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(BBC-US)   FIFA: On second thought, maybe holding a World Cup in the middle of a desert in the middle of the summer wasn't the hottest idea. We'll just move it to winter and interrupt league play LOL   (bbc.com) divider line 73
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2014-01-08 09:00:03 AM  
Why is this in the sports tab? Fark clearly needs a flop acting tab for soccer stories.
 
2014-01-08 09:00:26 AM  
FIFA is going to learn a harsh lesson by crossing the FA.
 
2014-01-08 09:02:55 AM  

rjakobi: FIFA is going to learn a harsh lesson by crossing the FA.


You mean:

FIFA is going to learn a harsh lesson by crossing TV broadcasters with Premier League rights.
 
2014-01-08 09:03:31 AM  
The NHL says, "What's the problem with interrupting league play to host an international tournament?"
 
2014-01-08 09:10:13 AM  
I can't wait until someone pulls out a firearm during leauge play.
 
2014-01-08 09:11:10 AM  
And this is what happens when you give the largest sporting event in the world to a country with no infrastructure.

/Qatar never should have been given the World Cup.
//Money really can buy anything.
 
2014-01-08 09:17:14 AM  
While I consider Qatar a silly choice for hosting the World Cup, I don't see the point in holding fast to the summer timetable of the event.

Qatar's World Cup is in 2022.

Are you telling me that domestic leagues can't plan for an autumn or winter World Cup 8 years in advance?
 
2014-01-08 09:17:50 AM  

van1ty: The NHL says, "What's the problem with interrupting league play to host an international tournament?"


Make no mistake, the NHL HATES interrupting its season for the Olympics every four years.  If it were up to the league and the owners they never would.

The only reason they do it is because the players (particularly the Europeans) really really want it, so the NHL is able to use trade Olympic participation as a valuable bargaining chip for a boatload of other concessions from the players union during CBA negotiations.
 
2014-01-08 09:21:08 AM  
Domestic leagues *could* adapt. But most of them are in no mood to help Dubai or FIFA. Not after the whole bribey way they got the World Cup in the first place.
 
2014-01-08 09:21:42 AM  

Doc Daneeka: van1ty: The NHL says, "What's the problem with interrupting league play to host an international tournament?"

Make no mistake, the NHL HATES interrupting its season for the Olympics every four years.  If it were up to the league and the owners they never would.

The only reason they do it is because the players (particularly the Europeans) really really want it, so the NHL is able to use trade Olympic participation as a valuable bargaining chip for a boatload of other concessions from the players union during CBA negotiations.


I would add to that that it looks like the days of NHL participation in the Olympics are numbered, now that the league is trying to revive the World Cup of Hockey on regular basis as a big international tournament it can control and place in the NHL offseason.
 
2014-01-08 09:25:06 AM  

stickymichael: rjakobi: FIFA is going to learn a harsh lesson by crossing the FA.

You mean:

FIFA is going to learn a harsh lesson by crossing TV broadcasters with Premier League rights.


Not to mention Fox, who paid $425 million for the 2018 and 2022 WC rights, and will now have to run one of them opposite NFL and college football.
 
2014-01-08 09:25:34 AM  

Generation_D: Domestic leagues *could* adapt. But most of them are in no mood to help Dubai or FIFA. Not after the whole bribey way they got the World Cup in the first place.


Dubai is in the UAE, not Qatar.  I'm not sure if Qatar or FIFA has a deal to host games in the UAE.
 
2014-01-08 09:35:07 AM  
You chose fruit, you live with fruit.
 
2014-01-08 09:45:26 AM  

vonmatrices: Are you telling me that domestic leagues can't plan for an autumn or winter World Cup 8 years in advance?


I agree. The only real issue is with the English FA. Most other (sane) FAs around Europe schedule a Christmas break. Some are shorter than others.

Come on, your club loses a guy for a few weeks mid-season. You'll have plenty of time to make up points.
 
2014-01-08 09:50:01 AM  
F*ck Qatar.

Here's an idea, let's do the sensible thing and award the 2022 World Cup to the United States, which is what should have happened in the first place.
 
2014-01-08 09:51:56 AM  

vonmatrices: Generation_D: Domestic leagues *could* adapt. But most of them are in no mood to help Dubai or FIFA. Not after the whole bribey way they got the World Cup in the first place.

Dubai is in the UAE, not Qatar.  I'm not sure if Qatar or FIFA has a deal to host games in the UAE.


I always mix them up. One sh*tty little oil lottery country is pretty much the same as the others.

None of them deserves to host a world cup. But money talked.
 
2014-01-08 09:52:01 AM  
one of the biggest hangups in the nhl was also the insurance policies that kick in if a player gets hurt while at the olympics. No owner wants to shell out salary bucks for someone injured while playing for country, and insurance companies dont want to pay salaries for any reason. I believe the same issue will happen here. If your top striker goes down who will pay his top dollar salary??

I believe it was solved by players getting their own insurance to play in the olympics.
 
2014-01-08 09:59:34 AM  

vonmatrices: While I consider Qatar a silly choice for hosting the World Cup, I don't see the point in holding fast to the summer timetable of the event.

Qatar's World Cup is in 2022.

Are you telling me that domestic leagues can't plan for an autumn or winter World Cup 8 years in advance?



The bigger picture view is that they just shouldn't have to.

Qatar is quite simply an utterly horrible choice as a World Cup host. On top of interfering with domestic league and Champions League play, Qatar has (at this point)  one stadium worthy of World Cup play. Granted, 2022 is 8 years away, but in terms of World Cup readiness, Qatar lags behind many other nations that would be a far better choice.


To sum: f*ck Qatar.
 
2014-01-08 10:04:12 AM  

Rev.K: F*ck Qatar.

Here's an idea, let's do the sensible thing and award the 2022 World Cup to the United States, which is what should have happened in the first place.


This really could be the worst World Cup on history. Very little infrastructure, slave laborers, very strict rules on alcohol and clothing, oppressive weather, etc, etc. In what way was this a good idea? I mean, other than for selection committee members and their ever increasing Swiss bank accounts.
 
2014-01-08 10:05:46 AM  

Rev.K: On top of interfering with domestic league and Champions League play,


The English and Southern European clubs will probably welcome the date change for the 6th match of the group stage of the CL. Going to Russia the first week of December only works in the home team's advantage.
 
2014-01-08 10:06:37 AM  
Don't move it! The drudgery of soccer is the only thing to distract from the drudgery of baseball in the summer.
 
2014-01-08 10:19:01 AM  

fatalvenom: I can't wait until someone pulls out a firearm during leauge play.


4.bp.blogspot.comApproves
 
2014-01-08 10:22:23 AM  
I'm sure America will surely avert its eyes from College and Pro (American) football during this time period to focus on soccer. Hell, schedule the 1st place game the same day as the Super Bowl to show Fox who is boss.

\Super Bowl broadcast rights aren't done that far our are they?  If Fox holds it that year there may be many members of FIFA accidentally keeling over after drinking some funny tasting wine or caviar
 
2014-01-08 10:23:48 AM  

Rev.K: F*ck Qatar.

Here's an idea, let's do the sensible thing and award the 2022 World Cup to the United States, which is what should have happened in the first place.


Somebody today pointed out that there's a non-zero chance that the US could end up hosting the next three World Cups.  Probably won't host any, but there's a chance.

World Cup in November and December is stupid but if they're going to move it out of the summer they should tell the national leagues to adjust their 2020-22 schedules to play July-March or June-Feb and then play the World Cup in March-April.  That would be better than breaking up the leagues for two months right in the middle of the season.  Still, give it to the US.
 
2014-01-08 10:31:10 AM  

eagles95: I'm sure America will surely avert its eyes from College and Pro (American) football during this time period to focus on soccer. Hell, schedule the 1st place game the same day as the Super Bowl to show Fox who is boss.

\Super Bowl broadcast rights aren't done that far our are they?  If Fox holds it that year there may be many members of FIFA accidentally keeling over after drinking some funny tasting wine or caviar


Actually, the Super Bowl rights have been determined through the 2022 season (or at least that's what the current TV deal is for).  Assuming the same pattern holds, CBS will have the 2023 Super Bowl (for the 2022 season).
 
2014-01-08 10:32:29 AM  

Rev.K: vonmatrices: While I consider Qatar a silly choice for hosting the World Cup, I don't see the point in holding fast to the summer timetable of the event.

Qatar's World Cup is in 2022.

Are you telling me that domestic leagues can't plan for an autumn or winter World Cup 8 years in advance?


The bigger picture view is that they just shouldn't have to.

Qatar is quite simply an utterly horrible choice as a World Cup host. On top of interfering with domestic league and Champions League play, Qatar has (at this point)  one stadium worthy of World Cup play. Granted, 2022 is 8 years away, but in terms of World Cup readiness, Qatar lags behind many other nations that would be a far better choice.


To sum: f*ck Qatar.


I, for the most part, agree.  Qatar doesn't seem to make sense to host a World Cup, but if we hold fast to the summer timetable I'm wondering how many other countries would suffer as well?
 
2014-01-08 10:45:31 AM  

Doc Daneeka: Make no mistake, the NHL HATES interrupting its season for the Olympics every four years.  If it were up to the league and the owners they never would.


The only reason they hate the interruption is because they don't control the Olympics.

They pretty much openly stated they may stop participation for the 2018 games, and go back to World Cups instead (because they will run it, profit from it, and put the games into their own arenas).

If the NHL was getting a slice, they would have no problems with the Olympics.
 
2014-01-08 10:45:52 AM  

vonmatrices: While I consider Qatar a silly choice for hosting the World Cup, I don't see the point in holding fast to the summer timetable of the event.

Qatar's World Cup is in 2022.

Are you telling me that domestic leagues can't plan for an autumn or winter World Cup 8 years in advance?


I don't know. Are you telling me that MLB can't plan to have the World Series in mid-December? That's basically what you're asking.
 
2014-01-08 10:47:32 AM  

rugman11: eagles95: I'm sure America will surely avert its eyes from College and Pro (American) football during this time period to focus on soccer. Hell, schedule the 1st place game the same day as the Super Bowl to show Fox who is boss.

\Super Bowl broadcast rights aren't done that far our are they?  If Fox holds it that year there may be many members of FIFA accidentally keeling over after drinking some funny tasting wine or caviar

Actually, the Super Bowl rights have been determined through the 2022 season (or at least that's what the current TV deal is for).  Assuming the same pattern holds, CBS will have the 2023 Super Bowl (for the 2022 season).


Thanks...too lazy/cold to Google it this morning. It still would crap on Fox though since they are 8 hours ahead of the east coast of USA. Any night games (7p-8p) in Qatar would either bump into morning football games in america. And since FOX i assume has NFL rights for infinity, they are not going to be pleased to be messing with scheduling all this.
 
2014-01-08 10:50:49 AM  

Doc Daneeka: van1ty: The NHL says, "What's the problem with interrupting league play to host an international tournament?"

Make no mistake, the NHL HATES interrupting its season for the Olympics every four years.  If it were up to the league and the owners they never would.

The only reason they do it is because the players (particularly the Europeans) really really want it, so the NHL is able to use trade Olympic participation as a valuable bargaining chip for a boatload of other concessions from the players union during CBA negotiations.


I disagree, yea the league puts up a little stink, but I think they just use that for leverage. Olympic hockey brings eyes to the sport. I mean, consider what is widely agreed to be the greatest moment in hockey, and one of the greatest in sports, the miracle on ice.

Putting NHL players out there gets eyes on those players, and potentially makes fans who may follow them back to their teams, or check out a local game.

Now with Socchi, you have the time difference, so you won't get quite as many eyes on it as you would in years that line up better with US tv, but it will still put hockey in the headlines, and if you didn't send NHL players, the olympic hockey headlines would bury the NHL ones for that timeframe.
 
2014-01-08 10:53:32 AM  

LemSkroob: The only reason they hate the interruption is because they don't control the Olympics.

They pretty much openly stated they may stop participation for the 2018 games, and go back to World Cups instead (because they will run it, profit from it, and put the games into their own arenas).

If the NHL was getting a slice, they would have no problems with the Olympics.


The other question is how many players hop back to Europe in response? If the players are willing to give up so much in negotiations to get it, it's something they may very well leave over if they don't... and something the remainder will demand those concessions back in exchange for losing.
 
2014-01-08 10:55:50 AM  

van1ty: The NHL says, "What's the problem with interrupting league play to host an international tournament?"


The MLS says "this."
 
2014-01-08 11:01:04 AM  

rugman11: Still, give it to the US.


And this is where most of the butthurt from Qatar comes from.

The draw is long over. Provide more suitcases of cash Better luck next time.
 
2014-01-08 11:11:40 AM  
There's no way this will be held in Qatar.  At some point saner heads will prevail and they'll give it to the US.  It's just a matter of how long it takes for the head heads to sanify.
 
2014-01-08 11:12:56 AM  

lacrossestar83: van1ty: The NHL says, "What's the problem with interrupting league play to host an international tournament?"

The MLS says "this."


How many MLS players are actually involved in the World Cup?
 
2014-01-08 11:13:50 AM  

Cajnik: rugman11: Still, give it to the US.

And this is where most of the butthurt from Qatar comes from.

The draw is long over. Provide more suitcases of cash Better luck next time.


Most of the "butthurt" comes from the reality of the situation, not sour grapes. Believe it or not the USA is not the only developed country in the world that knows the Qatar WC was a horrible choice.
 
2014-01-08 11:23:34 AM  

Gosling: vonmatrices: While I consider Qatar a silly choice for hosting the World Cup, I don't see the point in holding fast to the summer timetable of the event.

Qatar's World Cup is in 2022.

Are you telling me that domestic leagues can't plan for an autumn or winter World Cup 8 years in advance?

I don't know. Are you telling me that MLB can't plan to have the World Series in mid-December? That's basically what you're asking.


No, what I'm asking is that if you gave the MLB 8 years to plan for a World Series in mid-December that they may find a way to accommodate it?  Maybe they'd decide to move it to a neutral location in a warmer climate?  A couple years ago in 2008 when a World Series game was rained out, they accommodated the unusual occurrence by finishing the game a few days later.

I don't think Qatar is right for a World Cup.  I understand that their leagues are timed in such a way that the summer is their offseason.  But if Summer is the only time to hold a World Cup. would that also adversely affect other nations OTHER than Qatar from hosting a World Cup, and is that what we want to do?

Other club competitions at Domestic and Regional levels are held during the year, and International Friendlies and World Cup qualifications occur during the year.

The real complaint, and probably more valid, is that Qatar probably shouldn't have the World Cup in the first place.
 
2014-01-08 11:26:12 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: lacrossestar83: van1ty: The NHL says, "What's the problem with interrupting league play to host an international tournament?"

The MLS says "this."

How many MLS players are actually involved in the World Cup?


According to Wikipedia, 32.
 
2014-01-08 11:28:43 AM  

dwade: Why is this in the sports tab? Fark clearly needs a flop acting tab for soccer stories.


So no one saw this beautiful combination of username and post?
 
2014-01-08 11:34:20 AM  

Rev.K: F*ck Qatar.

Here's an idea, let's do the sensible thing and award the 2022 World Cup to the United States, which is what should have happened in the first place.


Oh, I still believe that's going to happen. The good and bad news is that the US simply doesn't need a lot of lead time to host a Summer World Cup.

We've got the stadia, the transportation infrastructure, and the hospitality infrastructure already in place. 90 days warning, so concessions and restaurant supplies could be ordered and staffing issues could be smoothed out, and we're golden.
 
2014-01-08 11:37:40 AM  

rugman11: Yanks_RSJ: lacrossestar83: van1ty: The NHL says, "What's the problem with interrupting league play to host an international tournament?"

The MLS says "this."

How many MLS players are actually involved in the World Cup?

According to Wikipedia, 32.


So, roughly 1/4 of what the Premier League sends.  And MLS doesn't even break for the entire World Cup, just two weeks during the group stage.
 
2014-01-08 11:41:28 AM  

Cajnik: vonmatrices: Are you telling me that domestic leagues can't plan for an autumn or winter World Cup 8 years in advance?

I agree. The only real issue is with the English FA. Most other (sane) FAs around Europe schedule a Christmas break. Some are shorter than others.

Come on, your club loses a guy for a few weeks mid-season. You'll have plenty of time to make up points.


Just ask the Packers
 
2014-01-08 11:46:04 AM  

TheManofPA: dwade: Why is this in the sports tab? Fark clearly needs a flop acting tab for soccer stories.

So no one saw this beautiful combination of username and post?


Winner
 
2014-01-08 11:48:27 AM  
Holy shiat, summer in that part of the ME, sports event, beer, and soccer fans?

EPIC.

This World Cup might start a war.
 
2014-01-08 12:01:18 PM  

LineNoise: greatest moment in hockey, and one of the greatest in sports, the miracle on ice.


considered by Americans...
 
2014-01-08 12:01:47 PM  

TheYeti: Holy shiat, summer in that part of the ME, sports event, beer, and soccer fans?

EPIC.

This World Cup might start a war.


Cross out beer. They are basically a dry country unless  you are an elite. And even then you won't be drinking beer like common filth.

I'm sure Anheuser Busch is VERY happy for all that money they spend on being a major World Cup sponsor and they may not be able to sell their watered down swill during the Cup.

More important, sober English fans?
 
2014-01-08 12:16:26 PM  

eagles95: More important, sober English fans?


Germans.

Sober Germans, filled with patriotic ferver for the Fatherland.

This is the textbook definition of "Someone didn't think their cunning plan all the way through".
 
2014-01-08 12:20:49 PM  

eagles95: TheYeti: Holy shiat, summer in that part of the ME, sports event, beer, and soccer fans?

EPIC.

This World Cup might start a war.

Cross out beer. They are basically a dry country unless  you are an elite. And even then you won't be drinking beer like common filth.

I'm sure Anheuser Busch is VERY happy for all that money they spend on being a major World Cup sponsor and they may not be able to sell their watered down swill during the Cup.

More important, sober English fans?


Not a problem.  Considering Victorian imperialism, shooting the English team and fans is just going to happen straight off the bat.  They always say they are just coming for a visit, and then BAM! colonial administration.
 
2014-01-08 12:27:01 PM  

Gonz: eagles95: More important, sober English fans?

Germans.

Sober Germans, filled with patriotic ferver for the Fatherland.

This is the textbook definition of "Someone didn't think their cunning plan all the way through".


Lets not forget about women are forbidden from showing their "world cups"

no more uraguay girl!
 
2014-01-08 12:27:50 PM  

eagles95: no more uraguay girl!


I think you mean Paraguay.
 
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