes of data generated by a person's daily activities personally owned by that person. For example, my personal location and movements are my personal data that I own and cannot be collected or reused by anybody else without me telling them they can.

My birthday, gender, height, weight, hair color, food preferences, etc. are all mine and nobody else is allowed to collect or use that information without a prior agreement.

The websites I visit are my personal data and that data cannot be recorded, stored, categorized or marketed to without a prior agreement allowing it.

If people want to sign away their personal information, that's fine, but that should require them to actually do that. The default should be that we own all of our personally generated information and it's ours unless we let someone else use it.

Ta-da. Problem solved.


Hi new Chevy owner, would like to use in car navigation?

You picked YES, please agree to following before we can allow you start your car!

<WALL OF TEXT EULA, with allowance to let them do whatever to your data>

Yes, I accept this EULA!
No, I wish to only have a $2000 AM/FM radio!
 
2014-01-08 09:44:26 AM  

wingnut396: skozlaw: You know how you could solve a lot of these problems real fast without a lot fuss and muss?

Data ownership.

Simply make certain classes of data generated by a person's daily activities personally owned by that person. For example, my personal location and movements are my personal data that I own and cannot be collected or reused by anybody else without me telling them they can.

My birthday, gender, height, weight, hair color, food preferences, etc. are all mine and nobody else is allowed to collect or use that information without a prior agreement.

The websites I visit are my personal data and that data cannot be recorded, stored, categorized or marketed to without a prior agreement allowing it.

If people want to sign away their personal information, that's fine, but that should require them to actually do that. The default should be that we own all of our personally generated information and it's ours unless we let someone else use it.

Ta-da. Problem solved.

Hi new Chevy owner, would like to use in car navigation?

You picked YES, please agree to following before we can allow you start your car!

<WALL OF TEXT EULA, with allowance to let them do whatever to your data>

Yes, I accept this EULA!
No, I wish to only have a $2000 AM/FM radio!


This.
 
2014-01-08 09:48:42 AM  

mr_a: The US Government is worried about my privacy?

That is the funniest thing I have heard since I found out there is a "Government Accountability Office".


That brings up a more important issue:  Because that data is being transmitted back to the car companies, it's subject to being intercepted by the government, so it really doesn't matter if the car companies keep the data for a millisecond, or forever:  It quite likely will end up in the hands of some NSA analyst anyway.
 
2014-01-08 10:15:13 AM  

dittybopper: It quite likely will end up in the hands of some NSA analyst anyway.


Think of the saving to the taxpayers. We won't have to pay for all the GPS units they were going to force us to use.
 
2014-01-08 10:22:24 AM  

vudukungfu: dittybopper: It quite likely will end up in the hands of some NSA analyst anyway.

Think of the saving to the taxpayers. We won't have to pay for all the GPS units they were going to force us to use.


Ummm, you're still paying for it.  It's built in to the price of the car.

Now, if you don't drive, then yeah, that would be a savings, I guess, but since you almost certainly carry around a personal location beacon known informally as a "cell phone", which also costs you money, I'm guessing there really isn't any savings to the taxpayers to be had here.
 
2014-01-08 10:27:07 AM  
That's why I masturbate in my car.

I like to make it watch.
 
2014-01-08 11:17:47 AM  
I was feeling very smug about the fact that I drive a late-90s car with no computer, but then I remembered that I have an EZ-pass transponder, and use a portable Garmin Nuvi when I drive anywhere unfamiliar.
 
2014-01-08 11:23:47 AM  
thats why i run c cleaner once a week on it
 
2014-01-08 11:43:27 AM  

vudukungfu: dittybopper: It quite likely will end up in the hands of some NSA analyst anyway.

Think of the saving to the taxpayers. We won't have to pay for all the GPS units they were going to force us to use.


And, if we do get to contact auto companies to have our history destroyed, they can just sign us up for the special NSA watch list at the same time!
 
2014-01-08 11:51:52 AM  
Ta-da. Problem solved, except it's now illegal to observe the obvious. gender, seriously?
 
2014-01-08 12:02:34 PM  
I do not understand why some people are continually surprised by this kind of thing. If you or the stuff you own send information about you to come corporate or government entity, they are going to keep it and do with it whatever the fark they please. Storage is cheap, your privacy is even cheaper.
 
2014-01-08 12:58:12 PM  
Joke's on you I drive a 21 year old Camry! I can do drug deals and hookers for days!
 
2014-01-08 01:26:48 PM  

wingnut396: Yes, I accept this EULA!
No, I wish to only have a $2000 AM/FM radio!


Consumer apathy about this sort of thing is a whole other problem. I don't want the law to force me to do the smart thing, but I do want the law to make it so that the information necessary for me to make that choice is available.

If they want to throw some shiatty legalese in my face about the nav I just won't buy it. If Soccer Sally over there feels otherwise, that's her choice. My only baseline is really that the choice should be there and positively made by the consumer.

untaken_name: skozlaw: You know how you could solve a lot of these problems real fast without a lot fuss and muss?

Yep. I solved it by buying an older vehicle that doesn't have an onboard computer. Threw a rebuilt engine in there, cause they don't care how old the engine is, just the car. Bonus: I can easily do my own oil and filter changes in about 10 minutes (not counting the smoke break while it drains).Extra Bonus: It's old enough to be exempt from emissions testing, making state inspection much cheaper.


Of course, there's invariably one massive problem with that approach even if you don't care about style, comfort or performance: safety. Even just fifteen years ago cars were much, much less safe than they are now and you'll pay a very steep price the first time that becomes relevant because some joker decides to suddenly change lanes into your side or smack you from behind without slowing down at a stop light.  And if you have a car that really predates onboard electronics you're driving an outright death trap.
 
2014-01-08 02:07:26 PM  
Insurance companies will demand access to this data (or adjust your premium upwards if you decline) or get it by subpoena if the collecting agencies resist.

Your premiums (or insurability) will be based on your actual driving performance as measured by this data, GPS records and other in-car sensors such as the ones used to activate airbags.

In Britain, police have a couple of new tactics - plate recognition cameras that calculate how fast you got from A to B on motorway, and if that implies you exceeded speed limit, you get a ticket.

And, motorists invited to upload to police websites, footage from their dashcams (popular in Brit bc of rear-end collision scams) of other motorists driving dangerously.

Very soon you will have trouble getting insurance cover unless you Drive Like A Girl.
 
2014-01-08 02:34:24 PM  

skozlaw: You know how you could solve a lot of these problems real fast without a lot fuss and muss?

Data ownership.

Simply make certain classes of data generated by a person's daily activities personally owned by that person. For example, my personal location and movements are my personal data that I own and cannot be collected or reused by anybody else without me telling them they can.

My birthday, gender, height, weight, hair color, food preferences, etc. are all mine and nobody else is allowed to collect or use that information without a prior agreement.

The websites I visit are my personal data and that data cannot be recorded, stored, categorized or marketed to without a prior agreement allowing it.

If people want to sign away their personal information, that's fine, but that should require them to actually do that. The default should be that we own all of our personally generated information and it's ours unless we let someone else use it.

Ta-da. Problem solved.


And every single EULA, lease, contract, TOS, etc. will then contain a clause requiring you to give up that data.  Every single one.  Kinda like how non-smokers could just choose to go to a smoke-free bar before indoor smoking bans.  Great in theory, but none actually existed in practice.

No company is going to give up data profiling & marketing in order to cater to the vanishingly small population of people (myself included) who give a damn about privacy.
 
2014-01-08 02:54:16 PM  
Motown ain't what it used to be.   From TFA

The report reviewed practices of Detroit's Big Three automakers, Toyota Motor Corp., Honda Motor Co. and Nissan Motor Co
 
2014-01-08 04:13:36 PM  

Ayaitch: Motown ain't what it used to be.   From TFA

The report reviewed practices of the strippers, JFK and Stalin

 
2014-01-08 07:08:58 PM  
 
2014-01-08 08:03:35 PM  
to all of you getting your panties twisted over the "big 3" quote, LOOK AT WHAT IS IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE WORD "automakers". Do you see that little punctuation mark? It's a farking comma, not a colon. The sentence is a list of automakers that includes the big 3 and three other major automakers that happen to be Japanese companies. It is not saying that the big 3 automakers are the three Japanese companies listed after the farking comma.
 
2014-01-08 08:36:20 PM  

skozlaw: wingnut396: Yes, I accept this EULA!
No, I wish to only have a $2000 AM/FM radio!

Consumer apathy about this sort of thing is a whole other problem. I don't want the law to force me to do the smart thing, but I do want the law to make it so that the information necessary for me to make that choice is available.

If they want to throw some shiatty legalese in my face about the nav I just won't buy it. If Soccer Sally over there feels otherwise, that's her choice. My only baseline is really that the choice should be there and positively made by the consumer.

untaken_name: skozlaw: You know how you could solve a lot of these problems real fast without a lot fuss and muss?

Yep. I solved it by buying an older vehicle that doesn't have an onboard computer. Threw a rebuilt engine in there, cause they don't care how old the engine is, just the car. Bonus: I can easily do my own oil and filter changes in about 10 minutes (not counting the smoke break while it drains).Extra Bonus: It's old enough to be exempt from emissions testing, making state inspection much cheaper.

Of course, there's invariably one massive problem with that approach even if you don't care about style, comfort or performance: safety. Even just fifteen years ago cars were much, much less safe than they are now and you'll pay a very steep price the first time that becomes relevant because some joker decides to suddenly change lanes into your side or smack you from behind without slowing down at a stop light.  And if you have a car that really predates onboard electronics you're driving an outright death trap.


I'm not worried about safety. Any crash that would harm me in my tank I do NOT want to live through. You really think a modern hybrid is going to hurt two tons of detroit steel? Pshaw. Pshaw, I say.
 
2014-01-09 12:09:57 AM  

Ghastly: That's why I masturbate in my car.

I like to make it watch.


i like you. we should be friends.
 
2014-01-09 09:38:17 AM  
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Detroit's Big Three automakers

Two. Big Two. The 3rd one is Italian now.

And thanks gullible americans for the bail out.
 
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